Hey I lived through a conversion attempt...

[cydira]

And I wasn't horribly rude! Wait a sec... that doesn't sound right...

Anyways, I think I'm getting the hang of how to be gracious. <grins> The initial irritation turned into a real discussion on the similarities between the Craft and Christianity. How's that for cool!

See, grasshopper is learning. :D

[Earth Walker]

I have had discussions with members of different
christian sects, and after listening to them, I would
start to explain about Pagan Traditions, but they
always cut me off, and they always got indignant...
like, HOW DARE I!
Each sect said that their way is the only way to god,
:confused: and that since I sought after satan, I was
going to burn in hell.:eek:
I never raised my voice, and remained polite, no matter
what they did. We need to teach them by peaceful
methods, instead of resorting to their "scare tactics."

[rantnraven]

When you can take the pebble from my hand....

I have a quite a number of Christian friends. Most don't seem to care mush about who/what I am - though I too will burn in Hell, according to them.

There is one friend who professes to be Mormon but not an active one. He's pretty funny. He goes and get's really drunk then thanks me for being sober. I'm also the "nicestest witch I ever know". That's usually right before passes out :eek:

RnR

[cydira]

That's cute. Your friend must be a silly drunk. :)

My catholic friends are both silly drunks to an amazing degree. It's really cute, however, when you have the most proper and "innocent" of your group of friends singing one of the most bawdy drinking songs that you know at the top of her lungs. <laughs> To say the least, last thursday was a riot. And the bought me mead!

<does a happy dance>

[adrian]

i am always gracious, no matter what religion i'm dealing with, i like Mystique engage them in intellectual debates about the differences between paganism and christianity; i love these discussions and they leave with a look of "this is a tough one" on their faces.
The last watchtower i got was entitled...The Kingdom Good News-Is it for You?
My answer is...No not really, not at that price.

[adrian]

Originally posted by rantnraven
When you can take the pebble from my hand....

I have a quite a number of Christian friends. Most don't seem to care mush about who/what I am - though I too will burn in Hell, according to them.

There is one friend who professes to be Mormon but not an active one. He's pretty funny. He goes and get's really drunk then thanks me for being sober. I'm also the "nicestest witch I ever know". That's usually right before passes out :eek:

RnR Was that a pebble? It was so heavy.

I think that will be my next question...will i burn in hell?
LOLROTF...this is so funny. Sorry if i offend anyone but lately i have been in a goofy mood, it seems that laughter in the best remedy LOL...sorry, gotta go...LOL.

[Tigerwallah]

Hey, I've read their Bible, and I know all the things that they don't. Bible studies purposefully skip over certain things - like the second creation story. There are two very different versions of Creation in Genesis - so which one do they believe is right? (stumps 'em every time).
Or, Why, if Jehovah or Yaweh, created man, did he get so pissed at Moses for having a foreskin on his penis. If he thought men shouldn't have foreskins why did he make 'em that way. And my personal favorite is If Moses was an overworked slave in Egypt, where did he get the strenght to kill every breathing thing in every town, village, etc between Egypt and the Promised Land? And if Yaweh ordered the killing, How did he have the nerve to include "Thoug Shalt Not Kill" as a commandment?
I must have looked easy on a particular day, and one fundie started preaching to me about pre-marital sex, and how animals get pleasure out of sex. Here is where my knowledge of Zoology came in. I told her that only larger brained animals - humans, other apes and whales and dolphins had sexual relations for pleasure. So, in actuality, to have sex for reproduction alone was behaving like an animal. I really confused her, and got her to tell me about having a sexual relationship out of wedlock :O Next time I saw this woman at the bus stop, she stayed far far away from me.

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by adrian
Was that a pebble? It was so heavy.

I think that will be my next question...will i burn in hell?
LOLROTF...this is so funny. Sorry if i offend anyone but lately i have been in a goofy mood, it seems that laughter in the best remedy LOL...sorry, gotta go...LOL.

LOL = Lost of Love. Right?

Glad to see you are in good spirit. I think the day on the beach did you well. The Rednecks inspired me as well.

Laugh aloud, brother. And I like the new Avatar.

RnR

[adrian]

Originally posted by rantnraven


LOL = Lost of Love. Right?

Glad to see you are in good spirit. I think the day on the beach did you well. The Rednecks inspired me as well.

Laugh aloud, brother. And I like the new Avatar.

RnR Thanks RnR...you have been a source of strength for me, bet you didn't know that??? Lost is right! but i'm Alive!!! I had to really think about that Avatar, looks nothing like me i look more like your Avatar but wrong shade of chocolate... Thanks, the beach thing did do me well. Right now i'm listening to Enya...On My Way Home, lovely song. especially the part that goes " I have been given a moment of heaven"
Makes me want to go back out and do another but i'll wait for the full moon this time. Em Hotep Brother.

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah
Hey, I've read their Bible, and I know all the things that they don't. Bible studies purposefully skip over certain things - like the second creation story. There are two very different versions of Creation in Genesis - so which one do they believe is right? (stumps 'em every time).
Or, Why, if Jehovah or Yaweh, created man, did he get so pissed at Moses for having a foreskin on his penis. If he thought men shouldn't have foreskins why did he make 'em that way. And my personal favorite is If Moses was an overworked slave in Egypt, where did he get the strenght to kill every breathing thing in every town, village, etc between Egypt and the Promised Land? And if Yaweh ordered the killing, How did he have the nerve to include "Thoug Shalt Not Kill" as a commandment?
I must have looked easy on a particular day, and one fundie started preaching to me about pre-marital sex, and how animals get pleasure out of sex. Here is where my knowledge of Zoology came in. I told her that only larger brained animals - humans, other apes and whales and dolphins had sexual relations for pleasure. So, in actuality, to have sex for reproduction alone was behaving like an animal. I really confused her, and got her to tell me about having a sexual relationship out of wedlock :O Next time I saw this woman at the bus stop, she stayed far far away from me. Yes, the bible does not reveal all which is why i have to question it...tell me, do you ever go by the Edgar Cayce Foundation? I been there once and can't wait to return this summer.

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by adrian
Thanks RnR...you have been a source of strength for me, bet you didn't know that??? Lost is right! but i'm Alive!!! I had to really think about that Avatar, looks nothing like me i look more like your Avatar but wrong shade of chocolate... Thanks, the beach thing did do me well. Right now i'm listening to Enya...On My Way Home, lovely song. especially the part that goes " I have been given a moment of heaven"
Makes me want to go back out and do another but i'll wait for the full moon this time. Em Hotep Brother.

Sorry, "fat-fingered" the keyboard. That should have read "lots of Love" not Lost. My fault.

Aside from the shade of chocolate, we could be twins then.

As well, brother, you have become a source of strength to me. Keep the faith and move as your heart sees fit.

Blessings to you.

RnR

[Tigerwallah]

No. I have not made it there yet. I'm reasonably new to the area. I wanted to go to a seminar last year, but had monitary issues. It is certainly on my list. The fact that Cayce considered himself Christian confuses me. I've been wanting to learn more about him.

[bluecat]

I seem to be rather oddly immune to the missionary thing. I have had two new address while here,and they usually swoop down on the new address thing, but they haven't.

I had one Mormon missionary start to approach me, but when I looked him in the eye he just turned back and spoke to his partner, then they both left. I am known by some of the churches here to be a Witch and that seems to keep them away, I think what keeps the Mormons away is that I am also a heretic in their eyes, so I get a double whammy from them. Not only am I a witch, but I am also tattooed.

People's knowledge of what I am does not stop them from wanting me to work on their computer, read their cards or chart their stars.

I have had many discussions with people concerning the Cosmos and beliefs and I really think it bothers them when I maintain a flat and even tone during the discussion, even when they tell me I am facing eternal damnation. I am one of the, "It's your God, your Heaven, your Devil, and your Hell, not mine," people. When they ask about afterlife, I tell them that I will never die, that the "waterbag" that contains my spirit and this life will cease, but "I" will never die. I also tell them that hanging around in heaven for an eternity seems almost like a punishment to me.

When some of the fundies get on a real tear I tell them that a theocracy (what they get with a "Christian Nation") and Communism are both very good on paper, but fail when it comes to actual practice because they both put a great deal of power in the hands of a very few, and that is dangerous, but then some folks won't listen.

Just my 2 pennies.

Blue

[adrian]

Originally posted by rantnraven


Sorry, "fat-fingered" the keyboard. That should have read "lots of Love" not Lost. My fault.

Aside from the shade of chocolate, we could be twins then.

As well, brother, you have become a source of strength to me. Keep the faith and move as your heart sees fit.

Blessings to you.

RnR Why did my eyes water while reading your reply??? Thank you, my spirit soars and i only have faith at this time, faith and some really good friends here.

Aww shucks, i'm just a big teddy bear...sniff sniff.

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah
No. I have not made it there yet. I'm reasonably new to the area. I wanted to go to a seminar last year, but had monitary issues. It is certainly on my list. The fact that Cayce considered himself Christian confuses me. I've been wanting to learn more about him. I was able to attend a seminar last year, it was very interesting and i plan on going back this summer some time. I think that for that time period in the United States to say you were buddhist or anyother religion would have been tantamount to saying you were in league with satan...people would not have listen to his messages, i believe they would have turned away from him even if he were to dianost dis-ease in the body they would have contributed it with satans power and ....burned/crucified him.
If you have something important to share that people really need to hear the beat way is to put on sheeps clothing or...when in rome do as the romans do.
Em Hotep my friend

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by adrian
Why did my eyes water while reading your reply??? Thank you, my spirit soars and i only have faith at this time, faith and some really good friends here.

Aww shucks, i'm just a big teddy bear...sniff sniff.

I have fluffed up a chair thingy for you on the porch here. Sit and we can talk a while.

It's good to have family.

RnR

[cydira]

<hugs adrian tightly> MINE!! :D

Sorry, had the urge to regress back to 4 years old for some strange reason. :D

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by cydira
<hugs adrian tightly> MINE!! :D

Sorry, had the urge to regress back to 4 years old for some strange reason. :D

See there, Adrian, turn into a Teddy Bears then all the girls want to hug you.

I'll just sit in the corner while you get all the hugs.

It's okay, I don't need any at all.

None at all.

Nope, I'm just fine over here by myself.

Yep, just fine :(

Can I have a hug too?

RnR

[Tigerwallah]

Thanks for the clarification. That makes a whole lot of sense. It isn't very different today, unfortunately.
The Christian thing was really what was holding me back from Cayce. Thanks.

P.S. I find your Avitar far more appealing than a teddy bear. Please say you don't really resemble a gund.

RnR - hold a seat for me. I'll be bringing the jalepeno poppers, and some Corona and lime.

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah
Thanks for the clarification. That makes a whole lot of sense. It isn't very different today, unfortunately.
The Christian thing was really what was holding me back from Cayce. Thanks.

P.S. I find your Avitar far more appealing than a teddy bear. Please say you don't really resemble a gund.

RnR - hold a seat for me. I'll be bringing the jalepeno poppers, and some Corona and lime.



I will hold your seat, dear Lady. Just don't stick the Popper in my eye.

RnR

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by rantnraven


I will hold your seat, dear Lady. Just don't stick the Popper in my eye.

RnR

RnR, I would never disrespect my patron pseudo-god by sticking a popper in his eye :-*

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah


RnR, I would never disrespect my patron pseudo-god by sticking a popper in his eye :-*

Oh yeah - huh!?!

RnR

You are too funny.

[adrian]

Originally posted by cydira
<hugs adrian tightly> MINE!! :D

Sorry, had the urge to regress back to 4 years old for some strange reason. :D Adrian grins while receiveing big hug.

[adrian]

Originally posted by rantnraven


See there, Adrian, turn into a Teddy Bears then all the girls want to hug you.

I'll just sit in the corner while you get all the hugs.

It's okay, I don't need any at all.

None at all.

Nope, I'm just fine over here by myself.

Yep, just fine :(

Can I have a hug too?

RnR By all means! let all join together in a big group HUG!!!

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah
Thanks for the clarification. That makes a whole lot of sense. It isn't very different today, unfortunately.
The Christian thing was really what was holding me back from Cayce. Thanks.

P.S. I find your Avitar far more appealing than a teddy bear. Please say you don't really resemble a gund.

RnR - hold a seat for me. I'll be bringing the jalepeno poppers, and some Corona and lime.

I'm not so sure it is a clarification, i just thought it sounded like a pretty good explanation... but it does sound good enough for me to get through. And you're right today isn't any different but attitudes are changing, and we are beginning to question. Think about it, if you were a buddhist 60-70 yrs ago people how would you have been accepted? They say the the master Jesus was taught in another land, we're not sure where he was during the missing years of his life.
But if he was taught by buddhist, he wouldn't have been accepted very well in the hebrew community at that time...what do you think???

[adrian]

call me stupid but what is a Gund???

[Tigerwallah]

You must not spend much time in FAO Shwartz Toy Store ;) Gund is just a manufacturer of cute, soft, overstuffed teddy bears and animals.

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by adrian
I'm not so sure it is a clarification, i just thought it sounded like a pretty good explanation... but it does sound good enough for me to get through. And you're right today isn't any different but attitudes are changing, and we are beginning to question. Think about it, if you were a buddhist 60-70 yrs ago people how would you have been accepted? They say the the master Jesus was taught in another land, we're not sure where he was during the missing years of his life.
But if he was taught by buddhist, he wouldn't have been accepted very well in the hebrew community at that time...what do you think???

I think that is very plausable. Maybe Cayce just didn't know what else to call himself. He was just a simple farmer, raised as a Christian. It's possible that he just didn't have another label for himself, I guess. You're right about people of Cayce's time, though. I told my grandmother that I didn't believe in Catholicism because it was unequal for women, and that I felt strongly that there must be a Goddess. Her response was that I was a devil-worshipping lesbian.

As for Jesus teaching in other lands...I really think they're just grasping at straws. I doubt he did anything, but work as a carpenter with his father, for the missing years. I think he just fit into the deity genre. His mother claimed to have been a Virgin - all the goddesses and gods were born in an unusual way. So, when he was martyred for his political practices and beliefs - he became a god in the minds of some of the Hebrews. Just my thought. Also, at that time, a woman who is found to be pregnant or not a virgin on her wedding night was stoned. Mary had a lot riding on covering up a pregnancy.

[LaDaya]

I love discussing theology and religion with other people. But most people if they aren't open minded won't discuss anything but how their way is the only way. I have no problem with listening to them I just wish most of them had the courtesy to let me share my beliefs and to have a friendly discussion about the differences and similarities but most people that is not possible... It's very sad what we do to each other in the name of religion.

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah
You must not spend much time in FAO Shwartz Toy Store ;) Gund is just a manufacturer of cute, soft, overstuffed teddy bears and animals. Who me? of course i know what a gund is...now what did you say it was? oh yea! one of thos teddy bear thingys...thanks. Now i'm really blushing...LOL. i collect the bear figurines, even though i kept a teddy bear for about 10 yrs once, lost it to my daughter when she moved out, never saw it again. Now i know what gund is... i think!

[rantnraven]

I thought a Gund was like the thing I carried into the dessert that was not loaded when I was acausted by bikers.

It was a 12 gauge shot gund. :)

RnR

[adrian]

Originally posted by rantnraven


Oh yeah - huh!?!

RnR

You are too funny. Oh great one i bow before you....i knew you would attain that status, it's better than being a teddy bear....maybe not.

[adrian]

Originally posted by rantnraven
I thought a Gund was like the thing I carried into the dessert that was not loaded when I was acausted by bikers.

It was a 12 gauge shot gund. :)

RnR Then again maybe being a pseudo-god isn't all that...with jokes like that i'll be bowing and puking!!!

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by adrian
Then again maybe being a pseudo-god isn't all that...with jokes like that i'll be bowing and puking!!!
ROTFL!!!! Good one, Adrian!!!!

[Tigerwallah]

RnR,
Would you consider yourself Patron Pseudo-god of Porch swings, pickles, and banisher of Hell's Angels? Just would like to know what you can, as a pseudo god, do for me. ;)

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah
RnR,
Would you consider yourself Patron Pseudo-god of Porch swings, pickles, and banisher of Hell's Angels? Just would like to know what you can, as a pseudo god, do for me. ;)

Not Hell's Angels, that would be for a REAL god - just little punk dirt bikers.

Might wanna toss in "Fluffer of Comfy Couch Chair Thingies" too.

HEAR ME FOR I AM RANT! PATRON PSEUDO-GOD OF...

*POP* Was that thunder or my knee?
*ouch* :D

RnR

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by rantnraven


Not Hell's Angels, that would be for a REAL god - just little punk dirt bikers.

Might wanna toss in "Fluffer of Comfy Couch Chair Thingies" too.

HEAR ME FOR I AM RANT! PATRON PSEUDO-GOD OF...

*POP* Was that thunder or my knee?
*ouch* :D

RnR

My pillow has flattened out. Can you take care of that? Or is it specifically couch chair thingies?

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah


My pillow has flattened out. Can you take care of that? Or is it specifically couch chair thingies?

Sorry, that would be Pillowidius patron pseudo-god of pillow fluffing and bad hair days. I think he also turns matresses.

RnR

[cydira]

<sneaks up behind RnR and pounces>

HUG!!!!

<gives RnR a great big hug for being so sweet>

There ya go. :)

<merrily proceeds to hug everybody else> :D

[rantnraven]

Originally posted by cydira
<sneaks up behind RnR and pounces>

HUG!!!!

<gives RnR a great big hug for being so sweet>

There ya go. :)

<merrily proceeds to hug everybody else> :D

Thank you sweetie. Hugs all around the porch.

[adrian]

Being a God has its' moments, hugs and all you deserve it RnR for being so great with us.

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by rantnraven


Sorry, that would be Pillowidius patron pseudo-god of pillow fluffing and bad hair days. I think he also turns matresses.

RnR

ROTFL!!!! If I were the huggy type, and not your basic amazon warrior type, I'd give you a big squeeze too!!!! That really gave me a great laugh.

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by adrian
Being a God has its' moments, hugs and all you deserve it RnR for being so great with us.

Adrian, I think you're both pretty awesome!!!

[sherry]

RnR you just crack me up!! it is a good thing you had your gun and not your gund or you might be in bigger trouble and the headlines dontcha know would be imbarassing even though you won!!

NAKED MAN WHOOPS THE TAR OUT OF BIKER GANG WITH A TEDDYBEAR!!

that would be hard to live down!!

big HUG and next time your up I WILL FLUFF THAT PILLOW THINGY for you!!

Brownies are done who wants some!!

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah


Adrian, I think you're both pretty awesome!!! Thank you!!! An awesome teddybear, i think i like the god better...LOL

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by adrian
Thank you!!! An awesome teddybear, i think i like the god better...LOL

RnR announced himself to be a pseudo god. You could too!!!!! I don't think, with an Avitar like that, any of us would argue with you.

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah


RnR announced himself to be a pseudo god. You could too!!!!! I don't think, with an Avitar like that, any of us would argue with you. No thank you. I believe teddy bears get more hugs!
I'll be content to bowing before the pseudo god, he has
wisdom and knowledge of things unknown to teddy bears.

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah


RnR announced himself to be a pseudo god. You could too!!!!! I don't think, with an Avitar like that, any of us would argue with you. Is my avatar that bad? I knew i shouldn't have chose it, but it was the only one with a black man. If i knew how to play with this stupid machine i would have found something less intimidating... it doesn't even look like me. i wish!!! LOL
stay tuned for further changes.

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by adrian
Is my avatar that bad? I knew i shouldn't have chose it, but it was the only one with a black man. If i knew how to play with this stupid machine i would have found something less intimidating... it doesn't even look like me. i wish!!! LOL
stay tuned for further changes.
NO!!!! I love it. It reminds me of Warf from Star Trek. I loooooooooove Warf. I have a friend who looks like your Avitar a little, and he's the kindest, gentlest guy I've ever met. It reminds me of him. I really like your avitar.

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by adrian
No thank you. I believe teddy bears get more hugs!
I'll be content to bowing before the pseudo god, he has
wisdom and knowledge of things unknown to teddy bears.
Ok, but this was your chance to become ADRIAN - Pseudo God of torn ears, missing eyes, and a dead president who carried a big stick and hunted defenseless creatures for pleasure.

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah

NO!!!! I love it. It reminds me of Warf from Star Trek. I loooooooooove Warf. I have a friend who looks like your Avitar a little, and he's the kindest, gentlest guy I've ever met. It reminds me of him. I really like your avitar. Do we have a star trek fan here? Well, i went back into my profile and looked at the other images particularly teddy bears and the ones that are there i didn't like, one was too small (i'm not a small man), and the other looked like it couldn't be trusted... I, like your friend am a gentle man, a "teddy bear" even a "pussycat"; and my word is all i have, when given i am bound by it, and it is a very good friend who has my heart open in trust; i found early on i couldn't trust everyone...shame...so i limit it to "Very Good" friends which i don't have any, i am a solitary.
Live Long and Prosper.

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah

Ok, but this was your chance to become ADRIAN - Pseudo God of torn ears, missing eyes, and a dead president who carried a big stick and hunted defenseless creatures for pleasure. I see, a martyr! something to think about but i don't think i like the "hunted defenseless creatures for pleasure" part...
so i'll just stay adrian, resident teddy bear, eyesight going, hearing fading...LOL. Thanks for the laughs tonite!!

[Tigerwallah]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by adrian
[BWell, i went back into my profile and looked at the other images particularly teddy bears and the ones that are there i didn't like, one was too small (i'm not a small man), and the other looked like it couldn't be trusted...
[/B][/QUOTE

Did it look like it spent too long hanging out on the shelf with Chucky?

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah
[QUOTE]Originally posted by adrian
[BWell, i went back into my profile and looked at the other images particularly teddy bears and the ones that are there i didn't like, one was too small (i'm not a small man), and the other looked like it couldn't be trusted...
[/QUOTE

Did it look like it spent too long hanging out on the shelf with Chucky? [/B] Yes!!! That's a perfect discription, So you saw it? Dreadful thing, not me at all.

[gunner]

i don't see a problem with your present avatar, you can create your own from a photo or other source as long as it's (i think) 64x64 or can be shrunk down to that size

[Rævyn Cigány]

I had the funniest thing happen to me just last Sunday. I had just gotten out of the shower and was getting dressed when I happened to pass by my livingroom window and a Jehovah's Witness couple was knocking on my next door neighbour's door. Well, I figured I was going to be next on their list, so I got dressed. Not even thinking, the first piece of jewellery I donned was my pentacle (a Pentacle of the Goddess, very pretty). Sure enough, the knock on the door came and I very quietly opened the door and faced the couple, very smartly dressed, Watchtower magazines in hand (how's THAT for hypocrisy??). Well, they didn't even say "hello" when the woman looked in the vicinity of my pentacle, gave her husband a "look" and without a word they turned around and walked away! LOL! I didn't have to say a single word to them!

Blessings and light to those who walk with Her!
(and even to those who don't!)

Rae )0(

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by adrian
Yes!!! That's a perfect discription, So you saw it? Dreadful thing, not me at all.

I think that both of them were Pokemon. The small one is what the evil looking one turns into when it gets stronger.

[Angel]

I've had a girl calling herself pimpstress call me evil, because I'm a witch and alos happen to be bi. I used to get quite irrate at thing like that. Now it just makes me feel sad that people still think that way and makes me feel proud that I'm not that ignorant.

[cydira]

You reminded me of how my mother made them run from the house. They knocked on the door when she was in the shower. She came out, didn't even bother with a towel and walked up to the door. Their expressions of shock turned to horror when they saw the dog trying to crash through the window to play with them. She then asked in a slightly surly tone, "What do you want?" They kinda broke mach 6 running back to their car.

I don't possibly know why... my brother's dog was a very sweet thing. He just looked rather nasty, what do you get for crossing a mutt with a huskie other then something that looks like a wolf with funny coloration. <shrugs> Oh well... maeby they were blinded my mother's beauty??? My father says it's rather intimidating.

<laughs>

[bluecat]

Originally posted by cydira
You reminded me of how my mother made them run from the house. They knocked on the door when she was in the shower. She came out, didn't even bother with a towel and walked up to the door. Their expressions of shock turned to horror when they saw the dog trying to crash through the window to play with them. She then asked in a slightly surly tone, "What do you want?" They kinda broke mach 6 running back to their car.

I don't possibly know why... my brother's dog was a very sweet thing. He just looked rather nasty, what do you get for crossing a mutt with a huskie other then something that looks like a wolf with funny coloration. <shrugs> Oh well... maeby they were blinded my mother's beauty??? My father says it's rather intimidating.

<laughs>

Mach 6, eh? Maybe we should inform the military. ;) :bigredgri

Blue :cool:

[Angel]

LOL @ the Jehovah's Witnesses story!!!

[Tigerwallah]

You can't survive a Mormon conversion. They do it postumously. That's right, if you didn't know it, they keep a geneology library, and convert you after you die. I once asked a Mormon about this, and she said that your soul makes the choice ( of course they believe that everyone makes the choice to convert). So, I told her that I know my soul very well, and that I did not, under any circumstances, wish to be a Mormon. In fact, I think I'm going to put that on my headstone. :D

[bluecat]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah
You can't survive a Mormon conversion. They do it postumously. That's right, if you didn't know it, they keep a geneology library, and convert you after you die. I once asked a Mormon about this, and she said that your soul makes the choice ( of course they believe that everyone makes the choice to convert). So, I told her that I know my soul very well, and that I did not, under any circumstances, wish to be a Mormon. In fact, I think I'm going to put that on my headstone. :D

Hey, I'm one of the folks who was UNINVITED ;) from the church, they have no sense of humor. But you are right, they do perform "Baptisms for the Dead" ... kind of morbid if you ask me.

Blue :cool:

[Dragonmother]

I just met a man, a poet- who has the most amazing single question I have heard. He asks the prozelitisers; "Does your religion consider women to be absolutely equal at all times? " They usually hem and haw, and say something about "well- historically-" and he cuts them off and says "Does your religion consider women to be unclean at any time of the month, or of her life?" He gets the same stuttering, and they have to admit that yes, a woman is considered unclean during her period. "That isn't my religion" he tells them.

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by bluecat


Hey, I'm one of the folks who was UNINVITED ;) from the church, they have no sense of humor. But you are right, they do perform "Baptisms for the Dead" ... kind of morbid if you ask me.

Blue :cool:

Did you a favor, if you ask me. I hope they kicked you out before you had to go on your self-funded mission :)

[bluecat]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah


Did you a favor, if you ask me. I hope they kicked you out before you had to go on your self-funded mission :)

I didn't do the mission thing, I was also a practicing Witch, the church was just my "front" ... the discovered this and were not humored. ;)

Blue :cool:

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by bluecat


I didn't do the mission thing, I was also a practicing Witch, the church was just my "front" ... the discovered this and were not humored. ;)

Blue :cool:

Ooooooooooooh, that's priceless. My family ancestry is closely tied up in Mormon history. My biological family comes from Navoo, IL. Once, on a trip there in the fall, we saw that the trees on the Catholic land had lost all of they're leaves. On the Mormon property, however, the trees were still full of leaves, and brightly colored - even in cases where there was a Mormon house next to a non-mormon house - one house had leaves, the other no leaves. We were very puzzled by this until last year. My mom worked on a set with an ex-mormon who explained that the church ran hot water pipes underground to "arrange" the "miracle."

[Earth Walker]

:) What tangled webs they weave......... :D

[Dragonmother]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah


I think that is very plausable. Maybe Cayce just didn't know what else to call himself. He was just a simple farmer, raised as a Christian. It's possible that he just didn't have another label for himself, I guess. You're right about people of Cayce's time, though. I told my grandmother that I didn't believe in Catholicism because it was unequal for women, and that I felt strongly that there must be a Goddess. Her response was that I was a devil-worshipping lesbian.

As for Jesus teaching in other lands...I really think they're just grasping at straws. I doubt he did anything, but work as a carpenter with his father, for the missing years. I think he just fit into the deity genre. His mother claimed to have been a Virgin - all the goddesses and gods were born in an unusual way. So, when he was martyred for his political practices and beliefs - he became a god in the minds of some of the Hebrews. Just my thought. Also, at that time, a woman who is found to be pregnant or not a virgin on her wedding night was stoned. Mary had a lot riding on covering up a pregnancy.

AS far as I heard, Mary already had children before Jesus- where did I hear that? The whole Virgin Birth thing came around a lot later. You know, the catholic church will say anything to keep the fathful! And they sure do keep them, don't they? My dear friend who loves me dearly, will go to any religious ceremony- except mine.
About Cayce- As you say, he was just a simple farmer, raised as a christian. I think he was a lot simpler than that. I read every bit of Cayce that I could find, as a teen, and on later re-reading I feel like the man was completely credulous, and had no powers of descrimination at all. He repeated any and every story he heard, without applying any logical thought to what he was hearing or saying. The Bermuda Triangle, for instance- Statistically, no more ships were lost in that area than in any other. Two ships went down in a time frame that was fairly close- after that, many incidents were invented, or moved from their real location to the Bermuda Triangle. I would be very careful in what I listen to from the Cayce society, and most other foundations like them. They deal in what is called Pseudo-science, which is certainly Not real science, but can easily be confused with the real thing.

[Earth Walker]

If the garden of eden was said to have been in
present-day Iraq, and god gave it to Adam to name
all the animals, how then, did he get to Australia,
New Zealand, Antarctica, Europe, China, Africa,
island nations, North & South America, etc, to name
those animals?

In the Gospels, it says that the angel Gabriel came unto
Mary and knew her(diddled), and she had a baby boy
she named Jesus.
So, how then could Jesus be the son-of-god? :confused:

[Lavender]

It's interesting how words get twisted around to suit what the "Church" wants. If you do your own translation of the word "virgin" pertaining to Mary from the original hebrew version...the word used really meant "unwedded woman"...not the virgin of today's meaning. But that's the accepted meaning of the word & bible thumpers use that to their advantage.

[Angel]

Dragonmother, I like your thinking. Next time soemone tries to convert me, I'm gonna try it!!!

[adrian]

Originally posted by gunner
i don't see a problem with your present avatar, you can create your own from a photo or other source as long as it's (i think) 64x64 or can be shrunk down to that size Thanks for the info gunner but i shall be sticking with my current avatar, he looks kind of handsome except for the big lips.LOL

[adrian]

Originally posted by Tigerwallah


I think that both of them were Pokemon. The small one is what the evil looking one turns into when it gets stronger. Stronger??? it looks evil to me but then i hear that pokemon are suppose to be good guys. I will be away for a while so you won't see my avatar, business.;)

[Tigerwallah]

Originally posted by adrian
Stronger??? it looks evil to me but then i hear that pokemon are suppose to be good guys. I will be away for a while so you won't see my avatar, business.;)

If I recall, correctly, the stronger they get the wilder they look because they also get harder to control. :p

Have fun on your business trip. We'll miss you :).

[Dragonmother]

Originally posted by adrian
Thanks for the info gunner but i shall be sticking with my current avatar, he looks kind of handsome except for the big lips.LOL
Whaddaya talking about? Those lips aren't big! That's a good-looking guy! Have you noticed that black- um, I mean African-American- beauty has undergone a mainstreaming process? Once a minority establishes itself as a consumer demographic, it undergoes this process. Used to be all black images were light-skinned, but they realised that darker-skinned people buy things too. Your avatar is a nice, commercially appealing type- medium dark, medium big lips... and nice, clean, even dreads.
um, What were we talking about? I remember- conversions...

[Dria El]

Originally posted by adrian
i am always gracious, no matter what religion i'm dealing with, i like Mystique engage them in intellectual debates about the differences between paganism and christianity; i love these discussions and they leave with a look of "this is a tough one" on their faces.
The last watchtower i got was entitled...The Kingdom Good News-Is it for You?
My answer is...No not really, not at that price.

I am also courteous when confronted with others of a different religion. I used to get the Missionaries at my door all the time (thanks MOM!) but I just calmly explained to them that I wasn't interested and they left it at that. They were very nice and not at all pushy about it. I guess you just have to remember that they are just kids. And not only that, they have been involved in a almost cult-ish religion for probably most, if not all their lives. They are told to spend 2 years away from their families (some of them for the first time) and they live on nothing. They have very little of their own 'personal' time. They have a very rigid schedule. As you can tell, I kinda feel sorry for them. I think they suffer alot while their 'out'. By the way I know what I'm talking about because I grew up Mormon. I have 2 brothers that have been on missions, 1 brother that is on a mission now, and 1 more that is about to leave on a mission.

Guess I'm rambling... off to the Jehovah's Witness's (did I spell that right?). I get them at my door regularly. The one that is the 'usual' one is very nice and we have lots of conversations about what's in the new magazine. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. We have such a nice thing going that I almost dread when she finally gets around to asking if I have a religion. I kinda doubt she will though, she's been coming around for a long time now and I guess she figures if she doesn't bring it up then it won't matter. lol I also get a kick at the thought of the reaction they'll have when they find out this 'nice lady' is a naked loving, Goddess worshipping, witch. Oh well, I guess the only constant in life is change.

Hmmm... I think somewhere in there I lost my point... hehe Oh, I guess all I'm trying to say is put yourself in their shoes (no matter how WRONG they are!:D ) and maybe it'll make you more tolerant. Another thing I try to consider if I start to get 'flustered' is WWGD? (What Would God/dess Do?)

Anywhooo, enough of my ranting...

On and Oningly,
Dria El

[Dria El]

Have you ever looked at the publications the JW's put out? Sometimes they have the coolest pictures in there!

:)ingly,
Dria El

[Dria El]

Originally posted by bluecat


Hey, I'm one of the folks who was UNINVITED ;) from the church, they have no sense of humor. But you are right, they do perform "Baptisms for the Dead" ... kind of morbid if you ask me.

Blue :cool:

I've done baptisms for the dead and I agree it IS a little morbid (and presumptious!).

Ackingly,
Dria El