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-- Posted by Mairwen on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

Thought I'd jump right on in and get us going! :o)





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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969



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Quote: from Mairwen on 3:17 pm on Jan. 29, 2001
Thought I'd jump right on in and get us going! :o)
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Who were the Celts, eh? Is that a trick question?

They were...Celts.

Really I need to learn more about these people. My studies have not ventured into the history of people. Most of my studies are based on Magick and ritual.

So my question to you....who were they and who ARE they?




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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

the celts were pagans hundreds of years ago who lived in north england and scotland and ireland. they are known to hav been vicious and to have drinked the blood of their own dead, but i think that is made up and i would also like to learn more about them.
Rosabelle





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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969



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Quote: from Rosabelle on 3:13 pm on Jan. 30, 2001
the celts were pagans hundreds of years ago who lived in north england and scotland and ireland. they are known to hav been vicious and to have drinked the blood of their own dead, but i think that is made up and i would also like to learn more about them.
Rosabelle
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Gross! I thought that was Vikings. Hmm. I really cant wait to see more people in here so that we can learn about these different topics. I created a Celtic forum for the sole reason of giving a place for Celtic traditional Pagans to come and talk...so I could spy and learn!




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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

The Vikings came over from Scandinavia. they are not Native to England or Britain but the celts are.
Rosabelle





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-- Posted by eaglewolf on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969



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they are known to hav been vicious and to have drinked the blood of their own dead
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It looks like someone has watched 'Robin Hood' with Kevin Costner one too many times. ;)




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-- Posted by Zephyr on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

I don't think that it is true about them drinking their own blood. that was written by romans, and they had been fighting with them. no wonder that they wanted to make them look bad. i love finding out about celtic nations. the celtic nations are
Alba (Scotland), Breizh (Brittany), Cymru (Wales), Eire (Ireland), Kernow (Cornwall), and Mannin (Man). Glastonbury Tor is supposed to be the isle of Avalon.

love

Zephyr






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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

so what if i love Robin Hood Prince of Thieves!!!
you know the tree in the film where he is talking to Asseem (or however you spell it) and he jumps up and takes a bit of mistletoe and saus "look mistletoe" (itr is just before Wolf comes into the story) i have been there. i have touched that tree (and it is an oak tree by the way) and i hav climbed the wall (it is actually Hadrians Wall which is famous in Scotland) so i am proud to like Robin Hood Prince of Thieves!! :)
Rosabelle





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-- Posted by Mairwen on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969



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Quote: from Rosabelle on 10:24 am on Jan. 31, 2001
The Vikings came over from Scandinavia. they are not Native to England or Britain but the celts are.

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Um, sweetie. The Celts aren't in any way "native" to Britian.




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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969



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Um, sweetie. The Celts aren't in any way "native" to Britian.
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Ok. I have been doing some reading and I have found that the 'Celtic Nations' consisted of Scotland, Ireland, and Wales...and Kernow. Sound right? So. now we know where we are at...

Here is a page of links to browse.

http://www.dreamwater.com/biz/gael/links.html




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-- Posted by eaglewolf on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969



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Quote: from Rosabelle on 2:34 pm on Jan. 31, 2001
so what if i love Robin Hood Prince of Thieves!!!
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No problems here, I love the movie too... and envy your travels.

I was just adding a bit of drollery to the thread.

~ew




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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

All of this is giving me a good idea for a topic. Robin Hood? Who was he? Really.

I dont want to start it though because I am not sure it belongs here. Someone else do it where it belongs.

Love and Blessings.





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-- Posted by Mairwen on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969



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Ok. I have been doing some reading and I have found that the 'Celtic Nations' consisted of Scotland, Ireland, and Wales...and Kernow. Sound right? So. now we know where we are at...
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That's where the Celts eventually ended up. Native to the UK? No. However, they did migrate there around ... I don't have my notes handy. Anyone know where they originated? There's speculation, but I don't think anyone has any solid answers/evidence.




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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969



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Anyone know where they originated? There's speculation, but I don't think anyone has any solid answers/evidence.
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Sounds like it is research time. My favorite!





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-- Posted by eaglewolf on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

Actually, the earliest evidence associated with Celts is in France (what is now called France anyway) and western Germany at around 1200 bc.

As the were very domineering, the Celts conquered many areas and were spread widely throughout the region, which is probably why it is hard to associate them with just one country.

Just a thought.

~ew





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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

Ok. I have to ask. I have to know. Was Robin Hood a Celt?

I just dont know enough about Celtic culture.





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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969



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Quote: from mol on 6:22 pm on Feb. 1, 2001
Ok. I have to ask. I have to know. Was Robin Hood a Celt? I just dont know enough about Celtic culture.
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no he wasnt a Celt, he was definitely British (i think), and fine, everyone else has proved me wrong on the Scotland bit. i give up.......ok.......... the celts can from France or somewhere. you learn a new thing every day!!! :)
Rosabelle




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-- Posted by mol on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

Some new information:

I have been reading up a bit on the subject and a couple of the books do make note of Celtic presence in Britain at Circa 500 B.C.E. The religious leaders were predominately Druids, but as the Celts and Picts intermarried (Picts religion was Matriarchal) then God and Goddess were equally adored. Anyway...there is some info for the Fire!

Blessings!





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-- Posted by Rosabelle on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

thanks mol!





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-- Posted by Verbena on 7:00 pm on Dec. 31, 1969

The Celts of anicent history were wide spread across Europe and it was the Greeks that gave the culture it's name. The first record of this being in 500 bc, Hecataeus speak about a race "Beyond the Pillars of Hercules" Which was thought to have been Spain. They were know as a peaceful race untill that is Plato in "The Laws" classes them as combative, drunkard barbarians. This is were the Blood drinking and other such nonsence steams from. Mind you he was a little bitter, after all the Celts did sack Delphi in 273 bc. The Only place where the Celtic tradtions have remained strong have been the British Isle's. I am unaware why this is so but there is very little documented evidence or architectural remains that have survived from the rest of Europe.
If any of you have any questions on Celtic tradtions then feel free to ask, I shall do my best to answer them for you.......

[Niamh]

Yes, the Celts are thought to have come from Spain and parts of Gaul (now mostly France) which would account for the Celts being dark haired and usually having dark eyes. It was the Vikings (those crazy Vikings!) who gave me my red hair!

[Ari]

I did a whole history unit on the Celts and could dig some of my notes out, if I still have them...one of the things that struck me during the course was what an idealised view the pagan community tends to have of them, particularly in regards to the role of women and female deities in their society. In terms of equality, they were really very similar to the Vikings, ie better than the Romans of that time period, but still definately patriarchal.

[Ariannon]

<<<Ok. I have been doing some reading and I have found that the 'Celtic Nations' consisted of Scotland, Ireland, and Wales...and Kernow. Sound right?>>>

Here are some of the Celtic Tribes within the Celtic Nation:

Britons
Icini
Scot
Galicia
Breton
Manx
Pict
Wales
Eiru
Kernow
Gaul
Galati
Galatia

You see, The Celts weren't just in England/
Scotland/Wales. They reached from The Black Sea to Ireland and from Austria to Northern Italy and parts of the Iberian Penninsula. There really was a Celtic great celtic nation. The names you are interested in are of Tribes within this nation.


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Um, sweetie. The Celts aren't in any way "native" to Britian.
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No, the Celts aren't native but unlike the Vikings they came to work the land and settle, although they did fight and loot on the way to settling the land. The Celts are thought to be native by most because they had settled England, Ireland, and Scotland so thoroughly that by the time the Romans came to invade them they were very firmly rooted.

Ariannon

[Mairwen]

The Celts are thought to be native by most because they had settled England, Ireland, and Scotland so thoroughly that by the time the Romans came to invade them they were very firmly rooted.


Right, but that doesn't make them any more Native. ;)

[Ariannon]

<<<The Celts are thought to be native by most because they had settled England, Ireland, and Scotland so thoroughly that by the time the Romans came to invade them they were very firmly rooted.>>>

<<<Right, but that doesn't make them any more Native.>>>

No it doesn't. I didn't say that at all. What I was trying to get across is that by the time the Roman's got there they couldn't tell the natives from the invaders and so went against them all. The origins of the Celts are unknown. Linquistically they belong to the Indo-European peoples, whos home was North of the Black Sea. About 7,000 BCE these peoples began to wander south towards India and West towards Europe. During this journey the various groups of migrants began to move away from one another causing the the Indo-European dialect they spoke to diverge.
So no - they are not native to England - they are native to (just my guess) Russia.

Ariannon
(Love ya Mariwen!)

[Mairwen]

Thank you, ma'am. Just what I'd been trying to say for a while now, and you were just the woman to do it! ;)

[mol]

Originally posted by Mairwen
Thank you, ma'am. Just what I'd been trying to say for a while now, and you were just the woman to do it! ;)

Ahhh! Can we start some new threads...these old ones that were transferred are toooooooooooo long.

;)

[Mairwen]

Nope. I like 'em just the way they are. Besides, this will flip to a new page soon. Just wait. LOL! ;)

[Ariannon]

<<<Ahhh! Can we start some new threads...these old ones that were transferred are toooooooooooo long. >>>

As I am new to the board, I did not know this was an "Old Thread" or I would have started a new one. If I am being redundant by giving out info that was already discussed in an old thread I have no way of knowing that. I haven't been able to find the archives yet to read thru all the old threads.

Ariannon

[mol]

You are fine...and the information given is excellent. i just wanted to get these old threads moved back in the discussion realm. They are here for reference and for people using the search engines...etc. But, if you havent noticed...when a thread gets long it is broken up into pages...well, since these threads were moved over as one long post, this board wont break them up...they will end up being reallllly long if we keep them going.

Which, is ok..but...I dont know...Im tired! :)

I think you know what I am saying. LOL.