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Sage Rainsong
March 11th, 2007, 10:56 AM
I wasn't really sure where to put this because it could go in a few forums but anyway , on to the question. I was reading a biography of an ADF member: http://www.adf.org/about/bios/adhitin-ratrija/.
In it, he said that he used to do a Chaos magic technique where one would try on a different belief system. Does anyone have more info on this? I am really interested in this technique.
David19
March 11th, 2007, 12:53 PM
I'm not too sure, so maybe someone else can be of more help, but I think it's where chaos magicians, depending on the magical working their doing, will follow one particular tradition, until the working is complete then if another magical working is from another religion or tradition, they'll delve into that one.
Like if a Chaos magician was to use the Goetia, I think they might use the prayers to YHWH, purifications, blessings, etc, until they get the job done (e.g. evoke a demon to get money or whatever, etc), then in another magicial working, they might use the Kabbalah (e.g. Gematria, tree of life symbolism and other Kabbalahistic things, etc) or they might use Buddhism if a magicial technique uses Buddhism or whatever.
I'm not sure if that makes any sense, but I hope that helps.
Amelserru_halqu
March 11th, 2007, 03:26 PM
If I'm not mistaken you can find more about the technique in Liber Null... or maybe in Psychonaught or both perhaps, I'd have to look to be sure. But from what I understand, you basically immerse yourself into that tradition until it is absolutely true and then after you're done learning from it or using it for a ritual you discard it for something else. In other words belief becomes the means to an end. At least that's my take on it, perhaps someone else can offer a better explanation.
HadouKen24
March 11th, 2007, 05:30 PM
* pulls out his copy of Liber Null & Psychonaut *
Liber Null has the outline of this idea in the chapter entitled Liber Nox, a Chaote interpretation of the Left Hand Path.
Basically, what one does is choose a belief system at random. In Liber Nox, Peter Carroll provides an out line for how one can use dice rolls to choose it. Having chosen a belief system--atheism, paganism, monotheism, etc.--one must immerse oneself as deeply as possible in it.
As found in Liber Null, this is not done simply for practical purposes. Though belief can be used that way, the idea is to liberate your consciousness and personhood from the beliefs you happen to have. After all, what beliefs you hold to are profoundly influenced by the time and place you live. Through random belief, you become amorphous, less bound by time and place than others. And so you become more able to adjust yourself to better meet your goals.
At least, that's my interpretation of it.
Greybird
March 12th, 2007, 11:27 AM
Check this article (http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usil&c=trads&id=11184) that came out a couple of weeks ago on WitchVox. It goes into some detail on what's being discussed, and gives links to more information.
Amelserru_halqu
March 12th, 2007, 06:11 PM
Check this article (http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usil&c=trads&id=11184) that came out a couple of weeks ago on WitchVox. It goes into some detail on what's being discussed, and gives links to more information.
Wow... that's the best description I've seen in such a short space.
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