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Arion
November 10th, 2006, 08:48 PM
For the past three years or so, I have lived and breathed Witchcraft. I came into Paganism through Wicca, and fell in love with it immediately. I loved the idea of seeing nature as sacred, and worshipping both male and female deities. I must admit, the magic part was fun and exciting too, now I could cast spells like witches on TV. Sure the magic was fun, but it was the religious aspects of Wicca that really drew me in. My first ever patron gods were Gaia and Ouranos - Mother Earth and Father Sky. I loved the beauty of it, of worshiping ancient gods. I had always been in love with ancient Greece, and now I could incorporate it into my spirituality. As my practice evolved, I decided I wanted more a more specific patron god and goddess, but I couldn't figure out who. I was drawn to Aphrodite out of the blue, and after reading about her, I knew she was the goddess whose presence I had been feeling, and that I needed to honour her. As I "worked" with Aphrodite more deeply, I began to be even more attracted to Greek religious practices. I studied the other Gods and their epithets. One day while I was out in the yard, I just had this weird feeling and was compelled to go near the ivy growing on my house. In my head I heard the name "Dionysus," who I knew vaguely as the Greek god of wine. That night I read more about him, and how he was a god of ecstasy, nature, liberation, and how he was associated with... ivy.

So I had a god and a goddess to honour as the divine pair of Wicca. In my mind, as I had read, these were the Goddess and God, and I just used the names Aphrodite and Dionysus in my rituals out of preference, right? I was about to get a reality check. Hekate had always interested me, so when I was up north visiting my aunt at her cottage, I found a little shop that sold all sorts of neat Pagan things, and a Hekate pendant was one of them. I figured she was just another name for "the Goddess" so I bought it. Well, that night Hekate showed me who was boss! The most violent thunderstorm I had EVER seen occured that night. The thunder was so loud and strong it shook the cottage. The wind was fierce, the lightning was big and bright. I stood on the front porch watching it, just in awe of Nature. I just knew it was Hekate, I could just feel it, and it was certainly different than my feeling of Aphrodite. So I learned there was more than just one goddess, and how different the gods could be. Now I had 3 patron deities, what was I to do?

I went on worshipping all three of them, but I wasn't relating to Wicca much anymore. Not the duality/polarity/fertility aspects, or the casting circles or calling quarters, which I didn't see the point of. I started looking into the Feri tradition of Witchcraft, which I had read about in Starhawk's book "The Spiral Dance." It was fascinating, and there was a very queer essence to it, and being a homosexual person, I found intriguing. I got information on it, started working the exercizes, and practicing Witchcraft the Feri way. I started casting circles and all that again. Although Feri is very open to "working" with whatever deities you want, I took some space from my Greek deities and started working only with the Feri pantheon. It wasn't bad, i liked a few of the Gods, but some I couldn't relate to at all. What I did like about Feri was the pansexual nature of it, the "queer" perspective of the universe and the deities, not being limited to male and female gender roles, but having gender being fluid. I liked how there was no set moral code, like in Wicca. Morality was left up to the practitioner to make their own judgements, and not have all of us live by one single rule.

A few months ago, I started missing my Greek deities,and started incorporating them back in. The more I studied, the more I was drawn to the historical aspects of Greek religion and culture, and I was really drawn to Hellenic reconstructionism. About the same time, i was going through a bit of a personal crisis, and was deeply involved in Feri work to try and work things out. I felt like it wouldn't be a good idea to give up on Feri in the middle of the work, and I still was quite into it. My Greek gods became a part of my regular practice, and I continued to work within Feri.

Lately, I've been going through another transition. I no longer relate to religious Witchcraft at all, whether it is Feri, Wicca or otherwise. I don't believe in a supreme being liek the Star Goddess of Feri or the Goddess and God of Wicca. I am a hard polytheist, and I see every god as a distinct individual. I don't believe in the practice of magic anymore, and I don't really care about Earth, Air, Fire and Water. I don't see the point of casting circles or calling quarters. I don't know if I ever actually related to any of this, it just seemed like these are the beliefs and practices that were available and the closest I could get to what I could relate to. I feel, and have always felt, a deep spiritual connection to ancient Greece, and I want to strip away all the witchy, neo-pagan crap that has been inhibiting me, and pursue Greek paganism, purely. From what I have read about Hellenismos, I seem to relate to it a whole lot better, it's kind like a "coming home" feeling. I feel like this is the religion I want to be a part of.

I never felt fully at home in Witchcraft. It didn't feel real to me. i tried, since it is a fascinating and beautiful path, but it is not for me. In Feri, there is a lot of personal work that is done. Meditiational exercizes meant to nurture the spirit, heal spiritual wounds, strengthen the connection of the three souls, but I don't feel like I ever got anything out of them. I'm sure there are plenty of people who do, but I don't feel like they made much of a difference in me, although I tried to tell myself otherwise. For me, it just made me feel like there was something wrong with me that needed constant attention and healing. I no longer believe this, I've come to accept myself the way I am now that I have stripped away the new age witchcrafty beliefs. I don't need healing, I am fine the way I am.

I do sort of feel like I'm letting down certain people who have really helped me through learning Feri. I know they wouldn't feel let down and would support any choices I make, but still, I kind of feel like I'm making all their guidance go to waste. I did learn a lot from Wicca, and especially from Feri, I just don't feel like i can fully relate to it anymore. It's been clear since the beginning that ancient Greek religion is a strong influence on me, it just took me a while to get out of the neo pagan mold.

Whew, what a ridiculously long rant. I just felt the need to get this off my chest and explain what I'm going through, so I don't come off as fickle, jumping from one path to another. It isn't like that, not that I need to justify anything either. I'm still young and I'm discovering. What an epic post, maybe I should become a novelist or something.

~Jaida~
November 10th, 2006, 09:35 PM
I do sort of feel like I'm letting down certain people who have really helped me through learning Feri. I know they wouldn't feel let down and would support any choices I make, but still, I kind of feel like I'm making all their guidance go to waste. I did learn a lot from Wicca, and especially from Feri, I just don't feel like i can fully relate to it anymore. It's been clear since the beginning that ancient Greek religion is a strong influence on me, it just took me a while to get out of the neo pagan mold.


I think that your path so far has been a path of learning and finding yourself. The people that have taught you thus far should be proud of how you've grown in your paths.

Hopefully the Greek religion is your path and you've finally traveled all that you need to. I am still searching myself.

Congrats on your new decision and I hope it brings you what you need.

{hugz}
Jaida

Theres
November 11th, 2006, 12:38 AM
:)

Lunacie
November 11th, 2006, 12:53 AM
That's an amazing journey, and somehow I think it's not over for you. ;)

But I would like to take a moment to point out that those who think Wicca has a moral ruling called the Wiccan Rede that means that we are never supposed to harm anyone or anything - doesn't really understand the history and the meaning of the entire Rede. There are at least a couple of threads right here on MW where the meaning of the Rede is discussed. Those who are interested can use the "search" feature to learn more about this subject.

Arion
November 11th, 2006, 03:36 PM
Thanks to all who replied, and kudos to you for reading such a lengthy post ;)

Sage Rainsong
November 11th, 2006, 09:40 PM
I do sort of feel like I'm letting down certain people who have really helped me through learning Feri.

I don't think that leaving the Feri tradition would be letting them down. Learning about the tradition was probably a vital step in your spirituality. Even if it is to only learn about what you don't want. Good luck on your new path PP.

Hærfest Leah
November 22nd, 2006, 12:34 AM
Sounds to me like you went thru the same thing everyone else does who leaves Wicca, the same realizations.


Lately, I've been going through another transition. I no longer relate to religious Witchcraft at all, whether it is Feri, Wicca or otherwise. I don't believe in a supreme being liek the Star Goddess of Feri or the Goddess and God of Wicca.I am a hard polytheist, and I see every god as a distinct individual........... I feel, and have always felt, a deep spiritual connection to ancient Greece, and I want to strip away all the witchy, neo-pagan crap that has been inhibiting me, and pursue Greek paganism, purely. From what I have read about Hellenismos, I seem to relate to it a whole lot better, it's kind like a "coming home" feeling. I feel like this is the religion I want to be a part of.

You sound like a recon to me. Welcome home.

Arion
November 22nd, 2006, 12:39 AM
Sounds to me like you went thru the same thing everyone else does who leaves Wicca, the same realizations.

You sound like a recon to me. Welcome home.

Thank you :)

MajorTal
November 22nd, 2006, 03:19 AM
My husband started on a very similar path that you are on. He started out with the Gothy-Wiccan girls in HS, which led to him finding his familial path through his grandmothers folkways and a shamanistic look at life, and has recently fully embraced his Norse ancestry with Asatru.
To be ever evolving is the only way to survive. Stagnancy leads to death.....spiritually speaking.
The Recon path is wide open to you,and I see the Greek deities as being polyamorous myself, in that the greeks didn't have such an issue with same-sex love(either gender), and it was encouraged.....
tuppence

Xirian
November 22nd, 2006, 09:27 AM
To be ever evolving is the only way to survive.
I couldn't agree more, that is what my path is all about really.

Fiamma
November 22nd, 2006, 10:07 AM
I do sort of feel like I'm letting down certain people who have really helped me through learning Feri. I know they wouldn't feel let down and would support any choices I make, but still, I kind of feel like I'm making all their guidance go to waste. I did learn a lot from Wicca, and especially from Feri, I just don't feel like i can fully relate to it anymore. It's been clear since the beginning that ancient Greek religion is a strong influence on me, it just took me a while to get out of the neo pagan mold.

Whew, what a ridiculously long rant. I just felt the need to get this off my chest and explain what I'm going through, so I don't come off as fickle, jumping from one path to another. It isn't like that, not that I need to justify anything either. I'm still young and I'm discovering. What an epic post, maybe I should become a novelist or something.


I don't thnk you should feel like your letting these people down. They have taught you much, and you will keep that with you. They may feel some degree of loss for you leavig the tradition, but it's not necessarily the same thing.

If they do feel that they've been let down, I can only remind you that religion is a personal thing and if the Feri tradition is no longer right for you, it would be detrimental for all involved for you to stay and try to force a connection that is no longer in you.

It definitely sounds to me like you're not fickle and jumping around. It sounds like you've had a lot of thought into this...and I know from personal experience that when the Greek gods are calling you, they are calling you, and somehow or other they will find a way to bring you to them.

David19
November 23rd, 2006, 06:27 PM
I agree with what others have said, you're not letting people down, you have to do what's right for you, and as others have said, your spirituality will evolve, otherwise it'd stagnate and die.

You've probably learnt a lot from Feri, and Wicca too, and you might carry what you've learnt with you, but i think you'll he happier doing what's right for you e.g. going to the Greek gods and being a recon.

I remember when i got into Wicca, first of all, i thought it'd be the religion for me, but it wasn't, i like it, it's a cool religion, it's just not for me, and i never felt right with the common 'all gods are 1 god, etc' thing, it just felt like there were a lot, and i mean a lot, more gods than just 2 (i know there are 'hard' polytheistic Wiccans, though), now i have no idea of the exact path or religion for me, but i think Sumerian reconstructionism or possibly Hellenic reconstructionism is for me, i guess we'll wait and see.

And if you wanted you could still practice magic, if it felt right, there's a lot more to magic than just religious Witchcraft, and i think magic was practiced in a lot of areas of ancient Greece (right?).

Anyway, good luck on your new path, and keep us informed how it goes :).

Oonagh
November 23rd, 2006, 11:56 PM
I personally left a rather severe Wiccan path to follow a more open and eclectic wiccan-pagan path. I have found it more and more difficult to adhere to specifics and rules as I have gotten older. I do however still consider myself a witch and my path primarily wiccan, just not so itchy and over structured.

I think the most awesome part of this whole thread is the fact that, in learning more on each path taken, it led in yet another direction, but there is no judgement (or there shouldn't be) in any form of what I will term as alternative paths as opposed to those in the mainstream.

It's not like if one were a member of a set in stone this is how it is religion. One certainly couldn't come forward to their peers or church or meeting group in one of those and say, this isn't my path or where I'm being led. In many of those they would be ostracized, in some they would be stoned.

But, on the varying Paths of (again I group to leave none out) the alternative when one comes forward with the changes learning and life has brought them too it is with love, understanding, well wishes and interest of how things are going.

HOW COOL IS THAT?

I think and I have said many times before, it has to be what works for you. Everyone can't be right, and they are not all wrong either. So a bit of this and a pinch of that can be exactly what one needs.

I wish you an awesome journey on this new path, I'm sure that you will keep learning new things at every stopping place, and you never know if there is yet another turn somewhere down the road. Just be happy and at peace and the rest, no matter what or where will fall into place accordingly.

Arion
November 24th, 2006, 03:28 PM
My husband started on a very similar path that you are on. He started out with the Gothy-Wiccan girls in HS
Sounds familiar...:lol:

Arion
November 24th, 2006, 03:57 PM
It definitely sounds to me like you're not fickle and jumping around. It sounds like you've had a lot of thought into this...and I know from personal experience that when the Greek gods are calling you, they are calling you, and somehow or other they will find a way to bring you to them.
Thanks, that helps a lot. I'm glad it doesn't seem fickle, although sometimes I feel fickle and indecisive, and it helps to know I'm not being judged like that.

I agree with what others have said, you're not letting people down, you have to do what's right for you, and as others have said, your spirituality will evolve, otherwise it'd stagnate and die.

You've probably learnt a lot from Feri, and Wicca too, and you might carry what you've learnt with you, but i think you'll he happier doing what's right for you e.g. going to the Greek gods and being a recon.

I remember when i got into Wicca, first of all, i thought it'd be the religion for me, but it wasn't, i like it, it's a cool religion, it's just not for me, and i never felt right with the common 'all gods are 1 god, etc' thing, it just felt like there were a lot, and i mean a lot, more gods than just 2 (i know there are 'hard' polytheistic Wiccans, though), now i have no idea of the exact path or religion for me, but i think Sumerian reconstructionism or possibly Hellenic reconstructionism is for me, i guess we'll wait and see.

And if you wanted you could still practice magic, if it felt right, there's a lot more to magic than just religious Witchcraft, and i think magic was practiced in a lot of areas of ancient Greece (right?).

Anyway, good luck on your new path, and keep us informed how it goes :).

Thanks David :)

I don't know about practising magic, I don't really believe in it the way I did when I was entusiastic about the whole Witch thing. The whole process of spell-casting was fun, but the actual results I got weren't very good (if there were even results at all). Magic seems imaginary to me, and I don't really believe in casting spells. This is just my perspective though, there are clearly many people who do believe in magic and rely on it. To each his/her own.

I wouldn't call myself an actual recon yet. I still have a lot of research and studying to do to fully understand the ancient practices and what they were. For now, all I know is that I worship Greek gods. I'm not following any specific path as of yet, but I'm heavily researching Greek Reconstructionism.

Hopefully you figure out a path for yourself and decide between Greek or Sumerian recon. My advice is to just wait to see which gods call you.

David19
November 24th, 2006, 04:48 PM
Thanks David :)

That's ok ;).


I don't know about practising magic, I don't really believe in it the way I did when I was entusiastic about the whole Witch thing. The whole process of spell-casting was fun, but the actual results I got weren't very good (if there were even results at all). Magic seems imaginary to me, and I don't really believe in casting spells. This is just my perspective though, there are clearly many people who do believe in magic and rely on it. To each his/her own.

I want to practice magic, but i'd keep my religion seperate from it, i think magic does take hard work and dedication to get results, so that's probably where i've been going wrong ;) :lol:.

But, you don't need to practice magic (although, due to Wicca being the largest Pagan religion, being a Pagan and practicing magic are thought to go 'hand in hand', which can be annoying for some).


I wouldn't call myself an actual recon yet. I still have a lot of research and studying to do to fully understand the ancient practices and what they were. For now, all I know is that I worship Greek gods. I'm not following any specific path as of yet, but I'm heavily researching Greek Reconstructionism.

A great Sumerian recon (actually 2 Sumerians) told me that before you become a full recon, to start out, you need (or should) learn all about the culture, the religion, etc, then you'll know about the gods, the way they were worshipped, the culture (everything about them, etc), etc.


Hopefully you figure out a path for yourself and decide between Greek or Sumerian recon. My advice is to just wait to see which gods call you.

That is good advice, and i'll hopefully see what god(s) come for me, Sumerian reconstructionism and Hellenic reconstructionism are definantly the main 2 that i'm interested in, but i'm just taking my time, 'cause i don't think entering a religion is something to be entered into lightly (it's one of the things i like about Judaism, in that, they make sure you are absolutly dedicated before accepting you, and is one of the reasons they don't covert people, also, one of the reasons, why it's not a huge religion).