Order of nine angels?

[Shanti]

What is it past and today?

Research time. Not really anything I could find in Google and I wouldn't know bull from sincerity.

[Philosophia]

Is it Angels or Angles? Or are they the same thing?

The Order of Nine Angles (ONA) is a non-institutionalized Satanic Order, initially formed in the United Kingdom and which rose to prominence during the 1980's and 1990's. The Order postulates Satanism as being a highly individualized quest that aims to create personal excellence and Self deification. This is thought to aid in the evolution of the individual which in turn leads to the transformation of society into a higher, refined civilization. The ONA also condones, practices, and encourages human sacrifice as a means of eliminating the weak.
From here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles)

Here are some more links:
http://camlad9.tripod.com/
http://biphome.spray.se/d.scot/Satanism/Ona/ona.htm
http://www.totse.com/en/religion/satanists/ona3.html
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsnineangles.htm
http://www.hexarchive.com/satan/ONA.htm

[Shanti]

Is it Angels or Angles? Or are they the same thing?


From here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles)

Here are some more links:
http://camlad9.tripod.com/
http://biphome.spray.se/d.scot/Satanism/Ona/ona.htm
http://www.totse.com/en/religion/satanists/ona3.html
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsnineangles.htm
http://www.hexarchive.com/satan/ONA.htmI have no clue, angels, angles.
I know nothing about it, hence the research. Hope I can find out which it is. :)

Those links talk about everything from a negative side, including Satanism itself. I was hoping for more than just the dark stuff written on the net as much connected to Satanism is most often portrayed that way.

[Eternal Night]

Dunno whether these will help ya at all i found them interesting reading


My bad!! :P

[Shanti]

The first 3 are repeats that Philosophia already linked. And the last link doesnt talk about ONA at all.
Thanks anyhow. :)

[Eternal Night]

Sorry my bad honey!! ;)

[David19]

Those links talk about everything from a negative side, including Satanism itself. I was hoping for more than just the dark stuff written on the net as much connected to Satanism is most often portrayed that way.

I can't provide any more links, but I think the reason that the sites seem "negative" isn't to make Satanism look bad (as several of the sites were by Satanists), it's just the ONA has a particularly dark reputation even amongst other Satanits, for example, as the first site Philosophia gave, it gives details about human sacrifice and what it is 'cause the ONA practice it (at least according to them, whether they actually do it is another story).

They also are said to have neo-nazi leanings, as apparantly, the founder was a neo-nazi in Britain.

[Shanti]

I can't provide any more links, but I think the reason that the sites seem "negative" isn't to make Satanism look bad (as several of the sites were by Satanists), it's just the ONA has a particularly dark reputation even amongst other Satanits, for example, as the first site Philosophia gave, it gives details about human sacrifice and what it is 'cause the ONA practice it (at least according to them, whether they actually do it is another story).

They also are said to have neo-nazi leanings, as apparantly, the founder was a neo-nazi in Britain.
I cant find in the links where it says the founder was a nazi, only that some nazi's practiced/followed the ONA, whatever the heck the ONA is.
I still cant figure out if its suppose to be angels or angles...if any of these sites are accurate, which one is? They are using different words, angels and angles.

[Shanti]

Take the order, Order of nine angels/angles. What are those angles?
Or, who are those angels?

I find websites just repeating what those links state. Copy sites.

But I'll keep looking in between the other work I have to get done here in RL.

[Shanti]

Its angles....~busy reading~ Be right back.

[Shanti]

This is interesting. Supposable the claim to have been around for over 100 yrs. Thats before Nazi's.

3.3 The Order of Nine Angles The Order of Nine Angles (ONA), based in England, are probably the most controversial Satanic group that is around at present. Their aims and intents, and indeed their teachings, seem to be misunderstood and perhaps feared by many people, including some other Satanic groups. The ONA claim the title of 'traditional Satanists' and claim to have been around for well over one hundred years. The system they advocate is known as the Septenary tradition, 'the seven-fold Way'. 'Physis' is divided into seven stages, which represent the varying degrees of insight attained; the stages representing Initiation, Second Degree Initiation, External Adept, Internal Adept, Master/Mistress (or High Priest/Priestess), Magus, and Immortal. Much of the work is very practical. A great and refreshing aspect to ONA is 'The Star Game' which has three main functions: (1) Development of higher levels of consciousness. (2) A new form of magickal working for the 21st Century and beyond. (3) Development of certain 'magickal' skills, aiding mindfulness, concentration and visualization. Whatever rumors are told about the ONA one should check them out for themselves. Whether you agree with them or not, they certainly live up to the name 'Satanists'. 3.3.1 How do I contact the ONA? As of early 1998, the ONA have reverted back to 'coversion', which is to say underground status. Thus there is no contact address, and likely will not be for several years. There are several cells of the ONA existing across the globe (including the US) - however no contact addresses are currently available. Faqs.com (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/religions/satanism/faqngp/)

[Shanti]

I wonder if the seal of nine angles is connect to the ONA. If this is where they got the idea of the angles.
Generally speaking, some of these angles were taken from Pythagoras, who talked in terms of the significance of 'numbers" rather than "angles. From my readings on the subject, I am convinced that Plato's discourses upon geometry and the significance of the various "Platonic solids" are essentially taken from Pythagoras' work, just as Pythagoras came up with these notions following his lengthy stay in Egypt as a priesthood initiate. Fascinating how these "trails" just keep going backward until they vanish into the mists of pre-recorded history.
Bear in mind that the Ceremony of the Nine Angles was composed within the conceptual and iconographic limits of the Age of Satan. Nor was it intended to be an extensive, exhaustive "last word" on the angles or other included concepts; it was conceived as a noetic vision and GBM expression. The following comments pertain to my ideas at that time and deliberately avoid embellishing the CNA with the more sophisticated concepts to which I have since been sensitized through my own work and the many brilliant examinations by other Setians.

LINK (http://www.trapezoid.org/thought/commentary.html)

[Shanti]

I cant look for more right now...got stuff to do.
The lack of info makes this all the more interesting.

Secretive little bunch that's for sure. :hahugh:

[Sesen]

Heres a couple websites I didn't see linked.

http://www.blacklotusmonastery.tk/# has a brief description of them under 'various Satanic theologies'. that's the only place I've read anything on them before today.

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/ has a few articles and an interview with a representative of the order in England. I haven't read anything there so I don't know how informative it is. Found it through a google search.

[Eternal Night]

Take the order, Order of nine angels/angles. What are those angles?
Or, who are those angels?

I find websites just repeating what those links state. Copy sites.

But I'll keep looking in between the other work I have to get done here in RL.

they are indeed u've got me intrigued now......this explains the angles hope u find it more useful than my last attempt!! ;)

http://www.trapezoid.org/thought/commentary.html

[Shanti]

Heres a couple websites I didn't see linked.

http://www.blacklotusmonastery.tk/# has a brief description of them under 'various Satanic theologies'. that's the only place I've read anything on them before today.

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/ has a few articles and an interview with a representative of the order in England. I haven't read anything there so I don't know how informative it is. Found it through a google search.
The first link I can barely read, my eyes arent so young anymore. ;)
I couldn't see any info on ONA there.

The second link, I have been there. When you click their links to the Temple 88 of the ONA main, you get bloodflag that is some resource page for cord blood banking and registering and such.
All lot of crap to have to page through to find info. Thats where I lack time for. I cant just sit on the pc and read. I have to keep stopping to tend to RL.

[Shanti]

they are indeed u've got me intrigued now......this explains the angles hope u find it more useful than my last attempt!! ;)

http://www.trapezoid.org/thought/commentary.html
I already have that link up where I talked about the possible connection of the seal of nine angles and the ONA. :lol:

[Eternal Night]

I already have that link up where I talked about the possible connection of the seal of nine angles and the ONA. :lol:

:lol: I think I'll just give up now!! :lol:

So hard to find anything about them.........

[Shanti]

:lol: I think I'll just give up now!! :lol:

So hard to find anything about them.........
Yeah, it really is hard. Thats why I started the thread. Hoping there is more than the little tibits thus far to be shared. :)

Funny its all my SO's fault. He started this. Someone at work asked him if he ever heard of the ONA. The guy that asked heard someone else ask and he didnt know anything. My SO didnt know anything either.
So the guys at work are all trying to figure out what is the ONA.
My SO asked me. I have no clue, but time to google!!
With the little info thus far, I brought the question here. :)

Now me and my SO are trying to learn what the ONA is all about cause we dont know squat.
Hence my research. :)

[Eternal Night]

Hmm where's Stormbeard or Rudas wen ya need em?!

[Sesen]

The first link I can barely read, my eyes arent so young anymore. ;)
I couldn't see any info on ONA there.

The second link, I have been there. When you click their links to the Temple 88 of the ONA main, you get bloodflag that is some resource page for cord blood banking and registering and such.
All lot of crap to have to page through to find info. Thats where I lack time for. I cant just sit on the pc and read. I have to keep stopping to tend to RL.


Aye, the first page is hard to read:lol: . Doesn't have much information that you probably haven't read anyway though.
http://camlad9.tripod.com/sigil2.jpg





Subdivision: Theistic
Filter: Aeonic memetics
Founder: Anton Long
Key Text: Codex Saerus/Naos
Respectability Score (out of 10): 8


Like the Joy of Satan, the ONA is a mixed bag, although I find their system more philosophically sound than the former. First the negatives: 1)ties to National Socialist (Nazi) ideology, and 2)the encouragement of serious criminal activity including murder. With drawbacks like these, some may wonder why I have given them such a high respectability score. My reason for this is that I find their system to be brutally consistent with a true LHP approach. Some Satanists may present a pretense of morality, but we should keep in mind that such a moral code proceeds from the individual him/herself, and can never be imposed as in RHP traditions. The ONA thus represents a true manifestation of the path of Evil, which though many Satanists are unwilling to acknowledge, is a real force operative in the universe. The ONA is unique in this respect, they do not deny the force of Evil, but rather seek to embrace it - I find this worthy of respect. Also, the system of the ONA is rivaled only by that of the Temple of Set in its complexity - they present a complete system of metaphysics, which agree or disagree, must also be held worthy of respect. Key to the ONA system are two principles: Aeonics and the Acausal. The first of these is a system of anthropological analysis whose scope is unrivaled by that of any LHP system. The latter is an ontlogy of the universe which, again, has no serious rivals within the LHP traditions in its level of complexity. Many Satanists would compare involvement with the ONA system to playing with fire, but we must remember the Promethean myth here; such knowledge can only corrupt the weak.


The second page, I think, Is a mirror site to the main ONA website which doesn't seem to be online anymore. Heres a link to the interview:

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/additional/an_interview_with_christos_beest.htm

I have lot's of time on my hands at the moment.:hahugh:

[Shanti]

Hmm where's Stormbeard or Rudas wen ya need em?!
Researching? :lol:

The ONA home page isnt even there.
Its suppose to be http://www.satanism.net/iss/ona/,
but all you get is redirected to http://www.satanism.net/?f,
the index of a lot of stuff not including ONA.

[Shanti]

Aye, the first page is hard to read:lol: . Doesn't have much information that you probably haven't read anyway though.



The second page, I think, Is a mirror site to the main ONA website which doesn't seem to be online anymore. Heres a link to the interview:

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/additional/an_interview_with_christos_beest.htm

I have lot's of time on my hands at the moment.:hahugh:
Hey thats better!! :)
Very interesting..~goes off to read the link before she has to stop again to take care of the kids.~

[Shanti]

The Sinister Tradition of the ONA has its origins in the solar cults of Albion. It was in its origins - and still is today - a way of empathic Magick based upon a cosmic division of seven, expressed mainly through Chant and the use of crystals. It was, up until quite recently, an entirely oral Tradition - although some ceremonies were written down in code. Only fragments of this original Tradition have survived to present day, and these comprise mainly of the mythos of the Dark Gods; Sinister Chant; and the tradition of Sacrifice, or Culling - the quintessence of Satanism. For a long period of time, only women practised the Way, and sometimes decades passed before any new Initiations were undertaken.From Sesens link

[Shanti]

Wow is this guy for real?
The moder-day manifestations of (so-called) Satanism that have emerged in America do not seem to understand this - as they do not seem to possess any genuine Sinister understanding beyond the states of the Ego, beyond mere indulgence. The "Temple of Set" has over the past few years revealed its total lack of Satanic understanding by constraining its members by dogma (an "Infernal Mandate"), by ethics (!), and by subservience to the authority of a Priesthood, and the High Priest himself. It also took it upon itself to "proscribe" the ONA for daring to publish "unethical" MSS that would give Satanism a "bad name".
And as for the "Church of Satan" (which has much the same mentality): I do not acknowledge it, and will not bow down to any man or creed - Satan wants comrades, not sychophants! Perhaps CoS would then like to officially declare me a coward, and thus would be gentlemanly enough to accept my subsequent challenge to them (i.e. to one of their members) to a dual [I am quite serious!].
Oh man theres no date. I would love to know when this interview was done.

[Shanti]

What I wonder is if Christos Beest's perspective is that of all involved in the ONA and if that's the perspective followed today.

[ShadowStalker]

Some links for you:

The Order of Nine Angles (http://camlad9.tripod.com)

Definition/Info from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles)

Books (http://www.ixaxaar.com/ona.html)

[Shanti]

Some links for you:

The Order of Nine Angles (http://camlad9.tripod.com)

Definition/Info from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles)

Books (http://www.ixaxaar.com/ona.html)Thank you. We have the one link.
I'm not a big fan of wiki since its just written by anyone.
The books are interesting, but I'm not buying any. I'm just researching for pleasure. :)

[ShadowStalker]

Thank you. We have the one link.
I'm not a big fan of wiki since its just written by anyone.
The books are interesting, but I'm not buying any. I'm just researching for pleasure. :)

I like to use Wiki as a starting point - and verify the information from there. ;) Alot of times it gives me terms and basics that I can't find otherwise, for whatever reason.

[Shanti]

I like to use Wiki as a starting point - and verify the information from there. ;) Alot of times it gives me terms and basics that I can't find otherwise, for whatever reason.This is very true. It is good for a starting point. :)

[Stormbeard]

The three original angels were Sabrina Duncan (Kate Jackson), Jill Munroe (Farrah Fawcett-Majors) and Kelly Garrett (Jaclyn Smith). Later, when a character left (because the actress went on to other projects, etc) another "angel" was brought on to keep the number at three. Later angels were Jill's little sister Kris Munroe (Cheryl Ladd), Tiffany Welles (Shelley Hack), and Julie Rogers (Tanya Roberts).

[Shanti]

The three original angels were Sabrina Duncan (Kate Jackson), Jill Munroe (Farrah Fawcett-Majors) and Kelly Garrett (Jaclyn Smith). Later, when a character left (because the actress went on to other projects, etc) another "angel" was brought on to keep the number at three. Later angels were Jill's little sister Kris Munroe (Cheryl Ladd), Tiffany Welles (Shelley Hack), and Julie Rogers (Tanya Roberts).:lol:
Now that I know about...aw yes, the angels of prime time. :)

[Eternal Night]

:rollingla:rollingla:rollingla:rollingla

ahh so funny!

[Stormbeard]

Oh, and it's The Order of the Nine Angles not the nine Angels.

http://camlad9.tripod.com/

There you go folks. Have fun.

[Shanti]

Oh, and it's The Order of the Nine Angles not the nine Angels.

http://camlad9.tripod.com/

There you go folks. Have fun.Thank you very much, but that link was given in post 2. _inabox_
Been there and beyond. :hahugh:

[Stormbeard]

It's a cult. A rather stupid cult. Unfortunatley, with the word 'satanism' tends to come a lot of dickheadery.

The ONA believes in ritual sacrifice. Culty cult cult.

[Shanti]

It's a cult. A rather stupid cult. Unfortunatley, with the word 'satanism' tends to come a lot of dickheadery.

The ONA believes in ritual sacrifice. Culty cult cult.Are they really around today as the one article said, in the US, Europe.
Were they something to be feared in the past as it sounds like they were or is it exaggeration?
If still around, are they targeted by the authorities for their potential human sacrificial desires?
Do they still carry out their human sacrificial practices anywhere in the world today?

[Stormbeard]

Like any cult, there are still those misguided enough to practice.

Ritual sacrifice does still happen in the world today, but it's nowhere near a big enough problem to be specifically targeted by the relevent authorities. There are thousands more people dying every day from drug abuse and gun crime for them to focus their attentions on such a narrow group of people. Human sacrifice is just treated like murder in the eyes of the law.

They're not something to be feared. Like other cults, they need to be feared to exist. To gather new members, make sure that old members don't leave and to stop people from digging to 'expose' them (see Scientology as a prime example of how this works).

[Rudas Starblaze]

It's a cult. A rather stupid cult. Unfortunatley, with the word 'satanism' tends to come a lot of dickheadery.

The ONA believes in ritual sacrifice. Culty cult cult.

ive never even heard of the ONA. i was starting to think the same thing SB just said. :lol:

[Alkhemia]

About the ONA/Nazi link; It has been speculated that Anton Long's real name is David Myatt. You can find out a lot on the net about Myatt, Long, the ONA, etc. (Here's the wiki article to start. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Myatt)) Myatt did (does?) have an interest in Nazism, but he's apparently a Muslim now. :huh:

As to the whole "human sacrifice"-thing. I don't think it can be taken seriously and it is probably a mythology created by Myatt/Long to sound "hardcore." From what I heave heard from people who were associated with the ONA, Long/Myatt was desperate to appear as antinomian as possible. Remember, Crowley liked to make similar jokes to startle and befuddle literalists. (Not that I wish to compare Long/Myatt to Crowley.)


Alkhemia

[AnaRQy]

Yes, its Order of Nine Angles. If you want to research some of their books do a google search for author Christos Beest and you should hit the mother load.

Educate yourself:
http://satanicsingles.com/library/NAOS.pdf
http://satanicsingles.com/library/ONA_bbos123.pdf

Ave Satanas!