[Adult!] Crystals for the Horned God?

[MacMorrighan]

[I gave this a rather "adult" warning because some facets of ritual will be discussed that many men might find unconfortable, to be polite about it-- although the sheer number of Pagan prudes deeply disturbs me! It seems ironic to be that heterosexual male Pagans would find Paganism so sexually liberating, yet they would be offended, or deeply disturbed, by the mere notion of homosexuality. Sadly, I lost what could have been a great Pagan male friend because of this-- he apparently didn't want to even get to know me because my being Gay made him so phenominally uncomfortable!]:

Hey guys, I'm asking for some advise at the moment. I am researching crystals that are particularly sacred to the Horned One (gemology is *NOT* my strong point, whereas herb-lore *is*!)), as well as various Horned Gods. However, I can only think of three, readily; though, the first two are *somewhat* stretching the boundaries, a bit, so to speak (I'm looking for something uber-specific to a Deity, if at all possible, in my overly pedantic mood):

* Clear Quartz Crystal: According to Scott Cunningham, at regular in tervals, shamans would sprinkle this crystal with deer's blood.
* Amethyst: After the nymph of the same name was mauled by Dionysos' tiger, and subsequenbtly died, she was tansmuted into a cluster of crystals. The lammenting God saught her apology giving her a libation of wine as a token for His sorrow-- it is said to ave absorbed the liquer and turned a deep purple hue as a sign that she forgave Him. This stone contains the essence of wine wgicg was believed to be the personification of Dionysos. Hence, when one drunk wine, they were imbibing the God Himself! Reminds one of transubstantiation, don't it? ;o)
* Carnelian: Sacred to the Meditteranian Ram-God, Carneius. He was the son of both Zeus and Europa, as well as one of Apollon's many male lovers. Furthermore, He was conflated with His brilliant par-amour as Apollo-Carneius, or "the Horned Apollo"-- this is thought to have symbolized Their union. While at the island of Thera Carneius was honourd with homoerotic rites.

Anyway, I was planning on getting together with one of a few artisans on-line and commission them to forge a glass dildo for me that I can consecrate to the Horned One, with various crystals inside.

So, I'm hoping that anyone here might be able to list some crystals that are sacred to Him in many of His guises, as well as why-- and, if you can cite some sources for me, all the better (this is an aspect of my personal education that I would like to further persue).

Take Care,
Wade MacMorrighan
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[covenofkeys]

if nobody can help you out on this tonight, then i can get back to you on this tomorrow, if you like,
i got a huge book on crystals, but its very late here in England, and i gotta get some sleep!!! lol

if you like, i can pm you tomorrow, after ive posted my lesson in COT.
Nightshade.x

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

This might depend on what god you're aiming for, and that might have a bit to do with orientation....I mean, if one is gay, then presumably Apollo or Dionysus would be something to aim at...
Anything solar would probably be a good bet....as might some purple things if you're aiming for that LGBT type thing. While amethyst is a stone of Dionysus, it's also a stone of Artemis, renowned for her chastity, and the stone was altered to honour someone who died for her refusal to have a good time. You might want to consider that...
The type of topaz known as hyacinth might be a good idea if you're working with a more Apollo type thing...
I would also suggest looking for something called 'sceptre quartz', which is a quartz crystal with a large end that is extremely phallic....I have a little one on my altar, it always gets a laugh from people who see it :P

[MacMorrighan]

Well, yes, it could depend, however, the specific deity matters little to me, so long as they are horned, and I can construct an asthetically-pleasing piece. I am a worshipper of the Horned One, regardless of the name-- it all tastes like chicken! :cheers:

LOL... Yeah, I'm tempted to shock friends and family with my Altar to the Horned God, with plenty of phallic stuff abounding! Heh heh heh... :lol:


This might depend on what god you're aiming for, and that might have a bit to do with orientation....I mean, if one is gay, then presumably Apollo or Dionysus would be something to aim at...
Anything solar would probably be a good bet....as might some purple things if you're aiming for that LGBT type thing. While amethyst is a stone of Dionysus, it's also a stone of Artemis, renowned for her chastity, and the stone was altered to honour someone who died for her refusal to have a good time. You might want to consider that...
The type of topaz known as hyacinth might be a good idea if you're working with a more Apollo type thing...
I would also suggest looking for something called 'sceptre quartz', which is a quartz crystal with a large end that is extremely phallic....I have a little one on my altar, it always gets a laugh from people who see it :P

[MacMorrighan]

if nobody can help you out on this tonight, then i can get back to you on this tomorrow, if you like,
i got a huge book on crystals, but its very late here in England, and i gotta get some sleep!!! lol

if you like, i can pm you tomorrow, after ive posted my lesson in COT.
Nightshade.x

Hey, thanks! I can't wait! Please e-mail me directly at: Wade@MacMorrighan.Net so I'll see it sooner.

The only books I own that really even discuss some (and that's a qualified SOME) ritual Magick and paleo-pagan uses of crystrals is Cunningham's book, and Agrippa's Three Books of Occult Philosophy! However, with herbs, I can recommend tons of boioks from my shelf, drom Christian Ratchs, to Gerard and Culpepper, etc. ;)

[Mouse]

Interesting project.
I can't think of anything off hand, especially seeming I'm not polytheistic, but I'll keep this in mind incase I remember anything.
The only thing I can think of, is there are artisans who make dildos in the shape of the animal of your choice's penis. If you believe the Horned one was truly half goat or deer this might be an option for you.
Personally I couldn't take my altar seriously if there was a dildo there, but it's an interesting concept.

Good luck with your project.

ETA: Some woods may be sacred to the Horned one. Possibly find the right piece of petrified wood to include?

[Moonlight's Daughter]

Here is a list of Horned gods through different pantheyons-my patron god, The Green Man is among them (he is depicted with and without horns depending)

http://www.paganspath.com/magik/hornedgod.htm

As far as stones go, carneilian is good-However you might want to meditate and see if the God specifies what crystal would be good for you to work with or what crystal feels right.

[StormVixen]

i would rather have a crystal thats carved in a phallic shape... im actually thinkin of trying to get a moss agate one... i am a devotee of "Cernunnos" and moss agate just seems to fit... i feel its always best to go with your intuition...

http://www.crystalpleasures.com/all-products.html

[skilly-nilly]

Dionysus has horns?? I didn't know that. What kind?

[MacMorrighan]

The only thing I can think of, is there are artisans who make dildos in the shape of the animal of your choice's penis. If you believe the Horned one was truly half goat or deer this might be an option for you.[/qote]

Really? Now, that's at least a little bit interesting! I've never heard of such a thing. Could you direct me to them? I'd be interested in taking a look at their artistic wares.

[QUOTE=Mouse;2955633]Personally I couldn't take my altar seriously if there was a dildo there, but it's an interesting concept.

Good luck with your project.

Really, you couldn't? Well, this projects not for my main Altar,. but to my bed-side Altar that's dedicated purely to Him. ;)

[MacMorrighan]

Here is a list of Horned gods through different pantheyons-my patron god, The Green Man is among them (he is depicted with and without horns depending).

Interesting! Do you mean that some foliate images of the Gren Man (such as in EWngland) appear horned? I've never seen any examples before. Could you direct me to some? Or are you using purely modern representations of the Green Man that was given horns?

By the way, if you've read how Hutton had thrashed any possibility for the Green Man being, in any way, a pagan God, you will be happy to know that not all scholars agree with him! Many scholars of repute emphatically state that the Green Man is of pre-Christian origins (period)! Hutton's denial of this stems purely from his ignorance of the evidence in the matter! Read the academic monograph by Samantha Riches called St. George! Her book really puts Hutton in his place!

[MacMorrighan]

Dionysus has horns?? I didn't know that. What kind?

He's a Bull-God, of course!

[MacMorrighan]

i would rather have a crystal thats carved in a phallic shape... im actually thinkin of trying to get a moss agate one... i am a devotee of "Cernunnos" and moss agate just seems to fit... i feel its always best to go with your intuition...

http://www.crystalpleasures.com/all-products.html

Hey, thanks for the nifty site! I know a friend that's been lookin for one of those for years!

[Meadhbh]

I'm not sure if this is what your looking for, but this is interesting:

The Uktena is a great snake, as large as a tree trunk, with horns on its head, and a bright, blazing crest like a diamond on its forehead, and scales glittering like sparks of fire. It has rings or spots of color along its whole length. The blazing diamond is called Ulunsuti (transparent), and he who can win it may become the greatest wonder worker of the tribe, but it is worth a mans life to attempt it, for whoever has seen the Uktena is so dazed by the bright light that he runs toward the snake instead of trying to escape. Even to see the Uktena asleep is death, not for the hunter himself, but for his family. Of all the daring warriors who have started out in search of the Ulunsuti only a great magican or conjurer ever came back successfull. The East Cherokee still keep the one he brought. It is like a large transparnet crystal, nearly the shape of a cartridge bullet, with a blood red strike running though the center from top to bottom. Twice a year it must have the blood of a deer or some other large animal. No white man must ever see it. Whoever own the Ulunsuti is sure of success in hunting, love, rain-making, and every other business, but its great use in life is prophecy. When it is consulted for this purpose the future the future is seen mirrored in the clear crystal as a tree is reflected in the quiet stream below, and the conjuror knows whether a sick man will recover, whether the warrior will return from battle, or whether the youth will live to be old.
http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Content/Images/Journal/2003/Summer/SerpentMound/romain_symbol_uktena180.jpg http://208.50.7.241/images/thss302.jpg

[omar]

Cernunnos has deer antlers, Pan & Bophemat goat horns. Do not know about the others.

[Moonlight's Daughter]

Interesting! Do you mean that some foliate images of the Gren Man (such as in EWngland) appear horned? I've never seen any examples before. Could you direct me to some? Or are you using purely modern representations of the Green Man that was given horns?

By the way, if you've read how Hutton had thrashed any possibility for the Green Man being, in any way, a pagan God, you will be happy to know that not all scholars agree with him! Many scholars of repute emphatically state that the Green Man is of pre-Christian origins (period)! Hutton's denial of this stems purely from his ignorance of the evidence in the matter! Read the academic monograph by Samantha Riches called St. George! Her book really puts Hutton in his place!


I dont read Hutton. I was called so I answered. I really go by intuition most of the time-The Green Man is Himself but also to me, another facet of Pan, Dyionisus (sp) and Baccus (sp) amoung others like the Horned God-ect.

So it doesnt bother me..LOL I always take what authors say and review it and if it doesnt feel right or true-I let it go.. lol

I have seen different interpretations of him-some have horns. The older ones dont but that doesnt make the newer ones wrong. He shows himself to many people different ways IMO.

[Moonlight's Daughter]

Here are some links:

http://www.green-man-of-cercles.org/articles/lion_horns_a_green_man_variant.pdf

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/green_man.html

[Carla O'Harris]

He's a Bull-God, of course!

Not only bull horns, but goat horns as well.

[MacMorrighan]

Not only bull horns, but goat horns as well.

Neat! I'm not terribly well versed on Dionysos, but will eventually become so for a book I will be eventually writing.

[MacMorrighan]

I'm not sure if this is what your looking for, but this is interesting:

The Uktena is a great snake, as large as a tree trunk, with horns on its head, and a bright, blazing crest like a diamond on its forehead, and scales glittering like sparks of fire. It has rings or spots of color along its whole length. The blazing diamond is called Ulunsuti (transparent), and he who can win it may become the greatest wonder worker of the tribe, but it is worth a mans life to attempt it, for whoever has seen the Uktena is so dazed by the bright light that he runs toward the snake instead of trying to escape. Even to see the Uktena asleep is death, not for the hunter himself, but for his family. Of all the daring warriors who have started out in search of the Ulunsuti only a great magican or conjurer ever came back successfull. The East Cherokee still keep the one he brought. It is like a large transparnet crystal, nearly the shape of a cartridge bullet, with a blood red strike running though the center from top to bottom. Twice a year it must have the blood of a deer or some other large animal. No white man must ever see it. Whoever own the Ulunsuti is sure of success in hunting, love, rain-making, and every other business, but its great use in life is prophecy. When it is consulted for this purpose the future the future is seen mirrored in the clear crystal as a tree is reflected in the quiet stream below, and the conjuror knows whether a sick man will recover, whether the warrior will return from battle, or whether the youth will live to be old.

Hey, thanks! Actually, I am researching as many Horned Gods as I can possibly locate across the earth-- touching upon every continent: "black" Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Asian/Eastern Countries, Eastern Europe, Germany, South America, North America, Artic countries, etc.!

[RavenStars]

http://www.crystalpleasures.com/all-products.html

What a cool site. Anyone got any others? I'm looking for a statue, so ceramic would work as well. While, I'm waiting for the Mother to provide me with the cash to get one of the fossil agite one, of course!

[Nitefalle]

Well, I am a devotee of Cernunnos, so this comes from UPG, not any cited source, but he does like copper. If you could include copper, or perhaps copper in its raw form, that would be good, too.

[covenofkeys]

have sent you the info, i said i was going to in regards to this. if you would like their direct contact number, i will pm it to you if you like.x

[StormVixen]

Well, I am a devotee of Cernunnos, so this comes from UPG, not any cited source, but he does like copper. If you could include copper, or perhaps copper in its raw form, that would be good, too.

hmmm... maybe that explanes my addiction to copper then...! i guess he would also like copper based crystals aswell then such as malacite(sp?) (although its toxic so i guess its probly best not to use it as a <ahem>dildo!)