*D*R*A*K*E*
February 24th, 2007, 05:29 PM
shamman would be another great 'paths' forum,.so would pychic vamp.
does anyone have any advise about shamanic journey?etc..
does anyone have any advise about shamanic journey?etc..
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Shanti
February 24th, 2007, 05:37 PM
shamman would be another great 'paths' forum,.so would pychic vamp.
does anyone have any advise about shamanic journey?etc..
Sorry no advice about journeying. thats not something, IMO, that should be learned without an experienced guide in person.
I personally would say uninterested in a Shaman section since it has a varied definition for many. Some follow a shamanic path thats has nothing to do with trancing to other worlds. And people who do travel, from my experience and logic, don't share much since like I said, it should be done with proper in person guidance.
I died and was brought back by the docs. I came back with the gift. But I still went through years and years of one on one study with a NA medicine man.
does anyone have any advise about shamanic journey?etc..
Sorry no advice about journeying. thats not something, IMO, that should be learned without an experienced guide in person.
I personally would say uninterested in a Shaman section since it has a varied definition for many. Some follow a shamanic path thats has nothing to do with trancing to other worlds. And people who do travel, from my experience and logic, don't share much since like I said, it should be done with proper in person guidance.
I died and was brought back by the docs. I came back with the gift. But I still went through years and years of one on one study with a NA medicine man.
Vigdisdotter
February 24th, 2007, 06:14 PM
shamman would be another great 'paths' forum,.so would pychic vamp.
How is "psychic vamp" a path?
does anyone have any advise about shamanic journey?etc..
Have a REALLY good handle on yourself an your motivations BEFORE you try :P Then when you do, make sure to have a "spotter" watch you for the first ten times.
By the way, why are you spelling Shaman with an extra "m"?
How is "psychic vamp" a path?
does anyone have any advise about shamanic journey?etc..
Have a REALLY good handle on yourself an your motivations BEFORE you try :P Then when you do, make sure to have a "spotter" watch you for the first ten times.
By the way, why are you spelling Shaman with an extra "m"?
Xentor
February 24th, 2007, 07:52 PM
Psy-vamp is not a path. It's an illness, with detrimental effects to bystanders.
*D*R*A*K*E*
February 24th, 2007, 08:35 PM
illness?,.m-k,.
1st: yes i understand yo can't guide someone through your shamanic journey,. it's like telling an inquisitor about wicca,what deities to have,& how to practice/worship,..
2nd: psychic vamp is a practice as well,.not a disease,.
did you know,.that just as you strengthen your e.s.p. telepathy, telekenesis,. you can strengthen your psychic vamp abilities,.
most think that psychic vamp is harmful draining of innocent's energy,. the truth is,.all it is in a nutshell,is energy work,.you can heal/cleanse your<<whoever's aura,. anything energy,is a form of psychic vamp,.as a mattr o fat,a coven would rather drain off of eachother's energy/recycle it whatever, than to 'feed' off of just any old joe,that hasn't cleansed his aura-ever,.all that negativity is dammaging,unless you can purify it,.
in any case,.psychic vamp has a bad rap,mainly from main stream wicca,. we always tell peopleto keep an open mind,.like when some ignorant right wing christian,see's an invoking pentagram on me and calls me a satan worshipper,. i tell them "i don't believe in the devil,or hell,.it's your hell,you made it,.you can burn in it"<<if i'm in a bad mood i'll get shitty like that,.
you know satanists are just 'anti-christian' and gothc in nature,. luciferians actually are the ones who believe/worship, lucifer<<angel of light/satan<<enemy <definitions<<<
i'm just sayin,.don't judge others,.do our deities judge us? or the elements not lend their respective powers,because they don't believe we're worthy?
just some food for thought,.
blessed be fam
1st: yes i understand yo can't guide someone through your shamanic journey,. it's like telling an inquisitor about wicca,what deities to have,& how to practice/worship,..
2nd: psychic vamp is a practice as well,.not a disease,.
did you know,.that just as you strengthen your e.s.p. telepathy, telekenesis,. you can strengthen your psychic vamp abilities,.
most think that psychic vamp is harmful draining of innocent's energy,. the truth is,.all it is in a nutshell,is energy work,.you can heal/cleanse your<<whoever's aura,. anything energy,is a form of psychic vamp,.as a mattr o fat,a coven would rather drain off of eachother's energy/recycle it whatever, than to 'feed' off of just any old joe,that hasn't cleansed his aura-ever,.all that negativity is dammaging,unless you can purify it,.
in any case,.psychic vamp has a bad rap,mainly from main stream wicca,. we always tell peopleto keep an open mind,.like when some ignorant right wing christian,see's an invoking pentagram on me and calls me a satan worshipper,. i tell them "i don't believe in the devil,or hell,.it's your hell,you made it,.you can burn in it"<<if i'm in a bad mood i'll get shitty like that,.
you know satanists are just 'anti-christian' and gothc in nature,. luciferians actually are the ones who believe/worship, lucifer<<angel of light/satan<<enemy <definitions<<<
i'm just sayin,.don't judge others,.do our deities judge us? or the elements not lend their respective powers,because they don't believe we're worthy?
just some food for thought,.
blessed be fam
inkywitch
February 24th, 2007, 11:57 PM
illness?,.m-k,.
1st: yes i understand yo can't guide someone through your shamanic journey,. it's like telling an inquisitor about wicca,what deities to have,& how to practice/worship,..
2nd: psychic vamp is a practice as well,.not a disease,.
did you know,.that just as you strengthen your e.s.p. telepathy, telekenesis,. you can strengthen your psychic vamp abilities,.
most think that psychic vamp is harmful draining of innocent's energy,. the truth is,.all it is in a nutshell,is energy work,.you can heal/cleanse your<<whoever's aura,. anything energy,is a form of psychic vamp,.as a mattr o fat,a coven would rather drain off of eachother's energy/recycle it whatever, than to 'feed' off of just any old joe,that hasn't cleansed his aura-ever,.all that negativity is dammaging,unless you can purify it,.
Energy work can also be detrimential to other's health (and you own) in some cases. It can also be used offensively as well as defensively.
I personally don't think Psy Vampirism is a 'path' as such. It would probably be better discussed on an individual basis in the Magic, Negative Magic or Just Pagan forum.
I'm not going to comment much on what you've said, as the gramar and such is making it hard for me to understand you well. But if your saying that any kind of energy work, or healing is a type of psy vampirism, I don't agree.
btw, I don't think there has been any judging of individuals. Xentor's comment (which is close to my own opinion on Psy Vampirism) was directed at Psy Vampirism, not at anyone in particular.
1st: yes i understand yo can't guide someone through your shamanic journey,. it's like telling an inquisitor about wicca,what deities to have,& how to practice/worship,..
2nd: psychic vamp is a practice as well,.not a disease,.
did you know,.that just as you strengthen your e.s.p. telepathy, telekenesis,. you can strengthen your psychic vamp abilities,.
most think that psychic vamp is harmful draining of innocent's energy,. the truth is,.all it is in a nutshell,is energy work,.you can heal/cleanse your<<whoever's aura,. anything energy,is a form of psychic vamp,.as a mattr o fat,a coven would rather drain off of eachother's energy/recycle it whatever, than to 'feed' off of just any old joe,that hasn't cleansed his aura-ever,.all that negativity is dammaging,unless you can purify it,.
Energy work can also be detrimential to other's health (and you own) in some cases. It can also be used offensively as well as defensively.
I personally don't think Psy Vampirism is a 'path' as such. It would probably be better discussed on an individual basis in the Magic, Negative Magic or Just Pagan forum.
I'm not going to comment much on what you've said, as the gramar and such is making it hard for me to understand you well. But if your saying that any kind of energy work, or healing is a type of psy vampirism, I don't agree.
btw, I don't think there has been any judging of individuals. Xentor's comment (which is close to my own opinion on Psy Vampirism) was directed at Psy Vampirism, not at anyone in particular.
Xentor
February 25th, 2007, 02:32 AM
I am a healer. Psychic vampirism is the opposite of healing. Thus I will battle it whenever I encounter it.
Tapping into each other's energy, raised for the purpose specifically, is very different from vampirism. A vampire doesn't (know how to) control their urge to feed. They either see / know no other way, or they see everyone as prey. They react to energy like a vampire bat to blood: as an animal.
A decent, well-trained healer wouldn't hurt others when increasing their energy level. Thus, if you'd set out to become a vampire, I deem you a bad person, and yes, I would judge you by that fact alone. And if you'd try to leech off of me or my family, I'd be the executioner as well.
Tapping into each other's energy, raised for the purpose specifically, is very different from vampirism. A vampire doesn't (know how to) control their urge to feed. They either see / know no other way, or they see everyone as prey. They react to energy like a vampire bat to blood: as an animal.
A decent, well-trained healer wouldn't hurt others when increasing their energy level. Thus, if you'd set out to become a vampire, I deem you a bad person, and yes, I would judge you by that fact alone. And if you'd try to leech off of me or my family, I'd be the executioner as well.
*D*R*A*K*E*
February 25th, 2007, 09:33 PM
magick is a practice,.so is psy-vamp,.i'm just saying,if wicca is a path,(more like a lifestyle),.then why not the vamp,.besides,like i said,it's not all just destruction/feeding,.it's all just energy work.
Glory
February 25th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Wicca isn't a lifestyle, it just becomes one. But by definition, it's a choice and a religion. Thus, a path.
Now... I consider myself to be a Tarot reader, or I will be one with more experience. This is not a path, but it's a component of a path, because many people of different paths can use it. It's a talent/ability.
Psy-vampirism is an ability, just like Tarot reading or healing or energy work. It also is not a choice. Paths are things you pick, or pick you. So by definition... psy-vampirism is not a path.
Now... I consider myself to be a Tarot reader, or I will be one with more experience. This is not a path, but it's a component of a path, because many people of different paths can use it. It's a talent/ability.
Psy-vampirism is an ability, just like Tarot reading or healing or energy work. It also is not a choice. Paths are things you pick, or pick you. So by definition... psy-vampirism is not a path.
Morgandria
February 25th, 2007, 10:39 PM
"Psychic vampirism" is not a path. Either one is one by nature - a pranic deficiency - or one becomes one by choice - a voluntary pranic addiction that grows over time. Either way, I see psychic vampirism as a disease, or a delusion - an illness, not a path to self-knowledge, to magic, or to the Gods. I don't understand anyone willingly transforming themselves into a leech and a thief.
*D*R*A*K*E*
February 28th, 2007, 08:41 PM
okay,okay,okay,..maybe path was a wrong word,.ability that requires training,like e.s.p..okay,.but nevertheless,.there should be a forum just for abilities that people practice,to strengthen,.like e.s.p........
most think that psychic vamp is harmful draining of innocent's energy,. the truth is,.all it is in a nutshell,is energy work,.you can heal/cleanse your<<whoever's aura,. anything energy,is a form of psychic vamp,.as a mattr o fat,a coven would rather drain off of eachother's energy/recycle it whatever, than to 'feed' off of just any old joe,that hasn't cleansed his aura-ever,.all that negativity is dammaging,unless you can purify it,.
in any case,.psychic vamp has a bad rap,mainly from main stream wicca,. we always tell peopleto keep an open mind,.like when some ignorant right wing christian,see's an invoking pentagram on me and calls me a satan worshipper,. i tell them "i don't believe in the devil,or hell,.it's your hell,you made it,.you can burn in it"<<if i'm in a bad mood i'll get pooperiffic like that,.
most think that psychic vamp is harmful draining of innocent's energy,. the truth is,.all it is in a nutshell,is energy work,.you can heal/cleanse your<<whoever's aura,. anything energy,is a form of psychic vamp,.as a mattr o fat,a coven would rather drain off of eachother's energy/recycle it whatever, than to 'feed' off of just any old joe,that hasn't cleansed his aura-ever,.all that negativity is dammaging,unless you can purify it,.
in any case,.psychic vamp has a bad rap,mainly from main stream wicca,. we always tell peopleto keep an open mind,.like when some ignorant right wing christian,see's an invoking pentagram on me and calls me a satan worshipper,. i tell them "i don't believe in the devil,or hell,.it's your hell,you made it,.you can burn in it"<<if i'm in a bad mood i'll get pooperiffic like that,.
*D*R*A*K*E*
February 28th, 2007, 08:50 PM
m-k,.i understand you can't walk someone through a shamanic journey,.you can at least give them tips on 'how to',.and i'm sure there's much more to learn than just other world/spiritual travel,.rituals,spells,.herbal medicines, speaking with animals,..i'm sure at least one of these are shamanistic,.and can use guiding/mentoring as a PATH,.
i'm just saying,it should be recognized in this forum as a path,. or maybe it's not a path anyone opn this site practices,....
i'm just saying,it should be recognized in this forum as a path,. or maybe it's not a path anyone opn this site practices,....
Xentor
March 10th, 2007, 05:22 AM
As a matter of fact, we have a couple of shamans on this board. I know of at least one shaman priest.
Vigdisdotter
March 10th, 2007, 09:57 AM
i'm just saying,it should be recognized in this forum as a path,. or maybe it's not a path anyone opn this site practices,....
<raises hand> It's part of my path.
Notice I said part.
This is what makes the whole thing tricky, there is no one way to be a Shaman. Yes there are similarities, but it's more of a collection of practises based on a philosophy then say.... a religion.
In a lot of ways it's like Witchcraft. It doesn't HAVE to be part of a religious context but it can easily fit into one. And how it is practised is really dictate by the needs of the practitioner.
So it's really up to the seeker to explain what they are looking for as not all Shamanic Practitioners will be able to meet those needs.
It should also be mentioned that honest Shamanism (as opposed to getting dressed up and play acting) is a DAMN difficult path to follow and certainly not for the faint of heart. To say that shamans are wounded healers is all too true and one best be sure they are ready for that eventuality before they seek to follow the path.
So...was there something specific you wanted to talk about?
<raises hand> It's part of my path.
Notice I said part.
This is what makes the whole thing tricky, there is no one way to be a Shaman. Yes there are similarities, but it's more of a collection of practises based on a philosophy then say.... a religion.
In a lot of ways it's like Witchcraft. It doesn't HAVE to be part of a religious context but it can easily fit into one. And how it is practised is really dictate by the needs of the practitioner.
So it's really up to the seeker to explain what they are looking for as not all Shamanic Practitioners will be able to meet those needs.
It should also be mentioned that honest Shamanism (as opposed to getting dressed up and play acting) is a DAMN difficult path to follow and certainly not for the faint of heart. To say that shamans are wounded healers is all too true and one best be sure they are ready for that eventuality before they seek to follow the path.
So...was there something specific you wanted to talk about?
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