flame magick?

[SuperHeroGirl]

one of my friendswas telin me about how with pratice you can move a flame with your eyes. i was wondering i you need a certain type/color candle or if there is a spell involved? any information is great!!!!

[Myst]

What does your friend say? :)

[SuperHeroGirl]

he was talkingabout one of his frinds ho stated to take advantage of magick, ad how that now she cant even move a flame with her eyes...that They took it away from her

[Myst]

Hm. Who took it away?

[SuperHeroGirl]

the God and the Goddess

[Myst]

Uhm that's an interesting theory. I don't really think of the God and Goddess as judgemental beings who take "powers" away when they get mad. Maybe this guy has other reasons he's blocked that he's not aware of, and he just blames it on that.

For the record, I have never heard of anyone who could control a flame, especially not with their eyes. Not even the elders I know or anyone I've met. So I wish I could help you out, but it's really something I've never heard of someone (outside of the movies) doing.

[Danustouch]

Personally...I HAVE seen it done. But..not by a Wiccan, or Pagan. I have seen it done by a person who studied the Martial Arts from the time he was three years old. And from what I understand, it was done by harnessing Chi. Harnessing Chi is something that is NOT done overnight, or even in a few years. It takes years of discipline and practice. And controlling the flame of a candle is not something you can learn to do in and of itsself. It's learning how to harness your Chi that is the goal. Controlling the candle is merely a byproduct of that control. The individual who did it in front of me, was doing by way of a lesson about self control, as a lesson about the control that one has to have over him/herself. It wasn't done as a trick...nor to impress me.

The night I was shown, I had two candles lit on my entertainment center which was against the opposite wall of the large room. We were having a discussion about self control..and spiritual/physical health..etc. In the middle of the conversation he asked me to stop talking. He folded his hands, and became perfectly still. And then he breathed in...and out...and told me to look at the candles. When I turned around, the candles were out.

Personally, I don't think that learning to control the flame of a candle, is in and of itsself, a worthwhile pursuit. And certainly it is not something that one can just "teach you" to do in any book, or even books. The type of energy it would take to control the flame of a candle from a distance (if this is indeed what you were talking about), is merely one illustration of the greater energy which one can attain.

Again, I personally do not think that Wicca or Paganism (and I myself am Wiccan) would concern themselves which such displays of energy. Indeed, not even Bhuddism, would, imo. They would concern themselves with learning to harness this energy within yourself, and learning to control this energy, so that you could use it to better yourself as a person, spirtitually, and physically.

At least this is my understanding of it.

[Mystic Wolf]

I have manipulated a candle from a distance once. It was during ritual and we had already raised a lot of energy in the group. Well we were doing one spell and it required a specific candle to be lit in my quarter. However the wick hadn't been trimmed so it was a weak flame. As the Priestess turned around to get something from the shelf behind her, the candle all but went out.

There was a small spark left but it was quickly dying. I simply pointed at it and thought "LIGHT" and the candle lit. Several people in the coven including our high priest saw me do this. However don't ask me to do it again because I don't think I could. I think the situation and the combination of our group energy along with a puff of air from my hand moving caused it to relight.

Physics or Magic, I don't know. Interesting to see? you bet. Am I able to duplicate it? Yeah Right.

[jelly.belly]

I've heard about people controlling fire or candle flames, but I've never tried it myself... I think it looks interesting, but it's not something i think u could do just like that... well, it would take lots of energy, but I mean to really CONTROL a flame, by yourself, it would take alot of practice...

[Mythrel]

Originally posted by Danustouch


Personally, I don't think that learning to control the flame of a candle, is in and of itsself, a worthwhile pursuit. And certainly it is not something that one can just "teach you" to do in any book, or even books. The type of energy it would take to control the flame of a candle from a distance (if this is indeed what you were talking about), is merely one illustration of the greater energy which one can attain.

They would concern themselves with learning to harness this energy within yourself, and learning to control this energy, so that you could use it to better yourself as a person, spirtitually, and physically.

At least this is my understanding of it.

wow...thank you for posting this Danu...I have in essence been working very hard to learn how to control my energies and never knew how to descibe what I was doing or able to give it a name.

I am wondering if your friend would care to explain some of the training they have gone thru or who/where they got the training to work on controlling the Chi? I am very curious and want to learn more!!

thanks again,
Mythrel

[Danustouch]

heh...good luck. He wont even tell ME much more about it! LOL

"you are not ready, grasshopper son" he says to me, jokingly.

[Myst]

heh yeah try to convince someone to teach you something from an art they spent years (or a lifetime) learning... that's so not gonna happen ;)

[SuperHeroGirl]

thank you all for your posts!!! i think im going to work on my concentration now.........:)

[Mythrel]

well, thanks for trying Danu. If he ever decides to share, I'd love to learn...

[Earthcup]

I've had a candle that tried to go out several times and by concentrating I tried to "help" it burn. It stayed lit, but whether my effort had anything to do with it or not I honestly don't know. Was a good concentration exercise at least.

I think it's possible to do such things. *shrug* Then again, I think most things are possible...:D

[MistOfTheSea86]

but very rarely, only when I am doing a ritual or harnessing my energies on one point. I have never made a candle go out though hehe, I just make it shake alot. ANd believe me, I have been practicing harnessing that energy for at LEAST 5 years, so yeah it is not something that should be a goal lol

[cybadiva]

Mythrel,

I don't know a whole lot about chi, but I used to do T'ai Chi and I know that it involves harnessing chi energy (not that I ever got that good!). You could try looking on the Net to see if there's any classes running in your area. It's sometimes also called Qi or Chi Gong, but that might just be a variation in form/style - I'm not sure - I used to do Yang style but I never got the chance to take it very far (my uni lectures clash with the class:( )

Don't know whether this is what you're looking for, but T'ai Chi is very good fun anyway - good for balance and flexibility, even if you can't control things using chi, you'll get fit and learn a form of self defense too!

As for flame magick - I often find that putting out a flame with the power of breath alone is useful.....one quick blow on the flame and it usually goes out immediately;) . Note this may not work if you have a lot of alcohol on your breath - in fact the effect may be reversed! Be warned!!:D

[Danustouch]

Hah! or if you've drank alot of Soda that day..and you belch simultaneously....

(sorry) :D

[Myst]

you might also try a snuffer!

heh it does seem somewhat of a useless skill doesn't it

[Danustouch]

The candle? Yup..useless skill. Learning how to focus your energy? Nope. But..the candle isn't a method of acheiving this....

[phoenixsong]

What you're saying about it being a useless skill - reminds me of why I gave up trying to learn telekinesis. I'd spend an hour or so trying to move a pencil or whatever, then I'd just get exasperated and fling the pencil at something :D which worked better. I kinda realised that, unless I lost the use of my limbs, it really wasn't gonna be a very useful skill.

[Sequoia]

I have been known, in emergancies, to move things slightly or adjust "unnaturally" my balence. . . not that it was a consious thing, so ^^;;;

although I have been working on making dice roll how I want them to! i'm getting better at it, especially if I'm really excited. ;)

[Mythrel]

I haven't checked this post in a couple of days sorry for the slow reply...

cybadiva, thanks for the tips...I could use some better flexibility as well, I think I will try and find some T'ai Chi classes soon