PG 13 Talkin about Sexuality

[Alphyna]

This is not about sex itself, but of sexual orientation. I don't know about any of you, but I feel kinda lost and alone in the world of bisexuals. I know I would benefit if I had other people who understood to talk to. Does anyone agree?
Let me know....
BB, Sarah

[kblackthorne]

I don't know about any of you, but I feel kinda lost and alone in the world of bisexuals

Not quite sure how to take this one. Do you mean you're surrounded by bisexuals, and aren't one, and so feel lost? Or that you are one, and feel lost because you're not quite on either side of the fence, not at home on either end of the spectrum?

I haven't answered your poll, because I don' like any of the options... I am who I am, and am quite comfortable with it, and can hear about your life or not as you see fit or feel the need to talk. (Where was that option? :p )

And so you know where I'm coming from on this, I am a bisexual. I'm more likely, on average, to find a female physically attractive. I was once married to a woman, but that didn't work out (She wasn't ready.) I am currently married (very happily) to a man.

And I am perfectly open to discussing anything you would like to. And if you need to go non-PG13, you can always do it via PM, where no one else has to read it.

[Flar's Freyja]

Hmmm, not sure what "whatever" means in your response choices, so I didn't answer the poll. I've been blessed with opportunities to know wonderful people of all sexual orientations and am grateful for the knowledge, acceptance and understanding that I have received through them. At this point in my life, shall we say "mature," I'm heterosexual - but am open to new experiences if they should present themselves. One of my most admired people is gay, and she made a statement to me once that I've never forgotten:

It's not the gender, it's the person.

[Man/Wolf]

I'm gonna have to agree with kblackthorne, your statement about bisexuals is ambiguous, at best.
There are, I would assume, many non-practicing bisexuals. They are non-practicing or non-participating because of a commitment to a partner or fear of an STD or both.

[kblackthorne]

It's not the gender, it's the person.

Exactly. I fall in love with people. The body they happen to be wearing at the moment is rather irrelevant.

Man/Wolf,

Sometimes, too, they're "non-active" because they just haven't met someone of the same sex who they've been attracted to who's been available. (And there are lots of ways to be un-available...)

And what, exactly, does it take for a Bi-sexual to be "non-practicing"? Am I suddenly not Bi because I'm with a man? (Does that make me "straight"?) Or am I suddenly not Bi because I'm in a committed relationship with a woman? (Does that make me "lesbian"?)

On my honeymoon last spring, my new husband & I went to a gay-rights event that was put on by my cousin. Afterwards, as we were sitting around talking with my cousin & some of his friends, I had a gay man get very angry at me for saying I was Bi when I was married to a man... how could it mean anything to say that?

Well, it means something because it is true. My husband is married to me -- does that mean he stops finding other women attractive? No. It means he doesn't pursue other attractive women, or respond if they pursue him. (Note: Flirtation is not necessarily "pursuit". Flirting's OK -- it's when it goes beyond that...)

Well, the same applies to me.

And I'm rather pleased that I actually got the boor to understand!

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Alphyna
This is not about sex itself, but of sexual orientation. I don't know about any of you, but I feel kinda lost and alone in the world of bisexuals. I know I would benefit if I had other people who understood to talk to. Does anyone agree?
Let me know....
BB, Sarah

I hear you sister.

Seems like everyone and their brother is bi these days. It's getting hard to find a straight guy to quaff a brew with, or a girl who doesn't oggle other girls.

It's like bi is "in".

- Ill

[Phoenix Blue]

I'm not sure a girl who ogles other girls is necessarily a bad thing. . . :p

[WandererInGray]

*laughs helplessly and shakes head*

[kblackthorne]

It's like bi is "in".

Or perhaps, like people are becoming more aware of the breath of their own sexuality?

[Phoenix Blue]

I'm with Kat on this one. I don't think sexual orientation is a matter of 100% this-category-or-that-one. There're more colors to the world than black and white, after all, and each of those colors comes in myriad hues and shades.

[WandererInGray]

*nods in agreement*

I agree with that too.

[Earthcup]

Yeah, gay is in, bi is in, Wicca is in, Pagan is in, miniskirts are in, boots are in, Austen is in...:rotfl:

Being bi is kinda confusing for awhile. Hell, gender and sex is confusing! Eventually I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb... ummm, I mean being bi! :D

Non-practicing! I love it! No longer a dateless loser I can now tell my grandma I'm non-practicing! :rotfl:

[Phoenix Blue]

**Shrugs** Just love who you love, and leave the rest to people who aren't getting enough.

[Alphyna]

Okay, sorry if I was not clear on this, I wrote it kinda fast. :)
I have always lived to fall in love with a person, always left the gender open. I found a man I married and had 2 kids with. Then after 2 yrs together, I met a woman and non-intentionally fell in love with her. I never acted on it b/c I believe in the vows we took, and I tried to get over it. but now I feel every once in awhile, lately more often, thinking about this other women. I totally love where I am with my husband, but I am having a hard time coping with my feelings for her. Does this make any sense? I feel alone in the sense that I don't have anyone to talk to and understand, I feel like I am 2 different people, one straight, and the other lesbian and I am struggling for control. Sorry about the poll. It was my first one and I was not sure what to list as options
Hope this cleared things up. :D
Much Love and Peace to All, Sarah

[Alphyna]

I posted it PG 13 b/c some parents don't approve of their children talking about sexual orientation.
;)
Sarah

[Myst]

Seems to me you should approach it the same way you would if you were considering these feelings of another man. Maybe you should seek marriage counselling or talk to your husband.

The fact that you have interests in another woman may make you more confused but when it comes down to it this is a matter of a possible problem in your marriage.

[GreenDawn]

I don't know- it usually depends on the mood,lol!

Seriously though, I have many friends of every kind (sexual orientation)- I love them all. Each person has a small part of me because each one is special. I personally, have been bi for a while- I usually joke that it doubles my chances of getting... well, back to the subject. It can get lonely and confusing in this BI-PC-World of ours. Everyone not really knowing if it is okay or even proper to make the move, not knowing if they are sexually the same as you (bi) -disease free. I have been on the hunt for a short time- lately- and have found no one that has caught my eye or I feel I am kind of not sure of the reaction (rejection fear :confused: ) When I was a tad younger- it seemed so easy to find someone- but now my tastes have matured- so pickin's is slim,lol!

I hope this helps to know I understand (I think) the question or reaction you were needing to hear.

[GreenDawn]

I have to agree with Myst- if your husband appears to be "open-minded" you need to discuss this matter with him. If he is not, then it may be time to weigh the options- stable relationship vs unknown encounter. Do you even know if this woman is bi/les? It could ruin a beautiful friendship or it could be the beginning to a new one. It is a big chance you are taking- and you need to take a lot of info and sit down (list making time) sort stuff out.

[Flaire-FireStar]

Originally posted by Phoenix_Blue
**Shrugs** Just love who you love, and leave the rest to people who aren't getting enough.

That's true....I don't think it really matters who you fall in love with, as long as they love you back.

[Alphyna]

I can not really approach this like another man, b/c it is about what a man does not have. It is the femininty of a woman...ummm, let's see...Okat. I am happy with mu husband, do not want to leave him..but every once in awhile I remeber the other life i could be leading. It's like anything else in life. Something you gave up to have what was true...I gave up that possible lifestyle to live the beautiful life I have with my husband, but sometimes the "lesbian" in me surfaces again. And it's "her" I have a hard time coping with.
Okay now yo probably think I am totally crazy, :crazy: :ahhhh: :eyebrow: :lol:
but what I was just looking for was someone to talk to. :(
I am really not good at making myself clear, I was just hoping thjat within the 2000+ members, there might have been somebody to talk to.
I will never cheat on my husband, I rspect and love him dearly, but sometimes that other part of me surfaces, and I can get confused, and wonder, but I would never act on it b/c I am loyal and confident in the choice I made. It's just kinda hard to get through alone so I was looking for support...Sorry for the confusion.
Sarah

[kblackthorne]

Bingo, Myst! You nailed it.

Talk to him.

And it doesn't somehow "count less" or "count different" because she's a woman.

Talk to him.

He may end up being that person you can talk to and have understand... after all, he is attracted to women, too. And if he can't handle this at first, maybe you talk to him with a counselor. (That might not be a bad idea, anyway. It sounds like you could use a good marriage counselor right not.)

Think about if the situation were reversed: Would you want him to keep it from you? Or would you want to know.


I posted it PG 13 b/c some parents don't approve of their children talking about sexual orientation.

I got that. I just didn't know where you were, what was going on, and realized that in the course of a discussion like this, you might need to slip over into the "R" rating... which the site moderators would prefer we didn't do where children could stumble upon it.

[Myst]

You know, that happens with people who are straight too. People tend to wonder what "could've been", or think about others they could be with, regardless of anyone's orientation. In your case you're attracted to the femininity, whereas in someone else's case, they might be attracted to the things they have in common with another person, or the way a person looks, regardless of gender.

I imagine it's why some people are polyamorous.

As someone mentioned here, you are attracted to whoever you're attracted to - it doesn't really matter either way. Whether you're attracted to another woman or another man, you're attracted to someone you're not married to. This happens to a lot of people - we get engaged, or married, we don't go blind or die.

Regardless, there's a thread on polyamoury here (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8253&highlight=polyamoury), but you might have more luck finding someone who understands how you feel on a board for polyamorous people or one specifically catering to those of various orientations. We're glad you feel comfortable enough to ask here for help, but as MW isn't a board for discussing sexuality or relationships, you can imagine that there isn't necessarily going to be a large number of people ready or needing to talk about it here. Try using a search engine and see what you can find. I'm sure there are others who understand how you feel

[kblackthorne]

I started that reply right after Myst's, then got a phone call & had to go to the hospital. (My husband was unexpectedly admitted.)

Several hours later I hit "Send", and saw that Sarah had posted again.

It is late now, & I'm too tired to read what else has been said.

Please bear with me!

[Man/Wolf]

Perhaps non-practicing was a bad choice of terms. I think you all know what I meant. It means you have your feelings and attractions for a person, regardless of gender, but you don't pursue him or her for any number of reasons. I only mentioned two because they are my main reasons and I can only speak for myself.
:)

^..^

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Alphyna
Okay, sorry if I was not clear on this, I wrote it kinda fast. :)
I have always lived to fall in love with a person, always left the gender open. I found a man I married and had 2 kids with. Then after 2 yrs together, I met a woman and non-intentionally fell in love with her. I never acted on it b/c I believe in the vows we took, and I tried to get over it. but now I feel every once in awhile, lately more often, thinking about this other women. I totally love where I am with my husband, but I am having a hard time coping with my feelings for her. Does this make any sense? I feel alone in the sense that I don't have anyone to talk to and understand, I feel like I am 2 different people, one straight, and the other lesbian and I am struggling for control. Sorry about the poll. It was my first one and I was not sure what to list as options
Hope this cleared things up. :D
Much Love and Peace to All, Sarah

Well, if you love your children, you're going to want them to have a stable, two parent, mother and father upbringing.

If you don't, well, then go nuts. Just remember that Divorce usually messes children up in the long term.

[Phoenix Blue]

Quoth Illuminatus:
Well, if you love your children, you're going to want them to have a stable, two parent, mother and father upbringing.

If you don't, well, then go nuts. Just remember that Divorce usually messes children up in the long term.

"Mother and father" upbringings are not by definition stable simply because they're the norm--if Daddy gives Mommy a new bruise every night, I daresay the child would be better off with the two parents separated.

It's not so much the divorce itself that messes kids up, as it is parents who A) choose to use their kids against the other parent during a divorce proceeding, and B) don't explain to their children that Mommy and Daddy not getting along isn't the children's fault.

[WandererInGray]

Originally posted by Illuminatus
Well, if you love your children, you're going to want them to have a stable, two parent, mother and father upbringing.

If you don't, well, then go nuts. Just remember that Divorce usually messes children up in the long term.

*snorts* Whatever.

When children are loved...they know it, regardless of if they're being raised by two women, two men, a man and wife, grandparents, aunts, loving foster parents, a single parent, etc.

If that were really the case, there would be a heck of a lot more "messed up" people out there than there really are.

"Stable, two parent, mother and father upbringing" being necessary for a child's "proper" development is just a tag-line that the Religious Right has been using because they're entirely too eager to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.

[Myst]

There are many children who don't know their parents love them, despite whether the parents think they have "shown love". This is also despite whether they have a mom and dad etc.

If you want to argue parents/sexuality and the raising of children perhaps you should start a new thread. I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think it belongs here; I'm sure the person who started this thread would appreciate that we keep to her problem rather then getting into heated debate about something semi related.

[WandererInGray]

*nods* My apologies Alphyna, that's a hot-button issue for me. *smiles*

Back to the topic at hand....

Talk to your husband. Communication is Everything...and unfortunately the least used tool in a relationship. He's never going to know how you're feeling unless you tell him...and you're never going to know how he's feeling unless you ask.

[Alphyna]

Yeah you guys are right. I should talk to him. I always talked to him in the past, and when this originally happened, he was my confidant. I told him evrything. But now that these feelings have come into memory again, I felt like it might hurt him to bring it up again. I just wanted to see if I could resolve it on my own without hurting him again. But I think that would be the best thing to do. Divorce is never an option, unless there comes a time where we want to go seperate ways, but we don't want that. I want a monogomous relationship with him. It is just these feelings have come back to haunt me again. I think it is b/c I never really had closer with her. We just kinda drifted. I have asked Dustin if he would mind if I talked to her again. I am fairly confident that intimate feelings towards her have passed, it is just a mourning now of the friendship.
Thanks everyone for helping me sort through this. :)
Sarah

[Man/Wolf]

Good Luck Alphyna. As long as you're talking, things have a chance of being worked through. It's when the talking stops and assumptions start that the breakdowns occur.

[cybadiva]

I agree with Myst wholeheartedly here, the problem seems to be that you agonising because you feel like


I am 2 different people, one straight, and the other lesbian and I am struggling for control.

Consider that sexuality is not rooted in gender but just depends on who takes your fancy. For example, I have never had a sexual relationship with someone of the opposite sex but that doesn't prevent me from finding other females sexually attractive - but like you I am 100% committed to my partner and wouldn't betray him like that. Same situation as if I was sexually attracted to another man.

So I think you should just treat it precisely like it was a man you fell for - the lesbian vs straight thing is just confusing you more IMO - you don't have to 'be' one or the other (or even in between!) they're just two aspects of your personality, you don't have to label them, or 'control' them - most people don't even acknowledge them! Feel good about yourself because you're more in touch with your sexuality than most. Feel safe to acknowledge and accept your sexual feelings, you're 100% committed to your husband - there's nothing you can't get thru' together :)

[kblackthorne]

quoth Manwolf...
Perhaps non-practicing was a bad choice of terms.

No, I got you. But I ran with the phrase because I have heard others use it in the ways I indicated.

And at that point, it still wasn't clear where Alphyna was coming from, so it seemed possible this was exactly what was on her mind. :)

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by WandererInGray


*snorts* Whatever.

When children are loved...they know it, regardless of if they're being raised by two women, two men, a man and wife, grandparents, aunts, loving foster parents, a single parent, etc.

If that were really the case, there would be a heck of a lot more "messed up" people out there than there really are.

"Stable, two parent, mother and father upbringing" being necessary for a child's "proper" development is just a tag-line that the Religious Right has been using because they're entirely too eager to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.

* snorts back *. Love. Love solves everything. ON THE LIFETIME: TV FOR WOMENS CHANNEL MAYBE!!!!!

Hello!!! In the real world, these are the priorities that give your children a healthy upbringing, which too many people seem to ignore

Food
Health Care
Stable Two Parent upbringing
Discipline (explanation of borders and proper behavior)
Love

See!!!! Love comes in fifth. Actually, there's other stuff that should come before love, like Instruction.

[Phoenix Blue]

Quoth Illuminatus:
Hello!!! In the real world, these are the priorities that give your children a healthy upbringing, which too many people seem to ignore

Food
Health Care
Stable Two Parent upbringing
Discipline (explanation of borders and proper behavior)
Love


Oh, nonsense.

I was hatched from an ostrich egg and raised by a pack of wolves, and I turned out just fine.

:nyah:

[Earthcup]

What about respect? I think that's very important myself....

I was a changeling and all I really needed was paper, pens and moss but noooo I got stuck with the mushy love stuff..... :lol:

[kblackthorne]

Food
Health Care
Stable Two Parent upbringing
Discipline (explanation of borders and proper behavior)
Love

Really hard to disagree with... except for the "two parent" part.

Why can't "stable upbringing" stand on its own?

Why does it have to be two parents?

And why do they have to be the parents in the first place?

And which is more important, the stability, or the number of parents?

Perhaps because you feel so strongly, you don't realize that what you seem to be doing is shouting opinion at the top of your lungs without backing up that opinion or explaining why you hold it. I'm not saying opinion is bad. I'm just saying I'd like to know WHY you hold this one. It isn't obvious to me, and judging from answers others have given, I'd say it isn't obvious to them, either. So where are you coming from?

Hm.... I think I'm going to ask the mods is this discussion can't be broken off from the original thread... we seem to have strayed pretty frirmly off-topic.

[Alphyna]

Just so everyone knows, my life is totally back on track...I was having enormous mood swings and confusion....I just had a babe 5 mths ago, and I always forget that little question period I go through before my body gets back on track. I only love Dustin, and will always treasure our life together. I wish our love to everyone. Thank you all for hearing my emotional rambles!
Oh, Illuminatus, do you by any chance have children? ;)
Two parents are not necessary! If 2 parents are needed, what happens if one of them passes on? What then? Does the child have a bad upbringing b/c they only have one parent? Or does the child find an inner strength earlier on in life? Always look for the positive. Not always in a 2 parent relationship are both parents actually parenting.
Smiles to All, Sarah

[Myst]

Originally posted by kblackthorne
Why can't "stable upbringing" stand on its own?

Why does it have to be two parents?

Because for a lot of people they need a female and male role model. Watch Jerry Springer to see girls who grow up without fathers (and no I did not say that all girls who grow up without fathers are like the ones on Springer). Mind you certainly a positive gender role model doesn't have to be a parent.

Does that mean a child can't be raised well with one parent or two of the same gender? Obviously not. However...

"Risk factors associated with child abuse and neglect are:-[ref 12]
Family poverty
Family stress
Single parent family " - http://home.netcom.com/~fjobrien/gstats.html

http://www.wesleymission.org.au/publications/r&d/introduction.html
http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/data/bulletins/crime/07_child/bull_crime07.htm#Family type

"70% of our prison population were raised in single parent homes."

http://www.fcnetwork.org/programs/pact.html

"A survey of 108 rapists undertaken by Raymond A. Knight and Robert A. Prentky revealed the 60 percent came from female-headed homes,. 70 percent of those describable as 'violent' came from female-headed homes. 80 percent of those motivated by 'displaced anger' came from female-headed (single-parent) homes."

http://www.divorcereform.org/crime.html

"Children reared in fatherless homes are more than twice as likely to
become male adolescent delinquents or teen mothers, according to a
significant new study by two economists at the University of
California, Santa Barbara."

http://patriot.net/~crouch/adc/jds.html

I don't expect you to agree that children should be raised in a mother/father type family, and in fact I don't think kids have to be. However, I just wanted to point out that there are statistics and information that might make some basis for what Ill is saying. I don't agree with that idea either, but it's not unheard of.

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by Myst


Mind you certainly a positive gender role model doesn't have to be a parent.

Does that mean a child can't be raised well with one parent or two of the same gender? Obviously not. However...

"Risk factors associated with child abuse and neglect are:-[ref 12]
Family poverty
Family stress
Single parent family " -

Very true, but this can be overcome when the right factors are in the family's environment. I raised three sons alone and supported their involvement in extracurricular activities and church. I attended every single of of their events even if I had to sit there by myself. And there were some negative male role models among the athletic coaches - I caused one of them to be reprimanded. I was fortunate that most of these individuals were caring, supportive people. I also supported my sons' relationship with their father no matter what my opinion of him was and I feel that this has benefited them greatly. The youngest is 19 now and they've all figured him out on their own. My standard speech to the parents I work with is that children need both of their parents and they don't necessarily have to live together. I tend to push very hard with resistant mothers for fathers who want to be involved with their children and are fighting a battle.

Life experience that was a big factor in my current practice working with custody/divorce and child protective services involved families. When I worked for child protective services, I frequently had a hard time keeping my mouth shut and not being judgmental - i.e., "Quit whining, I did it, why can't you......."

Some single parents don't have the advantages that we were blessed with. Since I was attending college and working toward my Master's degree, the community did not see me as the low-income single mom stereotype. I personally did not feel that my situation was much different. Many members of our community, including an associate judge, provided scholarships and other support to my boys that were not offered to some of the other children.

[Dancin Girl]

Well, as a single parent of two almost grown reasonably stable, sane, healthy children...ie I haven't seen either of them on Jerry yet........ My personal opinion is that it takes much more than "two parents" to raise and nurture... it takes a family, a community.... Yes, to quote Hilary, it takes a village to raise a child! I am not going to sit here and say I did it all by myself, because I did not. I had a family filled with love to help, I chose friends and support networks to help. I believe that I was a relatively stable mature person to start with..... and, my other thought is that do two somewhat unstable people make up for for one stable one? I guess I would have to say no, but that's just my personal thought on it!

[Myst]

No one said they did, Dancin Girl.

You'll notice Ill's list included other things then "two stable parents". You'll also notice no one has said that it has to be a biological parent or that the parent has to be someone who lives in the house and has a relationship with the other parent. Take a moment to consider what's important in a parent - not necessarily that they're biologically related, right? For instance when I help take care of my niece (who is actually my cousin) I also become her "parent" for a time.

[Dancin Girl]

:) That's kind of the point I was trying to make, but it didn't quite come out that way from my jumbled brain this morning!

[kblackthorne]

Myst,

A big chunk of my point was that I wanted to hear Ill say where Ill was coming from. He hadn't yet. (Still hasn't.)

As for two primary caregivers -- I don't believe I stated an opinion on that yet. I merely asked which was more important: the number or the stability.

And frankly, the statistics you gave do not show the entire picture. OK, 60% of rapists surveyed were from single-parent homes. But what percentage of children from single-parent homes become rapists? Or otherwise violent criminals? (Clue: The number is much smaller...)

And the statistics do nothing to show the stability of that home... or to uphold Ill's earlier statement that one parent must be male & the other female.

And as a matter of fact, someone did say what the gender the parents must be, and what their relationship to the child "must" be: Ill. (See his initial post.)

This is why I asked him to explain where he is coming from.

[Myst]

I'm well aware of who you were asking, and I can read just fine, but I like to share my opinion too; I'm sure you can understand that.

The point is not that all children (or even most) from single parent homes are criminals (and I didn't say that), but that a lot of criminals are from single parent homes.

What Ill did say was "mother and father". You have never known anyone who could be mother *and* father? You have never known anyone who could be a mother or father without being the biological parent of the child? That's too bad. I have.

I'm pretty sure Ill will wander in and post his opinion when he can, and that he will probably disagre with some of what I said. However, I like to share my opinions and thoughts on a subject too, and so I have.

[CoolJ]

hmmm

well, I was raised only by my mother in a very harsh and cruel environment...

I am not a criminal of any kind, quite the contrary, I do all in my power to help those around me...

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by Dancin Girl
Well, as a single parent of two almost grown reasonably stable, sane, healthy children...ie I haven't seen either of them on Jerry yet........ My personal opinion is that it takes much more than "two parents" to raise and nurture... it takes a family, a community.... Yes, to quote Hilary, it takes a village to raise a child! I am not going to sit here and say I did it all by myself, because I did not. I had a family filled with love to help, I chose friends and support networks to help. I believe that I was a relatively stable mature person to start with..... and, my other thought is that do two somewhat unstable people make up for for one stable one? I guess I would have to say no, but that's just my personal thought on it!

Exactly. It takes a village (refer to my previous post). I was 1500 miles away from my family and most of them are so dysfunctional themselves that they would have been no help. My oldest is 22 years old today and the youngest will be 19 on Wednesday. They are honor students, award-winning athletes, gainfully employed and the youngest is in our Armed Forces. The middle one, who is now 20, went through a delinquent period and we got through it. He's now married, employed and spent time in the Army. And they are my best friends.

My help was from the community and the Divine and we did a great job if I do say so myself :D

[CoolJ]

well, you know, I see Bisexual women as competition :mad:

I mean, dang, who knows better what turns on women more than another woman!?... I mean, aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.....

lol actually some of my best friends are Bi, i love em they're great :)

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by CoolJ
well, you know, I see Bisexual women as competition :mad:

I mean, dang, who knows better what turns on women more than another woman!?... I mean, aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.....



:D

[kblackthorne]

Myst,

I spoke respectfully to you. I expect the same in return.

I do not appriciate your sarcasm.


I'm well aware of who you were asking, and I can read just fine

There was no call for this. You were out of line.

[Myst]

Listen, frankly I found your implication that I shouldn't post because you "didn't ask me" rude and out of line. If that wasn't your intention, I'm sorry, but that's what you projected. I'm going to respond in kind.

We don't encourage bickering in threads because a) we like to stay on topic and b) people need to see bickering here about as much as they need to see a brawl in a library. So if you still have a problem, take it to private (PM). Thanks.

[mol]

SITE GOD MODE

This thread is now closed. If you still want to discuss this topic then it needs to be taken to a new thread where, hopefully, the sarcasm can be left behind.