Venting about Nuggets

[Mithrea]

Okay, I know there is a thread about eating meat in New Pagans but this is sort of off topic.

I eat chicken (because I like it) some but if I think about it too hard, I get a little sick.

Hardee's is running this new commercial that has these guys examining a chicken, trying to find the nuggets on a chicken.

Their conclusion is that since chicken doesn't have nuggets, you should come there instead and eat their breast strips.

Why is it necessary to gross me out? Do they really think it is going to make people run out and buy there food? Personally it makes me never want to eat there again.

I know I'm sort of wigging about something that is supposed to be funny but I just have to know if I'm the only one who is sensitive about being reminded where meat comes from? I mean is there anyone like me who does eat meat but likes to "forget" where it comes from?

And if this belongs in Healthy Pagan, please move it. Fast food didn't ring true with "Healthy" ;)

[Niamh]

I get upset at fast food commercials, too.
There's one now for the Burger King Chicken Whopper. IT's a cartoon, and all of these cartoon chickens come marching over a hill like they're in a marching band... like they're HAPPY about becoming chicken whoppers! Makes me insane!

[Chibi-Fallon]

"If a cow had half a chance he would eat you and everyone you care about." :D I love the Simpsons. Honestly, they're commercials, I don't really care. I mean their weird and not really funny, but they're only 30 seconds long.
And honestly had we been around with the dinosaurs, they would have eaten us. Meat is meat, if you don't eat it bad crap can happen to you. You're supposed to eat it to stay healthy.

[Danustouch]

Ummm..actually Chibhi, vegetarians have lived for years without eating meat, and been absolutely fine. As long as they get their iron, and vitamins from alternative sources, they're fine.

[Danustouch]

Incidentally...you could go to any bhuddist monastary and see that your statement is a major generalization, and not informed :)

[Faery-Wings]

Originally posted by Mithrea

I eat chicken (because I like it) some but if I think about it too hard, I get a little sick.

Why is it necessary to gross me out? Do they really think it is going to make people run out and buy there food? Personally it makes me never want to eat there again.

I know I'm sort of wigging about something that is supposed to be funny but I just have to know if I'm the only one who is sensitive about being reminded where meat comes from? I mean is there anyone like me who does eat meat but likes to "forget" where it comes from?


Yes, yes, and yes. :D

I would love to be a vegetarian on principle. The idea of raising an animal to be killed and then me cook/eat it, *shudder* But I do like meat that doesn't look like an animal- chicken cutlets, hamburger. Put it on a bone, and ick!

I haven't seen that commercial, there aren't any Hardees around here, so for that much, I am thankful. But IMO, whoever thinks up some of these commercials.....not doing a good job. :)

[Mithrea]

I do that too Chryssi--nothing with bones. I have to keep this imaginary barrier between what I am eating and animals. It's so silly but there it is. The thing about this commercial is it reminds me of what I have worked so hard to repress. Glad it's not just me. My family thinks I'm nuts. They're like, "pork chops is good, bacon is good, chicken is good." You know, like in Pulp Fiction. They think I'm nuts. :)

[Mithrea]

Oh! I forgot: Every Christmas when my Mom makes the ham, my sisters sits in the kitchen singing, "I love ham, ham loves me . . . " to the tune of the Barney song.

Wait a minute, it's my family that's nuts!!!!! :eek:

[Niamh]

That is kind of funny, singing about ham...

But we all have different senses of humor, and that's what makes the world go 'round!

And mine tends to be WAY different

[Illuminatus]

Nuggets come from the rib meat of the chicken... the meat between the bones that's a bit fatty and too small to serve as one piece. They pile it all together, shred it up, add breading, deep fry, and there you have mcnuggets.

The rib sandwitches you see in McRibs and frozen dinners are the same, except with beef.

Me, I don't care. Nothing could be more gross than scrapple: www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?threadid=10919

- Ill

[StarryDancer]

Ohh, I don't WANT to know what's in scrapple! I just like it, please spare me the details about the eyelids or toenails or whatever else it's made of...

Philosophically, I'd love to be a vegan. Well, I'd eat eggs and milk products (though I prefer soy anyway). And I'll tell you what -- the day I'd actually have to kill something in order to eat it, I WILL become a vegan! As it is now, I've cut back on the meat protein intake and manage fairly well -- but sometimes I just crave meat.

[Yvonne Belisle]

I am a carnovaur who is trying to eat more veggies. I have been unhappily eating sprouts and veggies for a week now trying to lose a bit of weight. Tomorrow I make a roast and to hell with the veggies!

[manstranger]

Originally posted by Illuminatus
Nuggets come from the rib meat of the chicken... the meat between the bones that's a bit fatty and too small to serve as one piece. They pile it all together, shred it up, add breading, deep fry, and there you have mcnuggets.

The rib sandwitches you see in McRibs and frozen dinners are the same, except with beef.

Me, I don't care. Nothing could be more gross than scrapple: www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?threadid=10919

- Ill

and you say you're from new jersey .. piff.

I love scrapple. Scrapple should be on my Altar.

[Myst]

Hm don't have a problem with it. But then, coming from a farming background with a butcher father will do that to you. I was going to describe a pic or two we have of my dad but it'd give you nightmares I'm sure.

[Semele]

Call me sick and twisted if you must, but I love those commercials. I think they are hilarious. Here it is Carl's Jr...not Hardees anymore. I also like the one where there is a toddler walking around and they say "kids love chicken nuggets, but then kids will eat anything"...at which point she pulls gum off the underside of a table and starts to put it in her mouth....then they say something about their wonderful breasts. Funny stuff!!

Now, does it make me want to go there for dinner...heck no, never even been there. But the commercials do their job, which is to get attention and stick in people's minds!!

[Mithrea]

Oh! I haven't seen that one! And I thought chicken MCnuggets were skin. I've never eaten those. :ack:

[Niamh]

I haven't seen that one, Semele! I think I'd be rolling on the floor for that one!

[Djiril]

There's one now for the Burger King Chicken Whopper. IT's a cartoon, and all of these cartoon chickens come marching over a hill like they're in a marching band... like they're HAPPY about becoming chicken whoppers! Makes me insane!
I also find that one a bit creepy. Every time I see it I think of becoming a vegitarian!

[Phoenix Blue]

Maybe this is why the guy was looking for the nugget:

Chicken Head (http://208.56.92.54/dbimages-gallery6/mcdonalds-chickenhead.jpg)

[Myst]

Yeah there should be a warning with that pic PB.

Don't look at that if you get grossed out easily people.

[Phoenix Blue]

Good point; I made it a link instead of an image.

[Lavender]

:sick: EWWWW!!! I saw that before! Didn't someone find that in with their nuggets or something?

[Yvonne Belisle]

Yup

[Djiril]

And just look what they found at one McDonalds!:D
Happy Meal (http://www.petrats.org.uk/images/joke/McMonty4.jpg)

[Mithrea]

Okay, I am NOT looking at either of those :D !!

[Djiril]

The second one isn't that bad! I swear!

[Mithrea]

Awwwwwwww! It's cute! That took some major trust for me to look too! :shaker:

[Sequoia]

LOL I loved those commercials. I'm sorry. . . I've played with chickens then eaten their eggs. I've taken care of cows, then gone inside and eaten a hamburger. It's kind of sick if you stop to think about it. . . but this seems to be a human habit ;)

Besides. I've raised vegitables with more personality than a chicken, and then eaten them. . . woo am I evil?

That's one thing I never quite understood about vegitarianism - veggies are just as alive as animals, even though they may move less. I've known plants with spirits. And if you take the time to get to know yours. . . they grow better to different music, like different light and water, grow differently, seem to have personailities, and sometimes you can even sense spirits in them. So. . . . just because one has blood and the other has juices and chloraphyll. . . you feel better 'cause it didn't used to run around making noise? lol it's kinda barbaric but just a fact of nature that humans'll eat just about anything - living or dead.

[Djiril]

The trouble is that I see those singing chickens and I remember everything I've heard about the inhumane conditions on large chicken farms. I'm not opposed to the idea of eating meat, but I don't like the thought of it having suffered all it's life before it was killed.

By the way, I read an article a while back on the Jains, who don't even eat any vegetable if they have to kill the plant.

[Mithrea]

Okay then, what do they eat?

[Niamh]

Does someone kill the plant for them?

[Djiril]

Well, the article I read states that they only eat fruit, nuts, or anything else that can be taken without killing the plant, but this article I just read states that that is incorrect.http://www.religioustolerance.org/jainism.htm
Still, it could probably be done.

[Myst]

Hm not sure about that, I'm not sure there's enough carbs, fat, or even protein (unless they consume huge quantities of nuts)... Hm.. will have to look into that.

Also since fruits and other plants often reproduce through the 'fruits' they produce eating only those parts off the plant, even without eating it, would probably cause problems for that plants future.

(Not that I know for sure, I'm just pondering until I can look it up :))

Tho I suppose they can have milk and eggs and honey too then? That'd help.

[Twig]

Sorry but, I LIKE MEAT!! If my steak don't moo, I ain't happy!! (End commercial)

As to the nugget commercials, they are pretty funny right up to the part where the guy pulls the latex glove off his hand Snap! "Nope. No nuggets THERE!"

Now THATS SICK!!! :ack: :ack: :ack:

Peace,
Twig
:elf:

[CoolJ]

:ugh: :sick:

yeah, actually, I myself am losing my taste for meat , i think i'll become a vegetarian...

and yes, when i do eat meat i don't like to be reminded that it was once alive and running about... i don't like the idea that the whole animal had to die for a few seconds of 'good taste' when the same basic things can be brought from plants that the earth provides us... (and chances are you don't nesseccarily kill the plant... like picking apples, if you plant the seeds, it won't make any differnce to the plant :) )

actually, if you don't eat meat, you don't get cholestoral... among other things, so being a vegetarian can be very very good... if u mix ur foods right

[SimplyStrange]

LMAO Twig!! I agree totally with Twig, AND Puma.

I love meat, despite the fact that it comes from something that was alive. But as Puma said, yes, plants are alive too. I'm sure an asparagus stick wouldn't like being eaten either :)

The only thing I don't like about the way we eat animals is that we waste a lot of the animal after we kill it, and that's what I think sucks. But still, try as I may, I don't think I could ever be a veggie. I respect veggies, but I just couldn't do it :)

(BTW, I love the Simpsons quote:D)

[CoolJ]

yes well... animals are so messy!... you gotta chop em to death and they bleed all over... :sick: ... plants ... ye just pluck 'em out of the ground, they don't scream, bleed, or anything!

[SimplyStrange]

Oh, forgot to mention... the commercials are pretty funny to me too. And the one Semele mentioned was funny too :D:D

And yeah, here it's Carl's Jr. that has those commercials. Still, the little kid one is funny. The dancing Burker King chickens are a little creepy. I remember when my friend was over at my house once and we saw that commercial, and her eyes got wide and she blurts out "Why are they happy?!?!?!"

[CoolJ]

:eek: :ahhh: :sick:...

I hear the chicken whopper tastes bad :eek: ... so much effort into that crappy commercial and it tastes even worse....

[Myst]

Yeah just don't eat carrots, turnips, potatoes, beans, peas, wheat, or any other fruit or vegetable that produces most of it's edible portion in its roots, or that you eat the reproductive/seed part of, or that you can't pick the seeds out of and grow new plants from seeds easily, or that won't take decades to be able to mature enough to provide good amounts of food again. For instance, your apple example. How many years do you think it'll take before a seed will develop into a tree that can produce more apples? "The average tree will bear fruit in 3 years, with full production coming in 8-10 years" ( http://www.norfolk-county.com/bigapple/seasons.htm ) Notice that's 3 years or 8-10 from "young trees", not from seed. Not very practical is it, at least when you consider the number of people, and thus the number of trees necessary, and financial ability required to set up enough orchards to support this idea. This also isn't considering soil conditions, weather conditions (late freeze, hail, flooding, etc. etc.), environmental concerns (is the land suitable for growing these trees?).

That's not even considering the pesticides involved and their effect on your body.

Did you know cholesterol is essential to your body? The same goes for fat.

And besides that, "animals are messy when you kill them" - yeah that's why they are put out and butchered by butchers, not by you. And they don't "scream" when they're killed either. You don't "chop them to death". They're killed very humanely. Just because a plant doesn't scream doesn't really mean it's ok to kill it does it?

(I'm not trying to attack you but these are things you need to think about)

[CoolJ]

well, i know that,... like HDL cholestoral you need... you can eat fish... or poultry... i don't want to eat read meat ,...

and well, ok... so what if you kill the plant, ur killing the animal too....

[Myst]

The point is, as Puma said, why is it ok to kill plants and not animals? They're living too. I agree totally with her. People always go "oh don't act like animals are any less important then people" and so on, but then what about plants?

I'm not trying to attack anyone, it's just something I've wondered too. *shrugs*

For me, I don't eat meat because I think I'm more important then a cow. I eat meat because I have canine teeth. I eat meat because all animals eat meat or plants, we all get by and everything from the ant to the lion to a cow eat somehow, and they don't feel guilt about it. *shrugs*

[CoolJ]

you get more energy from eating plants... for one thing, i don't care about those darn things ... ok, if i gotta eat i'll chop something to peices... but, well, animals... as you go up the food chain, web, whatever, there's less and less energy... plants are full of energy ... animals burn up a lot of their energy (metabolism) so you have to eat more meat than plants to get the same amount of energy...

[Myst]

Well for one thing energy isn't the only thing you need. You also need nutrients, proteins, and minerals, along with water.

Another thing, compare say, 100g of sausage.. 1305 kj of energy.

Meanwhile, 100g of baked potato = 456kj of energy

Even 100g of bologna = 1033kj of energy

I think it's cool if people think they can be healthier by eating less meat, or even just vegetables with some sort of allowances made and substitutions for whatever you get in meat, but I really don't know about this "veggies and fruit ONLY" thing, at least on a large scale. I mean it's not my place to judge or anything, I'm just playing devil's advocate and presenting some ideas and info.

Incidentally this site is very cool - http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl . This one is about food and colours and is also neat - http://people.ouc.bc.ca/woodcock/molecule/molfrag/mf008.htm

[Mithrea]

Side Note:

You can get HDL from avocadoes, olives and peanuts too.

[Myst]

Yeah, I'm looking through some info on what you need and what you can get from various sources. Very interesting stuff!

Tho I can't stand olives myself :lol: :)

[Mithrea]

Oh I looooooooooooooove green olives. But I'm strange. I can't stand the black ones! I am allergic to avocadoes so I eat green olives almost every day.

I also just remembered these Chik-fil-A commercials where cows hold up signs that say "Eat Mor Chikin." Okay, I suppose that's cute, but what I don't get is why, if you think cows can write, would you think they are too stupid to spell? :T

And don't tell me I need to lighten up! I NEVER stop thinking so sometimes, weird things creep in there! :bubbles:

[Myst]

lol I never saw that one but I can imagine!

[Djiril]

I've heard that a person can survive on a diet of nothing but beans, and that beans are the only food that has that quality.

[Myst]

Which beans? Any beans?

Somedays I think I could live on brown beans but I don't think that counts heh

[Mithrea]

There was also a big corn farmer in the 30's (I think) who ate nothing but corn for a year just to prove that corn has everything your body needs.

Do you think he turned yellow?

[Myst]

lol maybe

I've heard of people turning orange from eating carrots constantly.

[bansidhe]

i hate to burst ppls bubbles, but apparently veggies do feel pain. i dont have the newspaper cutting, but they did experiments in bonn and found that plants emit a steady kind of bubbling sound, i think, but when they are picked of cut, the bubbling changes to a kind of 'plant scream'.

creepy.

and for the record, im vegetarian, getting towards the vegan side of things, and ive had no issues with it. i respect veggies and non - veggies alike.

and while i havent seen the ads, i usually can see the humour in them, but that doesnt mean i like it!

[Yvonne Belisle]

I eat meat because I like the taste. I love the texture and taste of a well cooked steak or grilled chicken breast. I also like some veggies. I am trying to increase my veggie consumption because I have a very lopsided diet nearly all meat and it doesn't provide all the things I need and I know that.