To Cybadiva and Illuminatus

[male992000]

Just got finished reading all of your responses and I'd like to reply. First I'd like to say I'm sorry that most of you thought that my post was a way to get more traffic. I just wanted to share the good news that any one of you could recieve immortality from me. However, since you all were offended, I won't offer it again. Now I'd like to get to you two;

-Cybadiva-

You said that my site was just plain insulting. What was insulting about it? Please respond because I went back through it and couldn't find anywhere that I could see was insulting to anyone.

-Illuminatus-

Thank you for being flattered that I decided to stop by if you weren't being sarcastic. By the way, hope you liked what you read.

-To the rest of you-

There's two things I'd like to address before I post this topic; One, your question, "Who wants to outlive their friends?" and two, the belief that living forever would prevent you from experiencing the grand afterlife.

ONE, who says that your friends can't recieve immortality? Just pass it along to them as well. If they refuse it, they will UNDOUBTEDLY want it when you are both 80 years old, but you look and feel 21.

TWO, I'm not trampeling on anybodys beliefs but there is no afterlife. The very word immortality means to live WITHOUT dying, so to pass off death as a gateway to another life is false advertising. Your soul is nothing more than an energy source to keep your body alive. When you shatter a light bulb, does the light keep it's form and drift off into light heaven and light hell or does it just break up and die off? That's exactly what happens when your body dies. This is why all of the major religions have always taught a resurrection, because they know this earth is our only existence.

Oh and one last thing; Somebody said that in the end you'd just wind up getting old anyway. Well you obviously haven't read everything on my site.

Good day to all of you and I will NOT just be a one time poster. I'm here to stay. Tootles.

[Danustouch]

ohhhhhhhhhhh...lucky us:rolleyes:

[MistOfTheSea86]

Let's put things in perspective

If the human race were meant to be immortal then guess what, we would not have procreation would we?

And another, who are you to say there is no afterlife? I would appreciate it if you said that was your opinion instead of saying it was true. It was very disrespectful and I found it highly offensive and ignorant. That's my opinion.

Regardless if you think you are right, you are walking on thin ice and you should respect and abide by the one rule of this site. Respect.

[Kaylara]

It's nice to see that you are willing to be a contributing member here. Welcome to mysticwicks

Kaylara

[MistOfTheSea86]

Welcome by the way

[Melysande]

Mine isn't just that I don't want to live forever. It's that I don't want to live forever in this particular body. It'd be like wearing the same purple flowered dress for all eternity. Why would I want to do that when I don't have to...?

And I personally like being a male in some lifetimes and female in others.

And learning new ways of doing things, new customs, new ideas.... You can't do that in the same long lifetime. You'd become too set in your ways.

You can't rediscover the joy and wonder that a small child has, unless you are in a body that is going through that stage of development.

And telling people that there is no afterlife IS trampling their beliefs. If you said, "I don't believe there is an afterlife," that'd be one thing. But just stating it as if it was a verifiable fact is another entirely.

[Euphoria]

oooh arent we lucky *rolls eyes*

[Euphoria]

ok i am insulted how dare you tell us there is no afterlife you don't know that do u ???

and secondly u say our soul is an "energy source to keep your body alive"

well the laws of physics state that

"energy cannot be created or destroyed ... merely changed"

so there :razz:

p.s sorry if this offended anyone but i was majorly p!$$ed off becaus ehis post was sooo arrogant and insulting

[Euphoria]

he heh ehe you tell em Phoenix

[Sequoia]

-_-; oh silly me, all those memories of past lives, they're just my mortal imagination running away with me. . . and GOLLY gee gods aren't real either! -_-; dude. . .

welcome :D I hope you like sarcasm. ^.^ thanks to you, I feel encouraged to use mine!

yes, my friends and I are all going to sleep with your refrigerator magnets on our fingers and toes in the false hope that we will live forever in these bodies if we do. We're also going to Hogwarts with the tooth fairy on Beltane to go play hide and seek in the Mists of Avalon. Did I mention Micky mouse dressed as a pimp will be there too, with Minnie in spiked heels?

Am I insulting your beliefs? I'm sorry. In my personal opinion, I think you're acting like a crackpot fraud quack trying to sell his products. Buy some infomercial time, you'll get more interest that way. I prefer to live forever in seperate bodies, thank you. ;) I would never want to live forever in this one. How would I ever fly?

And besides, how many people have you tested your thingie-do-s on? For all you know, there could be dangerous side effects. Maybe you're screwing up something, but you havn't been doing this long enough to know it. Sure, the FDA might be a bad guy, but we don't know you. For all we know, they might have a reason! I'm not buying the sap story, and I'm not buying the product either.

Hope we see some posts having nothing to do with selling products or comparing my soul to a lightbulb! :) nice to meet you.

~Puma Hime

[mol]

SITE GOD MODE

All right folks.

Put it in chill mode.

First of all, if he Knows there is no afterlife...then there isnt one.

To him.

While he could have put it a better way, he is expressing his belief. Which is what what are here for...

Express and learn.

And now, welcome male.


A note for future reference to everyone. I will not tolerate someone being made to feel unwelcome. If you disagree with a point then by all means...argue it. But, hurling insults does nothing but make people look stupid (and most of the time it is the hurler, not the hurlee). I will not let this community take a step in that direction.

[mol]

I almost forgot...

I closed your other thread male.

I am NOT funding your ad campaign. Peddle your wares somewhere else...however you are welcome to participate as a member of this community should you choose to do so.

[Twig]

Well, first off. I haven't read this persons other thread. I saw it but given the title, I didn't read it. Now I think I shall [if it's still posted]. I'm WELL curious as to what would make my compatriots sooooo agitated. :confused: NO afterlife you say..........THIS should be interesting!

We shall soon see. ;) :D :)

Peace,
Twig
:elf:

[shnen]

male,
At the end of Mols' every email states:

Rule of this Community: Respect your Community members and their Path, whatever it may be.

I find that your posts are somewhat preaching towards everyone else on the board here. If you wish to make a constructive contribution to the board then that's great, but so far it seems like you are trying to convert us all, and WE DON'T WANT TO BE CONVERTED! I feel you are not respecting us by trying to push your religion on us so heavily.

Hopefully you can make a worthy contribution to the board.

[Twig]

I'm baaaaaack!


Have you people been living under rocks for the past year?

Thank you Illum., I don't even need to put the rest of your quote up here.

Mr. male992000. The Owner of this site and people who I consider to be the best and brightest of this multi-thousand member community have considered that your product, theology, and outlook is invalid and an insult to our intelligence.

After careful consideration. I say their opinions are a kindness to your claims. :D Having a Spirit Guide that is a prior incarnation of myself, I personally call your claims a farce and a scam. But that's just my PERSONAL opinion. :smooch:

Peace,
Twig
Druid Forum Moderator
:elf:

[Lavender]

:D Wow! That's what happens when you take a day off...you miss all the good stuff! :lol:

[Theres]

i have to agree with Mol here.
personally, i found the whole concept of 'immortality for sale' to be ridiculous. but no more so than some of the other ideas i've read here. ideas for which the poster was NOT lambasted!
so i think it's only fair that our new friend (like ALL new posters) be given the benefit of the doubt. "all are friends until they prove themselves otherwise".
Male, i hope this isn't the only reason you came here. i will look forward to reading any further thoughts you may have.
peace.

[Old Witch]

Welcome??????

[Myst]

Originally posted by male992000
TWO, I'm not trampeling on anybodys beliefs but there is no afterlife. The very word immortality means to live WITHOUT dying, so to pass off death as a gateway to another life is false advertising. Your soul is nothing more than an energy source to keep your body alive. When you shatter a light bulb, does the light keep it's form and drift off into light heaven and light hell or does it just break up and die off? That's exactly what happens when your body dies. This is why all of the major religions have always taught a resurrection, because they know this earth is our only existence.

Yes that's what the word immortality means, however, most of us understand ourselves to be mortal (thus live and die, cycle of life continues).

A light bulb is an inanimate object; it is not sentient, and doesn't have a soul. Therefore, regardless of what it does, it isn't comparable to human existence.

When my body dies my soul doesn't just shatter like a bulb. Conservation of energy would dictate otherwise; energy is not created nor destroyed, but only changed. Therefore the energy (as you equate it to our soul) may dissipate at the time of death and change into other forms of energy, but doesn't just "die off". One's energy might be reincarnated in other forms, or as some believe be born again into another physical body.

However, you're not going to convince a forum of over 2000 Pagans that reincarnation and the Summerlands are just a big joke, and that we can overcome our own mortal understandings of the same just by paying a certain amount of money.

[shnen]

Myst, You GO GIRL!!! :thumbsup:

[Twilight Garden]

Bummer. I missed the other thread. I'm kinda curious what all the fuss was about. Oh well. :eyebrow: I think I'll get along without it.

[mol]

Originally posted by LunarMist
Bummer. I missed the other thread. I'm kinda curious what all the fuss was about. Oh well. :eyebrow: I think I'll get along without it.

You will be just fine...

:)

[mol]

Originally posted by Greenman
i have to agree with Mol here.
personally, i found the whole concept of 'immortality for sale' to be ridiculous. but no more so than some of the other ideas i've read here. ideas for which the poster was NOT lambasted!
so i think it's only fair that our new friend (like ALL new posters) be given the benefit of the doubt. "all are friends until they prove themselves otherwise".
Male, i hope this isn't the only reason you came here. i will look forward to reading any further thoughts you may have.
peace.

Heya Green, good to see you. I just wanted to make sure that I wasnt being misunderstood. It is perfectly ok for someone to exchange their ideas regarding their Path here. Thats what this place is all about.

But, the first thing that was done was an Advertisement for a site. I will not allow that.

Anyway...just a little clarifier..

[Sequoia]

yes, I agree we should be tolerant of other's paths.

But there is a limit. I think we need to recognise when something is someone's path, and when it's an advertisement. So far, I have seen him advertise, I have seen him defend his advertisement, and I have seen him insult other paths. Where is his respect?

If he was merely expressing a path, I'd be all gung-ho for saying "hey buddy welcome. Now, we don't usually try to insult others, but I understand you're new, so it's ok." But guys. . . *sighs* he has been advertising from the first, and when it was clear that nobody wanted his little gismo, he made fun of a broad SPECTRUM of religions! I mean, honestly how tolerant am I gonna have to be?

that's like telling a terrorist "ok, I'm gonna sit here and not react while you blow up my church." I'll be tolerant. But I think you need to open your mind a bit; there's a limit there, somewhere. Don't know where yours is, but he drew right onto mine.

[Euphoria]

i have to echo pumas thoughts here ,...... she makes a very valid point

[Illuminatus]

While we're on the topic of Immortality Rings and what not, Slashdot.org had a neat little interview with Alex Chu, the link is below. His answers are a maze of non-sequitors and circular arguments. Still, who can blame him? Guy's a genius. I'll bet he makes a fortune, just sitting in his house selling magnets to stupid people. Go figure.

slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/07/1421238&mode=nested

[shnen]

well that's 2 posts... one more than I predicted!:lol: ;)

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by shnen
well that's 2 posts... one more than I predicted!:lol: ;)

That's almost twice as many!!!

[Myst]

That's the college edumacation at work! :D

That's ok, my college education taught me that 1 + 1 can equal 10 *or* 2. Hah.

[shnen]

wow I was WAY off!!! :D

[Man/Wolf]

Puma, no one says you have to agree with other peoples points of view. What Mol was saying is that one can disagree with someone without insulting him/her or resorting to name calling.

[Garnet]

Ye gods & little fishes!
At first I didn't know what was going on...immortalty rings? I felt as if I were trying to watch a foreign-language film...without subtitles. Then I thought that ring is like the ionizer light I saw on a 3:a.m. infommercial...the little light you waved around your face & it 'ionizes' the air around your head & makes you look younger.
I went to the posted site & thought "Aha! a wacko." One-world government...isn't that what the NRA & those survivalists/anti-government types are always howling will be the End of Civilization as We Know It?
I truly thought Mr. Chiu was a wacko...until I read the vehement diatribe in the '4-Cube World' site. Compared to the author of that site, Mr. Chiu is a harmless & even a bit amusing.
However, because of my superior deductive reasoning, I have discovered the flaw in Chiu's ad. I am generously willing to share this knowledge with my fellow MW posters for a small, one-time fee....
All kidding aside, he said that people could be 21 & healthy forever. Don't you have to be 21 & healthy to begin with to take advantage of the Immortality Device? I'm 49, & I've broken both ankles, torn up a knee & a shoulder, & have stomach problems (I am not whining, just trying to make a point.)...does that make me ineligable for the Device? Or will I revert to being 21 & healthy? The healthy part I would like, but 21 again? I don't think I could take being unemployed & that dumb again.
And I wouldn't even want to be Messiah.Think of all the whiners you have to listen to just because it rained on someone's golf game.
Sorry Mr. Chiu, keep your Immortality Device. This broad isn't interested in any more snake oil. I vote with the people who are looking towards reincarnation.

[WandererInGray]

Originally posted by Illuminatus
Guy's a genius. I'll bet he makes a fortune, just sitting in his house selling magnets to stupid people. Go figure.




*gives a sigh she hopes will illict just the right amount of pity*

Why can't I think of something like that?
I could have made a fortune too....


*grins* Of course there's that whole nasty conscience thing too....blast it.

[Phoenix Blue]

In a part of that Q&A on Slashdot, Mr. Chiu (I will not address him as "Doctor") explains that he never spent money on scientific research because he'd rather spend it on marketing instead.

He's a genius, all right, but not the way people think.

Still, I'm sure many a marketer would love to get inside his head. But I think P.T. Barnum had it figured out. Tell a big enough lie, and people will believe it. People are used to believing big lies, they've lived with them for as long as we've had organized religion and government.

[Djiril]

TWO, I'm not trampeling on anybodys beliefs but there is no afterlife. The very word immortality means to live WITHOUT dying, so to pass off death as a gateway to another life is false advertising. Your soul is nothing more than an energy source to keep your body alive. When you shatter a light bulb, does the light keep it's form and drift off into light heaven and light hell or does it just break up and die off? That's exactly what happens when your body dies. This is why all of the major religions have always taught a resurrection, because they know this earth is our only existence.
from the interview
Why do people fear death? Because in the bottom of your heart, you know death is no good. You become a soul which has no body. Another word, you become a homeless ghost. It might feel good to be out of your body for awhile. But you can't stay like that forever. Then you must look for a new body. That's what we call reincarnation. If you go to Disney world, it might feel fun at first. But after 2 days straight in the campus, you feel tired. You then want to go back home. If you divorce, you feel free at first. Then you start to feel lonely and you want to remarry again. Same with souls. They can't survive without a body for long. Souls are designed to fit inside a body. Souls are not designed to float around in thin air. Just wanted to point out the contradiction here.

[Mythrel]

wow, you go away for a couple of days and bam!! I too missed the original post that caused this mess...

Some of you have made some really good points and torn apart his arguements...am I in the middle of the debate team guiness record holders here!!! you guys are good...I hope I never tick any of you off!!!

well, Male may have opened his posting days on Mysticwicks with an insulting move, but I would like to extend a welcome to him and say that he has at least started some interesting conversation....

oh well...enough of the bright side of things...back to my shadows to ponder my light going out when my bulb, I mean body breaks... :D