Buddhist and Wolves?

[LadyCanine]

I know that there are a few people on here of the Buddhist faith, and those that arent of the faith but know their stuff..lol.

This is going to sound really weird but would Buddhist monks incourage someone to breed wolves and wolfdogs? Go so far to take in someone and teach someone how to do it so that they can do it for 'education'.

Im not trying to start anything on wolves/wolfdogs in itself, just wondering how the Buddhist faith would look at it in itself....

Ok, I think I typed it out where it made sence..heh.

Its in reference to what someone said on another board....

[Shanti]

The circle of Buddhist I associate with, I don't believe would support it. I sure don't. My group has a strong passion toward respecting nature and that means to leave the wild, wild. Caring for domestics is also includes a respect and I feel wolf/dog breeding is harmful to the domestics and to the wild wolves as it doesn't help either breed.

The people I know would encourage support for wolf protection and habitat and proper, responsible breeding of domestic pets.

[LadyCanine]

Thank you.

The problem that I have is that the person is trying to dance around everything.

She is trying to say that she doesnt breed wolfdogs/wolves, however she has wolf/dog cause all dogs are really just wolf/dogs. But yet she has wolves and she has dogs that she breeds.....

Its really confusing.

I feel the same way that the wild should stay the wild and it bugs me that this person is saying she is breeding wolfdogs for educational purposes..which, I cant help but as, why breed for that when there are santuaries (sp?) that rescue and educate without breeding them.

That and she says that 4 Buddhist monks taught her what she knows and were very encouraging....

Its hard enough trying to keep from getting confused by all her contridicting posts, so I thought I would as how the Buddhist faith looked at that in general so im not confused about that anyways. I mean Im sure there are some people in Buddhism that might encourage, but theres stuff like that in all walks of life.

I guess it just bugs me that she is trying to hide behind a Religion (also throwing quotes from Buddha around, etc) and the need for 'education' for the reasons that she is breeding wolf/dogs.

Also, now that I think of it, should I have put this in critter chat? lol

[Shanti]

Depending on the responses, this could go in PP too!! LOL
But it is an animal thread. I can move it to critter chat if you want.

I am honestly suspicious of her claims. What is there to educate about a wolf/dog hybrid? That it serves no purpose for the wolf population, that it can make for a dangerous pet? Where is the education?

Does she know in some states it totally illegal to breed wolf to dog?
Is it even legal in her state? Has she ever checked?

[LadyCanine]

You can move it to critter chat if you would like :) I just got to thinking and wasnt sure where it should go...critter chat...just pagan...one of the forums of the path....

But I guess critter chat would work...it is mainly about the critters. lol.

This person is in Canada, so im not sure on ownership/permits there. I think it varies like it does in the US.

But ya, other than the posts being confusing, it does bother me.

[Shanti]

Its moved. May help prevent a PP outbreak.

Have you talked about the educational information she is trying to convey with her breeding.
I am curious of the educational message she may have.

There could be something more than what seems to be.

I don't want to bash whats she is doing. There are many different cultures and ways to think out there.

How does she care for her animals?
Is her breeding selective and with thought for a purpose?
What does she do with the offspring?

I don't think any Buddhist would breed without a reason they truly believe and can convey to others and I don't think any would breed without very much care.

I know of no Buddhist who doesn't take the very best care of all their fur charges. Even a stray cur is treated with respect and kindness and tended to all its needs.

[LadyCanine]

See, thats the problme I am having...those same questions have been asked and she hasnt really answered them. I'll reread everything she has posted just to make sure that I didnt miss anything

But she seems to be more into saying how people shouldnt judge or talk about here and how we dont know her and should become more educated, or just tries to talk about general stuff, never really answering the questions to the why and what happens to it all.

I do gather that she breeds for her 'education facility' and also gives to other 'education facilities' to educate people and go into classrooms and teach kids about wolves/wolfdogs.

I use to talk to a women, in the states out west. She had a santuary. Last I heard from her, she just bought 40 more acres and she rescued wolves and wolfdogs. She didnt breed them, she had them spayed/neutered and they had the whole set up and she put together a few different packs of them (the ones that would get along with each other, she had a few females that wanted nothing more than to kill each other)

She also had a few wolves and wolfdogs that were great ambassadors for other wolves. She would also do public education, however it was more on keeping wolves wild, saving their habitat and not breeding them or buying from people who bred them.

So me and this person have very very different views on this.

Thing is, this person never stopped to think that some of us might not agree to it being done for reasons other than issues on health or behavior.

I dunno..<sigh> maybe I should just bow out now and walk away from the whole convo..lol.

[Shanti]

All I would want to say to her is please, educate me. Help me understand what its is your doing and why. If education is truly her motive than by all means help me understand your message.
If she avoids someone wanting to know and learn from her, I would have to put up red flags.

I wouldn't trust anything she says is she doesn't have anything to teach and blows people off when faced with questions. I would definitely wonder if she just isn't another irresponsible wolf/dog breeder.

[Shanti]

I found the forum chat and her website and her lies.
She sells wolfdog puppys! She's a typical breeder!!
She probably make good money too!
Dam I copied the wrong link!!! Now I have to go google and find it again!!!

Grumbles for not checking the link before closing the page!

She has a business IMO, nothing more. But she does like to make it all self righteous if you ask me!!

Dam I did have the link correct. Its confusing the same person Sky, has 2 sites. One thats a sancuary/non profit wolf thing and then her selling wolfdog site!!!
Heres the link to her ad (http://www.pets4you.com/wolf.html) and it has the link to her selling site with all her pups for sale.
2 sites, one non-profit and one for profit!! LMAO
Oh its number 15 on the list. :)

[Shanti]

You really have to be careful online. people can be anything behind their websites!! Never by an animal online!! Do it in person only and check it all out first!

[LadyCanine]

Yes! that is excatly her! I had to get offline right after I posted last, my son woke up from a nightmare or I would have put links in myself sooner.

If you want something to read you can go to the site where the topic is going on.

Beautiful dogs....but (http://www.germanshepherds.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=821510&an=0&page=0#821510) (I am GSDolch)

Its 4 pages and going strong, heh. Some of her posts get confusing and long...:/ she goes off on how we dont know her and how shes taken care of the homeless and taken in stray dogs and what not....

I mean thats all good and all! but....uh, wasnt the topic. lol

But yes, same person.

Ya know, she could be the nicest person in the world, but It still doesnt change my mind.

[Shanti]

I am turned off just by one person being non-profit and for profit all with the same item/interest. You cant be both. Either you make no profit in your org or you do. She claims to be both!!! Doesn't wash with me.
I feel she may be using this wolf non-profit idea to help the PR in her sales.
They care about wolves and wolf/dogs and do rescue so I'll buy one from them. They obviously breed to sell and make money since they are taking deposits for upcoming 2007 litters!

I'm not a fan of wolfdog breeding, but even if this was Yorkies, I'd be turned off.

If someone says that they rescue and care for yorkies and preach protection, love and helping the needy and they claim they are non-profit and even take donations on their non-profit site.......then they deliberately breed for profit and sell on the net on another site.....total turn off!

But if they are honest and say they are a Yorkie breeder and do rescue work..no problem!! Heck thats great even.

Its the game playing and false persona I don't take a liking too. Why not be honest?

She is a wolfdog breeder. Its not illegal where she is so big deal. Do what you can and be honest. Thats all.
I question why a perfectly legal operation needs the false front? Then I wonder what is being hidden.