Correct terminology?

[Becoming]

Evoking diety?

Invoking diety?

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Im going with Invoking.

[Philosophia]

Evoking: r.v. e·voked, e·vok·ing, e·vokes
1. To summon or call forth: actions that evoked our mistrust.
2. To call to mind by naming, citing, or suggesting: songs that evoke old memories.
3. To create anew, especially by means of the imagination: a novel that evokes the Depression in accurate detail.
Verb 1. evoke - call forth (emotions, feelings, and responses); "arouse pity"; "raise a smile"; "evoke sympathy"
2. evoke - call forth; "Her behavior provoked a quarrel between the couple"
3. evoke - deduce (a principle) or construe (a meaning); "We drew out some interesting linguistic data from the native informant"
4. evoke - evoke or call forth, with or as if by magic; "raise the specter of unemployment"; "he conjured wild birds in the air"; "stir a disturbance"; "call down the spirits from the mountain"
5. evoke - call to mind or evoke

Invoking: in·voke Pronunciation (n-vk)
tr.v. in·voked, in·vok·ing, in·vokes
1. To call on (a higher power) for assistance, support, or inspiration: "Stretching out her hands she had the air of a Greek woman who invoked a deity" Ford Madox Ford.
2. To appeal to or cite in support or justification.
3. To call for earnestly; solicit: invoked the help of a passing motorist.
4. To summon with incantations; conjure.
5. To resort to; use or apply: "Shamelessly, he invokes coincidence to achieve ironic effect" Newsweek.
6. Computer Science To activate or start (a program, for example).
Verb 1. invoke - evoke or call forth, with or as if by magic; "raise the specter of unemployment"; "he conjured wild birds in the air"; "stir a disturbance"; "call down the spirits from the mountain"
2. invoke - cite as an authority; resort to; "He invoked the law that would save him"; "I appealed to the law of 1900"; "She invoked an ancient law"
3. invoke - request earnestly (something from somebody); ask for aid or protection; "appeal to somebody for help"; "Invoke God in times of trouble"

Both from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/

[Greybird]

Evoking diety?

Invoking diety?

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Im going with Invoking.

Invoking = in, evoking = out.

If you call a goddess into yourself (say, drawing down the moon), you're invoking. If you call that same goddess to simply be present, you're evoking. Example: When drawing down the moon, ne normally evokes the elements before invoking the goddess.

[Fiamma]

Both from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/


thank you! I was going to post definitions, but you beat me to it.

Yes, I wish more people would learn what the words actually mean (Not referring to you, Becoming.)

[Becoming]

Thanks everyone! I had seen somewhere where someone was referring to 'evoking diety' during ritual, and I thought that had a strange ring to it. I also looked up the definition, but they are so similar, so I was at a loss to which one was the correct terminology. These postings really cleared everything up. Thanks again!

[Semele]

envoke demons
invoke angels

[Aidron]

While 'in' as a prefix denotes just that, neither one's definition explicitly denotes calling inward/into or calling from within/outside of. Both actually share identical definitions in fact. If you want to be linguistically strict, however, invoke could be related to calling something from outside within and evoke related to calling something from within outside. In such a case I really cannot see evoke being the proper terminology for calling the quarters or working with demons, unless some of you have something lurking inside that you're not sharing with the rest of us.



in·voke /ɪnˈvoʊk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-vohk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -voked, -vok·ing.
1. to call for with earnest desire; make supplication or pray for: to invoke God's mercy.
2. to call on (a deity, Muse, etc.), as in prayer or supplication.
3. to declare to be binding or in effect: to invoke the law; to invoke a veto.
4. to appeal to, as for confirmation.
5. to petition or call on for help or aid.
6. to call forth or upon (a spirit) by incantation.
7. to cause, call forth, or bring about.

in·voke (ĭn-vōk') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. in·voked, in·vok·ing, in·vokes

1. To call on (a higher power) for assistance, support, or inspiration: "Stretching out her hands she had the air of a Greek woman who invoked a deity" (Ford Madox Ford).
2. To appeal to or cite in support or justification.
3. To call for earnestly; solicit: invoked the help of a passing motorist.
4. To summon with incantations; conjure.
5. To resort to; use or apply: "Shamelessly, he invokes coincidence to achieve ironic effect" (Newsweek).
6. Computer Science To activate or start (a program, for example).



e·voke /ɪˈvoʊk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-vohk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), e·voked, e·vok·ing.
1. to call up or produce (memories, feelings, etc.): to evoke a memory.
2. to elicit or draw forth: His comment evoked protests from the shocked listeners.
3. to call up; cause to appear; summon: to evoke a spirit from the dead.
4. to produce or suggest through artistry and imagination a vivid impression of reality: a short passage that manages to evoke the smells, colors, sounds, and shapes of that metropolis.

e·voke (ĭ-vōk') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. e·voked, e·vok·ing, e·vokes

1. To summon or call forth: actions that evoked our mistrust.
2. To call to mind by naming, citing, or suggesting: songs that evoke old memories.
3. To create anew, especially by means of the imagination: a novel that evokes the Depression in accurate detail.

[ap Dafydd]

Call me an old pedant, but I thought it was deity...

gwyn eich byd

Ffred

[Fiamma]

While 'in' as a prefix denotes just that, neither one's definition explicitly denotes calling inward/into or calling from within/outside of. Both actually share identical definitions in fact. If you want to be linguistically strict, however, invoke could be related to calling something from outside within and evoke related to calling something from within outside. In such a case I really cannot see evoke being the proper terminology for calling the quarters or working with demons, unless some of you have something lurking inside that you're not sharing with the rest of us.


In this case, the "in-" and the "ev-" are not prefixes. "invoke" and "evoke" are both derived from whole words.

from the online etymology dictionary:

http://www.etymonline.com/

invoke
1490, from M.Fr. envoquer (12c.), from L. invocare "call upon, implore," from in- "upon" + vocare "to call," related to vox (gen. vocis) "voice" (see voice).


evocation
1574, from L. evocationem (nom. evocatio), from evocare "call out, rouse, summon," from ex- "out" + vocare "to call" (see voice). Evoke is from 1623, often more or less with a sense of "calling spirits," or being called by them. Evocation was used of the Roman custom of petitioning the gods of an enemy city to abandon it and come to Rome; it was also used to translate the Platonic Gk. anamnesis "a calling up of knowledge acquired in a previous state of existence."

[Becoming]

Ooops! Thats what I get for being picky! Deity not diety.

Silly me!

I was just remembering the old "'I' before 'E', except after 'C' rule.

Hehehe.

Thanks. :lol:

[Aidron]

In this case, the "in-" and the "ev-" are not prefixes. "invoke" and "evoke" are both derived from whole words.

from the online etymology dictionary:

http://www.etymonline.com/

invoke
1490, from M.Fr. envoquer (12c.), from L. invocare "call upon, implore," from in- "upon" + vocare "to call," related to vox (gen. vocis) "voice" (see voice).


evocation
1574, from L. evocationem (nom. evocatio), from evocare "call out, rouse, summon," from ex- "out" + vocare "to call" (see voice). Evoke is from 1623, often more or less with a sense of "calling spirits," or being called by them. Evocation was used of the Roman custom of petitioning the gods of an enemy city to abandon it and come to Rome; it was also used to translate the Platonic Gk. anamnesis "a calling up of knowledge acquired in a previous state of existence."


I never said they were prefixes, I said if you look at 'in' as a prefix then you can draw the conclusion that many in fact do.

[Fiamma]

I never said they were prefixes, I said if you look at 'in' as a prefix then you can draw the conclusion that many in fact do.

apologies if I misunderstood what you meant by saying "while in as a prefix denotes..."

[omar]

What I was taut was when you invoke a spirit you are inviting in to your body & soul & this can leed to spirit possesion. Evoking is calling them down to you but out side of your physical form. Much safer.

[Fiamma]

What I was taut was when you invoke a spirit you are inviting in to your body & soul & this can leed to spirit possesion. Evoking is calling them down to you but out side of your physical form. Much safer.

people use the words in different ways. The use that describes inviting a being within yourself is not generally found as common use, and some folks that I've talked to believe it to be a misunderstanding of the original latin words as I mentioned earlier...however it happened, that is one, less common, way that the words are used.

[Willow Rosette]

Good question, I would have thought the same thing.