Transiting Pluto

[NewPhoenix]

Hi all, my transiting Pluto (currently in 9th house) is squaring my stellium of Mercury/Moon/Pluto in Virgo in 6th house. Pluto is now at 24 deg. Sag, and my natal Pluto 26 deg Virgo, Mercury 27 deg Virgo and Moon 29 deg Virgo. Any thoughts?

(I'm frightened!) :help:

[business voodoo]

don't be frightened be curious .... pluto in the 9th wants to soar beyond what you could imagine ... squaring it with those planets in the 6th ... wants to take you deeper than you've ever gone before in those areas ... emotions, subconscious, and then mercury and all that represents ... so, expect (and look for ... you gotta work for transformation!) lots of stuff to come up from the past, but its not to take you back there or create a victim of the present, but to shed it and let it go with the ability to integrate the information of the past to inform where to go next.

look with expectation and don't be afraid to look and remember where you've been ... after all, the past cannot hurt you now, you're already free from it ... unless, of course, you choose to be hurt/enslaved/victimized from the past ... the stellium currently going through scorpio as well will help the energy of bringing up old stuff that hurt (... or for some, things that didn't hurt but you didn't want to see the good stuff because then you have to admit, awe, hell, my childhood was good, what am i tripping about?!?!?!!!) ...

so never ever be frightened with the 9th house transits, that's the house of "what can happen next?" and how exciting that can be ... look with intrepidation, you will trip ... look with expectation and none at all at the same time, and be surprised without being disappointed.

[NewPhoenix]

Thank you business voodoo.. this gave me a different perspective. I noticed that since Pluto moves so slowly, this aspect will stick around for the next year or two. Also, as it's squaring my natal Pluto I'm sure everyone in my age group is feeling some kind of regeneration, although for me it's very personal, hitting my stellium.

I'm curious what will come about when Pluto squares Uranus... also a generational thing. I suppose it can stimulate a renewal with social groups, and maybe further challenge the integrity of organizations and structures. Do you agree?

[KEishin]

so never ever be frightened with the 9th house transits, that's the house of "what can happen next?" and how exciting that can be ... look with intrepidation, you will trip ... look with expectation and none at all at the same time, and be surprised without being disappointed.
It's interesting you should put it that way. I've always considered the 9th house very much like the Fool card in Tarot - even though you'd think the astrological version of the Journey would start at the 1st house. The Fool is all bright-eyed and eager to learn and experience (9th house) and usually ends up falling flat at least once, but gets up and bouces right back, glee barely diminished.


I'm curious what will come about when Pluto squares Uranus...
I think of Pluto square Uranus as the "get your butt out of the denial closet" aspect. Fears and insecurities meet the inner rebel . . . often means *boom* on an emotional level. Neither characteristic tends to negociate well.

Even if you have nothing as dramatic as denial going, it's about needing to be independent, but not so extreme that one becomes anti-social and freaks anytime they get close to someone else. It could also express as a major reluctance to be analyzed in any way, especially psychologically. My guess is that would express itself as feeling trapped and not free, as Uranus likes to be.

[Shatril]

I think of Pluto square Uranus as the "get your butt out of the denial closet" aspect. Fears and insecurities meet the inner rebel . . . often means *boom* on an emotional level. Neither characteristic tends to negociate well.

Even if you have nothing as dramatic as denial going, it's about needing to be independent, but not so extreme that one becomes anti-social and freaks anytime they get close to someone else. It could also express as a major reluctance to be analyzed in any way, especially psychologically. My guess is that would express itself as feeling trapped and not free, as Uranus likes to be.

If the pluto transiting uranus is generational, I look at this more in light of the nation/generation as a whole coming our of denial. The whole nation, if not the world, is in denial about what a dim prospect we have for the future if all things remain the same (See the book by Friedman, "The World is Flat", as I expressed in another thread everything happens when I'm not looking _wedgie_ ). At any rate, this is going to hit at a very emotional level, when it finally dawns on those who haven't seen what is happening while they weren't looking. I see this Pluto energy as the eye opening of the nation and the world to what we missed, and where our energy needs to go. I just hope it isn't the too little too late syndrome.

Your analysis of the situation at a personal level can be expressed at a world level just as well, since a whole generation will be experiencing the same energy, or have I missed something somewhere? If I'm all wet please let me know so I can delete this and not make an azz of myself. :rollingla

Shatil

[NewPhoenix]

It's interesting you should put it that way. I've always considered the 9th house very much like the Fool card in Tarot - even though you'd think the astrological version of the Journey would start at the 1st house. The Fool is all bright-eyed and eager to learn and experience (9th house) and usually ends up falling flat at least once, but gets up and bouces right back, glee barely diminished.

Sounds like my emotions (moon), thoughts (mercury) and deep-seated issues and consciousness (pluto) will be challeneged by what I learn in this next phase of my life (9th house), offering an opportunity to purge old habits and ways of thinking/feeling/reacting.



I think of Pluto square Uranus as the "get your butt out of the denial closet" aspect. Fears and insecurities meet the inner rebel . . . often means *boom* on an emotional level. Neither characteristic tends to negociate well.

Even if you have nothing as dramatic as denial going, it's about needing to be independent, but not so extreme that one becomes anti-social and freaks anytime they get close to someone else. It could also express as a major reluctance to be analyzed in any way, especially psychologically. My guess is that would express itself as feeling trapped and not free, as Uranus likes to be.

It's interesting to me to see different people's interpretations. And I can see how they may all apply, from one perspective or another. I think personally, the way I prefer to see a transit is for the opportunity it brings. And what I really appreciated about business voodoo's response is because she showed me the opportunity that I failed to see. So, also with the transit of Pluto square Uranus, which is just on the horizon for me, as Uranus conjuncts my Moon, perhaps I will have the opportunity to liberate myself from the need of social influence, approval, and understanding. Good stuff!

[NewPhoenix]

If the pluto transiting uranus is generational, I look at this more in light of the nation/generation as a whole coming our of denial. The whole nation, if not the world, is in denial about what a dim prospect we have for the future if all things remain the same (See the book by Friedman, "The World is Flat", as I expressed in another thread everything happens when I'm not looking _wedgie_ ). At any rate, this is going to hit at a very emotional level, when it finally dawns on those who haven't seen what is happening while they weren't looking. I see this Pluto energy as the eye opening of the nation and the world to what we missed, and where our energy needs to go. I just hope it isn't the too little too late syndrome.

Your analysis of the situation at a personal level can be expressed at a world level just as well, since a whole generation will be experiencing the same energy, or have I missed something somewhere? If I'm all wet please let me know so I can delete this and not make an azz of myself. :rollingla

Shatil

That's so strange, Shatril, I didn't even see your post until I came back later. I wonder if there's a delay of when it shows up.

Well from what I sense about the current trends in the world I think your analysis really applies... although I'm basing my opinion on intuition and overall perception. The part about things happening when we're not looking or not paying attention... would you say it's the square aspect that signifies this? Is it because the square jars us out of preoccupation?

[business voodoo]

I'm curious what will come about when Pluto squares Uranus... also a generational thing. I suppose it can stimulate a renewal with social groups, and maybe further challenge the integrity of organizations and structures. Do you agree?

yes, on some level i do agree. but while everyone is affected by the transpersonal planets and their transits, very few people have them consciously affect their lives in a positive way. and the transits affect the generation to the extent and at the level of consciousness for the entire generation ... so, to the degree you personally consciously work with the transits' energy in your own personal life, you will be "upleveling" your generation's overall experience. most people, a pluto/uranus square would be an earthquake or similar type of external experience (that is synched with your generation's development). structures could be involved, but it would be structures of the mental realm with uranus/pluto rather than actual organization/laws/buildings/governments ... that would be the area of pluto/saturn.

... for you, it could be that but in your own life, e.g., the earth opens up a whole new realm of reality, understanding and consciousness. i'm not saying you won't experience a collective external experience with everyone else if such an event would happen, but even if you did, the internal experience of the conscious person experiencing the transit is just as powerful, life changing and pattern altering as any external activity.

[business voodoo]

Sounds like my emotions (moon), thoughts (mercury) and deep-seated issues and consciousness (pluto) will be challeneged by what I learn in this next phase of my life (9th house), offering an opportunity to purge old habits and ways of thinking/feeling/reacting.

also, bear in mind that uranus is the higher octave of mercury ... most important about mercury is that while thoughts is one aspect of mercury (that resonates very strongly with the mental uranus energy), its the transmission of those thoughts into productive communications, messages, AND, most importantly, making connections. mercury is the nearest planet to the sun that receives all the sun's energy and then has to 'take it to the world' ... and the other 'selves' that exist in your psyche ...

and, the moon ... not just emotions, but cycles, patterns, subconscious, psychic perceptions, environment and home ... as being the earth's satelite, it is the place in the self that receives and reflects the sun back on itself and the universe around it ...

pluto is about wisdom and transformation ... the cleaning the garage, bringing the stuff in the house that needs to be used, storing what needs to be saved, giving away what is no longer needed but must be shared and trashing what is garbage. that is a process of consciousness.

some interesting internal times ahead for you!

[NewPhoenix]

also, bear in mind that uranus is the higher octave of mercury ... most important about mercury is that while thoughts is one aspect of mercury (that resonates very strongly with the mental uranus energy), its the transmission of those thoughts into productive communications, messages, AND, most importantly, making connections. mercury is the nearest planet to the sun that receives all the sun's energy and then has to 'take it to the world' ... and the other 'selves' that exist in your psyche ...

and, the moon ... not just emotions, but cycles, patterns, subconscious, psychic perceptions, environment and home ... as being the earth's satelite, it is the place in the self that receives and reflects the sun back on itself and the universe around it ...

pluto is about wisdom and transformation ... the cleaning the garage, bringing the stuff in the house that needs to be used, storing what needs to be saved, giving away what is no longer needed but must be shared and trashing what is garbage. that is a process of consciousness.

some interesting internal times ahead for you!

Thank you for expounding on that... your insight adds color and depth, bringing the planets and transits to life. Yes it will be interesting to see what happens. The square to Mercury (natal Mercury 27 deg Virgo) will come first, followed by the square to Uranus probably a year or two later (Uranus 7 deg Libra). So many the insights I receive during the Mercury square will be communicated during the Uranus square... or some such possibility.

I hate trying to interpret transits for myself... much like reading Tarot for myself... it's so easy to be fatalistic or misinterpret...

Thank you.

[business voodoo]

I hate trying to interpret transits for myself... much like reading Tarot for myself... it's so easy to be fatalistic or misinterpret...

you are welcome ... perhaps that is the underlying pattern that is going to get uprooted and transformed ... always expecting negative, fatal or a mistake will ensure that's exactly what happens. it is a mental pattern that produces that, and a different mental pattern will shape your personal interpretations and readings much more balanced and project a future vision that you will look forward to receiving!

keep up the great work!

[~Owl~]

Just my own personal thoughts on the 9th House when it has transiting planets in it, regardless of what they are, or even if they're making a major aspect (such as in square to a stellium) .

Now that aspect alone could be looked at as something to be fairly signifigant, but remember, it's the House that it's in that's the important thing at this point, because this is where this energy is originating.

If it was originating from a more stationary, fixed House (2, 5, 8, 11) that could be different. The 9th House is ruled by Saggie, always on the move, always on the go. Wanting to travel to far off lands, and distant shores, it doesn't have time to sit around and brood, like the 8th house. The energy of the 9th House is filled with constant movement,so even a stinky aspect like an afficted stellium shouldn't be too much of a dent in your plans, especially with faster moving planets orbiting around it to offset it in no time. ;)


Be at peace, my child. May The Force Be With You.:)

Blessings,
~SilverFeather the Owl~

[NewPhoenix]

Just my own personal thoughts on the 9th House when it has transiting planets in it, regardless of what they are, or even if they're making a major aspect (such as in square to a stellium) .

Now that aspect alone could be looked at as something to be fairly signifigant, but remember, it's the House that it's in that's the important thing at this point, because this is where this energy is originating.

If it was originating from a more stationary, fixed House (2, 5, 8, 11) that could be different. The 9th House is ruled by Saggie, always on the move, always on the go. Wanting to travel to far off lands, and distant shores, it doesn't have time to sit around and brood, like the 8th house. The energy of the 9th House is filled with constant movement,so even a stinky aspect like an afficted stellium shouldn't be too much of a dent in your plans, especially with faster moving planets orbiting around it to offset it in no time. ;)


Be at peace, my child. May The Force Be With You.:)

Blessings,
~SilverFeather the Owl~

Thank you SilverFeather, this is great stuff! Yes it very much applies. As slow moving as Pluto is, it's been hovering around my 9th house for quite a while now. In fact, it was on the cusp about 12 years ago when I first moved to a different state... and then moved several times after that (different states). The interesting thing is that I'm chomping at the bit to move again now... I'm having a HUGE Gypsy-like pull of my spirit... but I'm kinda grounded where I am, or at least seem to be. My nature is that of a Gypsy anyway, and now with this Pluto through the 9th house influence, it seems even more so. But the Sag energy (which correlates to the 9th house) is likened to a Gypsy, is it not?

I also see another perspective. There IS movement, but not always outwardly. There is much movement within me in the transformation of thought, emotion, awareness, etc. All this is indicative of the square of Pluto to my stellium, I believe.

:)