Chart please? Maggie

[Maggie]

DOB: May 21, 1952

at 7:38 PM Eastern Daylight time (no daylight savings back then)

Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, USA

Thanks, Maggie

[belgianmoonguy]

Is wayne County the same as Wayne?
Cause it didn't work to inserrt Wayne County, Michigan in Astro.com

Anyway you should have an 28 degrees 44 minutes Scorpio Rising
And your sun should be 0 degrees 52' Gemini

Is this right?
Let me know

I'll look at your chart in a few hours, have to work now
Greets
BMG

[Maggie]

Is wayne County the same as Wayne?
Cause it didn't work to inserrt Wayne County, Michigan in Astro.com

Anyway you should have an 28 degrees 44 minutes Scorpio Rising
And your sun should be 0 degrees 52' Gemini

Is this right?
Let me know

I'll look at your chart in a few hours, have to work now
Greets
BMG


I apologize, I made a typo in my birth time. It's actually 8:48 pm.

And yes, Wayne is correct. I'm too used to adding county when typing Wayne!

Thanks,

Maggie

[belgianmoonguy]

The rising i calculated for you is now 12°45'39" Sagittarius.
Is this correct, let me know before i go ahead.
Grtz
BMG

[Maggie]

The rising i calculated for you is now 12°45'39" Sagittarius.
Is this correct, let me know before i go ahead.
Grtz
BMG


Yes, it is, thank you.

Maggie

[KEishin]

at 7:38 PM Eastern Daylight time (no daylight savings back then)
Bless you for calling that out. DST is the bane of any astrologer's existence - too many changes, exceptions and just plain weirdness.

[business voodoo]

"wake up maggie, i think i got something to say to you"

... sorry, i couldn't resist !!!!! i bet you get that a lot!!!

if 'who am i' is a question you have asked yourself lately, don't be surprised (sun transiting your first house will do that every year!). realize that you are whoever you are this day. who you were yesterday was just that, who you were yesterday, and you don't have to be that again, unless you want to be.

i've posted the chart i've used ... astrodienst and alois have integrated the whole DST and when it went into affect, so i trust this chart to have been calculated appropriately ... with a 14º59' Virgo midheaven, and i use koch houses, giving it a 28º56' Scorpio ascendent.

and i hope this is not coming from left field, but your parents were wrong. they were wrong about a lot of things, and you have been paying a price of underselling your talents, worth and value because of it. you deserve good relationships and to be treated well, i hope you have learned that already, but if you haven't, this may be the lesson for this time in your life. this would likely be most reflected in the areas of work and your career (saturn 10th house inconjunct moon 6th house).

(NOTE: being wrong doesn't mean they were bad parents, i don't know them, they may have been wonderful parents, they may not have been; but they taught you an imbalance of your own self-perception of value and worth and that is what i am speaking to when i say they were 'wrong'.)

you are turning a major 'corner' in your life, entering the next 27 year phase the pythagoreans call "wisdom", having just completed the "power" phase. this is your opportunity to begin to reflect on both your 'youth' (1st 27 years), and your power (ages 27-54), and reconcile the two ...

what gave you power, what didn't. what power was used over or against you and why? your relationship with power was completely taught in your 'youth' cycle. there are basically two kinds of people, those who use their personal power, and those who do not, but use the power of others. using the power of others, means that you have no control over how the power is used, you are merely subjected to it.

use the slow transit of uranus over your nadir (IC), as that will help you root the source of your misalignment with your personal power and help you manifest your true potential ... you might be a late bloomer, which is great because you will know how to use what you've got and with proper balance, wisdom and knowledge of your TRUE worth and value, be able to achieve what you KNOW is your's to do and accomplish.

if you work with rituals or any of the elements ... i would recommend a water meditation in the morning (a shower works, with conscious affirmations of truth of value and worth), with a fire meditation at night (with conscious affirmations of what you want in your life).

that was a rather strong impression i received from your chart, i hope that it helps.

[Maggie]

"wake up maggie, i think i got something to say to you"

... sorry, i couldn't resist !!!!! i bet you get that a lot!!!

yah, yah....:)

if 'who am i' is a question you have asked yourself lately, don't be surprised (sun transiting your first house will do that every year!). realize that you are whoever you are this day. who you were yesterday was just that, who you were yesterday, and you don't have to be that again, unless you want to be.

Don't have to be again is unfortunately something that comes up frequently these days. Do I or don't I?

i've posted the chart i've used ... astrodienst and alois have integrated the whole DST and when it went into affect, so i trust this chart to have been calculated appropriately ... with a 14º59' Virgo midheaven, and i use koch houses, giving it a 28º56' Scorpio ascendent.

A mistake here is my fault--I corrected it but I originally made a typo with birth time, by an hour. I was born at 8:48 pm, not 7. That seems to give me Sagitarius ascendant. I've been told before my chart is odd anyway--one person told me she'd never seen a Gemini chart with so many planets in Taurus....I decided that meant I was a Gemini with nesting instincts!:cheers:

and i hope this is not coming from left field, but your parents were wrong. they were wrong about a lot of things, and you have been paying a price of underselling your talents, worth and value because of it. you deserve good relationships and to be treated well, i hope you have learned that already, but if you haven't, this may be the lesson for this time in your life. this would likely be most reflected in the areas of work and your career (saturn 10th house inconjunct moon 6th house).

This has been a BIG problem, still is with my mother. I was something of an oddball--I read more, I liked to make things, I didn't like baseball, I didn't run my household the 'proper' way....... What I learned was to defer my preferences to theirs because they were 'right.' My job right now isn't approved of but at this point *I* like it and I don't much care what they think. And yes, my parents loved me--they just wanted me to be more like them because I wasn't doing things the 'right' way!:spaceman:

you are turning a major 'corner' in your life, entering the next 27 year phase the pythagoreans call "wisdom", having just completed the "power" phase. this is your opportunity to begin to reflect on both your 'youth' (1st 27 years), and your power (ages 27-54), and reconcile the two ...

I'm still working on this part...she says wryly.

what gave you power, what didn't. what power was used over or against you and why? your relationship with power was completely taught in your 'youth' cycle. there are basically two kinds of people, those who use their personal power, and those who do not, but use the power of others. using the power of others, means that you have no control over how the power is used, you are merely subjected to it.

There is a third, in my experience--those who know how to use my own qualities against me. All three are what I am looking at now.

you might be a late bloomer, which is great because you will know how to use what you've got and with proper balance, wisdom and knowledge of your TRUE worth and value, be able to achieve what you KNOW is your's to do and accomplish.

I'm afraid I tend to be a late bloomer in regards to a LOT of things! These issues here are difficult for me.

if you work with rituals or any of the elements ... i would recommend a water meditation in the morning (a shower works, with conscious affirmations of truth of value and worth), with a fire meditation at night (with conscious affirmations of what you want in your life).

that was a rather strong impression i received from your chart, i hope that it helps.


I tend toward the celtic POV of earth, sea and sky. Water is life blood to me, in relation to the other two. The fire is a recurring theme--I was a volunteer firefighter for years:viking: Lighting a fire as a means of denoting ritual or sacred space--a place set apart--is not really a matter of 'what the ancients' did or what historians et al consider it to mean, that meaning is visceral to me.

Thank you very much for this reading, it contains quite a bit to think over!


Maggie

[business voodoo]

There is a third, in my experience--those who know how to use my own qualities against me. All three are what I am looking at now.


ahh ... yes ... but they can and do try, don't they. but that is the 2nd type of person ... the other person is 'using' the power. because unless YOU allow someone to use power over you (which is using someone else's power that you cannot control), they have no power over you. hmmm ... saturn/moon, definitely.

ran the chart with the right time ... its attached ... it moved some of the planetary houses ... most significantly it moved your moon to the 5th house, and of course, threw off the transits i discussed, which would make your take on the 'who am i' question way more appropriate in that 12th house your sun is currently in ...

i've also attached your current progressed chart ... presently you are really dealing with that saturn/moon inconjunct (as this natal inconjunct is currently being experienced in your second progressed chart as well) ... if you've read the threads here, you may have seen a discussion on inconjuncts. inconjuncts are unconscious habits or patterns that you pick-up, often in childhood. they are not your's naturally, and you can easily change them if you become conscious of them and make the decision that every time you repeat the habit or pattern you are doing it out of your own choice. e.g., allowing people to use your qualities against you ... letting those who do that get close enough to let them ... seeing it happening and letting them do it again, etc. becomes a conscious choice of your use of power.

the transit you have going on right now to help you in this undoing of the habit ... because using the positive energy of the inconjunct (e.g., use of proper power based on truth of personal value and worth), is worth the effort and will produce a whole new level of existence for you ... is uranus which is presently transiting inconjunct to your natal saturn, so look for upsets and upheavals to help you break away from patterns during this holiday season. you also will have a help from mars as it comes into sag (looking towards mid-late december as it moves inconjunct (10º sag) to the moon ... that mars should instigate some stuff as well. let it get as ugly or "wrong" as it needs to get because sometimes that's how we justify the breakaway from the repeat of our own habits that allow bad behaviour to continue. but always know, at any given moment in time, that no matter how poorly they are treating us, it is us who allows it ... we, ultimately, have the power. we can say 'no', we can leave, we can establish boundaries (and with saturn involved, that may be the root issue).

use that water and fire ... and drown yourself in your true value and burn and let the ashes of an old lie that was never true blow away in the winds.

[Maggie]

Thank you very much, I'm going to start reading this forum to help me understand this chart.

I do have what is probably a naive question though--is it unusual to have an entire 'half' empty? And is there any significance to what I used to see described as a 'cusp', in that the 21st of May seemed to move between Taurus and Gemini?

[business voodoo]

maggie, not at all ... what i do find when a chart has only a couple of planetary features in the chart is there is a focus on those planets in the person's life ... e.g., in your chart, your inner (lower half of the horizon) would be focused on chiron (the wounded healer) and the north node (often described as your soul's purpose), and rather than that aspect of your life being 'shared' by multiple planets helping one another out ... or confusing one another ... it really makes it easy to focus energy ... its kind of like the difference between eating split pea soup versus a 10 bean soup medley.

i have also found it to be that most of the life experience is focused on the areas of life where the planets are found, so while life presents all this energy for you to experience in the upper (outer) realm of being, when you are alone, it is rather focused on the few planets in the lower half.

as for the cusp ... hmmm ... definitely always read taurus as a part of your sun sign, as sidereally, the sun was in taurus at the time and only tropically and in relation to the reality that is attached to the tropical zodiac (which is the energy prevailing the earth at the moment), are you a gemini ...

[KEishin]

It's not common in a chart, but certainly not weird or troublesome. :)

It always indicates someone who's very strong in the populated part of their chart and a little weaker in the other half. It's not to say you can't work with the empty places, just that you have to expend a little more effort and step outside your comfort zone to do so.

And as far as what sign you are in the tropical zodiac, you are a Gemini (0 Gemini 51 to be precise) . Even if you'd been born exactly at midnight that day, you'd still be a Gemini (0 Gemini 04). So no worries. That's assuming you enjoy being a Gemini. :)

[Maggie]

maggie, not at all ... what i do find when a chart has only a couple of planetary features in the chart is there is a focus on those planets in the person's life ... e.g., in your chart, your inner (lower half of the horizon) would be focused on chiron (the wounded healer) and the north node (often described as your soul's purpose), and rather than that aspect of your life being 'shared' by multiple planets helping one another out ... or confusing one another ... it really makes it easy to focus energy ... its kind of like the difference between eating split pea soup versus a 10 bean soup medley.

i have also found it to be that most of the life experience is focused on the areas of life where the planets are found, so while life presents all this energy for you to experience in the upper (outer) realm of being, when you are alone, it is rather focused on the few planets in the lower half.

as for the cusp ... hmmm ... definitely always read taurus as a part of your sun sign, as sidereally, the sun was in taurus at the time and only tropically and in relation to the reality that is attached to the tropical zodiac (which is the energy prevailing the earth at the moment), are you a gemini ...

I've looked through the threads here and a LOT of different books were recommended. Could you suggest one or two that would help me understand the terms and work through this particular chart you've done? I really would like to investigate the "wounded healer" you mentioned?that is really eerie...

Maggie

[Maggie]

It's not common in a chart, but certainly not weird or troublesome. :)

It always indicates someone who's very strong in the populated part of their chart and a little weaker in the other half. It's not to say you can't work with the empty places, just that you have to expend a little more effort and step outside your comfort zone to do so.

And as far as what sign you are in the tropical zodiac, you are a Gemini (0 Gemini 51 to be precise) . Even if you'd been born exactly at midnight that day, you'd still be a Gemini (0 Gemini 04). So no worries. That's assuming you enjoy being a Gemini. :)


I always seem to be just a bit out of synch with the world, even my chart is a bit "uncommon", sigh.....

And yes, I generally like being a Gemini, although it can be somewhat disconcerting to those around me!:hahugh:

Maggie

[belgianmoonguy]

You're A Gemini Sun with Sag Rising...
Although there are some differences between those signs (they are opposite to each other, Sag is Fire; Gem is Air) there also ressemble each other (both are mutable, both are extrovert)...

Sag rising gives you an optimistisc outlook on life... People perceive you as larger than life, optimistic, philosophical and someone whose spirits are never down...

You enjoy life... A lot of 5th house energy
A great emphasis on the fixed modality... I would rather consider you as a Taurus then as a Gemini, although that is your Sun sign and it's on 0° Gemini...
But Venus is the most powerful planet in your chart...
She has direct rulership over Moon, Mercury & Jupiter (your chart ruler); Saturn & Neptune...
Through Mercury she rules the Sun, while the sun rules Pluto, while Pluto rules Mars...
Through the Moon she rules Uranus
But Venus doesn't receive a lot of aspects.

Your chart ruler is Jupiter, who is in the 5th in Taurus
Someone's chart ruler in the 5th could indicate a party person, but also a romantic...
It's in Taurus, so it gives stability, loyalty, but sometimes also passivity. The big Taurus influence could diminish the tendency to scatter your energies and give you more focus, more concentration...
With Jupiter as chart ruler, it's easy to go in overdrive, to dive into excesses...

Earth and Air are your strongest elements, which could give an inclination towards being pragmatical and rational... May be you have a lot of common sense, but you could neglect your emotive side too often...

Grtz
BMG

[business voodoo]

for books on the wounded healer, i would say melanie reinhart's book on chiron is "the" most comprehensive book on the subject ... its quite detailed and not for the 'pop' reader, although you can skip the details and just read the 'synopsis' and still get quite a bit of info from many levels from the book ... with your chart, i would recommend this book quite highly.

as for on line ... zane stein has done a lot of on-line writing on chiron and the centaurs in general, as well, astro.com has a decent intro article on chiron as well.