personal research....

[Rudas Starblaze]

can i get a list all the gods and goddesses you all can think of except for the sons and daughters of other gods and goddesses please?

ETA: im just being lazy and dont feel like looking through all of RD's books!

[Xentor]

Me.

[Rudas Starblaze]

Me.

since i was asking about gods and goddesses.....does that mean youre ambisextrous?:lol:

[LadyCelt]

What about the pantheon of American Idol? They are pretty interesting. jk.

[Fiamma]

can i get a list all the gods and goddesses you all can think of except for the sons and daughters of other gods and goddesses please?

ETA: im just being lazy and dont feel like looking through all of RD's books!


Uhhhh....I can think of maybe one deity that is not the son or daughter of another deity/ies. That would be the Greek Khaos.

They do tend to have mothers and/or fathers.

[-Sky-]

Well,he said not Gods and Goddesses who are children of other deities. Some Gods and Goddesses have no parents or have parents who were elements or Titans or sth.
Aphrodite/Venus for example sprung from the foam of the sea. There is Danu,the great Mother of the Irish,i don't believe i have heard of her having parents. Same with The Dagda.

[Agaliha]

Khaos.

I believe the the Ogdoad (kemetic). From them, came the others.

Uh. *thinking*

[Fiamma]

Well,he said not Gods and Goddesses who are children of other deities. Some Gods and Goddesses have no parents or have parents who were elements or Titans or sth.
Aphrodite/Venus for example sprung from the foam of the sea. There is Danu,the great Mother of the Irish,i don't believe i have heard of her having parents. Same with The Dagda.


The Titans are deities.

Ouranos is Aphrodite's father. Yes, she was born of the sea...Ouranos was castrated, his manly bits fell into the ocean, and somehow or other this created Aphrodite. (More here if you're interested http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/Aphrodite.html)

[Rudas Starblaze]

well damn!:lol: ok, so how about everyone try to name as many gods and goddesses they can think of with very brief background as in, "is so and so's daughter/son." or "governs over [fill in the blank]."

i have no idea what they govern over or who is whos son or daughter but theses are the names i can think of off the top of my head...

Odin
Thor
the Morrigan
Ra
Anubis
Kai
Budda
Shiva
Lucifer
Rudas lol
El

i know theres a shite slug of em out there, i just cant think of the names!

[LadyCelt]

Did Ashoreth or Inanna have any parents?

[RainInanna]

Wouldn't it be easier to check out some of the existing lists available on the web than to ask people to write their own lists?

http://www.pantheon.org/
http://www.godchecker.com/

[Toby Stimpson]

well damn!:lol: ok, so how about everyone try to name as many gods and goddesses they can think of with very brief background as in, "is so and so's daughter/son." or "governs over [fill in the blank]."

i have no idea what they govern over or who is whos son or daughter but theses are the names i can think of off the top of my head...

Odin
Thor
the Morrigan
Ra
Anubis
Kai
Budda
Shiva
Lucifer
Rudas lol
El

i know theres a shite slug of em out there, i just cant think of the names!


Odin - Buri (Father)
Thor - Odin (Father)
the Morrigan - not sure
Ra - Neith (Mother)
Anubis - Nephtys (Mother), Setesh (Father)
Kai - Never heard of
Budda - Hindu God? his father is Kasyapa; Gautama Buddha is not a god.
Shiva - He kind of just appeared, so fatherless
Lucifer - not sure
Rudas lol - Not sure
El - Chaos, I believe. Although there are several (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28god%29) El's

Just off the top of my head...

Ymir and Buri, were both just 'found' in the ice.
The Christian God... he doesn't have a father or a mother :p

[Rudas Starblaze]

Wouldn't it be easier to check out some of the existing lists available on the web than to ask people to write their own lists?

http://www.pantheon.org/
http://www.godchecker.com/

i thought of doing that and still might, but i was kinda wanting a really brief discription (if any at all) and my luck with looking things up on the net is HORRID!!! lol i can type in something i wanna find, and one of two things always seems to happen, either theres nothing available, or theres a TON of stuff that doesnt answer what im looking for so i figured i would just ask here on MW!:nyah:

[Rudas Starblaze]

Odin - Buri (Father)
Thor - Odin (Father)
the Morrigan - not sure
Ra - Neith (Mother)
Anubis - Nephtys (Mother), Setesh (Father)
Kai - Never heard of
Budda - Hindu God? his father is Kasyapa; Gautama Buddha is not a god.
Shiva - He kind of just appeared, so fatherless
Lucifer - not sure
Rudas lol - Not sure
El - Chaos, I believe. Although there are several (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28god%29) El's

Just off the top of my head...

Ymir and Buri, were both just 'found' in the ice.
The Christian God... he doesn't have a father or a mother :p

the christian God is El. well, according to the majority of the gnostics which i find to be more truthful than the the gospels in the HB. especially the gospel of Judas, possibly the only one actually written by one of the 12. Judas has alway been my hero.:)

[Toby Stimpson]

the christian God is El. well, according to the majority of the gnostics which i find to be more truthful than the the gospels in the HB. especially the gospel of Judas, possibly the only one actually written by one of the 12. Judas has alway been my hero.:)

Well I disagree... he might have derived from one of the El's... but I mean this can be a whole debate in it's self but the question: does an evolved (or devolved depending what your opinion is :p ) form equate to it's ancestor? I would say no... I mean one could also say that the Christian God is also styled on Zeus... but does that make him Zeus? Not really. POne could say that because Satan was styled on Lucifer and took his name, that he IS the same Lucifer.... not really. If you look at Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans and the eastern Orthadox churches... which make up about 96 percent of Christianity, they'll say that the Christian God is the same as YHWH, and that it isnt El. I would kind of tend to agree with you that the christian and Jewish God evolved or was adapted by early semitic El worshippers... but that doesn't mean that the God they worship now is the same being, necessarily.

But anywayss... I digress... another one for you:

Dganawedon - Mohawk/Iraqous saviour, he founded and helped bring together the Confederacy.

[LadyCelt]

God is described as Elohim. It is confusing as to whether it could be the same being as El. I'm not quite sure what Elohim means for sure. Its so confusing!

[David19]

the christian God is El. well, according to the majority of the gnostics which i find to be more truthful than the the gospels in the HB. especially the gospel of Judas, possibly the only one actually written by one of the 12. Judas has alway been my hero.:)


Well I disagree... he might have derived from one of the El's... but I mean this can be a whole debate in it's self but the question: does an evolved (or devolved depending what your opinion is :p ) form equate to it's ancestor? I would say no... I mean one could also say that the Christian God is also styled on Zeus... but does that make him Zeus? Not really. POne could say that because Satan was styled on Lucifer and took his name, that he IS the same Lucifer.... not really. If you look at Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans and the eastern Orthadox churches... which make up about 96 percent of Christianity, they'll say that the Christian God is the same as YHWH, and that it isnt El. I would kind of tend to agree with you that the christian and Jewish God evolved or was adapted by early semitic El worshippers... but that doesn't mean that the God they worship now is the same being, necessarily.

According to quite a few sources, the Jewish God YHWH(which is the Christian and Islamic God as well) is a Midinite god.

Here's a few sites with info:

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/HEBREWS/WANDER.HTM
http://www.bib-arch.org/EditorsPick/bswbEPSubPage.asp?PubID=BSBR&Volume=8&Issue=4&ArticleID=15

And one Jewish Pagan I've spoken with (someone who worships the pre-monotheistic Jewish deities) has said YHWH is from whereever the Midinites are from.

As for other gods that don't have a mother or father:

Chaos (in Hellenic beliefs, I think he was the first being).
Gaia
Nammu (Sumerian goddess who gave birth to the rest of the Sumerian gods, who I don't believe, had any parents).

[David19]

Did Ashoreth or Inanna have any parents?

Inanna's parents were the moon god Nanna-Suen and goddess Ningal (her twin brother is Utu, the Sumerian sun god).

As for Asherah (the Canaanite goddess, I believe Ashoreth is actually the name for a demon, not a god), I'm not too sure - I'm too busy revising right now, but when I get some time, I'll ask some Canaanite recons if they know (or better yet, if OpenHands sees this post, as she's a Canaanite recon, she could probably tell you :)).

[David19]

God is described as Elohim. It is confusing as to whether it could be the same being as El. I'm not quite sure what Elohim means for sure. Its so confusing!

Elohim means gods in Hebrew, it refers to a time when the ancient Hebrews were polytheistic (monotheism really is a late development in Jewish theology). Some Jewish writers also claim that it can be used to describe YHWH as in the royal we (like when the Queen will say "we" to refer to herself, etc).

[LadyCelt]

^^^^ thanks for the replies

It is ocnfusing as to which deitiy is a different spelling or something totally different. I think of Elohim as the plural of God; beyond male, beyond male and female. Psalm 82 states how God judges among the gods. Most footnoes I've found say Elohim/judges mighty ones. But, one footnote in a Bible I"ve found says Pagan gods. Its very confusing.

[adrianne]

The Kemetic goddess Mut has no parents, if I remember correctly. She is given the interesting epithet "She Who Gives Birth, But Was Herself Not Born of Any".

[Agaliha]

The Kemetic goddess Mut has no parents, if I remember correctly. She is given the interesting epithet "She Who Gives Birth, But Was Herself Not Born of Any".

Oh yeah! She didn't.
The Egyptians thought all vultures were female and just...appreared.

[Fiamma]

Inanna's parents were the moon god Nanna-Suen and goddess Ningal (her twin brother is Utu, the Sumerian sun god).

As for Asherah (the Canaanite goddess, I believe Ashoreth is actually the name for a demon, not a god), I'm not too sure - I'm too busy revising right now, but when I get some time, I'll ask some Canaanite recons if they know (or better yet, if OpenHands sees this post, as she's a Canaanite recon, she could probably tell you :)).


yeah, I was gonna say, I know Inanna had an uncle so she must have at least one parent...

[Rudas Starblaze]

well, thanx for the relies that kept on topic. ive decided to go with a different game plan for my reasoning for the research for what im working on that will make more sense anyway.

soooo, eat this thread up, use it for debate or whatever, i gots different ideas for my book now!:hahugh:

[Toby Stimpson]

well, thanx for the relies that kept on topic. ive decided to go with a different game plan for my reasoning for the research for what im working on that will make more sense anyway.

soooo, eat this thread up, use it for debate or whatever, i gots different ideas for my book now!:hahugh:

Your writing a boookk?? Tell us about it!

[Rudas Starblaze]

Your writing a boookk?? Tell us about it!

now that would be a violation of what im up to!!!

just put it this way, its fictional history (AKA mythology) written in a non-fiction form that should answer all those questions that have been asked regarding every religion, gods and goddesses, the unanswered questions of mankind the HB never answered, the origins of witchcraft, the races, everything. but like i said, its just fictional, but it WILL make sense and the more i get into it, the more i even believe it may be true!!

ive been working on it for the last several weeks. there will be no personification or references to other books/authors. im not focusing on any individual person just to keep it sounding more as non-fictional history.

as for where i came up with all of this and the details that i refuse to mention.... thats no ones buisness but mine and i doubt anyone would believe me if i told em! (other than thinking im crazy!!)lol

[David19]

now that would be a violation of what im up to!!!

just put it this way, its fictional history (AKA mythology) written in a non-fiction form that should answer all those questions that have been asked regarding every religion, gods and goddesses, the unanswered questions of mankind the HB never answered, the origins of witchcraft, the races, everything. but like i said, its just fictional, but it WILL make sense and the more i get into it, the more i even believe it may be true!!

ive been working on it for the last several weeks. there will be no personification or references to other books/authors. im not focusing on any individual person just to keep it sounding more as non-fictional history.

as for where i came up with all of this and the details that i refuse to mention.... thats no ones buisness but mine and i doubt anyone would believe me if i told em! (other than thinking im crazy!!)lol

Sounds quite cool. Will you be publishing it or will it be an online book?.