Black Mahdgjickque

[H.P. Dolamite]

*DISCLAIMER*
I used the term Black Mahdgjickque for people to understand what I'm talking about, even though I don't subscribe to the whole "color/spelling" hoopla.



Anyways,
Is this form of negative mahdgjickque nothing more than someones last ditch attempt to gain some closure over a situation they have no control of? It seems when people speak of this type of action, its always seems to regain some lost control over something where they feel powerless, over a certain person, persons, or situation.

And some seem to think its just "witchy" or "dark" to tell people "Yea, I cursed people, I gave them lice" and the such.

Yeea.....oooook.


From a personal view, IMO, I see this as nothing more than possibly someone seeking closure and not being able to get it though mundane means.
It's a good way to make oneself feel better without actually doing anything constructive to the situation.

So, my question to you is:

Is this type of action for personal empowerment? An action by lack of action to make someone feel in control of a situation?

Or, what? I'm curious to see what others think.

Go!

[MankyCat]

*DISCLAIMER*
I used the term Black Mahdgjickque for people to understand what I'm talking about, even though I don't subscribe to the whole "color/spelling" hoopla.



Anyways,
Is this form of negative mahdgjickque nothing more than someones last ditch attempt to gain some closure over a situation they have no control of? It seems when people speak of this type of action, its always seems to regain some lost control over something where they feel powerless, over a certain person, persons, or situation.

And some seem to think its just "witchy" or "dark" to tell people "Yea, I cursed people, I gave them lice" and the such.

Yeea.....oooook.


From a personal view, IMO, I see this as nothing more than possibly someone seeking closure and not being able to get it though mundane means.
It's a good way to make oneself feel better without actually doing anything constructive to the situation.

So, my question to you is:

Is this type of action for personal empowerment? An action by lack of action to make someone feel in control of a situation?

Or, what? I'm curious to see what others think.

Go!


Could be a form of self protection and a lesson to the other person to stop what they are doing. (Binding doesn't necessarily teach that lesson.)

[H.P. Dolamite]

Could be a form of self protection and a lesson to the other person to stop what they are doing. (Binding doesn't necessarily teach that lesson.)

But wouldn't a mundane respone provide more accurate, faster results?

And when did Mahdgjickque become something used to "teach other people lessons." What happened to teaching yourself lessons?

What I mean is, from my observations, telling someone to stop doing something, or just plain ex-communication of the said person, is bypassed so someone can use their Mahdgjickque. And then tell people about it. Not even really knowing if that cold someone picked up is even connected, but they are sure quick to claim responsibility.

I understand the concept of self-protection, but wouldn't something more closely related to actual "self protection Mahdgjickque" be more applicable then some kind of outward Mahdgjickque at someone?


I mean, if someone has this suppossed power to curse someone, why not use the same power to protect themselves, instead?

[MankyCat]

But wouldn't a mundane respone provide more accurate, faster results?

And when did Mahdgjickque become something used to "teach other people lessons." What happened to teaching yourself lessons?

What I mean is, from my observations, telling someone to stop doing something, or just plain ex-communication of the said person, is bypassed so someone can use their Mahdgjickque. And then tell people about it. Not even really knowing if that cold someone picked up is even connected, but they are sure quick to claim responsibility.

I understand the concept of self-protection, but wouldn't something more closely related to actual "self protection Mahdgjickque" be more applicable then some kind of outward Mahdgjickque at someone?


I mean, if someone has this suppossed power to curse someone, why not use the same power to protect themselves, instead?


Sometimes, the usual methods (mundane, or otherwise) do not work, even in regards to protecting oneself. Simply learning a lesson for yourself is not going to stop another from continuing what they are doing. Most times, they will continue until they are forced to stop (and learn not to do it anymore).

If you are specific enough about what you do, you will know the connection. I never did anything that could be as ambiguous as a cold (especially if it's winter time). But my stuff is more long lasting. And I don't boast to every Tom, Dick, and Harry about it. I've always felt secrecy is an ally when it comes to magic. The only time that I feel otherwise is if someone is there with you as you cast it, the spell has run its course, or something along those lines. Boasting is something I noticed many novices people doing... or people who don't really have the ability that they want others to believe they have. I've run into both and neither were able to back up their claims at any point. (Not to say that some boasters don't have ability... I just haven't come across them yet.) Boasting can lead to a number of problems that can and will affect the abilities and successes of the boaster.

[Malcolm]

From a personal view, IMO, I see this as nothing more than possibly someone seeking closure and not being able to get it though mundane means.
It's a good way to make oneself feel better without actually doing anything constructive to the situation.


Maybe you just don't want to worry about being caught by mundane means, or maybe you just think its funny, or maybe you can't do it by mundane means because there is no physial proof they deserve it

I think there are alot of reasons for "black magic". Its just like everything else, subjective. I'm not sure you can wrap it up in a nice little package of "This is why people do that".

[Carla O'Harris]

Could be a form of self protection and a lesson to the other person to stop what they are doing. (Binding doesn't necessarily teach that lesson.)

Right, because people learn so readily from misfortune and pain --- especially when they don't know the cause!!

[ModernKnight]

From a personal view, IMO, I see this as nothing more than possibly someone seeking closure and not being able to get it though mundane means.
It's a good way to make oneself feel better without actually doing anything constructive to the situation.


If you don't believe that magic can affect the outside world, then none of our answers could possibly make sense to you. The question you pose is incompatible with our worldview.

[H.P. Dolamite]

If you don't believe that magic can affect the outside world, then none of our answers could possibly make sense to you. The question you pose is incompatible with our worldview.

You mis-read what I said.

Try again.

[H.P. Dolamite]

Right, because people learn so readily from misfortune and pain --- especially when they don't know the cause!!

8O

[MankyCat]

Right, because people learn so readily from misfortune and pain --- especially when they don't know the cause!!


Dogs with those special collars learn that if they try to go beyond a certain point of the yard, they will get shocked. They don't know where it came from, but they learn not to go beyond that point.

Children don't learn that fire hurts until they feel something hot. They might not understand at first, but they eventually learn.

When the people I'm talking about stop hurting others, then their misfortune stops. It's not a hard lesson to learn, and one that can be learned very quickly.

Btw, I'm not going to respond to further sarcastic responses beyond this last one. I'm not in any mood for it and don't see how it helps the flow of discussion. They will "fall on deaf ears". Thanks.

[H.P. Dolamite]

Maybe you just don't want to worry about being caught by mundane means, or maybe you just think its funny, or maybe you can't do it by mundane means because there is no physial proof they deserve it

I think there are alot of reasons for "black magic". Its just like everything else, subjective. I'm not sure you can wrap it up in a nice little package of "This is why people do that".



Since your a Lokean, that makes perfect sense.

:cheers:

[Theres]

If you don't believe that magic can affect the outside world, then none of our answers could possibly make sense to you. The question you pose is incompatible with our worldview.
wondering who "our" refers to?

the original post made perfect sense to me, and is not incompatible with anything in my worldview.

[Carla O'Harris]

Look, after critical and deep ethical introspection, do whatever feels right to you, but I was merely offering a critique of trying to condition people through pain, especially where the cause of pain is unknown. Perhaps that was expressed sarcastically, but I still think it is a valid point to consider.

[Philosophia]

Dogs with those special collars learn that if they try to go beyond a certain point of the yard, they will get shocked. They don't know where it came from, but they learn not to go beyond that point.
Children don't learn that fire hurts until they feel something hot. They might not understand at first, but they eventually learn.
When the people I'm talking about stop hurting others, then their misfortune stops. It's not a hard lesson to learn, and one that can be learned very quickly.

*nods* I agree. This is generally known as Aversion Therapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aversion_therapy).

[MankyCat]

Look, after critical and deep ethical introspection, do whatever feels right to you, but I was merely offering a critique of trying to condition people through pain, especially where the cause of pain is unknown. Perhaps that was expressed sarcastically, but I still think it is a valid point to consider.


Honestly, I don't see how binding is much different, simply because you are affecting someone's freedom and free will. A 'hex' or 'curse', for me, is just a step further. Pain is a subjective term. A simple bind could cause that person the same sort of "pain" that the 'hexes' or 'curses' I'm talking about can cause. It's all depends.

Sarcasm doesn't help an argument, there is no perhaps in regards to how the criticism was delivered. Second, I have no problem with discussions or debates. Creative criticisms are fine too. Outright finger pointing and aggression... well... see my statement about sarcasm in my last response.

[Teresa]

My opinion is that it is sometimes malicious with ill intents.

Some people consider this to be baneful magic and that would be what I would term it.

[Dio]

When I think to myself, "Gee, I really think this person needs to learn a lesson." I think of how much trouble it really is to harbor enough anger and seething hatred for them.... then there are the candles, and the bells and whistles, I think, "BAHH, I don't have time for this shit!"


Apathy has saved many people from certain misfortune. Yay apathy!


But seriously. I'm sure we can all think of at least one person we'd like to lay the whammy on. Whether it's a friend you've had an argument with, a co-worker making your job miserable, that guy who cut you off on the way to work, that horrible person behind the counter who had no clue what the concept of customer service was. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing to see these people covered in warts, and rashes, or some other malady? Sure it would. And it sure feels good to fantasize about it. But is it really worth the effort?

No. Because it's not worth it. No asshole is worth that sort of energy.

Not unless they do something absolutely horrific and terrible or threaten something absolutely horrific and life threatening. But until that point, I say, why bother!

Too many people bother with trivial crap. No need to trivialize magic too.

[MankyCat]

Not every reason is trivial. (Some such reasons are like cases of abusers, including child abusers and molestors.) It doesn't necessarily call for a lot of work or energy... or warts. But there is a reason that I can count on one hand how many times I've performed those types of working (not the wart types or physical maladies, mind you). It's because most times it's not worth it. Not for "a friend you've had an argument with, a co-worker making your job miserable, that guy who cut you off on the way to work, that horrible person behind the counter who had no clue what the concept of customer service was." Those are trivial and why I don't bother with them.

To each their own. The original question was a "why" question. I offered some reasons beyond the examples in the initial post. Nothing more.

I look forward to seeing other people's answers to the questions in the original post.

[Teresa]

Not unless they do something absolutely horrific and terrible or threaten something absolutely horrific and life threatening. But until that point, I say, why bother!


That is a good way to look at it. Magic can be over used like everything else on earth. In my personal experiences with spell workings I choose carefully when to work a spell for something. Alot of exploring of options and persuing mundane avenues are carried out first. I believe in leaving spells for a last resort type deal. For most issues and things that arise I can fight through in the mundane world.

[Teresa]

*DISCLAIMER*
So, my question to you is:

Is this type of action for personal empowerment? An action by lack of action to make someone feel in control of a situation?

Or, what? I'm curious to see what others think.

Go!

I do not see the use of it as personal empowerment but more of one seeking intervention and perhaps justice when other means are exhausted. I do not think it would make you feel in control of anything either. Of course this is just the way I would use it and have done so in the past.

There are people that get their kicks out of doing this type of magic to see what kinds of trouble they can cause and sit back and watch and wait. Usually though it will come back and bite them in the Rump. My belief is that for every action there is a reaction so when using this form of magic You have to weigh that in the factor. Are you willing to accept responsibility and and reprecussions from your actions?

This is my take on it. Ask someone else ,get another answer. We are a diverse people from different backgrounds. I do not see things as right or wrong, good or bad, there are lots of "shades of gray" inbetween. One must follow their own convictions.

[Rudas Starblaze]

*DISCLAIMER*
I used the term Black Mahdgjickque for people to understand what I'm talking about, even though I don't subscribe to the whole "color/spelling" hoopla.



Anyways,
Is this form of negative mahdgjickque nothing more than someones last ditch attempt to gain some closure over a situation they have no control of? It seems when people speak of this type of action, its always seems to regain some lost control over something where they feel powerless, over a certain person, persons, or situation.

And some seem to think its just "witchy" or "dark" to tell people "Yea, I cursed people, I gave them lice" and the such.

Yeea.....oooook.


From a personal view, IMO, I see this as nothing more than possibly someone seeking closure and not being able to get it though mundane means.
It's a good way to make oneself feel better without actually doing anything constructive to the situation.

So, my question to you is:

Is this type of action for personal empowerment? An action by lack of action to make someone feel in control of a situation?

Or, what? I'm curious to see what others think.

Go!

Hmm thats so funny! i have the same philosophy about people who use/do (more like attempt) "bindings"!:lol:

[morganxpage]

Right, because people learn so readily from misfortune and pain --- especially when they don't know the cause!!

One word: Pavlov.

[Xirian]

*DISCLAIMER*
So, my question to you is:

Is this type of action for personal empowerment? An action by lack of action to make someone feel in control of a situation?

Or, what? I'm curious to see what others think.

Go!

Well, I may just be reiterating what others have said, but I personally feel that sometimes, with some people, it is a case of wanting to feel empowerment or feel they have more control of the situation.

However, the two times that I have done what other's here would refer to as "baneful" or "black mahdgjickque", was done more to stop someone who I had repeatedly told not contact me or my close friends, so it was a combination of reasons. Control over my personal life and protection. He was a threatening man (my ex), and had been discharged from the military (Infantry/Airborne), for homocidal/suicidal tendencies. After 3 years of physical and verbal abuse directed at both myself and my son, I started divorce procedings while he was still in the military. When he came back to town and felt that I should stop trying to divorce him, I feared for my son and myself.

I called the police to see what I could do and they weren't able to help unless he actually was at my doorstep, which is what I was trying to avoid. I saw him one more time before I did my spell and told him I no longer wished to see him again, but he still didn't feel like I was giving him a chance and that we should continue getting together. When I saw him parked outside of a friends house where I was staying and hadn't told him I was staying there, I decided to do something about it. I do not regret it and yes it was a about control, but also keeping my family safe from him.

So, I do see what you are saying, but I don't really feel that everyone is that shallow and only does things for one reason and one reason only. There are usually many factors that play into this sort of thing, for most people, IMHO.

However, if people wish to cast baneful spells just for impowerment or control, I don't know that I see anything wrong with that because it's their personal business. I might not choose to be their friend, but to each their own. If they believe in karma then they will be bound to that. If they don't, then I guess it may turn into a baneful magic free-for-all. Who knows? I just know that for me, a lot of thought and time went into what I did and it was very much a last resort.

[Malcolm]

Okay seriously, what the hell is this "binding" crap people keep talking about??? Everyone knows that sh*t doesn't work. Bindings...lame.

If your gonna put the whammy on someone, do it with style...not a lame "Craft" style amount of bs.

Little pink ribbons and chanting "I bind you nancy..." :lol:

[ModernKnight]

You mis-read what I said.


It's a good way to make oneself feel better without actually doing anything constructive to the situation.

Right here you say in no uncertain terms that you don't think curses can do anything constructive for a situation. You don't use curses because you don't think they can help you. Some of us believe that they can, and that is why we use them.

[Sage Rainsong]

Okay seriously, what the hell is this "binding" crap people keep talking about??? Everyone knows that sh*t doesn't work. Bindings...lame.

If your gonna put the whammy on someone, do it with style...not a lame "Craft" style amount of bs.

Little pink ribbons and chanting "I bind you nancy..." :lol:

Well that is just your opinion. I have performed many successful bindings (as well as a few curses) and they worked wonderfully. For the record, I didn't use a pink ribbon and a crappy chant :hahugh: .

[Xirian]

I am with Sage on this one Malcolm. The bindings I've done have worked very well and by undoing them, it was again proven that they had worked.

Of course, they might not work for you, with the attitude that you have about them, but many people have been very successful in doing them.

I do not use any tools other than my mind to bind; no chants, no circle casting. Perhaps if that's what you feel binding is all about (pink ribbons), then maybe you've been watching too many T.V. shows and movies about witchcraft, that have no basis in the reality of many practicing witches.

[MankyCat]

If your gonna put the whammy on someone, do it with style...not a lame "Craft" style amount of bs.

Little pink ribbons and chanting "I bind you nancy..." :lol:


I always picture that scene when people talk to me about bindings. :yayah:

[Rudas Starblaze]

Okay seriously, what the hell is this "binding" crap people keep talking about??? Everyone knows that sh*t doesn't work. Bindings...lame.

If your gonna put the whammy on someone, do it with style...not a lame "Craft" style amount of bs.

Little pink ribbons and chanting "I bind you nancy..." :lol:

i agree totally! LMAO! thats why i laugh in the faces of those who attempt to do "bindings". i guess if they truely knew anything about witchcraft other then what they see in movies or read in the books at the local occult stores that shit only works on the weak and heaven forbid it be a natural born or a witch thats part psy-vamp one tries to cast that on..... the caster may as well be pissing into the wind!:lol:

ETA: anyway, i think we've strayed from the topic everyone.

[Sage Rainsong]

i agree totally! LMAO! thats why i laugh in the faces of those who attempt to do "bindings". i guess if they truely knew anything about witchcraft other then what they see in movies or read in the books at the local occult stores that shit only works on the weak and heaven forbid it be a natural born or a witch thats part psy-vamp one tries to cast that on..... the caster may as well be pissing into the wind!

ETA: anyway, i think we've strayed from the topic everyone.

I think that it is quite ignorant to assume that because someone may do binding spells that they know nothing about "real" witchcraft. To me what seems even more fluffy than doing binding spells, is proclaiming something like, "Behold, I am a psi-vamp natural witch, your spells have no power over me." Just sayin.

[Rudas Starblaze]

I think that it is quite ignorant to assume that because someone may do binding spells that they know nothing about "real" witchcraft. To me what seems even more fluffy than doing binding spells, is proclaiming something like, "Behold, I am a psi-vamp natural witch, your spells have no power over me." Just sayin.

:lol:wow! where did that come from!:lol: thats funny stuff right there!:lol:

whats ignorant are people who use binding spells and do not know what they are up against! they simply do not work on everyone.

LMFAO!!! woo! im a fluffy now!:lol:

thanx for the laugh Sage! i needed that!:lol:

[Xirian]

I think personally, that the issue with bindings may be the idea that someone actually believes they are binding the person. For me, the binding is in regards to my perspective.

I mentioned that I had bound my ex in another thread, and I don't really believe that he was physically affected by the binding, only his personal energy. However, I do believe my thoughts of his binding were actually affecting me, so that even if he was around or talking with my family etc..., that I wasn't actually privy to it. I was forcing myself to ignore any energy that he was putting forth, if that makes any sense.

I do agree with Sage again. If it doesn't work for you then that's fine, but to demean people who actually feel that they are witches because they say they have used binding effectively, is very childish, in my opinion.

To each their own.

[Rudas Starblaze]

ive done "bindings" dont get me wrong, my statement was clear from the beginning. rule No. 1 know your target and what they are capable of. some have the ability to drain the energy behind anything, some dont.

FYI: bindings should be discussed in a different thread, not this one.

[Knate]

I've done bindings before, but I didnt use ribbons or candles, just a baseball bat and swear words. Worked pretty damn good, too.

[Rudas Starblaze]

I've done bindings before, but I didnt use ribbons or candles, just a baseball bat and swear words. Worked pretty damn good, too.

:lol: thats funny right there! get'er done!:cheers:

[Xirian]

But I do want to add, that just because I perceive binding the way that I do, as more of something that ends up affecting me more, doesn't mean that I believe that all forms of binding are that way.

All I know is that what I did worked and when I unbound the individual, not more than 7 days later (after about of year of binding), they came to my old job and gave someone a message for me. The details of what actually took place, are of no concern to me, because what I did worked and that's really what matters.

For the other situation, I did not do a binding. I did a straight up curse, seguing back into the original topic.

[Rudas Starblaze]

But I do want to add, that just because I perceive binding the way that I do, as more of something that ends up affecting me more, doesn't mean that I believe that all forms of binding are that way.

All I know is that what I did worked and when I unbound the individual, not more than 7 days later (after about of year of binding), they came to my old job and gave someone a message for me. The details of what actually took place, are of no concern to me, because what I did worked and that's really what matters.

For the other situation, I did not do a binding. I did a straight up curse.

now that i admire! you obviously knew your target and what effects him/her or what not. alot of people post as if they can do a binding on anyone which is simply not true and a very fluffy attitude to have. and its even wiser that you know when to throw a hex instead of a binding. good post Xirian!:)

[Xirian]

now that i admire! you obviously knew your target and what effects him/her or what not. alot of people post as if they can do a binding on anyone which is simply not true and a very fluffy attitude to have. and its even wiser that you know when to throw a hex instead of a binding. good post Xirian! :)

That was very much the case. I knew the person well and knew what I could accomplish and what would effect him. I didn't need to curse him because as far as I was concerned, he had already been cursed by others, in one way or another.

I do not believe that I can bind just any person. I simply felt that it fit this situation specifically. The curse on the other two people was well-founded and is still working like a charm as their lives have gone to s**t. I believe some of it was their doing, but the rest of it was mine.

[MankyCat]

That was very much the case. I knew the person well and knew what I could accomplish and what would effect him. I didn't need to curse him because as far as I was concerned, he had already been cursed by others, in one way or another.

I do not believe that I can bind just any person. I simply felt that it fit this situation specifically. The curse on the other two people was well-founded and is still working like a charm as their lives have gone to s**t. I believe some of it was their doing, but the rest of it was mine.

Very well written. _handclapp

[Xirian]

One more thing to add, I also understood and still understand the consequences of my actions. And by that I mean that I know that there may be a point where I may receive something back that is negative, if I already haven't, but that is just my personal opinion. However, I do not believe it was "black magic" or any such thing. I believe it was simply magic with my intentions being negative.

[Malcolm]

I believe it was simply magic with my intentions being negative.

:)

[Sage Rainsong]

:lol:wow! where did that come from!:lol: thats funny stuff right there!:lol:

whats ignorant are people who use binding spells and do not know what they are up against! they simply do not work on everyone.

LMFAO!!! woo! im a fluffy now!:lol:

thanx for the laugh Sage! i needed that!:lol:

Where it came from was when you said "LMAO! thats why i laugh in the faces of those who attempt to do "bindings". That seems to imply that anyone who has ever tried a binding doesn't know about "real" witchcraft. If you were just saying that it may not work on everyone then yes I do agree.

[Rudas Starblaze]

Where it came from was when you said "LMAO! thats why i laugh in the faces of those who attempt to do "bindings". That seems to imply that anyone who has ever tried a binding doesn't know about "real" witchcraft. If you were just saying that it may not work on everyone then yes I do agree.

lol so i guess you didnt read or understand the rest of the original post? hell, ive spent years listening to people talking about bindings who claim to be end all know all's about witchcraft who dont seem to understand that it only works on the weak and not everyone. there are those of us who can drain the energy behind spells, from people, buildings, and what not rather it be possitive or negative, filter it, and re-use it to our advantage. alot of people cant do that, especially when it involves negative energy. thats why a binding seems to work on some people.

binding, much like banishing, rather one wants to believe it or not, does require the use of "negative" energy even if its done for a good reason. since this day and age people are usually brought up to be "nice" and taught to stay away from "evil" activity, people have no clue how to combat said negative energy when its cast their way in the form of a binding, banishment, hex/curse, or what have you. other then trowing up a protection shield, but what are they going to do if the caster can focus enough energy to blast right through said shield like an armor piercing bullet? which is very, very possible.

thats also something i blame on the modern "witchcraft" movement over the last several decades. they seem to only teach the "light and love" aspects (as mentioned in another thread) and not the entire nature of witchcraft. witchcraft is NOT the peace loving thing alot of people seem to think it is. much like nature, its very beautiful and peaceful, but it will be nasty and destructive as well. why people dont embrace and understand all aspects doesnt make sence to me. theres gotta be balance, staying on one side of fence and claiming it to be the only side, as so many do, is rediculas.

[MankyCat]

other then trowing up a protection shield, but what are they going to do if the caster can focus enough energy to blast right through said shield like an armor piercing bullet?


Or what would they do when that shield has be eaten away and left with many holes? Typically nothing, because they aren't trained to protect themselves against it. Many people are taught that all you have to do with put up a shield and you are fine. They aren't taught that they need to adapt and change depending on the circumstances.

I agree with everything you said in your last post here.

[Malcolm]

Its just like everything else, security/defense has to be a multi-layered process. If you rely on just one thing to save you, chances are it will for awhile, till they inevitably find a way a round it...or it just plain breaks under the stress.

Whhy do you think castles typically had moates and concentric rings of walls?