Souls and no planet?

[Sionnach le Fey]

I've always been a little skeptical when it came to the idea of a soul, so was just wondering a few things :)

This may sound a little dramatic, but let's say, for example, the Earth gets sucked into oblivion by a black hole (so, basically, there's no planet around anymore). What would happen to everybody's soul?

Would all the souls collect together as one big energy mass and just...float around? Or...find another planet with life on it? Or, perhaps, just get destroyed along with Earth? Can souls even be destroyed?

:huh:

[Xentor]

Why would souls be limited to a planet?

[Meadhbh]

I guess we'd all go somewhere else. The world is going to end some day, but thats not to say there aren't other places to explore.

[Faelon_Moon_Hawk]

well since i <3 black holes..especially supermassive black holes (like the ones found in the centers of galaxy's like ours)... here's what i'd say based on my admittedly limited understanding of black holes (i just love watching the shows on 'em on the discovery channel and what not ^_^).

Basically, scientsts still really have no idea what happens to anything when it gets sucked into a black hole. theory's range from it there is nothing really - stuff is just condensed into a very very dense and very very tiny point, to you are just spit out on the other side...where ever that is.

Assuming, that going through a black hole would infact be deadly, and seperate the soul from the physical body then i don't think anything particuarly special would happen to the souls. Souls are incorporeal, they are energy, like light. So i think they like light would be "trapped" in the black hole, but not one big "blob" of souls, it wouldn't force them together, any more than it forces light waves together.

I personally don't think souls can be destroyed, to me they are a means for the universe to figure itself out. They are all part of the universe, to put it in star wars terms, they are all part of the force, but in being a part of the force they are also individual (like when Jedi masters Obi Wan, Qui Gon, Yoda & anakin skywalker died and became ghosts, retaining their individuality as well as becoming one with the force)...like we are all humans, but we are each a single person...or like a cell is part of the body.

I hope this makes sense, black holes confuse me slightly...like they are just beyond my understanding..so if i sound confused..it's cause i am ^_^ but its ok, cause the confusion makes me curious ^_^

black hole info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

[Crysiira]

In my opinion, souls transcend the physical, so the earth getting sucked up wouldn't matter much, as we'd all be in a "better place", so to speak. Basically... it wouldn't affect anything beyond the physical realm.

[omar]

When the imploding Black Hole gets full it Explodes. A new galaxy is formed?

[Fiamma]

well since i <3 black holes..especially supermassive black holes (like the ones found in the centers of galaxy's like ours)... here's what i'd say based on my admittedly limited understanding of black holes (i just love watching the shows on 'em on the discovery channel and what not ^_^).

Basically, scientsts still really have no idea what happens to anything when it gets sucked into a black hole. theory's range from it there is nothing really - stuff is just condensed into a very very dense and very very tiny point, to you are just spit out on the other side...where ever that is.

Assuming, that going through a black hole would infact be deadly, and seperate the soul from the physical body then i don't think anything particuarly special would happen to the souls. Souls are incorporeal, they are energy, like light. So i think they like light would be "trapped" in the black hole, but not one big "blob" of souls, it wouldn't force them together, any more than it forces light waves together.

I personally don't think souls can be destroyed, to me they are a means for the universe to figure itself out. They are all part of the universe, to put it in star wars terms, they are all part of the force, but in being a part of the force they are also individual (like when Jedi masters Obi Wan, Qui Gon, Yoda & anakin skywalker died and became ghosts, retaining their individuality as well as becoming one with the force)...like we are all humans, but we are each a single person...or like a cell is part of the body.

I hope this makes sense, black holes confuse me slightly...like they are just beyond my understanding..so if i sound confused..it's cause i am ^_^ but its ok, cause the confusion makes me curious ^_^

black hole info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole


souls aren't physical, black holes are a manifestation of a physical phenomenon. I seeno reason that black holes could even concievably do any damage to a soul.

As for whether passing into a black hole would be deadly, think about this- a black hole is- at least as far as we can theorize- basically a star collapsing into itself, creating a hole in space with gravity so great that the matter contained in the star crunches down to a speck no bigger than a dot on one of the I's on your screen. yeah, methinks that would be a deadly experience.

As for one being at the center of the galaxy as far as I understand, that's a theory, no one knows for sure.

If you like speculating about souls...go watch the anime series Neon Genesis Evangelion (And make sure to watch the movie The End Of Evangelion especially. Wrap your brain around that.

[noxtwice]

if passing through the blackhole would equal death then i believe we would all return to the goddess, as our souls were divided from hers, and simply wait and see what she decides to do/make/or inhabit next.

i guess we'd have to wait for the goddess to seperate the god from her and then unite again.

[TempestDra]

My first thought was of all that sheer life floating around, unhindered by the physical world but with nowhere to go. I delight at the thought of the sudden new changes bound to occur somewhere to accomodate it all.:)

[Vincent Verthaine]

When the imploding Black Hole gets full it Explodes. A new galaxy is formed?

Theoretically speaking,for a black hole to become "full enough" to explode it would have to suck up the entire matter of the universe to reach a temperture of 1O28 degrees Kelvin,then it would become a new universe.That is only if there is enough matter in the universe to arrest the Universal expansion.We'd of been long dead due to the rising temperture of the shrinking universe before we'd have ot worry about a that
If there isn't entropy takes effect,and black holes begin to evaporate due to the effects of Hawking radiation(which would take about 10100-150
for that to happen).Most matter in the universe would have been converted to photons long before that happens.

Apparently there is a massive super blackhole in the center of our Galaxy,(which may be the case for most spiral galaxies,The jury is still out on ellipticals)which may be the engine that causes the galaxy to spin.

Souls have no mass(if there is such a thing as a soul),so falling into a black hole won't stop it from going wherever it is it goes.

[MankyCat]

Just as I don't believe reincarnation is limitted to one species, I don't believe it's limitted to one planet.

[Windsmith]

If we have souls, they're free to roam every available universe, and that if this planet were destroyed they'd say, "Aw, shucks, I liked that place - they had really good crab cakes, remember, Gladys?" and then go check out what's shakin' in some other galaxy.

For anyone who's curious about what happens to things when they get sucked into black holes, here's an article I've mentioned before. I still don't understand it, no matter how many times I read it, but it's totally fascinating: The Elephant and the Event Horizon (http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19225751.200-the-elephant-and-the-event-horizon.html).

[plumedsnake]

But do souls have a location in space? If they do then they will be affected by a black hole because black holes warp space time, do they not?

What are the qualities of a souls? If it isn't physical what is it? What do we mean by it isn't physical. there are so many different physical properties. It might not have weight or density, but if it has location then that is a physical property. If a soul can leave a body, then it can move in space/time. that sounds physical. Ha ha!

[Crysiira]

But do souls have a location in space? If they do then they will be affected by a black hole because black holes warp space time, do they not?

What are the qualities of a souls? If it isn't physical what is it? What do we mean by it isn't physical. there are so many different physical properties. It might not have weight or density, but if it has location then that is a physical property. If a soul can leave a body, then it can move in space/time. that sounds physical. Ha ha!

Good point, and worth pondering. However, I don't think souls have a location in space. They certainly can, at times, thus ghosts/spirits/whatevers, but I think that for the most part, they just do not inhabit physical space. As I said, they can, they can reside in a body and they can leave that body, but the movement and the location is incidental. They are beyond the physical. I am not doing a very good job of expressing what I mean... what is it if not physical? I don't know, just not physical. Then again, what do I know? People in ancient times thought weather was caused by metaphysical beings, and we found out that's quite physical and natural, so maybe we'll find that out about things like ghosts and spirits and souls someday.
I guess I'm going to go the agnostic route here - we can't know until we die, so relax and live life and don't worry about the afterlife til you get to it.

[Vincent Verthaine]

But do souls have a location in space? If they do then they will be affected by a black hole because black holes warp space time, do they not?

What are the qualities of a souls? If it isn't physical what is it? What do we mean by it isn't physical. there are so many different physical properties. It might not have weight or density, but if it has location then that is a physical property. If a soul can leave a body, then it can move in space/time. that sounds physical. Ha ha!
Might as well ask what a 6 legged purple cow is thinking.There is no definitive evidence that souls have mass,that it it operates only in 4 dimensions,or that they even exist.

[plumedsnake]

Might as well ask what a 6 legged purple cow is thinking.There is no definitive evidence that souls have mass,that it it operates only in 4 dimensions,or that they even exist.

Yes, but I would imagine that this thread would at least require the presumption that a soul exists. Within the context of this thread it's axiomatic. If someone postulated a world with 6legged purple cows, then it would be okay to then go further and ask what would these 6legged purple cows think.

There fore if there is a soul . . . would it have any physical qualities such as location, dimensions, density, weight, velocity, etc. And what would be the effect of a Black hole on the soul?

[Vincent Verthaine]

If we are using that line of reasoning,if the gravitity of a black hole can effect a soul,so can a bullet,being frozen,and being burnt alive.Whatever affects the body physically ,then it must be able to affect the soul.

If it has physicallity,humans can figure out ways to kill it.

[plumedsnake]

If we are using that line of reasoning,if the gravitity of a black hole can effect a soul,so can a bullet,being frozen,and being burnt alive.Whatever affects the body physically ,then it must be able to affect the soul.

If it has physicallity,humans can figure out ways to kill it.

Not true. Being subject to one physical force does not mean that you have to be subject to every other physical force. A stone is affected by Gravity, but not by magnetic fields. A soul being affected by gravity does not have to be subject to temperature changes. Suppose the way the soul was structured allowed it to compensate so that it generated extra heat when placed in a cold environment. This is just speculation, but I'm sure you get my drift.

Having Mass (therefore subject to gravity) doesn't equal having everyother physical attribute.

[plumedsnake]

Having Mass (therefore subject to gravity) doesn't equal having everyother physical attribute.

I've got a better example. Light is subject to the effects of Gravity. we all know that Gravity bends light and Black holes attract light and then it can't escape (which is why they are black) due to the gravity. Now what Vincent Verthaine would be saying is therefore it would be possible to Freeze light. Great as that sounds I don't think it is possible. But I went on quite a trip imagining if it were possible. Also I don't think you could shoot light with a bullet and kill it, but if you could I would personally fall on my knees and worship your Eris.

[Vincent Verthaine]

Also I don't think you could shoot light with a bullet and kill it, but if you could I would personally fall on my knees and worship your Eris.
Dude,don't say things like that,you never know when Eris may be listening.
You really don't want to know what she does to people who prostrate themselves before her.
She prefers,when the feces has hit the fan,all is crumbling around you,everyone is running around like chickens with their heads cut off,even though you are bloodied,for her followers to shake their fist at her and scream out

"Is that the best you can do!!!
I'm still standing bitch!
And I still managed to make a tidy profit!!"

Eris wants her Children to be strong,not weak. I

But you're right,I was being to hasty in my judgement.The thought of any type of imprisonment tends to freak us freedom loving discordians out.
Your right that the gravity of a black hole may be able to trap a soul,but like any good discordian,I may have figured out "get out of jail free card".

Quantum tunneling.
So yeah,while a black hole can trap a soul,there is a possibilty for escape.

Which,come to think about it,may explain how the soul is able to travel to whatever "Afterlife" it's supposed to go.