How many different types of Christian Witchery are there?

[CleftOfLight]

Just curious,if you know of any christain witch paths,please tell the name of path and add link or description of path.Thank you very much.

[Ryd Firedreamz]

Every Christian knows god forbidds witchcraft:hahugh:

[ModernKnight]

I don't know about current, but in the late medieval/early Rennaisance, there was a healthy Christian Kabbalah movement.

[Agaliha]

Well I assume you can take the Pagan Witchcraft paths and blend them with a Christian Witchcraft one, example:
Green Christian Witchcraft, Kitchen Christian Witchcraft, etc.

There is also the: Norvicensian Christian Witchcraft (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=141363)

I've seen:
Christan Wicca
Christo-Paganism (I'm sure you know about that already)
Sophian Christian Witchcraft (not really any links, Gnostic-y, Sophia focus)
Gnostic Christian Witchcraft (just look up info about Gnosticism add with info of Witchcraft)
Esoteric Christianity (Esoteric Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupNyvT5FJV0BeLlXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2djRtNTluBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANPT1A1X zkw/SIG=126afnojt/EXP=1161826034/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_Christianity)-- for more do a yahoo search) (Aslo: Northernway.org (http://northernway.org/sitemap.shtml))
Celtic Christian Witchcraft

You can find a lot of info by going to Yahoo's Groups and searching for stuff. A lot of groups there have info. And it's easy to join and free.
Go here: Groups (http://www.yahoo.com/r/2r)

Also I would think one can blend other paths into a Christian Witchcraft one. They would be more personal and take time to develop and all.

[Protagonist]

Ceremonial magick is largely Christian in origin, but, well, it's not what I'd call "witchery."

[zionwood]

there's also Norvicensian Christian Witchery, which is my path.

[TheWanderer]

Catholic with Macha/Morrigan tendencies

[ViolinGoddess]

Well, that's a difficult question. Paths of christian witchery is kind of like the old joke about pagans. If you put 100 pagans in a room you will come up with 101 different opinions on paganism. In my experience, christian witchery is kind of like that. It is very peronalized. I break it down into three categories.
1) People who are more pagan than christian.
2) People who are more christian than pagan.
3) People who are about half and half.

Personally, I happen to be more christian than pagan. I essentially kept my christian religion, the only changes I've made is that I beleive in reincarnation, the exsistence of Faeries, and I practice magick. I don't use any other Gods or Goddesses other than the Christian God. I also use angels. SO my magick is either devoid of any religion (like folk magick) or it is christian influenced (like using christian symbols and such).

But really, for every christian witch, there is a different wayof following the christian witch path. Sorry i couldn't be more spesific.

Violin Goddess

[TheWanderer]

I want to re-respond, cause I wasn't paying attention the last time :lol::lol:
My personal path is one influenced by the Catholicism I grew up with. However, I think there are as many type of Christian Witches as there are Christian Witches. Your type is going to be influenced by your upbringing and your personal belief.
There are those who are more pagan that christian, more christian than pagan, and then fifty-fifty.
Within those are Protestant Christians, Catholic Christians, Eastern Christians, Gnostic Christians, and those who just call themselves Christian. I think that's about it...

[RayneFyre]

Norvicensian is my path as well. Take a look and see if it works for you.

[wtfidka]

How is it possible to combine two opposite beleifs? Does that not mean that you are not faithfull to either system? My path as a Witch has so much in common with Nature and natural forces, how do I manage to combine that with a christian viewpoint? Before anyone answers that the Christian God created Nature, please dont, people created the Christian God to try and scare Pagans into conforming to what they wanted them to believe! Nature is as old as the Earth the Christian God is not or do you actually beleive the Bible?

[Shield_Wolf]

How is it possible to combine two opposite beleifs? Does that not mean that you are not faithfull to either system? My path as a Witch has so much in common with Nature and natural forces, how do I manage to combine that with a christian viewpoint? Before anyone answers that the Christian God created Nature, please dont, people created the Christian God to try and scare Pagans into conforming to what they wanted them to believe! Nature is as old as the Earth the Christian God is not or do you actually beleive the Bible?

First, WitchCraft itself is not a Religion it is from what I understand a form of magick that any one can use. So for some one to be Christian can also be and use Witchcraft. And to say that a God is only made up buy people to scare other people is wrong. What right do you have to say that any ones God is just made up. From my experience the Christian God, along with all the other Gods exist in there own right.

[Rainbow]

In my case, any Christian Witchcraft I practice is directly related to the fact that I was raised Catholic. It's more Christianity influencing my current path than anything else.

[David19]

First, WitchCraft itself is not a Religion it is from what I understand a form of magick that any one can use. So for some one to be Christian can also be and use Witchcraft. And to say that a God is only made up buy people to scare other people is wrong. What right do you have to say that any ones God is just made up. From my experience the Christian God, along with all the other Gods exist in there own right.


How is it possible to combine two opposite beleifs? Does that not mean that you are not faithfull to either system? My path as a Witch has so much in common with Nature and natural forces, how do I manage to combine that with a christian viewpoint? Before anyone answers that the Christian God created Nature, please dont, people created the Christian God to try and scare Pagans into conforming to what they wanted them to believe! Nature is as old as the Earth the Christian God is not or do you actually beleive the Bible?

I agree with everything you just said in response, wtfidka, witchcraft is the practice of magic, and YHWH is not a "thought-form" or "made up", he's a very powerful god, but only one god amongst many, many others.

[Baobabtree]

How is it possible to combine two opposite beleifs? Does that not mean that you are not faithfull to either system? My path as a Witch has so much in common with Nature and natural forces, how do I manage to combine that with a christian viewpoint? Before anyone answers that the Christian God created Nature, please dont, people created the Christian God to try and scare Pagans into conforming to what they wanted them to believe! Nature is as old as the Earth the Christian God is not or do you actually beleive the Bible? I'm a Gnostic-Hindu, so the contradictions that usually restrict your average christo-pagan aren't a problem for me, however the many christo-pagans on this form have different interpretations of the Bible, and thus see no contradiction. And please stop it with the whole my God is real yours isn't attitude. You won't gain much respect like that.

[wtfidka]

I'm a Gnostic-Hindu, so the contradictions that usually restrict your average christo-pagan aren't a problem for me, however the many christo-pagans on this form have different interpretations of the Bible, and thus see no contradiction. And please stop it with the whole my God is real yours isn't attitude. You won't gain much respect like that.

That was not really my intention I just really am having difficulty seeing how this works but now I think I am beginning to understand, if the bible says"you shall have no other Gods but me" and you(in general) dont agree with that restriction you can just interpret it differently! I was really trying to get my head around this concept.
Now the crunch question did the Christians not burn people to death simply for being suspected of being Witches? Do we simply sweep this under the carpet and say they made a mistake? The Christians are good at forgiving their own sins, I happen to be one witch that doesnt feel like forgiving the Chritians for what they did to us!

[Shield_Wolf]

That was not really my intention I just really am having difficulty seeing how this works but now I think I am beginning to understand, if the bible says"you shall have no other Gods but me" and you(in general) dont agree with that restriction you can just interpret it differently! I was really trying to get my head around this concept.
Now the crunch question did the Christians not burn people to death simply for being suspected of being Witches? Do we simply sweep this under the carpet and say they made a mistake? The Christians are good at forgiving their own sins, I happen to be one witch that doesnt feel like forgiving the Chritians for what they did to us!

What they did to you, what the..... Okay that's all most as bad when you still have some Black people saying they won't forgive White people for what the did. It's over and the people now a days had nothing to do with it so get over it okay. And one more thing(nothing against my Witch friends here), if you look into the culture of other cultures in the past and look at there word for witch you would see that in all most all those culture Witches were evil and hateful. It's only now a day that people use the word in a different matter then it use to be. I believe with the start of Wicca in 1954.

[LacyRoze]

That was not really my intention I just really am having difficulty seeing how this works but now I think I am beginning to understand, if the bible says"you shall have no other Gods but me" and you(in general) dont agree with that restriction you can just interpret it differently! I was really trying to get my head around this concept.
Now the crunch question did the Christians not burn people to death simply for being suspected of being Witches? Do we simply sweep this under the carpet and say they made a mistake? The Christians are good at forgiving their own sins, I happen to be one witch that doesnt feel like forgiving the Chritians for what they did to us!

In every translation of the bible I have it says "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me". To me, and I'm speaking only for myself here, this means I can recognize that there are other gods but my God must come first..

As for what the Christians did in the past? I'm sorry but I don't think modern day Christians should be held responsible for what was done in the past. I wasn't there so why should I be blamed for what they did? I don't hold the same views they did. I think judging people now for what was done in the past is just silly.

[David19]

That was not really my intention I just really am having difficulty seeing how this works but now I think I am beginning to understand, if the bible says"you shall have no other Gods but me" and you(in general) dont agree with that restriction you can just interpret it differently! I was really trying to get my head around this concept.
Now the crunch question did the Christians not burn people to death simply for being suspected of being Witches? Do we simply sweep this under the carpet and say they made a mistake? The Christians are good at forgiving their own sins, I happen to be one witch that doesnt feel like forgiving the Chritians for what they did to us!

What do you mean "did to us", it's very, very doubtful that you, personally, had any ancestors burned as witches, and the majority killed in the "burning times" were not witches, they were more midwives, the local senial old woman, political enemies, Catholics (in Protestant countries or Protestants in Catholic countries), Jews, Muslims, etc, but it's very doubtful if there were many witches there.

And, if you can't forgive Christians for what some so-called Christians did hundreds of years ago, then perhaps, if you're American, black people should hold you personally responisble, or perhaps, Iraqis and Afghanis should hold you (and the majority of people on this board) for what is happening in their countries.

I hope it's clear the last part was meant to be sarcastic, but it shows how you can't blame people for what happened in the past (afterall, do Jews still hate Germany and Germans?).

[wtfidka]

That is exactly what I said David Christians killed people if they where even remotely suspected of Witchcraft! I am as a matter of interest not American I am European and I am a Witch not a wiccan, if wicca is a system you(general) wish to follow then so be it, I will respect your right to do so as long as you respect my right to be a Witch. I am not saying it isnt possible to combine wicca and Christianity, all I am saying is that as a Witch I am positive that I couldnt find a way to make it work and I am pretty sure non of the Witches I am in contact with around the World could either.
Oh and yes SW Witches can be evil! I am pretty certain yoy are refering to Wiccans being all sweetness and light, if you are christian Witches would you stand up at a Christian service and admit to being a witch? If you where a Christian would you stand up in front of pagan Witches and admit your Christianity, I seriously doubt it!
I think you are confusing Witchcraft, on old belief system, with Wicca a relatively modern religion.

[Nosnah]

I just have to say it... as a Christian witch, I think it is very rude to say that my beliefs are impossible. Why is it impossible for me to practice witchcraft in offering to ONE God, rather than many? Why is it that its okay for YOU to say that my God is made up, but yours are PROVEN to be REAL gods? I just think it is completely unfair to make that generalization and accusation. You, in my opinion, are no better than the Christians who persecuted those accused of witchcraft during ANY "witchcraft cleansing" era of history.

[Lady Valkyrie]

I seriously do not understand why I get repremanded in other parts of Mystic Wicks for standing up for my beliefs in the face of those who expect me to defend it against their "challenges"... yet when I come here to the paths section specifically to the Christian Witchcraft section what do I see? I see certain people who are well known all over this board for declaring their discontent for the blending of Christianity with Paganism, Witchcraft and Wicca and they are constently posting in this section about how much Christopaganism, Christian Witchery, and Christian Wicca just cannot be blended together. I thought this section was to discuss our faith... not to have certain well known individuals type over and over and over and over and over again how much they believe it can't and should not be blended. Please, I emplore you, to stop it. This is not discussion... this is constent badgering. These certain individuals see a thread on Christopaganism, Christian Witchery, or Christian Wicca and they are there to bash on the belief... not to actually discuss, learn, and truely share ideals... they show up to share their repeative diatribe. Now if this gets me another smack on this hand from someone... fine... but I can hold my head high knowing I am standing up for what I believe to be true.

[gurlygurl2004]

Me personally, I'm a Wicca leaning/Catholic/Anglican/Protestant interested type of Christian Witch.

[MariThorn]

Well, well . . . I have to agree foremost with Lady Valkyrie regarding what in truth is bashing of my religious and spiritual path by certain people on this thread. However, I see no moderator stepping in to say "Hey! Wait! You cannot do that!" Now with that out of my system, and if I get whapped fine, but if your gonna smack one smack em all. No favoritism please.

I am a Catholic Witch, I firmly believe that the Bible is the a divine book of Wisdom, History, Law, and other forms of literary work that we are priviledged to have pretty complete. I also agree with my Catechism that teaches that the being we call God in the Christian faith is a mystery that transcends our tiny heads, and that this being, which is Truth and Love, reveals itself to different cultures in ways they can all understand it. (And yes, that is in the Catechism, quite interesting eh?) So, I can believe in an all powerful being that embodies truth and love and I can put any descriptive name to it I want Thank you very much.

Furthermore, witch comes from the Anglo-Saxon wicce, which doesn't mean wise one, but means one who shapes things, taken from the Old English wicken for one who conjures. (Oberon Zell-Ravenheart's book Grimoire for the Apprentice Wizard.) I do conjure and shape things, I study the arcane and mysteries of life. Ergo I am a witch. A wizard, from the Anglo Saxon wyzard meaning wise one, would be someone who does the latter in my sentence above. You can be a witch or wizard and follow any religious path. So please stop telling Christian witches that we cannot exist . . . It just isn't true.

Chistian Wiccans . . . that is another story, and I have made my pov known on that in other threads. If you can serve two Masters, then your truly gifted.

I worship an all powerful being that reveals itself to me as The Morrigan, which is just a title incidentally meaning "The Great Mother". I also work with it as it reveals itself to me as Nuada, which is a title meaning "Storm Gatherer." When in mass, I have no problem singing about God, that is a generic term. I have never been to a service where it was called YHWH, we aren't Jewish.

I cannot answer for other Christian paths who combine witchcraft with their Christian beliefs. But that is my two cents.

Oh, and I didn't kill anyone, and I don't know of any Christians around me who have burned people at stakes lately. I tend to agree with those who say get over it. Most of the people who were killed during "the burning times" were not witches but enemies of people who had influence and wanted them out of the way. There are people who say they are Christian who attack witches and pagans in the world today, but if God.dess is Love, and we are to forgive, then one has to ponder that one.

Oops . . . forgot to touch on the "Thou shall not have any other God before me." Judaism was henotheistic at this period in time, and not monotheistic. That means they had one Main God and many little gods. The law was stating that YHWH would not allow any of these smaller deities to have statues of themselves placed in front of his, or that their worship would take precedence over his. When this happened in the OT the priests of YHWH often tore down the Asherah poles and wooded temples. It really is not relevant to our day and age.

Marithorn

[Glory]

How is it possible to combine two opposite beleifs? Does that not mean that you are not faithfull to either system? My path as a Witch has so much in common with Nature and natural forces, how do I manage to combine that with a christian viewpoint? Before anyone answers that the Christian God created Nature, please dont, people created the Christian God to try and scare Pagans into conforming to what they wanted them to believe! Nature is as old as the Earth the Christian God is not or do you actually beleive the Bible?

Wow... I'm not even remotely Christian and that's really offensive. No one has any right to say that someone's God doesn't exist, especially in such a grating, uninformed way.

And as for the witch-burning stuff... give me a break.