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Protagonist
March 26th, 2007, 10:51 AM
Is anyone else here a fan of the Lonelygirl15 videos? Yes, yes, everyone knows that they're "fake," but they're only fake in the same way that something like Seinfeld is fake, and I find them genuinely entertaining. Anyone who's followed the series knows that the main character, Bree (Lonelygirl15) is a homeschooled 16-year old who vlogs from her bedroom. In the background, you can see an altar and a picture of Aleister Crowley, and neither her nor her room look gothic/creepy/anything other than mainstream, aside from the religious objects.

The story progresses, and we learn that her family is non-Christian but practices a very strict faith, and that she is to undergo a special ceremony that she knows almost nothing about. Early fans thought she was meant to be a Thelemite, but later videos denied this explicitly. After her friend Daniel convinces her that maybe this mysterious ceremony isn't for the best, she runs away with him, and her father is murdered by members of her mysterious religious Order.

I'm not a pagan, but I'm curious as to how a pagan looks at this series, since the main character is obviously some sort of pagan (though probably part of a fictional pagan religion). I've always been fascinated by Crowley, and it does bother me (I guess) a bit that a lot of his trappings (his image, his birthday, words like Thelema in Greek, the unicursal hexagram) are being used in the series to give it an esoteric, occult flavor. I guess I can't blame them, and Crowley himself probably wouldn't mind, but it gives everyone the idea that Crowley is just some creepy shadowy figure. It reminds me of when Nietzsche was used in Murder By Numbers, and all the time I run into people who, when they hear the name Nietzsche, automatically think of that movie.

The only good thing about them using Crowley in this fashion (as opposed to Gardner, or someone else) is that Thelemites and actual Crowley followers aren't going to kvetch about it, whereas if it were Gardner, there'd be big protests by Wiccans about how their religion is being portrayed. This is mainly because there are more Wiccans than Thelemites, of course.

Meadhbh
March 26th, 2007, 02:06 PM
Well the beauty of her not giving a name to her famalies beliefs is that if any one starts complaining she can fall back on the thats not you I'm talking about. Not that I could see how it would bother anyone. She had evil cultists, thats it. She didn't film a blog where she lists reasons why people are wrong are going to hell or anything.

Protagonist
March 26th, 2007, 02:31 PM
Well the beauty of her not giving a name to her famalies beliefs is that if any one starts complaining she can fall back on the thats not you I'm talking about. Not that I could see how it would bother anyone. She had evil cultists, thats it. She didn't film a blog where she lists reasons why people are wrong are going to hell or anything.

Keep in mind that she's a character, played by an actress, with scriptwriters behind her. She does in fact, give a vague name to her belief system in the series ("Order of Denderah"). And since this isn't a real religion, she's not going to be falling back, per se, since she's never talking about anyone that really exists (I mean, she doesn't even exist.) Even if she did have a video saying "You're all going to hell!!" no one in their right mind would be offended by it, because she's fictional, and her saying that wouldn't be any more offensive than, say, Ned Flanders saying it.

I'm not saying people might be offended by her religion; I'm asking how pagans respond to her as a (ostensibly) pagan character, albeit in a made-up pagan religion. I also am curious how Thelemites feel about their symbology being co-opted to give this made-up religion a more occult feel.

HadouKen24
March 27th, 2007, 01:40 AM
I honestly haven't gotten the impression that she's pagan. A group is not necessarily pagan just because it involves the occult or the esoteric. Remember, after all, that most of Western esotericism depends to a great degree on Christianity or Judaism. I don't think that the Order is really what you might call a part of the pagan community or the neo-pagan movement.