Poser pagans who makes the practice look bad to others getting into it!

[lady rain]

I know this kid who stalkes me through out my life. He claims to be a pagan or another rank of witch craft. He knew I was a solitar and wanted my talents, since I have been a witch for 6 years now. He demeaned what I believe in and says he puts spells on people and other stupid meaningless stuff. I am very angrey because people just use the practice to either get attention or to be cool. Sorry thats not what the practice is for in my opinion.
I feel that this practice shouldn't be takened lightly at all. Now you wonder why people see this practice of religion a bad one for all those posers out there who are rebeling against their parents. Stop being fake please, if people only gave this practice a good name none of us in the community would be afriad to speak out to the public or even in public with out soical anxiety.
I just want to voice my opinion because I know two other people who practice different styles of paganism and feel the same way.
I just hope in the future that pagans and witchs alike will be understood, and maybe in years to come we can get off for the 8 speical sabbats we all celebrate all year long. Well please responed to my opinion, voice your own, I would be so happy to hear from you all.
Thank you all,
Lady Rain
P.S. Blessed be

[BlackDragon]

it was a poser who got me in, she dropped it, i kept on, and now i love it and can't see my life without this

[bluecat]

Sometimes it's difficult to tell the posers from the real deal.

Welcome lady rain, pull up one of Kaylara's chair thingys and pour yourself a glass of lemonade.


Blue

[rantnraven]

Welcome Lady Rain. Have a seat and some lemonade and we can talk a while.

Yes, Blue is right. The good are difficult to separate from the bad. I'll bet this kid you speak of dramatically adorns himself with Pagan this and that (jewelry mostly).

This is a rather critical issue that I would like to use to warn people about.

When searching for a mentor/teacher, this particular issue could be dangerous. There are people out there that would seduce another with the prospect of teaching and use it to there own gain. So don't be gullible.

Have you tried talking to this child about The Craft or Paganism in general. Maybe he just doesn't get it yet. Maybe, if he where familiar with the Wiccan Reede and the Three-Fold law, he might tone down a bit.

Anyway, Welcome and we'll see ya around.

RnR

[sandaljunkie]

Like everything in my life "it" comes and goes in cycles - running, traveling, schooling, even "paganism - wicca" (whatever you care to call it) but never the underlying things that are at the roots of all the things i do.

and if i don't celebrate Ostara with a candle - but notice spring and plant my garden and revitalize the earth i use all winter long - do i not give thanks - am i not a child of my mother earth because i do not own an athame?

I am scared to say - yes i am a wiccan - child of this earth - because of these posers. because of this single (just one is all it takes folks) who swears up and down she is a witch - yet does not go outside, plants her gardens in the same spot, does not learn about conservation, does not recycle, etc... yet every holiday lights a candle, and buys lots and lots of wiccan - and pagan books, and walks around saying to everyone "happy beltane!"

This is not as bad as someone wearing all black with lots of jewelry and black lipstick - this is worse. She actually looks credible... but who am i to judge?

and why am i scared to stand in "that" section of the bookstore looking at the titles - because in that section they keep satan's bible.

The bookstore was not my introduction - my mother was, and the woods that taught me to always stay near - in order to stay centered and balanced. And then my sister's books - scott cuningham of course - and then green witchcraft by aoumiel - but please please - dont tell anyone - because they do not understand. because i dont want to be one of them...

the sceance making victorians.. that come in the form of teenagers who are "open minded" rebels..

so these posers have quite a hold on me -
but i continue to dance outside and ride my bike and sleep in her arms everynight and every once in a while when i remember i light a candle.

[rantnraven]

New here?

Anyone can walk around and call themselves a witch or whatever they prefer.

I have made this statement all over this board and I'll make it again on this thread:

Religion is in the Mind but, Sprituallity is of the heart.

I am glad you plant your garden and return things to the Mother. The candle? Never mind that. One does not need to burn candles on Ostara or, any other Sabbat, to be spiritual. The Athame is but a tool but we are no less spiritual if we do not have one.

You path is yours. Walk it as you feel fit.

By the way, welcome to our family,
RnR

[Armitage]

My theory on this: Those who get into it to be cool or to get attention will discover after any amount of reading that it takes some dedication to wanting to better yourself. That requires seeing the bad shit about yourself, which is hard. They will either find an easier way of being 'cool' and getting attention, or they'll become serious.

[Xois]

Well, everyone has a path to walk.

There are nut balls in every "group" even Christian groups (I know my sis is probably one of them *grin*)

We all have lessons to lean (though stalking is always, bad bad bad)

But when I see girls with pink shaved hair, black ripped stocking, combat boots, and a spider web jacket, I giggle to myself. They look at me and see L7 *LOL* I look at them and see myself 10 years ago (wow! I am old LOL)

Now I am just about as square as I can get...

So I don't like to use the word poser becuase wether or not that Poser is giving someone group a bad name, they are learning some lessons that they wouldn't otherwise..

Now maybe that is niave...ok I can accept that :)

A very wise man once said

"it's not the way you wear your hair, it's what's inside you head" -- Henry Rollins

I went into benny's (a department store here in MA) and saw a "super pagan!" who was the check out girl...she had a HUGE (like 2 inch) pentacle choker and a HUGE (like 1 ince) RING...I sort of smiled and asked "are you pagan" she said no Wiccan...I smiled and said "oh, I am pagan" and her response was "REALLY?!" (shock and amazement, someone who looks inconspicious is pagan!)

I wear no "pagan" jewerly, but not becuase of being afraid to be "out" just becuase I personally don't need to

She was mostly nice, but she was over the top (especially in a professional place of business) in terms of her dress (not the pentacles, but her mode of dress was kinda sloppy)

Now I could look at her and say, oh gosh! people are gonna associate pagans with slobs like her! BUT in the final analysis, those who want to hate us will use ANY excuse. Those who care and are thinking individuals will know that not all of ANY group are the same.

anyway, this was quite long! Sorry...

I guess I would have been the poser in HS. I discovered it all on my own though books by AMber K (gulp) and then didn't pay attention to being Pagan for about 5 years...5 years ago, I started again...

OH and I buy lots of pagan stuff *grin* even though I can't afford it...

As much as we complain about other's sterotypes about us...we have quite a few of our own...

Cheers
Xois

[rantnraven]

Funny you should mention stereotyping. Long about the time you were being born (and I rather expect some replies from the "older then me" crowd), I was donning a cowboy hat and boots and became the Urban Cowboy like Travolta. Later, I became the Disco God with my polyester suits and platform shoes *hangs head in shame*.

It does strike me funny that she denied being Pagan though. Wiccans are Pagan but not all Pagans are Wiccan. That would be like saying all Christians are Baptist. Sounds to me like she was a Poser - and one with a bit of attitude.

Like it was said, we have them in every walk of life so, I guess there is no sense in bitching about it. Kids will be kids - I know, I was one once. ?Wasn't I?

*smiles*

We can sit around and gripe about it or, we can laugh to ourselves and move on. I choose the latter.

Be well,
RnR

[Xois]

Oh NO...Cowboy! :D

quite a vision! hehehe

I am not gripping...that is for sure! Just hanging out being myself...

:D

Cheers
jennifer

ps. perhaps she didn't know that wiccans are pagans...? Never know!

LOL

[Xois]

OH I meant to mention the "time you were being born thing"

73:D

That is probably right in the middle of it all, isn't it!

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by Xois
OH I meant to mention the "time you were being born thing"

73:D

That is probably right in the middle of it all, isn't it!



Saw from your profile you were born in 73. I was born in 63 and was about 13 when I started the urban cowboy thing. I looked a lot like John Denver at the time. About three years after that I went totally disco. Now THAT was not a pretty sight. Believe you me.

RnR

[bluecat]

Originally posted by rantnraven


Saw from your profile you were born in 73. I was born in 63 and was about 13 when I started the urban cowboy thing. I looked a lot like John Denver at the time. About three years after that I went totally disco. Now THAT was not a pretty sight. Believe you me.

RnR

Getting a visual of this ... a young Denverish teen wearing cowboy boots doing the Denver thing ... *WHEW* ........ RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!



I'm not talkin' about RnR in his cowboy boots, I'm talking about any type of "poser" as it's being called in this thread. Heh, I live in New Mexico where we have plenty of drugstore cowboys who have no clue, but they have the hat and boots. Then there is a sort of cultural expectation here for some folks. I can tell you that I can count the number of pairs of cowboy boots I have owned in my life on one hand and still have change.

It's not only "poser" pagans, I see people walking around with their huge Christian Jewelry toting a rather large Bible and doing the same thing. It's not something exclusive to us but to any group.

Now as far as the stalking thing goes, something should be done about that, but I am sure in this case the police might not see it as a threat of bodily harm. I am at a loss for a benign solution there.

Eventually these folks are seen on an individual level for what they are.

Have a sit in Kalyalara's comfy chair thingy, pour yourself a glass of Lemonade and think of how silly some people can be.

Blue

[Earth Walker]

Originally posted by sandaljunkie
Like everything in my life "it" comes and goes in cycles - running, traveling, schooling, even "paganism - wicca" (whatever you care to call it) but never the underlying things that are at the roots of all the things i do.

and if i don't celebrate Ostara with a candle - but notice spring and plant my garden and revitalize the earth i use all winter long - do i not give thanks - am i not a child of my mother earth because i do not own an athame?

I am scared to say - yes i am a wiccan - child of this earth - because of these posers. because of this single (just one is all it takes folks) who swears up and down she is a witch - yet does not go outside, plants her gardens in the same spot, does not learn about conservation, does not recycle, etc... yet every holiday lights a candle, and buys lots and lots of wiccan - and pagan books, and walks around saying to everyone "happy beltane!"

This is not as bad as someone wearing all black with lots of jewelry and black lipstick - this is worse. She actually looks credible... but who am i to judge?

and why am i scared to stand in "that" section of the bookstore looking at the titles - because in that section they keep satan's bible.

The bookstore was not my introduction - my mother was, and the woods that taught me to always stay near - in order to stay centered and balanced. And then my sister's books - scott cuningham of course - and then green witchcraft by aoumiel - but please please - dont tell anyone - because they do not understand. because i dont want to be one of them...

the sceance making victorians.. that come in the form of teenagers who are "open minded" rebels..

so these posers have quite a hold on me -
but i continue to dance outside and ride my bike and sleep in her arms everynight and every once in a while when i remember i light a candle.



Are there still Goths amongst us? :confused:

[Kaylara]

I am what I consider a gothic hippie. :) Many people think that this is an oxymoron, but I assure you that it works. I love dressing up in goth clothing, I also love hippie clothing. My style of dress is apart from my religion. It is too easy for people to stereotype just because of jewlery or clothing. That doesn't tell someone what is in their mind, heart and soul. When you talk to someone who is all dressed up like a goth, many people have a pre-concieved notion that they do drugs, and are satanic. I am neither, and when people take the time out to talk to me, they see that I am an individual, not a stereotype. I think that you can tell when someone is a pagan, at least I can. They carry themselves differently, they have a different glow about them. People who I consider posers are those who act like they are the King or Queen of witches, like they know everything about paganism. But in reality, they don't know hardly anything about paganism, and have only been into paganism for a short time. Some of these people are scary, manipulative, and mentally, physically, and psychically draining. But, you don't know until you talk to a person. I am really against judging based on looks, age, anything like that... I try to judge people on who they are, how they present themselves, and also, how they act towards me, my friends and family.

Just my thoughts,
Chilling out on my couch thingy.

Kaylara

[Earth Walker]

:D I did not mean to offend anyone, it's just that I
thought that the Goth idea had passed. I stand
corrected. :)



If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything
would appear to people as it is, infinite. :sunny:

[rantnraven]

I went out one night and was wearing and eight point pentacle that my spiritual father gave to me. I ran into a guy that looked at it and said, "Cool, you're a High Priest, huh".

I thought about this for a brief moment and replied, "Are we not all High Priest's of our own Circles?".

He looked at me with this pathetic blank look then walked away.

Thought I would share that.

RnR

[bluecat]

Originally posted by rantnraven
I went out one night and was wearing and eight point pentacle that my spiritual father gave to me. I ran into a guy that looked at it and said, "Cool, you're a High Priest, huh".

I thought about this for a brief moment and replied, "Are we not all High Priest's of our own Circles?".

He looked at me with this pathetic blank look then walked away.

Thought I would share that.

RnR

:cool: Just love that BLANK deer in the headlights look! :cool: :D

Hey! I thought you were going camping!!

Blue

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by bluecat


:cool: Just love that BLANK deer in the headlights look! :cool: :D

Hey! I thought you were going camping!!

Blue

Raining out here right now. I've camped in the rain before but it is mierable. Even the snow camping thing sucks.

Nope! Thought to stay at my comfy apartment thingy and sip lemonade.

RnR

BTW Rescheduled camping for the 21st.

[sherry]

I live in ohio and to me the cowboy thing after living in Texas is a scream. I mean these wannabees just crack me up. Why does a man dress up in boots, a duster, and this big ole hat to go to the walmart!!
If they only knew they look so silly and would probably pee there pants if face to face with a horse or cow.
Just as my yankee roots kept me out of cowgirl clothing in texas, and i owned 4 bulls, and my Texasin laws were rodeo people. I owned the hat (recieved it as a gift) put it on christmas day for a photo and never wore it again!!

In our school system I see people that dress in gothic or dark style but most after a year or so turn out to be a passing fad. I see it as there way of finding themselves. And many are for the shock factor!!

[Earth Walker]

I was ranch raised, and have worked on ranches in
both Canada & U.S. I worked mainly in the British
Columbia interior, Alexis Creek, Anahim Lake, and
other places.
I have also rode the rodeo circuit.

I still laugh at these drugstore wanna-be's, I see many
of them in Vancouver. 8O

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by sherry
I live in ohio and to me the cowboy thing after living in Texas is a scream. I mean these wannabees just crack me up. Why does a man dress up in boots, a duster, and this big ole hat to go to the walmart!!

At the time, Urban Cowboy was big. However, I was raised for a few years in Texas and rural California and am not unfamiliar to barn and corral critters. I'm an accomplished rider but took a bad spill a couple of years ago while practicing Reining and can't do that any more. Even got thrown off a bull or two. Heck, I used to help gramma on her worm farm - but you can't ride worms; well you can but they are pretty slow and you don't go very far in 8 seconds.

Riding, and the whole cowboy thing, had become natural to me after a while - after my disco stage *still hanging head*.

I do understand what you are saying though. As a young adult, we want to find or, show our perceived place in life. Many resort to such "shock" tactics to get the point across. Later in life, most of us realize that it can be silly. However, I still don my Hat and boots on occasion. But I don't go to Walmart.

Blessings,
RnR

[bluecat]

Originally posted by Mystique
I was ranch raised, and have worked on ranches in
both Canada & U.S. I worked mainly in the British
Columbia interior, Alexis Creek, Anahim Lake, and
other places.
I have also rode the rodeo circuit.

I still laugh at these drugstore wanna-be's, I see many
of them in Vancouver. 8O

When I was in high school and jr high here in NM I spent summers at my Uncle's place in Southern NM; he had about 16,000 acres of scrub desert that a lot folks ran cattle on. We did wear blue jeans because the heavy material protected us, but we also wore a lot of surplus army fatigues for a simialr reason, they were also easy to come by and were basically disposable because they would get ripped to shreds.

There were certain things that were necessary such as chaps and gloves, because of the thorny bushes and the cholla cactus <OUCH!>, and sometimes boots, but most of the time we would just be in blue jeans, cotton shirts and caps ... yep, those railroad caps, colors with white polka dots, made it easy to see each other out there. Bandanas were important there because of teh dust storms that would pop up out of nowhere. We also wore small side arms <rattlesnakes for DAYS!> and one of us usually had a 30-30 or a shotgun for larger varmints, cuz rabies would make it hard to kill them with a .22.

Everything we wore had a purpose, but we usually shed all of that stuff when we went to town or to a little place we use to hang out.

This cowboy wore Adidas! They knew I was a city bred cowboy! I'm not a cowboy now, that seems like a long time ago, but it's only about 30 years. But I was raised "under the hood of a car" and that made me real handy out there!

Get the city boy, he'll fix it! ... LOL

Life is good, Drink Up!

Blue

[rantnraven]

I was a showman.

Had the Stetson, preferred Acme boots (but who cared) couldn't afford Lama's. Rode in a few parades and did a little of the rodeo thing (and no, not the street in Beverly Hills). Had Chaps, fancy gloves and a fancy bandana. One of my shirts (my fav) was Levi with two red stars. And I had an assortment of Bolo Ties.

Should of stuck to parades 'cause I was lousy at Reining. Somehow, I couldn't seem to stay on the damned horse. Had the same problem with motorcycles when I was younger.

Now I just sit on the porch and watch the others try.

RnR

[gunner]

a very interesting thread, i've a suspicion that many of us wouldn't be spotted as "pagans" in the street. not because we're still "in the broom closet" but simply because who and what we are is so much part of ourselves that we don't need to make any show of it. this not in criticsim of friends that enjoy "pagan style", i enjoy seeing it myself but i keep our greetings for our own folk and those who know me as pagan and accept that. in one way going about greeting everyone with "blessed be" or "merry meet" is no different than an over enthusiastic christian giving all and sundry a "god bless you" as a greeting or parting, it turns something special into a commonplace thing. as to "wanting your powers" that is not something he can "take" or "steal" that is unique to you and he is deluding himself. more later.

[gunner]

to go on, lady rain's pest sounds like a nerdish kid looking to make himself "look big", and yes, i'd suspect he wears nothing but black with all the "kewl magic stuff" he can find while learning his "magic" from "conan the barbarian" books. does he own a paperback copy of "the necronomicon" which he reads from while pretending to conceal it? or did he learn his "magic" from watching "the craft" umptyleven times. if he claims to be "casting spells" on you lady rain he needs to learn the "threefold rule" which i'm sure you do know "whatever you send out, for good or ill, will return threefold". it's easy to claim to have "powers" just as some christians claim to have god's beeper number, but as i said in my previous post, what you have is uniquely yours. you can make a sending of positive energies to help someone, a friend and they will feel it but even that comes from within them, knowing you are sending, it cannot be "taken" or "stolen" without your consent. i'd predict that a few years from now that young "warlock" will be wearing orange robes, mooching change in airports mumbling about "hairy christmas" while you will be still a witch and growing stronger in your belief and faith. blessed be.

[gunner]

and why do i think you wear "goth" with style and class? perhaps because you do.

[Amora]

Unfortunately for me I have an anxiety about drawing attention to myself so I am unable to comfortably wear a lot of pagan clothes. Don't even own a cape...couldn't imagine even wearing it at home. It has nothing to do with not believing in these things or having a problem with others wearing them it's just a crazy anxiety I've always had. When I was in college I had to give a speech to the class on my worst fear..I stood in front of the class and said ok..My worst fear is all of you looking at me. It's a wierd thing. I think I blame it on my blonde hair because it has drawn so much attention to me my whole life. I even tried going to brunette but I looked really stupid.

Just thought I'd throw that in!! I do own a pentacle ring that I wear everyday...but no one could ever accuse me of being a poser for the sake of looking dramatic!!

[Kaylara]

Amora~
I guess that I got used to people looking at me when I was young and so, it stopped bothering me after a while. I started dressing in black when I was about 12. (This was a result of a period of mourning I was in at the time. I lost 5 family members in a matter of 3 months.) That's what started me out on it. I found gothic clothing more interesting than what other people were wearing. I also found hippie clothing to be nice. I really dress however I want, and if someone has a problem with me dressing like that, it's their problem and they don't have to look at me. I dress the way I do for me and no one else. While I no longer have black hair, or wear make-up all the time, it's because I just really don't feel like dealing with it on a daily basis. (Putting on all the make up, taking it off again... ick.) Gothic to me doesn't automatically mean rebellion.
I think that being goth is kinda like being pagan. You can tell the posers from the real ones, because the real ones don't have to try that hard to portray the image of being pagan or gothic.
An example:
When I was a Junior in high school Marilyn Manson was oh so popular. (I don't like manson, that's just me) And there were a few kids that suddenly became "Mansonites" and ran around the hall talking about how Christians were stupid, and that God sucked and that Satan rules. People then turned around and looked at me like I was one of those people because they saw the clothing (minus the Marilyn Manson) and automatically was going to act in the same way. Every single one of those kids now dresses "preppy" or even "skater" but not one of them is a "Mansonite" anymore because the shock value wore off. I can't even count how many people considered me evil because of these other people. I even got blamed for Columbine because "People like you caused this"
Some pagan people would look at me when I am dressed up, and would automatically call me a poser without even taking the time to speak to me. Or they would look down on me, without me having to do me. And I think that it's them that has the problem.
My point being, the mode of dress doesn't make the person, their personality makes their personality. I can dress any way I like, I have clothing that ranges from Business suits to total hippie outfits to preppy clothing to gothic clothing. And at any monment in time I can combine them in various ways that gives me more of a variety than if I just stuck to one mode of dress.
Sorry about the ranting, I hope that it made sense.

Kaylara
(Thanks for the compliment Gunner)

[Amora]

I agree it is the person not the clothes... Thankfully or I would probably be one boring person!! And you can call me anything BUT boring!!

[bluecat]

I wear a great deal of black, but that came out of when I was doing backstage work for theatre and you wore black so it would make it harder for you to be seen. After a while it just became comfortable and my closet is full of black slacks, black denim, black shirts, etc ... ad nauseam. I also have other colors too, but they are all simple colors, like cream, white, blue, red ... etc. I just keep my wardrobe simple and religiously avoid GREEN, I wore green or green camo almost every day for 14 1/2 years until my medical discharge, I guess I just got tired of it.

I also have some bluejeans and plaid shirts, all ready to look like "Al" from "Tool Time" and with my beard and barrel body I probably do, LOL.

The only thing I have left over from my days in the army is my black field cap, which I like cuz it's comfy and I do miss my black field jacket and might get another one, those things were just good jackets, when you got a good one!

Does all of this BLACK make me a Goth?? Nope, no more than it makes Kaylara a poser or a Mansonite. They say that black is supposed to make you disappear, well it does at night, but in some segments of society you stand out like a red beacon. With my sunglasses and black jacket I look more like a refugee from a Roy Orbison concert than anything else (Hey, I met the guy, he was cool! ... and I think his Pretty Woman is the best!).

Well enough of that, Lemonade anyone?

Blue :cool:

[gunner]

you made excellent sense kylara, and the compliment is yours because you deserve it. "my thing" in clothes is "suntan khaki" simply because that's what i'm used to and comfortable in, i've got an old o.d. field jacket that i treasure because it's about the most practical garment for a vermont winter that i've found. when i dress up i tend to look like a london businessman off to "the city" in a black suit, vest and bowler.

(cat, when you go looking for that black field jacket let me know if you have a problem locating one, there's about half a dozen outfits stocking them)

[Earth Walker]

Originally posted by bluecat
I wear a great deal of black, but that came out of when I was doing backstage work for theatre and you wore black so it would make it harder for you to be seen. After a while it just became comfortable and my closet is full of black slacks, black denim, black shirts, etc ... ad nauseam. I also have other colors too, but they are all simple colors, like cream, white, blue, red ... etc. I just keep my wardrobe simple and religiously avoid GREEN, I wore green or green camo almost every day for 14 1/2 years until my medical discharge, I guess I just got tired of it.

I also have some bluejeans and plaid shirts, all ready to look like "Al" from "Tool Time" and with my beard and barrel body I probably do, LOL.

The only thing I have left over from my days in the army is my black field cap, which I like cuz it's comfy and I do miss my black field jacket and might get another one, those things were just good jackets, when you got a good one!

Does all of this BLACK make me a Goth?? Nope, no more than it makes Kaylara a poser or a Mansonite. They say that black is supposed to make you disappear, well it does at night, but in some segments of society you stand out like a red beacon. With my sunglasses and black jacket I look more like a refugee from a Roy Orbison concert than anything else (Hey, I met the guy, he was cool! ... and I think his Pretty Woman is the best!).

Well enough of that, Lemonade anyone?

Blue :cool:

:cool: WOW! I would have loved to meet Roy Orbison!
I have quite a few of his platters. :)

I am basically still a jeans & tee-shirt type of girl...from
my days as a cowgirl. I sure miss the wilderness I
lived in while up in cow camps. :(
I occasionally wear dresses and skirts.

I would like to put together a wardrobe of fifties cloth.
Waxing nostalgic.

[lady rain]

Thank you all for taking the time to address the issue, as I was reading, I am gothic but I do not abuse any jewelry. This kid though knows the religion by studying it not following, tried setting him straight but no. He is though not allowed to go with in 1000 feet near my school ha ha. He stalkes me and he tries to have followers the three folds thing works but only to so extent.
I love the woods a lot. Though my sit where I practice is infested with daddy long leg spiders and I don't want to kill them so I am staying clear of that site. I hope that you all continue to write your opinions about this. I just wonder why people need to put down such a great religion like ours. or practice,As long as we all know who we are on the inside it doesn't matter, only be true to yourself and people will not think your a poser

THank you all Lady Rain
Blessed Be!

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by lady rain
Thank you all for taking the time to address the issue, as I was reading, I am gothic but I do not abuse any jewelry. This kid though knows the religion by studying it not following, tried setting him straight but no. He is though not allowed to go with in 1000 feet near my school ha ha. He stalkes me and he tries to have followers the three folds thing works but only to so extent.
I love the woods a lot. Though my sit where I practice is infested with daddy long leg spiders and I don't want to kill them so I am staying clear of that site. I hope that you all continue to write your opinions about this. I just wonder why people need to put down such a great religion like ours. or practice,As long as we all know who we are on the inside it doesn't matter, only be true to yourself and people will not think your a poser

THank you all Lady Rain
Blessed Be!

Why not stuff a BIG Tall glass of lemonade up his...:eek:

...am I talking out loud?? :D

RnR

[RainbowMagick]

Well I think that this person who was stalking you and saying he practiced was doing it just to get your attenton because he may just do that sort of thing to get people to notice his existance. I think that that kind of behavior towards our practice is just a total insult to our beliefs. I know what you mean when I was in grammer school I had a friend who kept saying that ahe was a witch and that she hexed people and junk and that she even hexed me, I was a little mad to hear her talking about thing she would never understand. I think it's just terrible. Those people make me very angry. *Grrrr*

Blessed Be!

RainbowMagick

[gunner]

i was going to post a comment but i lost it

[gunner]

it does sound like both of the people you mention have been reading too many "sword and sorcery" stories and lost track of the fact that those are written for entertainment and the "magic" in them is made up by the writer to make the story plot work, and has nothing to do with our magick. "hexes" only work on those who believe they can be affected by them, and of course since "murphy's law is always in effect the hexer can sit back and take "credit" for any small bit of bad luck you might have and conning you into not noticing the good luck that also comes round in its turn.

(ha! found it!)

"only be true to yourself" wise beyond your years young lady, many people never learn that basic "secret" all their lives.

[sandaljunkie]

Clothes are important, not because I ever deemed them that way, but everyone else sure does.

After being kicked out of my house at 16 and living on the streets for two years, i have learned quite alot about letting go of the unimportant things; the things i can't carry on my back.

I own a skirt (a huge white skirt i got at a renasiance when i was 7 - and could not give up) and a pair of green courdaroy shorts that are about half patches now. I have one shirt that says "The job that ate my brain." I get all other shirts out of free boxes and goodwill dumpsters. People call me a hippy. They say I look like one. I hate it.

My sandals broke a couple of weeks ago, i have no shoes for the time being. I don't mind it, when i get shoes i will enjoy it, but i will enjoy life without them for a while.

All this talk about fashion and gothness and all that - just brings up memories...

it is very true - as was stated earlier - clothes do not make a person... but they do reflect lifestyle and personality. We are all expressed in a different way. Every moment from mine to yours is incredibly unique.

I am glad this thread exists as open minded people talk about this - and that at least there are a few intelligent people who realize:

to each his own...

-the sandal-less sandaljunkie (or at least until i find some that fit...)

[Amora]

That's pretty moving... I don't think I'll ever get mad that I don't have the exact shade of brown shoes to match my pants anymore... I wish you luck on your journey, it' sounds more trying then the things I've had to encounter.

Blessed be.

[Kaylara]

SandleJunkie~
I have a really cool pair of moccasin boots that I can't wear because they are too big. I also have a bunch of pairs of sandles that I don't wear anymore. What size shoe do you wear? If you want them, they're yours... :)
Merry meet by the way! :)

Blessed Be!
Kaylara

[Dria El]

I just wanted to throw out that I run a clothes exchange program thingie and a friend helps run Cornicopia (a Pagan food closet). Sooo... if you need clothes, shoes, food or whatever, get ahold of me and I'll do whatever I can to help out.

Helpingly,
Dria El

[sandaljunkie]

Kaylara and Dria El,

Thankyou so much for your offers! (one of the reasons i am so hard to shoe - is because i can't stand to wear leather, it breaks my heart everytime I look at it)

It just makes me smile that 2 wonderful individuals - thousands of miles away are so willing to help out someone they have never met.

And as always, when there is the need the goddess supplies. Yesterday i ran into a long time friend and seeing me without shoes she demanded that we go get some immediatly - as a belated b-day present. *wink*wink* So later today we are gonna go get some chacos... sarah the shoeless wonder - no more.

Thankyou ever so much for your positive energy!

-sandaljunkie

[Kaylara]

Dria El~
I'd like information on how to start one of those up in my area. :)

Sandaljunkie~
No problemo! I normally go barefoot in the summer, but I know what it's like in FLA, and it sucks going barefoot there! Hot streets, fire ants, ick. Glad that you are getting shoes!

Kaylara

[Dria El]

Sandaljunkie
You're very welcome. Just keep me in mind if you ever need in the future.

Kaylara
Which one are you referring to?

Replyingly,
Dria El

[Kaylara]

Originally posted by Dria El
I just wanted to throw out that I run a clothes exchange program thingie and a friend helps run Cornicopia (a Pagan food closet). Sooo... if you need clothes, shoes, food or whatever, get ahold of me and I'll do whatever I can to help out.

Helpingly,
Dria El


This was what I was refering to! :)
Kaylara

[Dria El]

I didn't start the food closet and don't actually participate much in it besides donating.

The clothes exchange thingie I do, I started a few years ago. It started with kids clothes. I've got 3 kids and knowing how expensive the clothes can be and how fast they grow out of them, made me decide to help those who can't afford to have nice things for their kids. I started out keeping all of my own kids stuff and asking around to everyone I know (with kids) to give me all their old stuff. Eventually I had enough clothes to start handing them out. The only prerequisite was that they returned them after their kids grew out of them. I also let them know that anything extra they could pass back would be greatfully accepted. Shortly after that I started getting people asking me if I wanted adult stuff too. It's nothing huge right now but maybe someday if I can scrape together the cash on a regular basis, I'll be able to rent a place to keep it all and not be limited by lack of space (I only have a small 2 bedroom apartment right now, so storage is very limited). I hope this helps you...

Informatively,
Dria El