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Agaliha
November 9th, 2006, 12:08 AM
I find them interesting. Feel free to discuss them here! The world is full of plants :)
ETA: "Plant" includes herbs and other such things.

On my mind lately: sunflowers and pomegranates as well as trees. Oh and the lotus. And magnolia. And some other flowers.
Ones I do not care for: Lavender. Lilac. Some others. Evil plants, totally allergic. That's just me though.
I found some sites I can post later.
Or now. Yeah, I have time. :2G:

Flowers (general):
Flower Lore and Meanings (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuq6Nq1JFJAgAveFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2ajJ1NDk0BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11usbhvrl/EXP=1163132173/**http%3a//www.starfirescircle.com/flower.html)
Flower Magick (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geutivq1JFY9oAizpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aW9iZXBqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=122ntakg1/EXP=1163132207/**http%3a//www.ladyrhiannons.com/FlowerMagick.html)
Flower of Life (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geutivq1JFY9oArzpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZThqMmVuBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTAEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=12ubi7aet/EXP=1163132207/**http%3a//altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsflowerlife.htm)
Flower Lore (http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/flowers/pcd2.html)
Greek myths flower and trees (http://www.theoi.com/Flora1.html)

Trees (General):
Tara Hill: Sacred Woods and the Lore of Trees (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuosnqlJFArAA6VRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aW9iZXBqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11voe9q0b/EXP=1163131815/**http%3a//www.tarahill.com/treelore/trees.html)
MYTHING LINKS / COMMON THEMES: Trees & Plant Lore (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuosnqlJFArAA7lRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2ajJ1NDk0BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11v3fgu4k/EXP=1163131815/**http%3a//www.mythinglinks.org/ct~trees.html)
Sacred Woods and the Lore of Trees (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuosnqlJFArAA9lRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2NGQ3cjIzBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNARzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11l3smnj7/EXP=1163131815/**http%3a//www.tarahill.com/treelore/)
Druidry.org: Tree Lore (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuosnqlJFArAA_lRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2MGd0NDF2BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=1205nqmbi/EXP=1163131815/**http%3a//www.druidry.org/obod/trees/trees.html)
~TREE LORE~ (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuosnqlJFArAAD1VXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZThqMmVuBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTAEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=128v5d78s/EXP=1163131815/**http%3a//members.tripod.com/mistsofmagic/treelore.html)
Trees: Quotes, Poems, Lore, Stories, Myths, Tales (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuunkrFJFDx4AY5FXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3MDB2M2I4BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTQEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=123e6iio9/EXP=1163132516/**http%3a//www.egreenway.com/meditation/treemag.htm)
The Tornhuis: Celtic Tree Lore (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuunkrFJFDx4AZ5FXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3YzBwZnU1BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTUEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=11qbboq5p/EXP=1163132516/**http%3a//www.dutchie.org/Tracy/tree.html)
Dryads and the Properties of Wood (http://bardwood.com/WOODS.HTML)
In Worship of Trees (http://www.controverscial.com/In%20Worship%20of%20Trees.htm)
Dryad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuthNuFJFJOUACa9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aW9iZXBqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11muv5a56/EXP=1163135437/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dryad)
Mythography | Dryads and Hamadryads in Myth and Art (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuthNuFJFJOUADa9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2ajJ1NDk0BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11qi8ajb8/EXP=1163135437/**http%3a//www.loggia.com/myth/dryads.html)
Dryads (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuthNuFJFJOUAFa9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2NGQ3cjIzBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNARzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=122g6o4om/EXP=1163135437/**http%3a//www.pantheon.org/articles/d/dryads.html)

Apples:
Apple Lore (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupV0qlJF5gUBc.1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aW9iZXBqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11v984ief/EXP=1163131892/**http%3a//pss.uvm.edu/ppp/articles/aplore.html)
Apple Lore I (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupV0qlJF5gUBe.1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2dHA1c3U2BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=127tc8rd6/EXP=1163131892/**http%3a//www.geocities.com/aisha12236/apple_lore.html)
Sisters of the Silver Branch -- Apple Lore (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupV0qlJF5gUBk.1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2bmU1dWwxBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDOQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=124jj3r17/EXP=1163131892/**http%3a//patriot.net/~nachtanz/SSB/ssbapple.html)
Apple Lore and Recipes (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupV0qlJF5gUBl.1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZThqMmVuBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTAEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=11vbj04n8/EXP=1163131892/**http%3a//www.suzannesutton.com/apple_lore.htm)
Apple (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geutzqqlJF.wUBqvNXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3bHQzYzJxBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTIEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=12053mnic/EXP=1163132010/**http%3a//www.druidry.org/obod/trees/apple.html)

Pomegranate:
Paghat's Garden: Pomegranate Myths (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuq06q1JFNx0BXQ5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2ajJ1NDk0BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11vjmkc1a/EXP=1163132090/**http%3a//www.paghat.com/pomegranatemyths.html)
Pomegranates Lore and Legends. (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuq06q1JFNx0BYQ5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2dHA1c3U2BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=12irnqq16/EXP=1163132090/**http%3a//homecooking.about.com/od/foodlore/a/pomegranatelore.htm)
FoodTale: POMEGRANATES (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuo9uq1JFKGcANHpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2M2U4MG0yBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11pqt444q/EXP=1163132142/**http%3a//www.soupsong.com/fpomegra.html)


Anyone know of any lore or folkbeliefs dealing with plants/flowers/trees?
Have a favorite plant? Any requests for info?

CzechWoods
November 9th, 2006, 12:27 AM
marking thread for further exploration laters :wave:

Agaliha
November 9th, 2006, 12:34 AM
marking thread for further exploration laters :wave:

:wave: Feel free to add anything anytime

CzechWoods
November 9th, 2006, 12:48 AM
i sure will. this is just my last occasion to being online for bout half a week, so iam in a hurry. but i tend to come back and post :D

Agaliha
November 9th, 2006, 01:27 AM
Found this...mentions Klytie and the Heliotrope:



Heliotrope
heliotropium arborescens
Family: Boraginaceae
Common Names: ~Marine Heliotrope~
Heliotrope means ~shunned by the sun.~ The Greek word ~heliotrope~ means to ~turn towards the sun.~ It came from Peru, and in France, was called the ~Herb of Love. ~ The original heliotrope was supposed to be a plant known in Germany as ~God's herb~ and had many healing qualities.
In the Greek myth the sun god Apollo is loved by Clytia, for whom he cared so little that he went a-wooing the princess Leukothea. Clytia revealed the liason to the king, who, furious at the misconduct of his daughter, burried her alive. Apollo returned to the heavens without so much as a look for the unhappy Clytia, who, conscious of the mischief she had done, fell to the ground and lay there for nine days. She watched Apollo passing in his chariot, and prayed for a look of pity. Seeing her wasted with sorrow, the gods took mercy and changed her into the heliotrope. She still lies at length upon the earth and looks toward heaven with half averted eye, waiting for complete forgiveness and acceptance.
According to another myth, all of the flowers were once maidens and all of them embarrassed the sun god Helios. The water nymph Clytie fell so deeply in love with him that for nine days, and nine nights she sat ton the river bank admiring his chariot. The gods took pity on poor Clytie and changed her into the fragrant heliotrope. That's how the heliotrope became the symbol for eternal love. This flower is also used to heal scorpion wounds.
http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/flowers/h.html (http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/flowers/h.html)



"She [the Persian princess Leukothoe] was his [Heliosí] one delight. No longer ... the girl, sad Clytie, who languished for his love, though scorned, and at that moment nursed her wound. All were forgotten for Leucothoe ... Clytie was jealous, for she loved Sol [Helios] beyond all measure. Spurred with anger against that paramour, she published wide the tale of shame and, as it spread, made sure her [Leukothoeís] father knew [and so brought about the death of the maiden] ... But Clytie, although her love might well excuse her grief and grief her tale-baring, the Lord of Light no longer visited; his dalliance was done. She pined and languished, as love and longing stole her wits away. Shunning the Nymphae, beneath the open sky, on the bare ground bare-headed day and night, she sat dishevelled, and for nine long days, with never taste of food or drink, she fed her hunger on her tears and on the dew. There on the ground she stayed; she only gazed upon her god's bright face as he rode by, and turned her head to watch him cross the sky. Her limbs, they say, stuck fast there in the soil; a greenish pallor spread, as part of her changed to a bloodless plant, another part was ruby red, and where her face had been a flower like a violet [a heliotrope] was seen. Though rooted fast, towards the sun she turns; her shape is changed, but still her passion burns." - Ovid, Metamorphoses 4.204 & 234 & 256


Ha. Helios' lover (Leukothea) that he left Klytie for turned into a plant too!


FRANKINCENSE TREE
Greek: Libanos
Species: Boswellia carterii
Description: A tree of southern Arabia whose aromatic gum was imported into Greece as an incense for use in religious ceremonies.
Sacred to: Helios
Mythology: Metamorphosis Leukothoe (http://www.theoi.com/Titan/HeliosLoves.html#Leukothoe) A Persian princess who was loved by the sun-god Helios. When her father learned of the affair, he buried her beneath the sands. Helios then transformed her body into the frankincense tree. (Source: Ovid)
http://www.theoi.com/Flora1.html (http://www.theoi.com/Flora1.html)

And-- the plot thickens :2G:


There was also a beautiful mortal woman in Greek mythology with the variant name LeucothoŽ: a mortal princess, daughter of Orchamus and sister of Clytia, LeucothoŽ was loved by Apollo, who disguised himself as LeucothoŽ's mother to gain entrance to her chambers. Clytia, jealous of her sister because she wanted Apollo for herself, told Orchamus the truth, betraying her sister's trust and confidence in her. Enraged, Orchamus ordered LeucothoŽ, who claimed Apollo had forced her to succumb to his desires, buried alive. Apollo refused to forgive Clytia for betraying his beloved, and a grievous Clytia wilted and slowly died. Apollo changed her into an incense plant, either heliotrope or sunflower, which follows the sun every day.
Leucothea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geutrowFJFW6wA2k5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2ajJ1NDk0BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11qc579dp/EXP=1163137640/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leucothea)


Helios has a habit of turning women into plants :2G:
Which actually makes sense as plants are reliant on the sun to live (photosynthesis).

_Banbha_
November 9th, 2006, 01:34 AM
Great links, Agaliha! There will be much for me to read and post here. :boing:

Agaliha
November 9th, 2006, 01:36 AM
Great links, Agaliha! There will be much for me to read and post here. :boing:

:hahugh: I'm finding lots of cool info. It's all very interesting :reading:
Can't wait for your posts...I wonder which plant it'll be about. Suprises!


ETA: Anyone know what the mulberry bush has to do with monkeys and weasels? (the song)
:huh:

_Banbha_
November 9th, 2006, 02:12 AM
The info about Apollo, Cyltia and Leukothea is very interesting. It seems Apollo is respondsible for many plants and at least one tree...the Laurel (http://gardenaction.co.uk/fruit_veg_diary/fruit_veg_mini_project_september_3_baya.asp) from Daphne (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/d/daphne.html).

Some more Tree links:
Perceptions of Forests (http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y9882e/y9882e08.htm) great article. :)
Folktales and Myths of Trees (http://www.spiritoftrees.org/folktales/featured_tales.html)
The Tree.org (http://www.the-tree.org.uk/)
Trees in Mythology: Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trees_in_mythology)

Zephyrstorm
November 9th, 2006, 02:42 AM
*dies happily*

Thank you Agaliha and Wyldedryad.

I'm currently following breadcrumbs through a forest of clues... including a bunch having to do with trees. :T

When I'm on the other computer I'll add more links in this thread.

In the meantime, Here's Pyramus and Thisbe - Mulberry Tree (http://www.online-mythology.com/pyramus_thisbe/)

Agaliha
November 9th, 2006, 04:06 AM
Some Kemetic based links: (symbolism and myths mentioned)

Ancient Egypt: the Mythology - Tree (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuoSE31JFZg8A6xhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aW9iZXBqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11pcf9s1o/EXP=1163145476/**http%3a//www.egyptianmyths.net/tree.htm)
Ancient Egypt: the Mythology - Papyrus (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupHN31JFKvkAWjhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2ajJ1NDk0BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11sk1p05g/EXP=1163145549/**http%3a//www.egyptianmyths.net/papyrus.htm)
Tree Goddesses of ancient Egypt (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/treegoddess.htm)
The Gardens and Ponds of Ancient Egypt (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/gardens.htm)
Egypt: Hathor, Goddess of Love, Music, Beauty (http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/hathor2.htm) "Lady of the Southern Sycamore "
Egypt: Trees in Egypt (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/trees.htm)
The Flowers of Ancient Egypt and Today (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/flowers.htm)
Egypt: The Egyptian 'Lotus' Nymphaea Caerulea, the Blue Water Lily (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/lotus.htm)
Ancient Egypt: the Mythology - Lotus (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geup0t4VJFDysBeg5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aW9iZXBqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11qfe5bes/EXP=1163145901/**http%3a//www.egyptianmyths.net/lotus.htm)
Egypt: Wadjet, Goddess of Lower Egypt, Papyrus, and Protector of Pharaoh (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/wadjeta.htm) (I love Wadjet, she's cool)

Nitefalle
November 9th, 2006, 11:46 AM
I'm currently learning about the Yew tree, on my quest down the Ogham path. There is TONS of lore out there about it!!! It's one more symbol the Christians appropriated from the Pagans to help make the interfaith crossover. It's a symbol of death, rebirth, slow starts that bear much fruit and immortality. It's also featured in many old Celtic tales (mainly Irish and Scottish). There is even a cancer drug out there that is derived from yew.

Here are some links:

http://www.geocities.com/ancientyew2003/
http://www.druidry.org/obod/trees/yew.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxus_baccata
http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/yew.htm

Zephyrstorm
November 9th, 2006, 12:29 PM
As Promised:

General Plant and Tree Lore
Trees: Lore, Myths, Magick, Facts, Folklore, Legends, esoterica, superstitions http://www.egreenway.com/meditation/treemag.htm
Country Remedies: Tree Lore http://magazines.ivillage.com/countryliving/garden/your/articles/0,,284660_294155,00.html
Tree Lore http://www.geocities.com/astraeaaradia/treelore.html
Under the Greenwood Tree http://www.indigogroup.co.uk/edge/gtree.htm
Mystical WWW: Plants http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/plants.htm
Mystical WWW: Trees http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/trees.htm
Sacred Trees http://www.resurgence.org/resurgence/articles/bates.htm
World Trees: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sunrise/47-97-8/my-hazel.htm
A Bibliography of book on Sacred Trees: http://www.tarahill.com/treelore/treebib.html
Trees: http://www.naturenet.net/trees/index.htm
Trees, forests and Sacred Groves: http://www.agroforestry.net/overstory/overstory93.html
The Green Man: The legend and lore of holiday plants: http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/content/dep/greenman/lore.pdf - LINKS TO A PDF
Fairy Flora: http://www.open-sesame.com/fplants.html
Keltria: Henge Happenings: Tree Legends, Lore and Whimsy: http://www.keltria.org/hengehap/HH71/HH71-BP-Hendrickson.htm
Folklore Cures (Louisiana and N. Florida) http://medinfo.ufl.edu/~medhum/FOLKLORE.htm

Celtic:
The Witches Three: ĎCelticí Tree Calendar http://www.dutchie.org/Tracy/tree.html
the Celts, Trees and the ďCelticĒ calendar http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/3951/dryadart.html

India:
Sacred Groves and Sacred Trees of Uttara Kannada http://www.ignca.nic.in/cd_08008.htm
Sacred Trees of India http://members.tripod.com/holy_98/trees.htm

Specific Species:
White Dragon Pages:
Hawthorn: http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/hawthorn.htm
Birch: http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/lady.htm
Juniper: http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/juniper.htm
Oak: http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/oak.htm
Willow: http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/willow.htm
Rowan: http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/rowan.htm
Elder: http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/elder.htm
Apple: http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/apple.htm
Chestnut Lore: http://www.ppws.vt.edu/griffin/lore.html
Mistletoe: http://www.state.tn.us/environment/tn_consv/archive/mistltoe.htm
Rowan: http://www.objectstyle.org/rowan/lore.html
Myths and Legends of the Holly Tree: http://www.paghat.com/hollymythology.html
Yarrow: http://www.ashtreepublishing.com/Book_City_Herbal_Yarrow.htm
The Linden in July in Poland: http://culture.polishsite.us/articles/art364fr.htm
Almond: http://homecooking.about.com/od/foodlore/a/almondlore.htm
The Sacred Sycamore: http://www.druidry.org/obod/trees/sycamore.html

Flowers:
Language of Flowers: http://www.earthlypursuits.com/FlowerLanguage.htm
Flower Symbolism: http://www.weddingbokay.com/symbol.html
Language of Flowers: http://www.victorianbazaar.com/meanings.html
Flower Superstitions, Folklore, etc: http://www.tidysflowers.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=flower-superstitions
Roses in Folklore : http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/rose_gardening/3368

:hahugh:

Agaliha
November 11th, 2006, 02:04 AM
Wow, thanks Zephyrstorm and Nitefalle!
I gotta check those links out :)

Faol-chu
November 11th, 2006, 09:29 AM
I've been lurking here and waiting for the opportunity (time,etc.) to post some Gaelic folklore and songs I have, and it has not yet materialized. _inabox_

I really hate for my first post in this forum to be 'poo-pooing' something someone else posted about, but I felt a need to respond to this one...

Zephyrstorm posted these links:


Celtic:
The Witches Three: ‘Celtic’ Tree Calendar http://www.dutchie.org/Tracy/tree.html
the Celts, Trees and the “Celtic” calendar http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shir.../dryadart.html (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/3951/dryadart.html)


You need to be aware that, while this is 'modern' folklore, it is by no means 'Celtic' folklore. Take a look at this article, if you'd like to find out why...

The Fabrication of Celtic Astrology, by Peter Berrisford Ellis

http://cura.free.fr/xv/13ellis2.html

You may now continue with your regularly scheduled programming...:)

_Banbha_
November 11th, 2006, 11:03 AM
I've been lurking here and waiting for the opportunity (time,etc.) to post some Gaelic folklore and songs I have, and it has not yet materialized. _inabox_

I really hate for my first post in this forum to be 'poo-pooing' something someone else posted about, but I felt a need to respond to this one...

Zephyrstorm posted these links:




You need to be aware that, while this is 'modern' folklore, it is by no means 'Celtic' folklore. Take a look at this article, if you'd like to find out why...

The Fabrication of Celtic Astrology, by Peter Berrisford Ellis

http://cura.free.fr/xv/13ellis2.html

You may now continue with your regularly scheduled programming...:)

This is one of the few things written by Ellis that I whole-heartedly recommend! Thank you for posting.

I think it's important that we discuss perspectives, put things in context and make distinctions on folklore and myth, just as in any other forum.

There is much modern, poetic weaving that passes itself off as ancient systems followed by Druids. I'm not even sure Graves ever claimed it was anything beyond his own creative musings. And yet, it has taken a life of it's own as 'authentic' by a disturbingly high number in the Pagan community.

From the perspective of many who respect, love and belong to one of the 'Celtic' cultures, it is something of a cultural (mis)appropriation. :fpatricks

That said, Zephyrstorm never claimed these were all ancient folklore links so you are not poo-pooing her contributions at all; but making a distinction that is valuable, and of course, open to discussion. :cheers:

Zephyrstorm
November 11th, 2006, 02:31 PM
I've been lurking here and waiting for the opportunity (time,etc.) to post some Gaelic folklore and songs I have, and it has not yet materialized. _inabox_

I really hate for my first post in this forum to be 'poo-pooing' something someone else posted about, but I felt a need to respond to this one...

Zephyrstorm posted these links:




You need to be aware that, while this is 'modern' folklore, it is by no means 'Celtic' folklore. Take a look at this article, if you'd like to find out why...

The Fabrication of Celtic Astrology, by Peter Berrisford Ellis

http://cura.free.fr/xv/13ellis2.html

You may now continue with your regularly scheduled programming...:)

Precisely why the titles of the links have 'Celtic' instead of Celtic. ;)

Nitefalle
November 13th, 2006, 01:31 PM
This week is going to be my last week musing on the Yew tree, and then my friend and I are going to move "backwards" through the Ogham (is there any real ordering to the symbols?). It appears the next tree is White Poplar, but when looking up info on this, I came across the Aspen or White Aspen, many times. Now, according to most sites, the aspen is in the poplar family - so are the White Poplar and the White Aspen the same tree??? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Agaliha
November 13th, 2006, 05:30 PM
So are the White Poplar and the White Aspen the same tree???
I did a little search and found this:

The White Poplar (Populus alba) is a species of poplar, most closely related to the aspens (Populus sect. Populus).
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Aspens are trees of the willow family and comprise a section of the poplar genus, Populus sect. Populus. There are six species in the section, one of them atypical, and one hybrid:

Populus tremula - Common, Trembling or Eurasian Aspen (northern Europe & Asia)
Populus tremuloides - Quaking, Trembling or American Aspen (northern & western North America)
Populus grandidentata - Bigtooth Aspen (eastern North America, south of P. tremuloides)
Populus adenopoda - Chinese Aspen (China, south of P. tremula)
Populus sieboldii - Japanese Aspen (Japan)
Populus alba - White Poplar (northwest Africa, southern Europe, east to central Asia)
Populus × canescens - Grey Poplar (hybrid P. alba × P. tremula)(wikipedia)

So White Poplar is a tree in the Aspen Family, in fact I think Poplars and Aspens are the same.
I actually didn't find anything called specifically "White Aspen" so it is possible that "White Apen" is just another name for "White Poplar" (as 'alba' in latin means white).

_Banbha_
November 25th, 2006, 10:12 PM
Interesting link. :)

Herbs in Greek Mythology (http://www.herbsociety-stu.org/Mythology.htm)

Agaliha
November 25th, 2006, 11:37 PM
In Hinduism. Some important plants and trees:

Durba Grass (http://www.mantraonnet.com/ss/durba.html)
Betel Leaf or Paan (http://www.mantraonnet.com/ss/betel.html)
The Sacred Mango Tree (http://www.mantraonnet.com/ss/mango.html)
The Sacred Kadali Tree (http://www.mantraonnet.com/ss/kadali.html)
The Sacred Banyan Tree (http://www.mantraonnet.com/ss/banyan.html)
The Sacred Bilva Tree (http://www.mantraonnet.com/ss/bilva.html)
The Sacred Tulsi (http://www.mantraonnet.com/ss/tulsi.html)
That's just one site, I'm looking for more.

Fiamma
November 26th, 2006, 12:08 AM
I find them interesting. Feel free to discuss them here! The world is full of plants :)
ETA: "Plant" includes herbs and other such things.

On my mind lately: sunflowers and pomegranates as well as trees. Oh and the lotus. And magnolia. And some other flowers.
Ones I do not care for: Lavender. Lilac. Some others. Evil plants, totally allergic. That's just me though.
I found some sites I can post later.
Or now. Yeah, I have time. :2G:

Flowers (general):
Flower Lore and Meanings (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuq6Nq1JFJAgAveFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2ajJ1NDk0BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11usbhvrl/EXP=1163132173/**http%3a//www.starfirescircle.com/flower.html)
Flower Magick (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geutivq1JFY9oAizpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aW9iZXBqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=122ntakg1/EXP=1163132207/**http%3a//www.ladyrhiannons.com/FlowerMagick.html)
Flower of Life (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geutivq1JFY9oArzpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZThqMmVuBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTAEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=12ubi7aet/EXP=1163132207/**http%3a//altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsflowerlife.htm)
Flower Lore (http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/flowers/pcd2.html)
Greek myths flower and trees (http://www.theoi.com/Flora1.html)

Trees (General):
Tara Hill: Sacred Woods and the Lore of Trees (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuosnqlJFArAA6VRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aW9iZXBqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11voe9q0b/EXP=1163131815/**http%3a//www.tarahill.com/treelore/trees.html)
MYTHING LINKS / COMMON THEMES: Trees & Plant Lore (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuosnqlJFArAA7lRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2ajJ1NDk0BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11v3fgu4k/EXP=1163131815/**http%3a//www.mythinglinks.org/ct~trees.html)
Sacred Woods and the Lore of Trees (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuosnqlJFArAA9lRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2NGQ3cjIzBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNARzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11l3smnj7/EXP=1163131815/**http%3a//www.tarahill.com/treelore/)
Druidry.org: Tree Lore (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuosnqlJFArAA_lRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2MGd0NDF2BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=1205nqmbi/EXP=1163131815/**http%3a//www.druidry.org/obod/trees/trees.html)
~TREE LORE~ (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuosnqlJFArAAD1VXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZThqMmVuBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTAEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=128v5d78s/EXP=1163131815/**http%3a//members.tripod.com/mistsofmagic/treelore.html)
Trees: Quotes, Poems, Lore, Stories, Myths, Tales (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuunkrFJFDx4AY5FXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3MDB2M2I4BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTQEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=123e6iio9/EXP=1163132516/**http%3a//www.egreenway.com/meditation/treemag.htm)
The Tornhuis: Celtic Tree Lore (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuunkrFJFDx4AZ5FXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3YzBwZnU1BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTUEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=11qbboq5p/EXP=1163132516/**http%3a//www.dutchie.org/Tracy/tree.html)
Dryads and the Properties of Wood (http://bardwood.com/WOODS.HTML)
In Worship of Trees (http://www.controverscial.com/In%20Worship%20of%20Trees.htm)
Dryad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuthNuFJFJOUACa9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aW9iZXBqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11muv5a56/EXP=1163135437/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dryad)
Mythography | Dryads and Hamadryads in Myth and Art (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuthNuFJFJOUADa9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2ajJ1NDk0BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11qi8ajb8/EXP=1163135437/**http%3a//www.loggia.com/myth/dryads.html)
Dryads (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuthNuFJFJOUAFa9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2NGQ3cjIzBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNARzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=122g6o4om/EXP=1163135437/**http%3a//www.pantheon.org/articles/d/dryads.html)

Apples:
Apple Lore (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupV0qlJF5gUBc.1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aW9iZXBqBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11v984ief/EXP=1163131892/**http%3a//pss.uvm.edu/ppp/articles/aplore.html)
Apple Lore I (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupV0qlJF5gUBe.1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2dHA1c3U2BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=127tc8rd6/EXP=1163131892/**http%3a//www.geocities.com/aisha12236/apple_lore.html)
Sisters of the Silver Branch -- Apple Lore (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupV0qlJF5gUBk.1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2bmU1dWwxBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDOQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=124jj3r17/EXP=1163131892/**http%3a//patriot.net/~nachtanz/SSB/ssbapple.html)
Apple Lore and Recipes (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupV0qlJF5gUBl.1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3ZThqMmVuBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTAEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=11vbj04n8/EXP=1163131892/**http%3a//www.suzannesutton.com/apple_lore.htm)
Apple (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geutzqqlJF.wUBqvNXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3bHQzYzJxBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMTIEc2VjA3NyBHZ0aWQDUVNTS F8zNQ--/SIG=12053mnic/EXP=1163132010/**http%3a//www.druidry.org/obod/trees/apple.html)

Pomegranate:
Paghat's Garden: Pomegranate Myths (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuq06q1JFNx0BXQ5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2ajJ1NDk0BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11vjmkc1a/EXP=1163132090/**http%3a//www.paghat.com/pomegranatemyths.html)
Pomegranates Lore and Legends. (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuq06q1JFNx0BYQ5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2dHA1c3U2BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=12irnqq16/EXP=1163132090/**http%3a//homecooking.about.com/od/foodlore/a/pomegranatelore.htm)
FoodTale: POMEGRANATES (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuo9uq1JFKGcANHpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2M2U4MG0yBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANRU1NIX zM1/SIG=11pqt444q/EXP=1163132142/**http%3a//www.soupsong.com/fpomegra.html)


Anyone know of any lore or folkbeliefs dealing with plants/flowers/trees?
Have a favorite plant? Any requests for info?


I don;'t have exact links offhand, but Greek mythology is full of plants and trees and fruit and stuff...
-Hyakinthos (Hyacinth)
-Kyprassios (Cypress)
-Narcissus
-Laurel
-olive
-pomegranate
-grapes
-ivy
-pine

those are the ones that come immediately to mind.

Agaliha
January 16th, 2007, 09:00 AM
I don't think this link was listed yet.
It has tons of info (lore, medicinal, facts) about apples.
APPLE (http://www.the-tree.org.uk/BritishTrees/Apple/apple.htm#Contents)