*ah* sorry! lets hope i never have to embarass myself liek this again

[Mystic Twilight]

This 48 year old woman is obsessed with this man and wants me to write a love spell and make a love lotion that she can put on and make him fall in love with her. After chuckling to myself for a moment i agreed (because she had been obsessing and going way beyond with this guy) and told her i would write one for her and give her a lotion. I know the rules about love spells. So i was just curious if anybody has a good B.S. spell they could give me. i would greatly appriciate it (not that i really expect to get one but if i did i would be extremely greatful)

[flar7]

magick and rituals would be the place to ask, so I am moving this
for ya!:D

[Myst]

Let me get this straight; she wants a love spell and you want to a bs spell to give her?

There really isn't "rules" about 'em, but yeah they're not a good idea. Can you not explain that to this woman?

Man I wouldn't even be talking to her if she's like that. What does she think you are, Spells-R-Us?

If you have to tell her you did a spell why not just tell her you did and not do anything. Personally I'd tell her off myself but that's just me :)

Lastly, this is off topic, but could you *not* post a picture that's unrelated to your posts? I don't mean to be rude or anything; it's just that it takes up room and bandwidth that could be used for other posts and pictures people really want to see, you know?

[Mystic Twilight]

The reason i am doing it for her is in hope that this annoying obsession will end. i think it is just important that i calm her down. even if im lying to her, it will make her stop the carziness. its actually quite unhealthy

[Mystic Twilight]

okok sorry about the pictures...
just thought it was cute
*sigh*
i just cant win!

[Myst]

Well then go ahead and lie to her :) :D

When someone asks me for love spells I have them imagine the most disgusting, smelliest, ugliest, rudest, rankest person they know putting a love spell on *them*.

Ewwww.

[Dellit Tandannon]

i used to host a chatroom called #witchcraft on a microsoft chat server with about ten other people. without fail, once a week at the very least, someone would come into the chatroom asking for a love spell. in the beginning i would give them sites to search or recommend books or whatever but after like the 20th person i couldn't stand it anymore. find your own spell and do it yourself! arg!

[Myst]

Yeah. You gotta wonder sometimes. There's only like a billion sites out there on spellcrafting or with lists of spells or at least correspondences and ideas. *sigh*

[Lavender]

Another point too, is that her obsession probably won't end there. She will expect the spell to work & get even more obsesive. Plus, now, on top of that, you've lied to her. One more point, there is no such thing as a bs spell. Magic is mostly in the intent. If she works up enough energy, the spell may work for her. Then, where will that leaves you? Or that poor guy?

[Mystic Twilight]

MY oh MY how you all jump on when i ask for help. i havent been here alot but i have noticed that almost everytime i come here to ask a question, everyone jumps on me like im a retard. why do we have this place if you cant even ask questions. Duh, i know this is stupid but i cant really explain everything to you. i was just asking if anyone knew a good BS spell, no not a reall one...a fake one. all you had to say was no. im sorry i ruined your night by asking a question

[Lavender]

As I've said in my earlier post...there are NO bs spell! If her intent is there & she does manage to raise the energy, then the spell could very well work for her.

Basically, it comes down to is: Do you want to give her the spell? If you don't, then just tell her no. If you do, make up a bs spell. But it might backfire by working & then what will happen to the poor guy?

Why do you want to give this woman the spell? You said yourself, that you would be lying to her, her obsession, it's unhealthy, etc. What's more unhealthy...you lying to her or her obsession?

Yeah, I guess, it comes down to I'm saying no. And it sounds like the others were saying no too. No one jumped all over you but I'm doing it now. :mad:

[Yvonne Belisle]

Look the first rule of this forum is respect. It is the only rule of this forum too and you wonder why you have been jumped on in this thread. I don't know about your other posts I haven't read them but this post has a large lack of respect for other people in it. You are asking us to help you LIE where is respect for anyone in that??? You are talking about tricking another person with a serious problem where is your respect for her? You sound like you are asking us because you are tired of hearing her beg well it sounds like at least one member in this thread is tired of people asking for others to do thier research for them. So he reacted as a person and not in a perfect manner guess what he is a person and has a right to feel annoyed just as you have a right to be annoyed with the woman badgering you for a spell. If you want to be treated with respect then you must do the same for others and if you can complain when someone frustrates you don't complain when others do so. I am sure that you are able to post good conversational material so why not do that and just drop this topic. No one wants to feel like all anyone wants from them is a free ride. The person with the obsession needs help not some spell real or fake why don't you try to think of a way to help them find a healthier outlook it shows far more respect for them then to try and pull the wool over thier eyes.

[Danustouch]

I didn't see people jumping all over you. What I saw was people giving wise advice. You come here and ask a question, you have to assume that you are posting on a message board with a wide range of views, and ideas.

If someone had said.."You are stupid for doing this, you tard"..that would be wayyyyyyy out of line, and would have been handled, immediately. But no-one did that. Instead, people tried to supply you with alternative solutions to your quandry. And from what I can see, it is all sound advice.

Wildchild is right. A spell isn't a scientific formula. You don't get result C, if you mix A and B in perfect amounts, and bake in the oven at 375 degree's for thirty minutes. It's about energy. A spell is conscious energy, and the projection there of. You could tell this idiot woman to pick up a pile of cow dung, throw it on a phallic candle, throw it in a pot and melt it together and smear that on her boyfriend's body..and if she really believed it, it would have the same effect as any other love spell out there. It's Intent we are talking about here. If you give her a love spell, even a stupid one like I mentioned above, it could have serious repercussions for her, and really screw over the guy in the situation, and you'd be left feeling just a little bit tainted by that karma, as well, IMO.

If you come here, asking for advice, you can't just expect people to vomit up the information you WANT to hear. You have to expect that sometimes people will tell you what you DONT want to hear, if they think that they are giving you good advice.

My ...what an incredibly boring world it would be, if we all went around talking to voice recorders, and then playing them back for our own answers!

Noone jumped on you....I'm sorry you felt that way. But when you are asking a question of a forum, you've got to expect to get an answer. Sometimes those answers are NOT what we would expect.

[Phoenix Blue]

In my experience, lies get you more headaches than truth, without fail. I've yet to see an exception to this rule. . .

I used to be an active participant on Undernet #wicca, and we'd get a lot of this sort of thing, too. Unfortunately, "Hit ALT-F4 for our spell list" doesn't translate too well in the real world. . .

I dunno, maybe challenge her to come up with one good reason why you should do such a thing for her. . . and when she can't, because she won't, tell her that the real world is not like Practical Magic. And tell her that the best way to get this guy to like her is to talk to him and establish some sort of relationship.

[Garnet]

Mystic Twilight, there are a couple of things I don't understand. This woman's obsession seems totally one-sided, so how can she get close enough to him to apply a lotion? How did she get the idea that there is a lotion that will accomplish what she wants?
If she's done any research on the Craft, maybe you can just direct her back to whatever resource she discovered the lotion in.
I've been asked for love spells, too. I explain that I can supply a spell that will influence love to enter the asker's life, but I flatly refuse to provide a spell that will influence a certain person. (I did once & the person I gave it to really screwed it up & blamed me for the bad results). I explain that doing that is a form of 'psychic enslavement' & against my belief system.
Sweetie, I think you really need to distance yourself from this woman.


Spells-R-Us? That was so funny, Myst, but you shouldn't do that when my mouth is full. I'm still picking crumbs out of my keyboard.

[Illuminatus]

Why not just give her a spell whose composition is geared towards a different end? Like one of those hokey weather-control ones, a rain spell. Even if her heart is yearning for love, her words will be asking for rain. Surely a mixed message incantation like that cannot be effective. If nonsense were magic, our mothers backs would break each time we sang that silly song about stepping on cracks.

- Ill

[Haedis]

It doesnt matter what words she says. If shes convinced its a love spell then it will be. I dont believe that the words themselves have power.

[Myst]

Originally posted by Illuminatus
If nonsense were magic, our mothers backs would break each time we sang that silly song about stepping on cracks.

Well yes and no. If one's intent to break their mother's back were strong enough, stronger then the mother's not to have her back broken, used with intent and focus, and/or something that the mother needed to experience to learn some lesson in her life, it might just work. Is it possible? Maybe. Is it most likely absolutely ridiculous? Yup.

[Mystic Twilight]

like i said before i cant explain the situation very well to you. what i meant by you all jumping on me is that you all assumed i meant disrespect and i didnt. It seems like anytime i come here someone gives me a rude reply and i can never get a straight answer so i got frustrated. No i wasnt asking for you just to pull a spell out of your ass and hand it to me. i dont even want one from you. i just wanted ideas. Ok, no im not lying to her. I explained alot of things very clearly to her. Ok so yes, "lying to her" (which i do not believe i am doing) is unhealthy as well, but so is murder. which is what she is pretty damn willing to do at this point. i didnt mean any disrespect to anyone. Im sorry i came, and i dont think i will again. Ive noticed some of you dont seem to be very accepting. and it is disapointing because alot of people come on here so they can ask questions without feeling embarassed and so they can learn and to talk to people like thereselves. and its hard to do that when you dont feel welcome

[Myst]

You know, I wasn't trying to be rude and I'm pretty sure no one else was, at least until you started getting upset and yelling that people were.

As you can imagine, misunderstandings happen, especially on an online forum where you can't see facial expression or hear tone of voice. For example, when you said you were curious to know if anyone had a good bs spell, I was pretty sure you were asking for a bs spell. But you were just looking for ideas? See! It's *so* easy for things to be misinterpreted around here!

But if you don't feel welcome, even tho I'm pretty sure no one was intending to be rude, then I guess it's for you to go. MW isn't trying to be "for everyone out there, no matter what!". So yeah, everyone is welcome here, but then if people don't want to stay I guess it's for them to move on.

I hope in the future you can not feel as tho you're being "jumped all over". It's too bad you feel you aren't comfortable here. Brightest blessings on your journey!

[Rick]

Myst, can we change the name of this Forum to "Spells R Us"?

[Myst]

You know, if I could get the R backwards on my keyboard (like in toys-r-us) I really think I would do that. heh! do you think our site god would go for it?

[Rick]

Originally posted by Myst
You know, if I could get the R backwards on my keyboard (like in toys-r-us) I really think I would do that. heh! do you think our site god would go for it?
I think it was Mark Twain who said "Easier to ask forgiveness than permission."... er, or something like that... :T

[Witchy Cowgirl]

BE CAREFUL OF....
your thoughts, for they become your words.
your words, for they become your actions.
your actions, for they become your habits.
your habits, for they become your charcter.
your charcter, for it becomes your destiny.

[Danustouch]

I really like that saying, Cowgirl. Thanks for sharing!

[WandererInGray]

Originally posted by Mystic Twilight
Ok so yes, "lying to her" (which i do not believe i am doing) is unhealthy as well, but so is murder. which is what she is pretty damn willing to do at this point.

Mystic, I think the best thing for you to do at this point is to disassociate yourself from this person. It sounds as if she's not thinking very clearly and you could find yourself mixed up in some very messy legal situations if you get involved in *any* way.

________________________

*grins* Myst, find yourself a Russian lanaguage font....that'll give you a backwards R....

[Myst]

Yes and I imagine most people don't have the same font. Thus if I changed the name of the forum and used that font, since no one else's computer would have it, they woudn't see the R.

heh yes I have thought this through :D

[Djiril]

If you aren't lying to her, what do you mean by a "bs spell"?

[Witchy Cowgirl]

WanderInGray....I think Mystic Twlight is trying to help this woman and doesn't really want to dis-associate with her. But I don't think giving her any kind of spell is gonna help her. (I don't believe in giving spells or doing spells for other people....but I don't have a problem with selling spell ingredients....but isn't that another thread somewhere?;) :T
Mystic Twlight isn't there some other possible means of helping this woman find counsel for her obsession with this man?
Maybe she just needs a hobby!

[Mystic Twilight]

Ha, yeah she really does need some help. I know this. hehe. I have two reasons for not just walking away and never seeing this woman again. one is that im nervous of what lengths she might go just to get this man. And i was serious about murder. And number two, she is my next door neighbor. *sigh*
I have pretty much convinced her that a spell is not the way to go. (now she needs to see that murder isnt either!). Im just trying to help her. When i asked for a BS spell, i wasnt trying to be disrespectful and i wasnt asking for an actualy spell. I know how we all hate that. Just ideas. But then after i posted i realized that that wasnt a good idea either (which you all noticed too!)
*sigh* now i just need help handling this woman!

[Witchy Cowgirl]

Gosh! Who's she wantin to murder?:eek: Doesn't she know she'll get caught and go to prison? And that would be the least of her worries. Does she not have any spiritual guidance? Is the guy she interested in have even an idea that she's obsessed with him?
Not that I have any advise.........:confused:

[Codehappy Kid]

1) It's obvious that Mystic Twilight has good intentions but was just misunderstood by almost everybody here. 'Nuff said about that.

2) We need facts about this guy. Is he married/engaged/dating? How old is he? Does he have a clue that this woman is after him? If not, maybe you should carefully and discretely inform him.

3) If this woman is willing to go to the lengths you described, perhaps you should, again discretely, consult a social worker or psychiatrist and describe the situation without mentioning names. These people have college degrees in the field and are trained to deal with this sort of thing better than the average person can. They can advise you.

[flar7]

2 cents.

If nervous enough, I would notify police and social sevices.
Then, notify the victim, the guy...he may want a restraining order.

this may anger her, but better safe than sorry.:(

love obtained through murder is just greed or avarice of sorts.
True feelings of love would be happy that the individual is happy
where they are at... Is heavy weight to bear, but true love can
bear it.:)

[Witchy Cowgirl]

APPLAUSE APPLAUSE APPLAUSE
to both of you (CodeHappy Kid and flar 7)
Excellent! Sound like the right row to hoe!
Wish I'd thought of that!