What do you make of this?

[Sheila]

I recently had someone I don't know very well come to me with a problem that seems to relate to a working that she performed with another solitary at the time of the last full moon. Apparently they did a "protection spell" on two pieces of jewellery, one that was hers and the other that was her boyfriends. The other witch she was working with suggested that after the protection spell was performed that they perform another ritual to "close the doors that may have been opened" by the first spell. This ritual consisted of some chanting and gazing into a candle flame at which time she says she felt her energy lift out of herself as the smoke from the candle rose. Now she is experiencing headaches and weakness and while meditating this morning felt as though her body was bound and she was unable to move. Needless to say, she is now feeling rather frightened.

It all sounds very strange to me so I'm interested in getting some other opinions. I've never considered that a protection spell *opens* doors--I've always thought of it as doing the opposite in a way. And gazing into a candle flame to close a door to another plain that may have been opened--very strange to me because I find gazing into a flame opens those doors--I use it for scrying on occasion for that very reason.

What do you make of it?

Sheila

[Amelserru_halqu]

I don't know... it sounds like she wound up draining a bit too much energy out of her or unbalanced herself or something. So wait and see if it goes away after a few days. I suppose she could have flubbed the protection spell but because of how you described the other bit my money's on an energy imbalance.

[Oonagh]

Without know what words were said, it's hard to come up with a lot of help. I agree, maybe it just took a lot out of her to do this. Or, if she said the wrong thing with enough intention she may have bound herself to either the piece of jewelry or the doors or the smoke or a lot of things.

[Teresa]

I would be curious to know what was said during the spell and what the chant was. If you do not want to post it feel free to PM me. I will see if I can help figure it out.

[~Owl~]

I agree with the others. While intent and belief are a big part of any ritual, the words used in a chant have tremendous power, by the influence on the mind working the magic.

Therefore, the actual words that were used would be VERY important to know, before we can help you further, IMO.

There could be other issues at hand as well, but combined, this could create a major problem.

[Against The Tide]

Being the suspicious type - whats the boyfriend doing to his peice of jewelry? How is he feeling? The second part of the spell was his addition and she didn't know or understand any part of this ritual.

Get him, get my rack ready and heat up the irons. Cancle my three o'clock... this might take a while.....

[Cat]

Was the other solitary the boyfriend, or a third person? What did they chant? What was the protection spell they used? What were the pieces of jewelry, and what are they made of (eg, what metal, are there any stones or designs, are they rings?)? Did the bf consent to having his bespelled?

If you can't get any of that information, I'd suggest the equivalent of rebooting. Have her cleanse like crazy and do a ritual to unbind herself. Then charge herself again.

[Teresa]

Without knowing all the facts of this matter , I can only speculate that maybe she may have inadvertently tied herself to the piece of jewelry and could have possibly summoned something that is drawing her energy.

[Tabbykitty]

Actually, the first question i wanna ask is how well your friend who is feeling the aches and bound feeling knows the person she did the spell with.

I think what likely happened to your friend is that some of her life force or energetic field was taken from her. Thus explaining the weakness and headaches. Check if there are any cords of attachment on your friend. If they are still there, they are draining energy from her, thus causing pain. OR, she may have holes in her field caused by something being taken from her. A main clue that indicates that something is now missing from her comes from her own account of the incident where she felt something lift from her.

Moreover, I find the actions of the other practicioner with her rather strange. First of all, there is no need to close any doorways if none was opened in the first place. You dont need to open doorways to other realms to do a spell of protection. Also, just because two people are staring at a candle flame saying some chant, even if the chant was something like "close all doorways...." it doesn't mean both practicioners have the same intent.

Your friend could be shutting doorways and the other practicioner could be concentrating on taking something from your friend. I find that staring into the flame thing a little suspect too. Often staring into the flame is associated with things like scrying OR..... achieving an altered state of consciousness, as in a meditation..... Likely, (if we take the worst scenerio) what was happening was that the other practicioner was drawing your friend into a similar state of consciousnes/vibration as herself and in the process, taking something from your friend on the energetic level.

Reason why i say this is cause headaches and weakness are usually signs of some part of the field being stripped or yanked away.

Now, having said this, I have to point out that this is just my conjecture. If you want an indication as to what went wrong, use some form of divination. Frame the questions correctly and you'll know if your friend's energy was drained or if she had unwittingly given it away by mistake.

If indeed, something was taken from her, well, I'd first of all get ur friend to take it back. and next, advise her never to do spells with people she doesn't know real well.

my two cents...... but seriously..... do a proper divination. It can give you clues to your problem.

[Sheila]

Thank you so much for all the help.

Apparently she felt rather tired after the protection spell but the extreme stuff (such as not being able to get out of bed, feeling bound down) didn't start till after the new moon. It also crosses my mind that the other solitary (not her boyfriend) that did the spell with her either did not know what she was doing or (cue music from the X-files!) did something negative ie cursed her and my acquaintance was unaware of it. Tabbykitty has basically said what I have been thinking so--yeah, what she said :p.

Btw, she doesn't seem to want to tell me what the chanting consisted of sooooo--(?). Like I said, I don't know her terribly well but I wanted to get some other opinions on the situation.

Thanks again to all of you. You guys are awesome1:fpraise:

Sheila ;)

[CryssieWillow]

Just a thought but I do not think it is very strange to "close doors" after a protectionspell. Putting a charm for protection on some item can have the side-effect of the universal stamp on said item reading: "Hello! Look at me I am a veeeery interesting item, lot's of magic. come on! eat me!" or something of the sort.
But that is my experience.

[demonique]

Maybe she just got sick. Overworking yourself, stress, and a cold, the flu, and other mundane factors may in fact be a very likely solution.

<--- since nobody else offered a simple, mundane suggestion, I figure I may as well. I've found that they're more often than not the cause of a great many 'ails' attributed to random bizarre magical happenings.

Then again, it might not be the case.

[CaitrionaMorgaine]

I have noticed that after I work magick, if I have not shielded myself (since I do not work in a circle) and grounded properly afterwards I feel run down and ill shortly after. However, I have not seen that happen weeks after ritual. I would tend to agree with demonique - has she considered the more "mundane" aspects of things? It is cold and flu season, along with holiday stresses.

[BlueMoon13]

Actually, the first question i wanna ask is how well your friend who is feeling the aches and bound feeling knows the person she did the spell with......



Moreover, I find the actions of the other practicioner with her rather strange. First of all, there is no need to close any doorways if none was opened in the first place. You dont need to open doorways to other realms to do a spell of protection......

Your friend could be shutting doorways and the other practicioner could be concentrating on taking something from your friend. I find that staring into the flame thing a little suspect too. Often staring into the flame is associated with things like scrying OR..... achieving an altered state of consciousness, as in a meditation..... Likely, (if we take the worst scenerio) what was happening was that the other practicioner was drawing your friend into a similar state of consciousnes/vibration as herself and in the process, taking something from your friend on the energetic level......


If indeed, something was taken from her, well, I'd first of all get ur friend to take it back. and next, advise her never to do spells with people she doesn't know real well.



Could'nt agree more. Cleanse,cleanse,cleanse. Then she needs to take back what is hers and I suggest she not practice with the other person again. Hence, the word "solitary".