Homework in Pre-school ?!?!

[Sequoia]

Not in all cases.

Yes, WG, in all cases. Short of a child being locked in a closet from birth. I can guarentee you that they will hear something more than once, see something more than once, do something more than once. It's a reality of life on this blue ball.

And just because you think like wise does not mean that everyone in the world has had that experience. You can say that your view is the influence of the understanding of the world, but you have to acknowledge other opinions, because they aren't yours.

:eyebrow:

I do acknowledge other sources. How the heck do you think I learned anything? From books, people, teachers, experience, and a wide variety of other things. I was not born knowing everything in the universe. I'm afraid the rest of us just aren't that lucky, WG.

[WiccanGoddess]

Yes, WG, in all cases. Short of a child being locked in a closet from birth. I can guarentee you that they will hear something more than once, see something more than once, do something more than once. It's a reality of life on this blue ball.

Not in all. Exceptions exist, but I really don't think I need to point that out. The majority does not equate to all.




I do acknowledge other sources. How the heck do you think I learned anything? From books, people, teachers, experience, and a wide variety of other things. I was not born knowing everything in the universe. I'm afraid the rest of us just aren't that lucky, WG.
It was never about knowing every damned fucking thing. It was about acknowledging that, if one side can be held by experience, than you can damned well bet the other side can be held by experience. It's not a one way street, and that's the path that's being tread. You've researched some, but not all. Same here, which is why I cannot say it's for sure a bad thing, whereas, you, same amount of research, in extent, keep saying it's a bad thing, when you have only some and not all. You learned on your sources, I learned on mine. Why does one view rise higher than the rest? Why is one experience accepted and the other not? Same boat, the river flowing upstream and downstream.

[LacyRoze]

Why is this still being argued over? If you don't believe in pre-school then don't send your kids. If you believe in pre-school then send them. To continue to fight about this is ridiculous...

[Sequoia]

Not in all. Exceptions exist, but I really don't think I need to point that out. The majority does not equate to all.

Vast majority. Again, short of a child being kept in a box it's entire life, it will experience some repetition of some sort. Even the child in the box will experience the repetition of their own breath, their own heartbeat, the sensation of the box. You simply cannot argue that there are children who are completely deprived of sensation.

It was never about knowing every damned huging thing.

Whoah, calm down. No need to use the F-word.

It was about acknowledging that, if one side can be held by experience, than you can damned well bet the other side can be held by experience. It's not a one way street, and that's the path that's being tread. You've researched some, but not all. Same here, which is why I cannot say it's for sure a bad thing, whereas, you, same amount of research, in extent, keep saying it's a bad thing, when you have only some and not all. You learned on your sources, I learned on mine. Why does one view rise higher than the rest? Why is one experience accepted and the other not? Same boat, the river flowing upstream and downstream.

Now you're getting all philosophical on the subject. Some people hold to the school of thought that any claim, no matter how preposturous, is true and valid. Others tend to need a bit more evidence. Still others need strong evidence, majority evidence.

When someone has done more research, it is reasonable to assume that they have seen more information. That is only a logical conclusion.

When someone has lived longer, they usually (not always, but usually) have seen more things, more events, more ideas, than someone younger. Some people see things at different rates. But in general, those who are older have a different take than you because they have seen more than you. "You" being ambiguous, not you specifically.

I consider myself to be heavily supported by the vast majority of firm, unbiased research these days, as well as parental accounts, teacher's accounts, and even general ancedotal knowledge about children.

One type of evidence alone is not necessarily able to support an argument, but multiple types of evidence lend to a much clearer picture.

[Lunacie]

Sources of acceptability? Personal sources. Experience. I see on fact in this situation, as there are two sides to it. A theory for and a theory against. Theories that are always changing.

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Oh please, I shared my own experiences, and you dismissed them as not being as recent as your experiences. I mentioned my experiences with my grandchildren and Pre-K as being more recent than your own and you dismissed me again.

[WiccanGoddess]

Oh please, I shared my own experiences, and you dismissed them as not being as recent as your experiences. I mentioned my experiences with my grandchildren and Pre-K as being more recent than your own and you dismissed me again.

I didn't dismiss them. We talked about them, for quite some time. But how are your experiences more recent if they occured in the past?

[Sequoia]

Oh please, I shared my own experiences, and you dismissed them as not being as recent as your experiences. I mentioned my experiences with my grandchildren and Pre-K as being more recent than your own and you dismissed me again.

Yeah...I saw that. Hell, the experiences of a childhood education professional weren't enough either.

[Sequoia]

I didn't dismiss them. We talked about them, for quite some time. But how are your experiences more recent if they occured in the past?

Erm, that would be because her current grandchildren are a bit more recent than your own toddlerhood. Unless you're suggesting you're not as old as you say you are?

[WiccanGoddess]

Vast majority. Again, short of a child being kept in a box it's entire life, it will experience some repetition of some sort. Even the child in the box will experience the repetition of their own breath, their own heartbeat, the sensation of the box. You simply cannot argue that there are children who are completely deprived of sensation.

You can easily argue that it is only the vast majority. Key word missing: All.



Whoah, calm down. No need to use the F-word.

Plenty of reason.



Now you're getting all philosophical on the subject. Some people hold to the school of thought that any claim, no matter how preposturous, is true and valid. Others tend to need a bit more evidence. Still others need strong evidence, majority evidence.

Yes, see, the issue is that there are two sides, and both sides have theoretical evidence, both sides have experiences. One may negate the other, but what makes on further from the other?


When someone has done more research, it is reasonable to assume that they have seen more information. That is only a logical conclusion.

That is your conclusion. Not mine. My conclusion is based upon the most recent research, the amount meaning nothinger.

[qoute]
When someone has lived longer, they usually (not always, but usually) have seen more things, more events, more ideas, than someone younger. Some people see things at different rates. But in general, those who are older have a different take than you because they have seen more than you. "You" being ambiguous, not you specifically.[/quote]

Usually does not equate in general. But, that said, the age shouldn't make a difference, but the experience, and, sometimes experiences of the past mean shit to the present day.


I consider myself to be heavily supported by the vast majority of firm, unbiased research these days, as well as parental accounts, teacher's accounts, and even general ancedotal knowledge about children.

And I consider myself the same. Parental accounts, teacher accounts, research in psychology books...same boat, no one experience overtopping the next.


One type of evidence alone is not necessarily able to support an argument, but multiple types of evidence lend to a much clearer picture.

In some cases, this is true. In others, the evidence will vary upon location and person.

[covenofkeys]

:rant:

[WiccanGoddess]

Erm, that would be because her current grandchildren are a bit more recent than your own toddlerhood. Unless you're suggesting you're not as old as you say you are?

We're talking current children. That's the topic of this thread. Or at least that's what I interpreted it ask. Current experiences with preschool. IMO, it matters more on how close oneself is to the experience, not the family or friends. That said, mine would be more recent. It depends on how the question is stated.

[WiccanGoddess]

:rant:

What's up, Coven?

[Lunacie]

We're talking current children. That's the topic of this thread. Or at least that's what I interpreted it ask. Current experiences with preschool. IMO, it matters more on how close oneself is to the experience, not the family or friends. That said, mine would be more recent. It depends on how the question is stated.

I have been helping to raise my grandchildren for the last 8 years. The oldest is now in 3rd grade and she went to Pre-K and to Kindergarten. The youngest is in Pre-K this year. Is that current enough?

Do you want to ask them any questions about homework, since the fact that I'm the the person who is home when they get off the school bus and goes over their homework and notes from their teachers doesn't seem to mean jack?

[Sequoia]

We're talking current children. That's the topic of this thread. Or at least that's what I interpreted it ask. Current experiences with preschool. IMO, it matters more on how close oneself is to the experience, not the family or friends. That said, mine would be more recent. It depends on how the question is stated.

Grandchildren are children, WG.

Oh- I'm sorry. You meant to say that your opinion is the most valid because you're the youngest, and therefore most closely related to preschool?

:lol:

I should be an expert on archetecture, then, considering I'm in a building right now.

Okay, who wants to be in the office building skyscraper I just designed? Anyone? Anyone?

[covenofkeys]

re-whats up-NIGHTSHADE....Hell, every time i come in here people are at eachother!! i really cant be arsed to listen to it...going to go view a non-childish thread!{no pun intended!}

[WiccanGoddess]

Grandchildren are children, WG.

I thought we were on either one's own children, or oneself.


Oh- I'm sorry. You meant to say that your opinion is the most valid because you're the youngest, and therefore most closely related to preschool?


If we're talking oneself, then it's one of the only presented in validity.


I should be an expert on archetecture, then, considering I'm in a building right now.

Okay, who wants to be in the office building skyscraper I just designed? Anyone? Anyone?

The sarcasm...it doesn't suit, especially if you don't read my posts fully.

[WiccanGoddess]

I have been helping to raise my grandchildren for the last 8 years. The oldest is now in 3rd grade and she went to Pre-K and to Kindergarten. The youngest is in Pre-K this year. Is that current enough?

It depends on the subject matter. Is the question about current children, current grandchildren, one's own children, or one's own experiences?


Do you want to ask them any questions about homework, since the fact that I'm the the person who is home when they get off the school bus and goes over their homework and notes from their teachers doesn't seem to mean jack?

I never said it meant jack, but that, in validity on the type of currency we're looking for, is unfounded.

[WiccanGoddess]

Sorry, but I have a Biology class to attend. (If she decides to keep it, considering the parade is tonight, homecoming. That said, I'm going to ask her her views, as she has two children, one who went through preschool and one who didn't.)

[moonbride]

I thought we were on either one's own children, or oneself.



Where did you get that?? The subject is "Homework in Preschool". What difference does it make whose children we're talking about?? First you say that experience is what counts and when person after person after person gives you their experience... you act like that doesn't count. Ugh!

[WiccanGoddess]

Where did you get that?? The subject is "Homework in Preschool". What difference does it make whose children we're talking about?? First you say that experience is what counts and when person after person after person gives you their experience... you act like that doesn't count. Ugh!

From the first thread, from the topic. It was never truly clarified, but as I interpreted it, the topic strayed best when straying towards oneself or one's own children. What difference does it make? The closer the experience, IMO, the clearer the reliability. (Notice I didn't say validity. For good reason, too.) Experience counts, but if the subject matter is currency, then something of the past is going to show no effect of validity.

[moonbride]

From the first thread, from the topic. It was never truly clarified, but as I interpreted it, the topic strayed best when straying towards oneself or one's own children. What difference does it make? The closer the experience, IMO, the clearer the reliability. (Notice I didn't say validity. For good reason, too.) Experience counts, but if the subject matter is currency, then something of the past is going to show no effect of validity.

Oh I get it then... we just make up the rules as we go along. Gotcha!

[covenofkeys]

_taparoo_:fpcsucks:woah::awilly:_wedgie_:fpoke::uzi::wah2::wah::nyah::goodgrief

[Lunacie]

It depends on the subject matter. Is the question about current children, current grandchildren, one's own children, or one's own experiences?

The question was about homework in pre-school.

We're talking about our experiences as children.
We're talking about our experiences as parents.
We're talking about our experiences as grandparents.
We're talking about our experiences as teachers.

You seem to have some different experiences than I've had. Neither should invalidate the other's opinion based on experience. Seems like we should be able to share our experiences and have a discussion without this turning into a debate on whose experiences are more valid because they're more recent.



I never said it meant jack, but that, in validity on the type of currency we're looking for, is unfounded.

I have no idea what that means, but so far when you've told us what you think is valid in terms of this issue and we respond to that, you tell us that we're still not presenting either a valid perspective or that we cannot make a general sweeping blanket statement that covers all children of a pre-school age in any and every situation.

I do think it's possible to make some generalizations, like Athena-Nadine's point about it being a natural part of the child's learning process to repeat things. Don't even ask me about the TellyTubby videos. :lol:

Generalizations are based on percentages, not on all children or all experiences or all of anything.

[Sequoia]

I thought we were on either one's own children, or oneself.

Nobody ever said that, except you.

If we're talking oneself, then it's one of the only presented in validity.

You mean, "I made the rules to make myself the only correct voice." :lol: So if a sixteen year old came in with a different viewpoint, how would their view be invalidated?

The sarcasm...it doesn't suit, especially if you don't read my posts fully.

It wasn't sarcasm. By your logic, anyone who has experienced something is an expert in it.

Sarcasm would be, "Oh WG, you're so smart because you're younger than all of us and therefore know what being childish is like sooo much better."

That's sarcasm.

[Lunacie]

Sarcasm was being told
Okay then.
If you say so.
When I mentioned that I do have more recent (albeit second-hand) experience because of my grandchildren.

[Sequoia]

Sarcasm was being told

When I mentioned that I do have more recent (albeit second-hand) experience because of my grandchildren.

Yup, yup.

[moonbride]

Sarcasm was being told

When I mentioned that I do have more recent (albeit second-hand) experience because of my grandchildren.

Amen to that!
I think it's pretty ballsy for your experience to be dismissed here when it seems that you have more experience than anyone here... PAST and PRESENT!

[Lunacie]

Amen to that!
I think it's pretty ballsy for your experience to be dismissed here when it seems that you have more experience than anyone here... PAST and PRESENT!

Thank you, but I don't think I hold a "trump card". For instance, SerenityMoon went to school as a child, has children of her own, and teaches pre-school children now. I don't remember the original poster saying that only parents of pre-school children could discuss this issue or that only people who have been students within the last few years could discuss it either. In fact, here's what the OP (Zoritsa) actually wrote (added emphasis mine):

What do you all think of pre-schooler's having homework?

[moonbride]

Thank you, but I don't think I hold a "trump card". For instance, SerenityMoon went to school as a child, has children of her own, and teaches pre-school children now. I don't remember the original poster saying that only parents of pre-school children could discuss this issue or that only people who have been students within the last few years could discuss it either. In fact, here's what the OP (Zoritsa) actually wrote (added emphasis mine):

Yikes... I didn't think ahead very much when I posted that. I certainly didn't mean to negate SM's experience as a teacher for sure! She most definitely counts. I guess what I was going by was when WG first states that experience is what counts and when you list all your years of experience both with children and grandchildren... past and present... that gives you a lot of years on a lot of us with children.

Yes I never thought for one moment that the discussion was to be narrowed down by any certain group of people. That's just what seems to happen in these threads sometimes when someone comes in making up "rules" and such.

[covenofkeys]

Mmmm..........okay.....#shrugs# {not really knowing whats going on now}

and the penny drops! aha!

[Lunacie]

Yikes... I didn't think ahead very much when I posted that. I certainly didn't mean to negate SM's experience as a teacher for sure! She most definitely counts. I guess what I was going by was when WG first states that experience is what counts and when you list all your years of experience both with children and grandchildren... past and present... that gives you a lot of years on a lot of us with children.

Yep, I'm getting pretty old here...lots and lots and lots of experience. :lol:

Yes I never thought for one moment that the discussion was to be narrowed down by any certain group of people. That's just what seems to happen in these threads sometimes when someone comes in making up "rules" and such.

Sad when that happens, eh? A perfectly good, and interesting, discussion can get so sidetracked that it's about impossible to get back to the original topic. http://mysticwicks.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[SerenityMoon]

Lunacie, Sequoia, Athena-Nadine, Moonbride:

Awesome points, great posts, etc.

Athena-Nadine, you were RIGHT on the money with your facts about repetition and children. Lunacie, I fail to see how your experiences and such are worthless in this debate. That's ludricous. I agree with just about everything you said.

(And while I do teach preschool, I don't have biological children. XD My bad, if I gave you that impression by saying "my children", it's becuase I'm referring to my students. I consider them my children, as I am a parent, disciplinarian, teacher, and nurterer to them.) But thank you for validating my experiences as something more than what certain people are making them out to be.

WiccanGoddess...*shakes head* It seems you won't be pleased until you find someone whose personal experiences exactly mirror yours, which is a virtually impossible feat, since your personal experiences are always the complete opposite of what EVERYBODY else says/has experienced.

Either way, I've said my pieces, and I can't say much more without constantly repeating myself. And since I KNOW how much you HATE repetition, WG, I'm pretty much done with this thread.

[WiccanGoddess]

WiccanGoddess...*shakes head* It seems you won't be pleased until you find someone whose personal experiences exactly mirror yours, which is a virtually impossible feat, since your personal experiences are always the complete opposite of what EVERYBODY else says/has experienced.

Not always. In fact, Minevera Mind and Xander and I came to an agreement upon something the other day. That said, it's not about finding an experience that matches mine, it's about finding one that equates to the subject matter, and, as I read it, it was about currency and recent events. I see some complaining, as to if I just made up rules...well? What about the cases you continue to point out? Making up, same boat. That said, it's not about one sidedness. It's about formality and equation. One plus one equals two. Two to tango. So on and so forth. It's not about one topping the next, but as it has been, it seems that one does top the next, and it's quite discouraging to see that in adults. An adult should no better than to "I top you!". An adult should know to, "Oh, okay. That's how you see it. So be it." That said, this thread...can go to Hecate for all I care. It became worthless when insigificants entered in.

[Lunacie]

WG, who are these "insignificants"?

Am I an "insignificant"?

What makes a poster an "insignificant" in your opinion?

Did you feel like you were loosing an argument so you had to resort to name calling?

[SerenityMoon]

Not always. In fact, Minevera Mind and Xander and I came to an agreement upon something the other day. That said, it's not about finding an experience that matches mine, it's about finding one that equates to the subject matter, and, as I read it, it was about currency and recent events. I see some complaining, as to if I just made up rules...well? What about the cases you continue to point out? Making up, same boat. That said, it's not about one sidedness. It's about formality and equation. One plus one equals two. Two to tango. So on and so forth. It's not about one topping the next, but as it has been, it seems that one does top the next, and it's quite discouraging to see that in adults. An adult should no better than to "I top you!". An adult should know to, "Oh, okay. That's how you see it. So be it." That said, this thread...can go to Hecate for all I care. It became worthless when insigificants entered in.

Aah, Tolerance. LMFAO.

K thx, bai now.

[LacyRoze]

Just who is insignificant? Teachers of pre-schoolers, mothers with children in preK, grandmothers with grandchildren currently in preK? Those who don't agree with you? Those who feel their experiences in dealing with pre-school counts for something? Come on. That was a cheap shot..

[WiccanGoddess]

Just who is insignificant? Teachers of pre-schoolers, mothers with children in preK, grandmothers with grandchildren currently in preK? Those who don't agree with you? Those who feel their experiences in dealing with pre-school counts for something? Come on. That was a cheap shot..


Those opinions that their one experience puts to everyone and everything. That's insignificant, and quite arrogant. I don't care how many times you've seen it, just because it occurs with you doesn't mean it's the same with everyone, nor does it mean it should be.

[WiccanGoddess]

WG, who are these "insignificants"?

Am I an "insignificant"?

What makes a poster an "insignificant" in your opinion?

Did you feel like you were loosing an argument so you had to resort to name calling?

I was referring to the posts and words, not the posters. I never called anyone a name, but the thought that one overtakes all, which is purely insignificant. Insignificants, as I worded it, was mere terms of the thought, not a person.

[SerenityMoon]

Those opinions that their one experience puts to everyone and everything. That's insignificant, and quite arrogant. I don't care how many times you've seen it, just because it occurs with you doesn't mean it's the same with everyone, nor does it mean it should be.

Must remember that WG doesn't like repetition, must remember that WG doesn't like repetition, must...

ah, screw it.

Nobody. Ever. Said. Our. Experiences. Applied. To. Every. Person. On. The. Planet.

[moonbride]

WG, who are these "insignificants"?
Am I an "insignificant"?
What makes a poster an "insignificant" in your opinion?
Did you feel like you were loosing an argument so you had to resort to name calling?

Just who is insignificant? Teachers of pre-schoolers, mothers with children in preK, grandmothers with grandchildren currently in preK? Those who don't agree with you? Those who feel their experiences in dealing with pre-school counts for something? Come on. That was a cheap shot..

Evidently all of us are. :goodgrief

[WiccanGoddess]

Must remember that WG doesn't like repetition, must remember that WG doesn't like repetition, must...

ah, screw it.

Nobody. Ever. Said. Our. Experiences. Applied. To. Every. Person. On. The. Planet.

Ah, so what about those posts that adhere to, "This is how it should be." "I saw this, and this is how it is." And what about, "It's like this everywhere." or "All occurances/research...blah blah blah are like this..."

Pretty much inferred in the words, plain as day.

[SwordsFlameSong]

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[SerenityMoon]

Pretty much inferred in the words, plain as day.

How you imply my words is not my problem, quite frankly.

Aaaannyway...I said I was done, so I'm done. I've got a crapload of progress reports to do, lesson plans to finish, activities to plan, and sleep to soon get.

[CassiaMoon]

^Damn...Did I miss something? I shoulda read the whole thread.
Well my son is in pre-k and hes not had any homework to bring home, just a bunch of stuff to bring there, like pooling snacks for the class. A 1.50 every friday so they can have a special lunch from like mcdonalds and what not. And I am really happy with the place because he loves it and hes proud of his schoolwork and has made a bunch of friends. At four he can outdraw any adult I know, he's really artistically inclined, and his teachers really support it. Personally, I think they shouldnt give any preschooler homework. They get it soon enough in Kindergarden. My daughter has a weeklong assignment, plus a bookreading quota for the month. I dont remember even getting homework until I was in first grade, but then that was a LONG while ago.

[Hellenic_Witch]

Those opinions that their one experience puts to everyone and everything. That's insignificant, and quite arrogant. I don't care how many times you've seen it, just because it occurs with you doesn't mean it's the same with everyone, nor does it mean it should be.

You should take your own advice. Because in almost every thread you post in on this site, you always shut people out, refusing to accept their point of view because of what you experienced or because you ALWAYS have a "Friend", "Parent", "Teacher", etc who have told you otherwise. Thread doesn't go your way? Suddenly you say your going to call your doctor and ask. Or call you elementary school and ask. Or talk to someone else and ask.

Pot. Meet Kettle.

[Hellenic_Witch]

OK, sorry that was personal and I wrote it before I readthe admin mode. But, this conversation is getting out of hand.

Pre-K is an optional neccessity for those parents who do not educate their younger children and will hopefully prepare their children for school.

But it is not mandatory,and if parents are willing and committed and areinvested in their child's learning, they will also flourish.

It all boils down to the parents.

Pre-K or not,it boils down to the parents.

[moonbride]

Well then my experience boils down to this (and is in NO way insignificant no matter how it's interpreted by some individuals).....
Preschool was a wonderful experience for my children that went. The homework was not a big issue at all as it was only 10 or 15 minutes out of their day and it wasn't even every single day. It was something my kids enjoyed. They looked forward to that time after school to sit down and show me what they learned and share their homework with me. Repetition is how small children (even big children and adults) learn and a little structure early in life certainly can't be considered a bad thing. If I had it to do all over again, I would in a heartbeat.

[WiccanGoddess]

You should take your own advice. Because in almost every thread you post in on this site, you always shut people out, refusing to accept their point of view because of what you experienced or because you ALWAYS have a "Friend", "Parent", "Teacher", etc who have told you otherwise. Thread doesn't go your way? Suddenly you say your going to call your doctor and ask. Or call you elementary school and ask. Or talk to someone else and ask.

I do have friends and parents with experiences that relate to the debate. I live in a diverse society, and it helps in these matters. Don't believe it? Fine. But don't knock what you cannot know. I only shut those out who put their opinions as top and only. It's ignorant, childish, and foolish, quite the opposite of how I would think an adult would appeal. That said, the reason behind the diversity use? Backup. Proof. Maybe not written in pen and ink, but at least I know I attempted. Can't say the same for others, who just go on their experiences, not asking around, sticking to themselves.


Pot. Meet Kettle.

Oh, yeah. Maturity, that's another thing that's lagging. "Pot, Meet Kettle"? Seriously? The last time I heard that was when I was 10.

And, yes, I saw the admin mode.

[moonbride]

I do have friends and parents with experiences that relate to the debate. I live in a diverse society, and it helps in these matters. Don't believe it? Fine. But don't knock what you cannot know. I only shut those out who put their opinions as top and only. It's ignorant, childish, and foolish, quite the opposite of how I would think an adult would appeal. That said, the reason behind the diversity use? Backup. Proof. Maybe not written in pen and ink, but at least I know I attempted. Can't say the same for others, who just go on their experiences, not asking around, sticking to themselves.


This is what I don't get here. Who in the hell demanded any kind of proof at all but you, WG?? The original poster, who created the topic of this thread said... and I quote:

What do you all think of pre-schooler's having homework?

And that's what we've done.... was give our thoughts. I don't recall anyone here saying that their experience was at the top of anything. That was YOUR interpretation. All we did was discuss our experiences to then have them all called insignificant. And now it's all ignorant, childish and foolish?? It's a discussion... we discussed. I'm not sure what the problem is here.

[Xentor]

Oh, yeah. Maturity, that's another thing that's lagging. "Pot, Meet Kettle"? Seriously? The last time I heard that was when I was 10. Rule 1 of 1: Respect your fellow community members.

That means for instance: discuss issues, not each other. No flaming, name calling, etc. You will be banned for abusing this rule.
And, yes, I saw the admin mode.

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[Kaylara]

*admin mode*

Everyone else, back on topic. :)

[moonbride]

Just so everyone knows... I'm in total agreement with the fact that preschool and/or preschool homework isn't for everyone's children. I could never assume that it would be. It just happened to work out that it was a very positive thing for my family, especially for the child with ADHD. It certainly helped that the preschool we had here at the time had some very exceptional teachers working for them as well.

[Philosophia]

I haven't had any children, I'm not around children, I don't have any skills, my knowledge of child psychology is limited, and I only have a couple of friends that work with children, so my opinion may totally be way off base but here it is:

Neither I or my siblings went to pre-school, but I know a lot of people who did. I seriously believe it is up to the parents to decide what is best for the child. If they feel the child is more suitable for pre-school, then so be it. However, the environment that the child is raised in has a large factor in that decision. If both parents work or the home life isn't productive for educational purposes, then it is probably beneficial for that child to be in pre-school. I'm not saying its the best because every child is different, but the environment plays an important part in the decision of whether pre-school should be chosen.

One thing I did miss out on was on socializational skills because I wasn't introduced to children my own age until I was 5 years old. Most of the students in my year one class knew each other from pre-school. However, when I was growing up, I didn't have trouble with discipline because my parents installed that in me when I was a child. Some children, who had attended pre-school, were disciplinary problems.

In my uneducated opinion, pre-school homework shouldn't be compulsary. It should be based on what a child needs, i.e. in a creative, stimulating way that encourages them to learn, but it shouldn't be made complusary or it can cause the child to hate it. Repitition is needed but it should be done in a way the child would feel stimulated by doing so.

I also believe that the parents should have a strong influence in the childs education and, through homework, a more solid relationship can be formed.
I did learn to read and write when I was very young (as I explained in an earlier post) but that is just me. My brother didn't properly learn until he started primary school. I loved having homework because it gave my mind the chance to fully learn and develop the skills I had learnt during the day. My brother hated it because, to him, it stifled his imagination and "fun".

Anyway, this is just my opinion and somewhat vain attempt to bring this topic back. :)

[LacyRoze]

Some children need pre-school and others don't. If parents are taking the time to teach their child what they need to know to enter kindergarten and the child has plenty of children his/her age to interact with then I would say the child may do just fine skipping pre-school. On the other hand, if the child is being taught nothing at home and there are no children his/her age around to interact with then I think pre-school would be a big plus..

Each child is different as is each home situation. Only the parents and the child can decide what is best in their particular situation. There's no one right way. It's a personal choice...

[Lunacie]

Yes, I have even insisted on my ADD granddaughter doing homework when the teacher didn't send any home with her... just to keep the routine going, just so that we would have that little bit of time when we connected and I had some idea of what she had been doing in school all day.

The teacher this year says if they can get their work done during school they don't have to bring anything home with them to work on, so I've gone with the flow this year. But this week!!! She had some homework on Tuesday and forgot to put it into her folder to go into her backpack. I said, "Too bad, you'll have to get it done during recess tomorrow, eh?" She got most of it done, just needed to bring one page home to work on ... and forgot to bring it home again. Because she was out of that routine and with the ADD she simply couldn't remember. For ADD kids, that routine can be a blessing.

eta: the one with ADD is in the third grade this year.



Her little sister has brought home a page to work on with us ONE TIME in the two months she's been going to Pre-K. Not something I see as worth getting upset over and telling her that her teacher is a bad person and poisoning that teacher-student relationship.

[moonbride]

The teacher this year says if they can get their work done during school they don't have to bring anything home with them to work on, so I've gone with the flow this year. But this week!!! She had some homework on Tuesday and forgot to put it into her folder to go into her backpack. I said, "Too bad, you'll have to get it done during recess tomorrow, eh?" She got most of it done, just needed to bring one page home to work on ... and forgot to bring it home again. Because she was out of that routine and with the ADD she simply couldn't remember. For ADD kids, that routine can be a blessing.


Boy I remember those days! Routine with ADHD/ADD kids is just the biggest key to keeping your sanity AND the child's. One day out of whack and it could sometimes snowball into a few more before they could get back on track. With ours being caught so early, him going to preschool and starting the whole daily routine thing helped out SO much.

What was hard for the first few years was getting back into the routine after summer vacations. Sometimes would take a couple weeks for things to really sink in.

[Lunacie]

I thought it was going to be a good deal for her to have the chance to get her work finished at school. She is very bright and tends to get bored and lose focus, and I'm sure she wanted to get it done so she wouldn't have to do it at home. But she was so upset when she realized she had forgotten to bring the pages home with her this week.

I remembered the reaction when I didn't/couldn't remember things and I don't want her to feel like I did (and still do sometimes). So I was very calm about telling her that she could simply do it at school tomorrow. And then I asked her what she thought she could do next time to help her remember to bring the pages home? She thought maybe a sticky note... but I guess she forgot to do that the next afternoon.

Anyway, that's quite a ways down the road from Pre-K homework, but I think if the parent has a positive attitude about homework the child isn't so likely to forget to bring it home. If they know they are going to do their homework at the same time every day, and that the parent is involved even if that just means reminding them that it's time to do their homework, then homework may not be looked on as a "chore" or a necessary evil.

But if the parent complains because the child wasn't able to get the homework finished in school and that disrupts their plans for the hours between school and going to bed, then the child is going to get a bad attitude about homework. And when the parent complains about the teacher sending home too much homework, the child is going to look at the teacher as someone to dread instead of someone to enjoy working with and learning from.

One year my daughter had a teacher with a bad attitude and they simply didn't get along with each other at all. I encouraged her to focus on the things she was learning rather than the relationship with her teacher, and reminded her that if she did her work well she would get a new teacher in a few months, but if she got too hung up on hating her teacher she might be held back and have to spend another school year with the "icky" teacher. ;)

[Sequoia]

Routine can even be important for kids who don't have ADD - structure and patterns are very reassuring things, providing consistancy and an idea of what they can expect.

Preschool isn't necessary for all kids, no... but I don't think that those who encourage homework should be demonized as "forcing" their children to do things. I mean-- there are things that parents actually force their kids to do - bathe, go to bed, mind - :lol:

[moonbride]

Routine can even be important for kids who don't have ADD - structure and patterns are very reassuring things, providing consistancy and an idea of what they can expect.

Preschool isn't necessary for all kids, no... but I don't think that those who encourage homework should be demonized as "forcing" their children to do things. I mean-- there are things that parents actually force their kids to do - bathe, go to bed, mind - :lol:

Oh definitely... it helped with my other children who don't have it. I guess I just keep mentioning the one who did because that's the case that really sticks out in my mind as the most beneficial in my experience. He really did have some exceptional teachers and that makes all the difference in the world I think.

Hehe... yeah my kids have been waaaay more ticked off about being made to clean their rooms or come in the house from playing outside than any form of homework. That's for sure!

[Sequoia]

Oh definitely... it helped with my other children who don't have it. I guess I just keep mentioning the one who did because that's the case that really sticks out in my mind as the most beneficial in my experience. He really did have some exceptional teachers and that makes all the difference in the world I think.

Hehe... yeah my kids have been waaaay more ticked off about being made to clean their rooms or come in the house from playing outside than any form of homework. That's for sure!

OH yeah. :lol: Reports? No problem. Picking up my clothes? I gave 'em hell on that. Ahh, childhood...

[Lunacie]

Oh my gosh, you horrible monsters - forcing pre-school children to do things they don't enjoy! Like getting their hair washed! Coming in the house when they're playing with friends outside! Eating veggies! Someone should report you to Social Services!

But it won't be me doing that because I "force" my grandkids to do all of those things, and they throw some pretty big hissy fits over them. :lol:

[moonbride]

Oh my gosh, you horrible monsters - forcing pre-school children to do things they don't enjoy! Like getting their hair washed! Coming in the house when they're playing with friends outside! Eating veggies! Someone should report you to Social Services!

But it won't be me doing that because I "force" my grandkids to do all of those things, and they throw some pretty big hissy fits over them. :lol:

Oooh wait... I've got another one. My one daughter used to REALLY really throw a hissy fit when I made her sit in the booster and/or wear a seatbelt. For some reason she went through a phase where it just really ticked her off like nothing else. I know, I know... *ducks behind a chair* _inabox_

Don't hate me... :nyah:

[SerenityMoon]

Oh my gosh, you horrible monsters - forcing pre-school children to do things they don't enjoy! Like getting their hair washed! Coming in the house when they're playing with friends outside! Eating veggies! Someone should report you to Social Services!

But it won't be me doing that because I "force" my grandkids to do all of those things, and they throw some pretty big hissy fits over them. :lol:


I R TEH EVIL TEACHER BECUASE I FORCE KIDZ TO LEAAARRN!

*gasp* I make them SIT ON THEIR SHAPES ON THE FLOOR. NOES!!1!ONE

XDDDD

[CassiaMoon]

^LOL dont get me wrong...If that is your curriculum, then thats great. Im not judging anyone's teaching style at all. I couldnt be a teacher even if they paid me well above what most of them currently recieve. My niche is training adults and that can, in most ways, be alot more challenging. In fact, let me retract my previous statement that I think homework can wait until kindergarten, because pre kindergarten is all about introductions. If this is the child's absolute first formal introduction into the education system, then by all accounts, it probably would be beneficial from time to time. Just in my house, for us, my daughter brings home homework because she is in k-garten. My son automatically gets involved with it. He learns from it because we all do it together with my daughter. Certainly it doesn't hinder him In any way.

[SerenityMoon]

^LOL dont get me wrong...If that is your curriculum, then thats great. Im not judging anyone's teaching style at all. I couldnt be a teacher even if they paid me well above what most of them currently recieve. My niche is training adults and that can, in most ways, be alot more challenging. In fact, let me retract my previous statement that I think homework can wait until kindergarten, because pre kindergarten is all about introductions. If this is the child's absolute first formal introduction into the education system, then by all accounts, it probably would be beneficial from time to time. Just in my house, for us, my daughter brings home homework because she is in k-garten. My son automatically gets involved with it. He learns from it because we all do it together with my daughter. Certainly it doesn't hinder him In any way.


XD;; I hope you don't think I'm honestly being pissy. I'm just being humorously sarcastic.

You said your point very fairly and nicely. *Nodsnods*

[Lunacie]

XD;; I hope you don't think I'm honestly being pissy. I'm just being humorously sarcastic.

You said your point very fairly and nicely. *Nodsnods*

Yup, very fair and very nice. Thank you CassiaMoon, and SerenityMoon ... sure is a lot of "mooning" going on around here. ;)

Luna(moon)cie

[SilentDreams]

Pre-school it seems to me is "OK". I don't think it's nessecary and I don't think it's harmful to children who don't go.

I didn't go to Pre-school and my intelligence is fine in my opinion. I took a reading test in 9th grade and I was one of about 2 kids(in a 30 or so student class) who was at college level. The majority weren't even at Jr. High standards. And many kids in my HS went to Pre-school, so there you are.

Now as for Homework. I don't think it's horrible. But I think it should be optional. Perhaps when parents come to pick up the children the teacher could have a homework assignment ready for the parents who wanted to do one.

[Lunacie]

Pre-school it seems to me is "OK". I don't think it's nessecary and I don't think it's harmful to children who don't go.

I didn't go to Pre-school and my intelligence is fine in my opinion. I took a reading test in 9th grade and I was one of about 2 kids(in a 30 or so student class) who was at college level. The majority weren't even at Jr. High standards. And many kids in my HS went to Pre-school, so there you are.

Now as for Homework. I don't think it's horrible. But I think it should be optional. Perhaps when parents come to pick up the children the teacher could have a homework assignment ready for the parents who wanted to do one.

When Katlin was in Pre-K I had to drop her off and pick her up. But in this school district they bus the Pre-K and Kindergarten kids, so no chance to talk to the teacher. We rely on a notebook in each child's backpack.

I think when a Pre-K teacher sends home a page for the child to work on with the parent, they are telling us that this is something the child needs a little extra help with, they want the parents to be aware that the child may be struggling with this particular task. But with kids that age it can change overnight. Two weeks ago Nove Mber brought home a page to trace one of the letters and she acted like she didn't understand how to do it, much less was able to control her fine motor skills well enough. But this week there was a page in her end-of-week-folder with a number that she had traced over and over and she had done a great job!

Last week she could not ride a tricycle (and all three of us have worked with her to learn that and she's been watching her sister and wanting to do it), and this week she just got on the dang thing and started riding. There are so many things they are learning at this age, and Pre-K teachers have the training to guide them that we parents (and grands) do not have. I'm really grateful that both of my grandkids had/have the opportunity to go to Pre-K.