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Adam Of Avalon
April 1st, 2002, 07:07 PM
This is a question for adults as well as teens: Should teens be allowed to wear pajama pants to school?

Personally, I wouldn't be caught dead in public with pajama pants. However, that's just my preference. I see no problem with those who choose to do so because it doesn't disrupt the learning process. Unfortunately, our right-wing administrators see matters in a different light.

What do YOU think?

Old Witch
April 1st, 2002, 07:13 PM
You wear pajamas to bed, not school!!

shnen
April 1st, 2002, 08:04 PM
me and a friend were late for exams and just threw on our jackets and went to school... I don't think on purpose is a good idea, but if it comes to missing your bus or not... I would have dailed the course!

I grew up in the country, we wore track pants to school...

i the city... naw...

Starry Di
April 1st, 2002, 08:13 PM
If they are appropriate, I don't see why not *shrugs* :$

Chibi-Fallon
April 1st, 2002, 08:19 PM
I don't get this whole bit. Why does it matter? I don't wear them to school myself but if people want to why should others stop them? I mean we already have about 10 pajama days at my school anyway.
Would people rather us try and "defy the dress code" by wearing tube tops or sagging our pants to the point where we can no longer walk? :rolleyes: You'd think people would be happy that we're covering up but nooooooo.
Adults just refuse to like anything teens do. When you hit 21 they make you sign something that says that I'm sure of it. ;)

Nyx
April 1st, 2002, 08:26 PM
Personally, I think it looks silly. I thought that in highschool too.
I don't think it causes any problems that "disrupt the learning process", but I can think of at least a few reasons why a school would ban kids from dressing that way. It's not appropriate dress for school. At home, fine, but school, no. Same for movies, the mall, etc. It's just tacky. Same for people wearing slippers to school. You should wear REAL shoes, not fluffy bunny heads.

Flaire-FireStar
April 1st, 2002, 08:37 PM
:lol: A couple of friends of mine wore pajama pants to school all the time ~ mind you, they acutally looked *good* on them and no one had a problem with it.

I, on the other hand, wouldn't be caught dead in pajama pants outside my house! (Or even to answer the door..:eek: )

MistOfTheSea86
April 1st, 2002, 08:37 PM
I wear my operation pajama pants to school all the time:) They are all orange and have the operation man all over them, I dont see a problem with it. Unless your pajama's are nothing but underwear lol

Laiste
April 1st, 2002, 09:13 PM
I once read an article/interview in New Yorker magazine with Madonna...she said she used to wear pajama pants to clubs because she really didn't have much else. So I say let the kids wear pajamas to school!!:p If Madonna got away with it at clubs then the kids can do it at shcool!!;) My friends daughter wears them on occasion and I think they look cute! In my opinion it's just another form of expression!! I see nothing wrong with it! School authorities and parents should spend less time worrying about things like this and more time on the bigger issues...like drug use and such!

Oh and Chibi...I assure you that there is nothing you have to sign at age 21!!!:D I know it may seem that way but it's not the case for every adult! Some of us still remember what it was like to be a teen!:)

Hey I might get rebelious and start wearing them to the supermarket!!;) :p

flar7
April 1st, 2002, 10:03 PM
pajamas? dont wear em.
to school? not unless its a special day or sumtin.
schools are where you go to learn, education and discipline.
like the army, except less gunplay(barely)
Schools with stricter dress codes have less problems than other
schools, and its not cause of the clothes, its cause they are making
the children obey the rules. Kinda one of the things school is about.

WandererInGray
April 1st, 2002, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Laiste
Hey I might get rebelious and start wearing them to the supermarket!!;) :p

*chuckles*
Hey I wear them to the grocery store now. There's absolutely no point in putting jeans on if I'm just running to the store at 10pm to buy ice cream! ;)

And now I'm wondering what the reaction would be if I mentioned that my boss....an "old" man of 35 :D wears Tazmainian Devil slippers in our office every so often.

"You may have to grow old, but you can be immature forever."

Flaire-FireStar
April 1st, 2002, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by WandererInGray



And now I'm wondering what the reaction would be if I mentioned that my boss....an "old" man of 35 :D wears Tazmainian Devil slippers in our office every so often.



:lol: Maybe it's pajama day and he forgot to tell everyone else. :T

Radocs
April 1st, 2002, 11:53 PM
I don't see any big deal with pajama pants.. They're still pants...

Armitage
April 2nd, 2002, 12:07 AM
Yup. At least they're pants and not the underwear-like shorts I see some (entirely too young) girls wearing.

Flaire-FireStar
April 2nd, 2002, 12:11 AM
:lol: Hotpants?

Myst
April 2nd, 2002, 12:19 AM
It's **school**'

I don't go to a private/catholic school because of those darn dress codes

puh I'll wear what I want thankyaverymuch! :D

Flaire-FireStar
April 2nd, 2002, 12:24 AM
:bigredgri I would have loved to have a dress code for any of the schools I went to... But *sigh* public schools ain't got 'em!


:p

Danustouch
April 2nd, 2002, 02:25 AM
Well..it's been many years since I was in Highschool. So I can view this from a standpoint of someone looking back. When I was in school, i didn't want any dress code. And, even in college, I was known to hop out of bed and put anything within reach on to go to class...many times, looking like death warmed over. But...now that I'm an adult, and look back at my time in school, I have realized something. One of the primary focus' of highschool, and college, is to prepare you for "The Real World"..and a "Career". You can't go into the real world, or your job, dressed in your pajama's, or whatever happens to be laying on the floor near your bed. The old addage "Dress for Success", really DOES mean something. You are very MUCH graded on your appearance, in the real world. If one makes a continual habit of dressing slovenly to attend classes, what does that say about their attitude toward school? If one has that attitude in school, what will that mean later on, when they enter "The Real World"? I think that parents should make their children dress appropriately for school. I'm not saying that they have to wear suits and dresses..but by all means, that their appearance should be neat, and orderly. These ideals of "Dressing for Success"..and caring about your appearance, need to be started early. Because it's that much harder when suddenly you are thrust into the buisness world, and into job interviews, etc...to become a neat, organized, and professional looking individual, if all you're life, you've not done that. I know it's a bummer. We all like the freedom to be ourselves, even in appearance. But, unfortunately, it's the way the world works. People are judged by their appearance most of the time. Thus, starting early, by taking pride in your appearance, and trying to dress neatly, will give you a better start in life, imo.

Not to mention...I don't know about you guys..but..if I'm wearing sweat pants and a t-shirt, or flannel jammy bottoms, I feel more like kicking back and watching television, or sleeping, then doing any sort of work! Even around my house, i don't get motivated during the day, until I change out of my pajama's, and put on some "real" clothes.

To make a sort of parallel...when you get ready to do a ritual, there are usually certain things a person does to put themselves into the "mood". Certain music, lighting candles, drawing a circle, donning a ritual robe...etc. Well...just like in Circle, there are certain things one should do to put them in the right mind frame for learning. Staying in ones' bedclothes, or donning bedclothes, for school, doesn't allow that crucial shifting of gears, in my opinion, between relaxing and vegging out..to applying onesself to ones studies.

Garnet
April 2nd, 2002, 02:38 AM
Those pajama pants made out of t-shirt fabric are great! I bought several pairs last year when I broke my ankle. I could get them over my cast & the dark ones looked okay to go out in, as long as it wasn't anyplace really nice. I tried my long t-shirt/tunics, but most were so long they interfered with my crutches (although I am extraordinarily clumsy to start with).
I wear them outside, but just to fill the birdfeeder, feed the Squirrel from Hell, & take the trash out, but I don't wear them in public anymore.
High school *sigh* girls weren't allowed to wear any kind of pants/slacks until I was a senior, & then shorts & even jeans were still forbidden. The cafteria food was gross, too. No choices like pizza, salad, etc. just whatever mystery food was tossed on your tray.
You high schoolers are so lucky.
I'm going to stop before I start to sound like my dad..."I had to walk seven miles to school & it was uphill in both directions!":rotfl:

Sequoia
April 2nd, 2002, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by Armitage
Yup. At least they're pants and not the underwear-like shorts I see some (entirely too young) girls wearing.

if I wanted to see a girl's butt, I could buy a playboy magazine. . . -_-; it seriously disturbs me to see girls wearing shorts shorter than briefs. I do not WANT to see little girl's butts in public, thank you. Is she racing in track? no? Is she going swimming in them? no? then what the heck is a 12 year old doing wearing pants that cover less than a pair of underwear? -_-; look, I have a bad enough time dealing with older teens and adults wearing those kind of demeaning, skimpy clothes that yell "look at me! I'ma fashion statement! I'm gonna wear a neckline so low you can almost see my nipples and a hem so high you can see my a**, then sue you for sexual harassment when you stare at them!" I don't need to see little girls doing the same thing. It's disturbing. People wonder why we have so many problems in our society. . . look at the kind of values we're pushing. . . those are values? I'd call them NEGATIVE values. Freedom in movement is one thing. Wearing your underwear in denim and calling them shorts is something entirely different.

I've worn pajama bottoms to work, and gotten compliments from my boss and co-workers. I figure if the kid is going to school, who gives a crap what they wear, so long as it's not "F*CK ALL YOU *insert racial slur here*" in bold text across the front. I mean. . . gods. If the kid is happy and learns in it, and the other kids are learning, then who really cares? School uniforms are just fine, but if you aren't having uniforms, then for heaven's sake why get all bent out of shape because of a kid wearing some slightly different pants? I bet those kids could say it was part of their cultural heritage and get off just fine from it. . . -_-; *sighs* it's like how kids can have their parents sign vouchers so that they don't have to wear the school colours or style or whatever. The kids who weren't causing a problem in the first place are dressed as they're supposed to, and the ones who wear the stupid and nasty things are wearing them still, ANYWAY! sheesh. Though I suppose a friend of mine made a point, "it makes them all the easier to spot."

Phoenix Blue
April 2nd, 2002, 08:10 AM
Given that school is really little more than an oversized playpen for kids whose parents are being productive worker bees, I'm not altogether sure what difference it makes what they wear.

Uniforms are all well and good--but who pays for them when the parents can't? I'm not sure they're the answer to the problems that schools have with discipline at any rate. . . wearing pajama pants just seems silly, though. What kind of fashion statement is that?

Niamh
April 2nd, 2002, 08:21 AM
I don't like to see pajamas in school. I can understand the freedom of expression, and the late for the bus... But I agree with Danu and others. It seems disrespectful. But I did go to a Catholic school with uniforms! And it did everyone a lot of good. No one got made fun of for not having the latest lable.

I didn't realize kids wore pajamas to high school! Probably cuz I didn't see it first hand. But I did in college. My guy friends used to make fun of the girls in pajamas with those messy half-pony tail-I-just-got-out-of-bed hair styles. I'm not talking about girls who did it once... we had girls who did it ALL the time! And yes, it seemed like mostly girls...

Faery-Wings
April 2nd, 2002, 08:50 AM
I am on the fence on this one. Some of those pajama bottoms are cute and with a nice top and accessories, why should it be a problem? They look nicer than some types of sweats.

On the other side, when I was in HS and college, taking my education classes, we *were* graded on our appearance. As well as having all of our classes at 8am. My professers felt that if we truly wanted to be educators, then part of that is dressing the part and being in class at 8am. *remembers sleepily going through closet to find nice pants and sweaters at 7am, while roomates were sleeping or wearing sweats to class*

I feel that wearing appropriate clothes is important and makes a statement whether you take school seriously. However, I feel that there is a place for self expression. I think that kids should be able to have that outlet as long as it is within reason.

Can't sit more on the fence than that!

Chris

crickett
April 2nd, 2002, 08:57 AM
what the big hullabaloo about jammie pants is for..my daughters girlfriend wore jammie pants to school all the time, and i thought they were kinda cute..they wernt tight, or see through...they wernt ripped..garrish..or hangin off her but..which is more than i can say for an awful lot of pants i see in my daughters "cosmo girl " magazine.

WandererInGray
April 2nd, 2002, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Danustouch
Not to mention...I don't know about you guys..but..if I'm wearing sweat pants and a t-shirt, or flannel jammy bottoms, I feel more like kicking back and watching television, or sleeping, then doing any sort of work! Even around my house, i don't get motivated during the day, until I change out of my pajama's, and put on some "real" clothes.


*shrugs* I get work done when I'm motivated to do it for one reason or another....not because of what I happen to have covering me at the moment.

In fact, I'm actually *more* inclined to work harder in a comfy pair of jeans or pajama pants than I am in an uncomfortable skirt, because I can concentrate on the work and not the stupid pinching pantyhose. :rolleyes:

:D But then...that's why I'm going to be the eccentric author and not the power broker. Because then I could even wear pajamas to the Oscars if I wanted to. ;)

"Poor people are crazy Jack, I'm eccentric!" ~Speed

Danustouch
April 2nd, 2002, 10:17 AM
Heh...well..i'm not suggesting someone should have to wear skirts and dresses to school. But neat clothes. Whether that simply means a clean pair of jeans, with no holes in them, or stains on them, and a tee shirt in good condition, OR a nicely pressed pair of pants, and a sweater, OR a skirt..

Just not Pajama pants.

And yes, I suppose the standard is vastly differen't for a person who works in their own house. When I say I have to change out of my nightclothes, I do NOT mean I'm about to put on a power suit. But..at least a pair of jeans and a clean shirt :)

Kaylara
April 2nd, 2002, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Danustouch
Well..it's been many years since I was in Highschool. So I can view this from a standpoint of someone looking back. When I was in school, i didn't want any dress code. And, even in college, I was known to hop out of bed and put anything within reach on to go to class...many times, looking like death warmed over. But...now that I'm an adult, and look back at my time in school, I have realized something. One of the primary focus' of highschool, and college, is to prepare you for "The Real World"..and a "Career". You can't go into the real world, or your job, dressed in your pajama's, or whatever happens to be laying on the floor near your bed. The old addage "Dress for Success", really DOES mean something. You are very MUCH graded on your appearance, in the real world. If one makes a continual habit of dressing slovenly to attend classes, what does that say about their attitude toward school? If one has that attitude in school, what will that mean later on, when they enter "The Real World"? I think that parents should make their children dress appropriately for school. I'm not saying that they have to wear suits and dresses..but by all means, that their appearance should be neat, and orderly. These ideals of "Dressing for Success"..and caring about your appearance, need to be started early. Because it's that much harder when suddenly you are thrust into the buisness world, and into job interviews, etc...to become a neat, organized, and professional looking individual, if all you're life, you've not done that. I know it's a bummer. We all like the freedom to be ourselves, even in appearance. But, unfortunately, it's the way the world works. People are judged by their appearance most of the time. Thus, starting early, by taking pride in your appearance, and trying to dress neatly, will give you a better start in life, imo.

Not to mention...I don't know about you guys..but..if I'm wearing sweat pants and a t-shirt, or flannel jammy bottoms, I feel more like kicking back and watching television, or sleeping, then doing any sort of work! Even around my house, i don't get motivated during the day, until I change out of my pajama's, and put on some "real" clothes.

To make a sort of parallel...when you get ready to do a ritual, there are usually certain things a person does to put themselves into the "mood". Certain music, lighting candles, drawing a circle, donning a ritual robe...etc. Well...just like in Circle, there are certain things one should do to put them in the right mind frame for learning. Staying in ones' bedclothes, or donning bedclothes, for school, doesn't allow that crucial shifting of gears, in my opinion, between relaxing and vegging out..to applying onesself to ones studies.

Danus honey... I have a professional job, and I can wear whatever I want to work. We are very laid back here unless we have a business trip to go on or one of the corporate guys is coming in. In school I dressed how I wanted to depending on my mood. If that meant love beads, a flower garland in my hair, and hippie clothes, or going gothed out, it didn't matter... I had my own style and still do. No job is going to change that. I respect my co-workers, and so don't come in really outrageously dressed (unless they ask me too which DOES happen) but I am free to dress as I wish.

I think that Pj pants are fine... At least the kids are wearing pants and covering up. My sister, and several of my friends wore pj pants to school on a regular basis... And hell, I like the way my pj pants look, so if I want to wear them out in public, or don't feel like dressing up to go, I'll wear them. I have no one to impress, nor do I care to befriend people who would belittle me about my fashion sense. It's none of their business and if they can't accept the way I dress, they sure as Hades are going to have a hard time dealing with my personality. ;)

And BTW, all public schools have dress codes... Not all of them have uniforms... There is a distinct difference between these two things...

Kaylara

Xander67
April 2nd, 2002, 10:31 AM
ah, let em wear their Jammies :)

when I was in NY, some of the so things people wore to work, (Escpeciially in the art community and web geekville) were very creative, and yes people wore their PJ's and even Robes,

it made it more comfy!!

I would not oppose it, :) let the kids have a bit of fun and express thier individuality :T

Myst
April 2nd, 2002, 11:19 AM
School *isn't* work anyway.

Learning to wear nicer clothes to work isn't something that takes years to do. I don't think people have a problem wearing appropriate clothes for work as is. And I don't think wearing "nice clothes" is something that people in a school should be trying to concentrate on anyway.

Xander67
April 2nd, 2002, 11:24 AM
:nonono:

here here

Chibi-Fallon
April 2nd, 2002, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Danustouch
Staying in ones' bedclothes, or donning bedclothes, for school, doesn't allow that crucial shifting of gears, in my opinion, between relaxing and vegging out..to applying onesself to ones studies.

My first hour starts at 7:30! I could wear a prom dress and I still wouldn't be learning. And it's not like they're making us not learn, I know at least in MN our test scores are still above the national average.
And last year we had some of the smartest 8th graders in the country. Yet we all wore pajama pants and learned. Yes, it can be done.
Come on, do you really think how you dress in high school prepares you for how you dress later in life? Find your high school Goths, thespians, and cheerleaders. I doubt their still dressing like they did in high school. I know I won't be dressing like I dress later in life.

Anyway, it seems like some people (not necessarily you Danustouch ) have forgotten what it's like to *get up* for high school. So here's my day. Keep in mind I normally can get to bed around 11pm-12pm.
My alarm goes off at 6:15 am, if I'm lucky I can actually get out of bed around 6:30/6:45. I have to be downstairs to eat something (most of the time I skip this part because I have no time) by 7:00, and I have to be out the door by 7:15 (in the spring I can leave later). So I can get to school at 7:25, go to my locker and get to class on time.
I get to "sleep in" compared to most. If you want us to dress nice get us later start times. Then well talk.
And people seem to have the idea that we just get up and leave when we wear pajama pants. They're like wearing normal pants, you don't suddenly become this mindless slob unless you were one already. Give us a break. If we don't wanna learn in the first place jeans aren't going to help matters. Most of the troublemakers I've noticed aren't the ones wearing pajama pants anyway.
Uniforms suck no one wants them. We hate our dress code as it is. Pajama pants are fine, they're not killing anyone. They're not even hurting anyone. And even if you think it looks tacky we have a right to dress as tackally as we want.

Phoenix Blue
April 2nd, 2002, 12:39 PM
Quoth Chibi-Fallon:
(most of the time I skip this part because I have no time) by 7:00, and I have to be out the door by 7:15 (in the spring I can leave later). So I can get to school at 7:25, go to my locker and get to class on time.
I get to "sleep in" compared to most. If you want us to dress nice get us later start times. Then well talk.
When I was in Air Force technical training, I was oftentimes up until 10:00 or 11:00 PM, either cleaning or studying. First formation was 5:00 AM--well before the crack of dawn. We were expected to be in a presentable uniform and in formation, ready for Reveille. :) Yeah, I lived on coffee, and I'm not even a coffee drinker. . . but you know, I loved the days when I could sleep in until 0700.

Nowadays, I have it better. I don't have to be at work until 7:00 AM; I can get up at 6:30 and be to work on-time. That's because I have my uniform ready at night, so that I can simply throw it on and still look sharp the next morning. And I go to bed as early as 10:00 PM, depending on how tired I am.


Uniforms suck no one wants them. We hate our dress code as it is.
I guess you'll hate dress codes when you're working in an office, too? **Shakes head** Honestly, dear, you'll be expected to conform to someone else's rules so long as you're on someone else's time, whether you're paid for that time or not.


Pajama pants are fine, they're not killing anyone. They're not even hurting anyone. And even if you think it looks tacky we have a right to dress as tackally as we want.

No, I'm fairly sure the "right to dress tackily" is not in the Constitution nor in any law. Your parents have the right to disenroll you from a school whose dress code policy you view as unacceptable. . . but that right does not extend to violating the policy of the school you attend. And in any event, your rights as a minor are much more limited than the rights you hold as an adult.

Danustouch
April 2nd, 2002, 12:52 PM
I'm not saying that schools should ban them...i'm saying that if I had kids of my own, I'd tell them "NO" they could not wear their pajama bottoms to school.

Kaylara, I'm aware that some companies have a more casual approach to dress. However, I used to work for a large corporation (Grolier Intl, before it was sold to Scholastic), and I can tell you that in our company...sweatpants and sweat shirts, holey jeans, shorts that rose above the knee, sandals and open toed shoes, mini skirts, and low cut blouses or those blouses exposing too much skin, were strictly forbidden. Many large corporations are similar, in dress code. I'm not saying it's impossible for one to find a job, where relaxed clothing is allowed, however, you'll notice that most executives of large companies, managers, etc, do dress in buisness clothes. Even when I worked a cashier job, at a local convenience store, the dress code was similar to that which I mentioned above. I think that the jobs which allow total freedom of clothing preference, are still few in number.

I don't really advocate school regulated uniforms, or strict dress codes (by strict, i mean demanding girls wear skirts, and boys wear suits). But..I do think that parents should perhaps excercise a little more judgement in what they allow their children to wear to school.

School isn't the workplace...this much is true. But it is the Training ground, for the work place. This is why schools offer classes in trades such as drafting, computers, culinary arts, foreighn languages...etc. And why schools teach you organizational skills, etc.

flar7
April 2nd, 2002, 07:57 PM
Its not the clothes, its the attitude. I dont wanna wear that and
you cant make me. That attitude stays with you for life unless
someone changes it. It is about learning self-discipline. I would
hire the self-disciplined person over the not. And, you can fake
your way into a job, but holding it is another matter entirely.
As for getting up early....heheh, dont stay up so late. When I did
construction, we were on site at sun-up, that meant a 5am wake
up, and sometimes earlier if the drive to work was further. After
a couple days like that, you really cant stay up much past 10!:eek: