You can't use magic for EVERYTHING.

[Sequoia]

Just a little public service announcement from your friendly neighbourhood redwood tree:

You can't use magic for everything in life.

Sometimes, just sometimes, we have to do things the mundane way, and that some hardships happen for a reason. Sometimes something is so little, we don't have to really spend all that energy on it at all.

Save up energy for the big things in life!

This has been a PSA from your friendly neighbourhood redwood tree. Now back to our magickeal programming. :heartthro

[Sequoia]

In other words, let's talk about it ;)

Should you use magic for every tiny thing in life? Or are there bigger fish to fry, so to speak?

(My view is pretty obvious, isn't it? :lol: )

[Rudas Starblaze]

i agree 100%!!

if it did, it would take the fun outta brute force!! :smoke:

[Bettie]

_handclapp

Agreed, agreed, AGREED!

I'm in total agreement with Sequoia - save your time and energy for important stuff, not petty crap that you can deal with easily using non-magical means. Often these kinds of problems can be solved using basic common sense, or just simply improved communication. If you're having friendship or relationship issues, your first thought should be TALKING to the person involved, not running off to find a spell to help you. Same thing if you're failing a class, or you're constipated, or your goldfish looks sad, there are OTHER things than you can do before you start worrying about casting spells all over the place.

[Sequoia]

or you're constipated, or your goldfish looks sad,

:falloffch :yayah:

[Philosophia]

You can use magic, but why bother? Personal mandate: Go mundane first. If everything else fails, then try a little energy manipulation.

[RainInanna]

You can't use magic for everything in life.

Why not?

I can understand "you don't need to" and "you must always act in accord - working mundanely even if you do a spell", but why "you can't" ?

[Glory]

You can't use magic for everything in life.

Watch me. ;)

But no, I agree, mundane things are better done the mundane way.

[Fairy_Princess]

Sex is much better when done physically!

[Teresa]

I agree that you Shouldn't Try to Use Magic for everything! There are some things that are meant to be life lessons for us along the way. Take the time to think things through before you decide to cast; "there is more than one way to skin a cat, so to speak." Perhaps it is a time when magic is the best course of action, but if one doesn't bother to seek out other avenues then one will miss some valuable lessons along the way. It is also a personal opinion of mine, that you can use magic too much and when it is really needed that it may not be as effective due to the previous over use. Of Course that is just my personal Opinion! Everyone else is entitled to their own

[Fiamma]

Or are there bigger fish to fry, so to speak?



Why not just use magic for that too? :-P

[Derwin]

you can use magic too much and when it is really needed that it may not be as effective due to the previous over use.What is your reasoning behind this?

[Glory]

In all seriousness... I think you can use magic for whatever you choose. I don't agree with the idea that it will somehow run out or be weaker. But in some cases, the mundane methods would just work for you better.

[Sequoia]

Example:

You could do a spell for your ailing pet's health.

OR

You could take your ailing pet to the vet.

OR

You could do both.

I think that two of these would have better results than one of these.

[cheddarsox]

I'm pretty sure my "take" on magic is different from most folks in this thread. I don't consciously do alot of spells. I think magic is the way the universe works. No matter what we do with energy, somewhere, somehow something mundane has to take place for it to work.

so...if we spell for a job, somewhere a job must open, we must hear about it, etc. etc.

I don't see the two as mutally exclusive. Just because sometimes I don't have to do all the mundane parts, doesn't mean they are not taking place.

I work in a warehouse...a fulfillment center. Thousands of people working to fill thousands of orders. The amount of cooperation it takes to get a piece of product to someone is astounding. Yet we do it in 48 hours. It's magical that someone can get online, request something, and then, in less than two days they have it in their hot little hand.

Magic is the cooperation of the universe.

It happens all the time, in all things. We use it and take advantage of it whether we realize it or not. It consists of lots of things and people cooperating to make something happen. I haven't seen many instances of stuff purely materializing out of ether at someone's request.

Many people draw a thick dark line between mundane and magical, but I don't experience the world that way. So...I use magic and the mundane for everything. Works for me.

cheddar

PS, because the indivisible link between magic/mundane...I try to be conscious of who has to do what, and what the results are of me desiring something. The real worth of a thing isn'tjust monetary, but in what the universe has to do to bring a thing forth. There is nothing that is without consequences.

[RainInanna]

It is also a personal opinion of mine, that you can use magic too much and when it is really needed that it may not be as effective due to the previous over use.

I also am wondering why you feel that way.

I'm wondering if it's just that my view of magic is different. To me the Sacred is within all, so using magic is not really separate from mundane. I pray to the Divine everyday to help me walk in joy, love, and grace, with wisdom, peace, etc. To me that is magic, even if it isn't a big complicated ritual.

[RainInanna]

I'm pretty sure my "take" on magic is different from most folks in this thread.

We were posting at the same time and I like your thorough explanation much better :)

[brymble]

who says "mundane" life is not in itself profoundly magical?

i've given birth twice.

[Semele]

Example:

You could do a spell for your ailing pet's health.

OR

You could take your ailing pet to the vet.

OR

You could do both.

I think that two of these would have better results than one of these.

Well sure, but why not do the spell or whatever form of magic you choose and then actually KNOW it o work before reducing its power by immediately calling the vet. Give your work a chance so to speak?

I have had a doctor tell me on the phone to go pray for a patient because that was all that was eft other than wtching her monitors and awiting the code. I didn't write it as an order but...that magic at its best and it does work as often as mundane.

You can use magic for everything and you should...just perhaps redifine your idea of what all is encompased in the term magic. Sometimes its a conscious positive thought.

[Glory]

who says "mundane" life is not in itself profoundly magical?

i've given birth twice.

That's far from mundane. And congrats.

When I say mundane, I usually mean... picking up a glass. Sure, you could practice and practice to somehow levitate it through pure willpower, belief and magic... or you could use your hand and pick it up. I don't think the former would be an abuse of power, I just think the latter is easier, don't you?

[aranarose]

I think the idea of separating the magic from the mundane in our lives is a terrible, terrible thing. It causes us to lose the wonder and joy of living.

Sure, most things don't need a full-blown spell, but that doesn't mean you can't do everything in a magical way!

[Teresa]

Many people want to learn magic with the misconception that they will no longer have any problems in their lives. Their every wish will be handed to them on a silver platter. This thought about magic belongs to the dream world of television and fiction. We will always have problems, we will always have set backs in our lives. It is through our problems that we can learn. Our setbacks teach us patience. The use of magic does help in a sense that it can shorten the duration of our problems, or completely change the course a person's life will take. Yes, magic can even bring our desires into reality. Usually most of our problems are brought upon our own selves as a result of our own thoughtless and foolish actions.

There will be times when our spells will fail. There can be many reasons for failure. Sometimes it is that the very thing you desire will not be to your benefit. Sometimes it is because during a ritual you do not fully believe within yourself. The doubt during the ritual was a silent prayer for failure.


IMO, thoughts are things. Human thought produces energy, and the energy creates the force which in turn produces the action. Your will is the operator and director which transmits and guides your thoughts toward their destination. Therefore your thoughts, always guided and controlled by your will, become a force that neither time nor distance can deter. All your thoughts, thus, produce mental vibrations which cannot become lost.

You have to practice your ability to concentrate and visualize. You should know how to be able to maintain a fixed thought on a single subject to the exclusion of all other thoughts. This faculty requires training in a calm and isolated atmosphere. Within a few minutes of concentration on a determined subject, you will notice that your thoughts begin to wander.You should also learn to create mental images. The creative thought is that which makes concrete a particular subject which is composed of an exact mental image, with all the relevant characteristics. Through your imagination you should solidly depict in your mind the most exact image possible of the thing that you desire. The vibrations continue emanating from your mind to the ether surrounding you, which makes a magnetic effect that attracts the desired object.

IMO, we draw upon Universal Energy and use the Universal Mind, which will determine the outcome. IMO, we all have a certain amount of the Universal Energy and Universal Mind that we are allowed to access. A second thought is, over use can place stress on one's mind and body and lead to various stress related forms of illness. A third thought is over use of rites tends to decrease their power making the rite more routine and less magic.

I hope this helps explain a little more why I feel the way that I do about this subject. I try to give careful thought to everything I do , there are certain rituals that are daily routines for me.

[moonbride]

_handclapp That was all so very well said, Shalaye!

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Is anyone familiar with Aleister Crowley's story
of the sending of a letter ?

If not , I shall be happy to explain...

[Xentor]

You can use magic for everything. As the ceremonialists will have it: magic should be an all-permeating part of one's life. One should be at least as comfortable with magic as one is with breathing.

[Lunacie]

You certainly CAN use magic for anything. Is it always the best tool to use? Of course not. If your favorite tool was a fork you could try using it for everything but it wouldn't work nearly as well as a hammer would to drive in a nail. And although you could try using a hammer to eat your pecan pie it wouldn't work as well as a fork.

However, you could use a fork to hold the nail in place while you start driving it in with a hammer, possibly saving your fingers from getting hit by the hammer. And the hammer might be useful for cracking the pecan shell to get the nutmeat so you could make the pecan pie.

I agree with the sentiments posted that we do ourselves a disservice by dividing magic and mundane. There is much in our lives that might be considered magic by our ancestors, and there may have been much in their lives that we would consider magic. I think it can be a very good thing when we stop making that distinction and just do what we need to do to accomplish things, using whatever tools will get that done.

As in the example of the pecan pie, many tools are used in getting that pie into your tummy. From the tools to shake the pecans out of the trees, to the machines to scoop them off the ground, to the tools used to open the shells, to the tools used to mix the ingredients, to the tool used to bake the pie, to the tools used to eat the pie. Adding some magic to any of part of the process may make it go smoother and result in a better piece of pie.

[~Elise~]

I've seen some on this site whining about needing a spell for this or a spell for that... when all that is needed is open, honest CALM communication.

Pick up a phone...go talk in person...whatever it takes. Quit reveling in the drama, is all I'm saying.

need a job--yes, you can do a spell--BUT it would be much more effective to fill out the job application. You have to work on the mundane for magic to work.

That said, I'd gotten a formula from SS to make some neighbors that needed to be gone go away. Turns out I didn't need it... they moved away. My thoughts that they gotta go were enough. ('course those were pretty constant) They moved a month ago! (probably would have been quicker if I'd used what I asked for...but still I got it accomplished) And the neighborhood is SOOOOOOO much quieter now. (and no trash blowing in other people's yards now either)

Elise

[HetHert]

I tend not to seperate magic from my mundane life. If I start a thoughtform for directing the energies I need to change a situation or cope with it, magic calls forth this energy from myself as well as programs the universe in and around me to compensate for my needs. In essence I can use magic to program myself and my universe mundane, spiritual, emotional, physical, ethereal...etc etc etc. Mundania is as magical in its gross form as is the fantasy of the ethereal.

I tend to think of magic as a process for living. A way of life, not just a power to harness when the problem is tremendous enough to warrant its use. Its not some shiney to break out of its black velvet bag on special occassions. Hardly! Its in everything and everything is made of it. IMO its that element in every element that brings everything together and is as harnassable as a telephone or a seance.

IMO you can't exhaust magic. Its as large as the universe and found in the tinest of particles.

[CheshireEyes]

Just a little public service announcement from your friendly neighbourhood redwood tree:

You can't use magic for everything in life.

Sometimes, just sometimes, we have to do things the mundane way, and that some hardships happen for a reason. Sometimes something is so little, we don't have to really spend all that energy on it at all.

Save up energy for the big things in life!

This has been a PSA from your friendly neighbourhood redwood tree. Now back to our magickeal programming. :heartthro

ah, words of wisdom from my favorite little woodland nymph, and ones I actually agree with for a change. Normally I disagree with ya on principle, but gotta agree with ya here.:hehehehe:


BTW, anyone know a spell to get this splinter outta my finger it really hurts....:hahugh:

[Sequoia]

I've seen some on this site whining about needing a spell for this or a spell for that... when all that is needed is open, honest CALM communication.

Pick up a phone...go talk in person...whatever it takes. Quit reveling in the drama, is all I'm saying.

need a job--yes, you can do a spell--BUT it would be much more effective to fill out the job application. You have to work on the mundane for magic to work.

That's exactly what I meant, and all that I meant. Sure, if you really want to you can do a spell for every tiny stupid little thing you come across, but why? Lunacie, I can appreciate your story about the pecan pie.


ah, words of wisdom from my favorite little woodland nymph, and ones I actually agree with for a change. Normally I disagree with ya on principle, but gotta agree with ya here.:hehehehe:

Bwahaha, I gotcha!


BTW, anyone know a spell to get this splinter outta my finger it really hurts....:hahugh:

Srsly? Soak it in hot hot water, then find yourself a pair of tweezers... And if you really want to involve magic, try using a bit of energy to coax the wood towards the surface of your skin.

You'll get it out, but either way it's gonna suck. :lol:

[Lunacie]

If my grandchildren get a splinter, or scraped knee, or whatever, I do use a bit of magic to help them stay calm while I tend to the hurt, plus a little bump of magic to help the wound heal quickly and cleanly.

[RainInanna]

That said, I'd gotten a formula from SS to make some neighbors that needed to be gone go away. Turns out I didn't need it... they moved away. My thoughts that they gotta go were enough. ('course those were pretty constant)

I think the best kind of magic is when you're so in sync that your thoughts create the results you want.

[Philosophia]

Many people want to learn magic with the misconception that they will no longer have any problems in their lives. Their every wish will be handed to them on a silver platter. This thought about magic belongs to the dream world of television and fiction. We will always have problems, we will always have set backs in our lives. It is through our problems that we can learn. Our setbacks teach us patience. The use of magic does help in a sense that it can shorten the duration of our problems, or completely change the course a person's life will take. Yes, magic can even bring our desires into reality. Usually most of our problems are brought upon our own selves as a result of our own thoughtless and foolish actions.

There will be times when our spells will fail. There can be many reasons for failure. Sometimes it is that the very thing you desire will not be to your benefit. Sometimes it is because during a ritual you do not fully believe within yourself. The doubt during the ritual was a silent prayer for failure.


IMO, thoughts are things. Human thought produces energy, and the energy creates the force which in turn produces the action. Your will is the operator and director which transmits and guides your thoughts toward their destination. Therefore your thoughts, always guided and controlled by your will, become a force that neither time nor distance can deter. All your thoughts, thus, produce mental vibrations which cannot become lost.

You have to practice your ability to concentrate and visualize. You should know how to be able to maintain a fixed thought on a single subject to the exclusion of all other thoughts. This faculty requires training in a calm and isolated atmosphere. Within a few minutes of concentration on a determined subject, you will notice that your thoughts begin to wander.You should also learn to create mental images. The creative thought is that which makes concrete a particular subject which is composed of an exact mental image, with all the relevant characteristics. Through your imagination you should solidly depict in your mind the most exact image possible of the thing that you desire. The vibrations continue emanating from your mind to the ether surrounding you, which makes a magnetic effect that attracts the desired object.

IMO, we draw upon Universal Energy and use the Universal Mind, which will determine the outcome. IMO, we all have a certain amount of the Universal Energy and Universal Mind that we are allowed to access. A second thought is, over use can place stress on one's mind and body and lead to various stress related forms of illness. A third thought is over use of rites tends to decrease their power making the rite more routine and less magic.

I hope this helps explain a little more why I feel the way that I do about this subject. I try to give careful thought to everything I do , there are certain rituals that are daily routines for me.


I've seen some on this site whining about needing a spell for this or a spell for that... when all that is needed is open, honest CALM communication.

Pick up a phone...go talk in person...whatever it takes. Quit reveling in the drama, is all I'm saying.

need a job--yes, you can do a spell--BUT it would be much more effective to fill out the job application. You have to work on the mundane for magic to work.

That said, I'd gotten a formula from SS to make some neighbors that needed to be gone go away. Turns out I didn't need it... they moved away. My thoughts that they gotta go were enough. ('course those were pretty constant) They moved a month ago! (probably would have been quicker if I'd used what I asked for...but still I got it accomplished) And the neighborhood is SOOOOOOO much quieter now. (and no trash blowing in other people's yards now either)

Elise

_handclapp Well said! I agree with both of these!

[Russ]

From a Heathen standpoint theres no such thing as "the mundane".

On the vet example I remind you that it could be seen as a form of Herbalism and Leechcraft.

Spells to help one get money would well work in the form of a needed raise at work, or a good job offer.

The vast majority of Germanic magic as far as I can tell was purely practical. Aimed at aiding people in there day to day lives.

[~Owl~]

Just a little public service announcement from your friendly neighbourhood redwood tree:

You can't use magic for everything in life.

Sometimes, just sometimes, we have to do things the mundane way, and that some hardships happen for a reason. Sometimes something is so little, we don't have to really spend all that energy on it at all.

Save up energy for the big things in life!

This has been a PSA from your friendly neighbourhood redwood tree. Now back to our magickeal programming. :heartthro

LOL...thanks for the chuckle, tempted as I am to get into a MAJOR Aquarian-like discussion ( no, I'm a bitchy Scorpio with a fatal sting) on this, and how everything is magical, energy, and we create our own reality, I'll shut up now.


_inabox_

[RenDjembe]

I do get annoyed with people asking me for a spell for things.
One woman I use to work with was being botherd by a co-worker ( he was 18 and just had a crush on her) She asked me for a spell to get him to leave her alone. I said well what you do is walk up to him and say NICLEY that him being around you all the time is destracting and making you uncomfortable. She looked at me like I asked her for her first born! LOL

[Forever_Your_Boy]

Ok, I get what you guys are saying... but... I really need to change the channel and the remote control is literally on the other side of the coffee table from me. Does anyone have a spell to either bring the remote to me or, preferably, a spell that will make the tv change the channel on its own?

Any..way...

I agree that magic isn't something that should be used for everything. But from this I can't help but wonder... is it even practical/possible for magic TO help with every little thing in life?

[Lunacie]

Maybe some are looking at this from a skewed perspective? How about being aware of how what we do is/or can be/ magical and how we can use magic to do ordinary things to make them better? I think a lot of kitchen witches already have this idea and use it when simply cooking a meal to make it the best food and most nourishing it can be.

(One of those times when I know what I'm thinking but can't find the words to explain it... gah...)

[Selene Starshadow]

I agree totally.

I use magic for most things....but I promised that I would never use it on, or against my husband.

[Sage Rainsong]

You can't use magic for everything in life.

Sure you can! As long as it doesn't replace mundane action.

[wolfjan1]

Many people want to learn magic with the misconception that they will no longer have any problems in their lives. Their every wish will be handed to them on a silver platter. This thought about magic belongs to the dream world of television and fiction. We will always have problems, we will always have set backs in our lives. It is through our problems that we can learn. Our setbacks teach us patience. The use of magic does help in a sense that it can shorten the duration of our problems, or completely change the course a person's life will take. Yes, magic can even bring our desires into reality. Usually most of our problems are brought upon our own selves as a result of our own thoughtless and foolish actions.

There will be times when our spells will fail. There can be many reasons for failure. Sometimes it is that the very thing you desire will not be to your benefit. Sometimes it is because during a ritual you do not fully believe within yourself. The doubt during the ritual was a silent prayer for failure.


IMO, thoughts are things. Human thought produces energy, and the energy creates the force which in turn produces the action. Your will is the operator and director which transmits and guides your thoughts toward their destination. Therefore your thoughts, always guided and controlled by your will, become a force that neither time nor distance can deter. All your thoughts, thus, produce mental vibrations which cannot become lost.

You have to practice your ability to concentrate and visualize. You should know how to be able to maintain a fixed thought on a single subject to the exclusion of all other thoughts. This faculty requires training in a calm and isolated atmosphere. Within a few minutes of concentration on a determined subject, you will notice that your thoughts begin to wander.You should also learn to create mental images. The creative thought is that which makes concrete a particular subject which is composed of an exact mental image, with all the relevant characteristics. Through your imagination you should solidly depict in your mind the most exact image possible of the thing that you desire. The vibrations continue emanating from your mind to the ether surrounding you, which makes a magnetic effect that attracts the desired object.

IMO, we draw upon Universal Energy and use the Universal Mind, which will determine the outcome. IMO, we all have a certain amount of the Universal Energy and Universal Mind that we are allowed to access. A second thought is, over use can place stress on one's mind and body and lead to various stress related forms of illness. A third thought is over use of rites tends to decrease their power making the rite more routine and less magic.

I hope this helps explain a little more why I feel the way that I do about this subject. I try to give careful thought to everything I do , there are certain rituals that are daily routines for me.
And well worth repeating.
Although there seems to be a small circle forming that sends out energy together. The same persons. And while I knew that I had to solve my own problem, I felt the energy from this group and felt a bit better.
Recognizing the magic in the mundane is helpful. The balance of nature, the strength of the human body and the human psyche when tested. The earth and the sun and the cycles of nature. CERTAINLY not mundane. Getting off your Bum and cleaning your space, mundane, but necessary to complete your balance and continue the cycle.
Blessings,
wj

[imapepper]

I agree that magick shouldn't be used for everything. Some things are meant to be and others you'll definitely survive (paper cuts, someone giving you a dirty look, your grandmas house plant has a plague). I know people who run to magick everytime any little thing they don't want or like happens. Life is about learning, and part of that includes suffering, you can't escape your own humanity. Then again some people think magick is stronger than love or God, and I don't.

[Aidron]

In other words, let's talk about it ;)

Should you use magic for every tiny thing in life? Or are there bigger fish to fry, so to speak?

(My view is pretty obvious, isn't it? :lol: )


Very obvious, and I completely disagree. Should you? That's your call, and the call of the gods and other beings/forces in play, shall we say. Can you? Yes. I do it all the time. I'm a magic junkie. My thought is, why would I want to leave 10 minutes early to avoid rush hour traffic, when I could sleep 10 more minutes and cast a spell to allow me to swiftly reach my destination? I'll go with the latter. I won't say you shouldn't wake up 10 minutes earlier, or that it's the lesser of the two. I prefer magic to the mundane, but then again I'm a magical being and that's only to be expected. Magic for me is not secondary, it is primary.

[BFD_Zayl]

indeed, I rarely use magic to solve problems, only if everything else has failed do I try it.

[Aidron]

indeed, I rarely use magic to solve problems, only if everything else has failed do I try it.

Your post brings an interesting topic to mind.

Do we ever really have problems? I'm the first to admit that I adamantly oppose this sort of thing due to mass-programming and the stripping of individual thought and expression, but my school has a 'culture', as they call it. Problems, for example, are not called such. Instead, they are referred to as challenges. Somewhat corny, and I've struggled the entire time I was there to find another word I can replace with it just to spite them and the entire culture. I have to admit though, it's clever. If you look at it from this perspective, it's less negative, and it entails there is always a solution. The opportunity for growth seems more implied by the word challenge than the word problem, at least to me. So, do we ever really have problems? I'd like to think otherwise. Liking to, and thinking it, however, are two very different things. I believe sometimes all we learn is that we have failed, or lost, and that there really is no deeper meaning, and instead people create them in order to soothe their own pain (which I suppose is better than ongoing suffering, but still...).

[Xander67]

You can use magic, but why bother? Personal mandate: Go mundane first. If everything else fails, then try a little energy manipulation.

There is alot of work we can do on the astral that is neccicary and benificial if we chose to take it up..

Sometimes it is nice to just light a candle and go into alpha and just lay out a few tarot cards...

Randomness...

grounding and centering can be a very magical experience when you add in a candle or two..

[~Owl~]

I agree that you Shouldn't Try to Use Magic for everything! There are some things that are meant to be life lessons for us along the way. Take the time to think things through before you decide to cast; "there is more than one way to skin a cat, so to speak." Perhaps it is a time when magic is the best course of action, but if one doesn't bother to seek out other avenues then one will miss some valuable lessons along the way. It is also a personal opinion of mine, that you can use magic too much and when it is really needed that it may not be as effective due to the previous over use. Of Course that is just my personal Opinion! Everyone else is entitled to their own

I tend to agree with my co-Guide here.

I believe as a magical person, I CAN and DO use magic for anything I choose, but I don't believe it HAS to be used to for everything.

I'm not Samantha, from Bewitched.

If I can't snap my fingers, and the dishes are done, (I've tried), then I guess I'll just have to do it the mortal way.

[Aidron]

I tend to agree with my co-Guide here.

I believe as a magical person, I CAN and DO use magic for anything I choose, but I don't believe it HAS to be used to for everything.

I'm not Samantha, from Bewitched.

If I can't snap my fingers, and the dishes are done, (I've tried), then I guess I'll just have to do it the mortal way.


Just because you cannot snap your fingers or twitch your nose and the dishes clean themselves does not inherently denote that it is no less a magical experience, if you want it to be.

And you'd be doing it the mortal way, magical or not, unless you have some secret to immortality you aren't sharing. ;)

[BFD_Zayl]

Your post brings an interesting topic to mind.

Do we ever really have problems? I'm the first to admit that I adamantly oppose this sort of thing due to mass-programming and the stripping of individual thought and expression, but my school has a 'culture', as they call it. Problems, for example, are not called such. Instead, they are referred to as challenges. Somewhat corny, and I've struggled the entire time I was there to find another word I can replace with it just to spite them and the entire culture. I have to admit though, it's clever. If you look at it from this perspective, it's less negative, and it entails there is always a solution. The opportunity for growth seems more implied by the word challenge than the word problem, at least to me. So, do we ever really have problems? I'd like to think otherwise. Liking to, and thinking it, however, are two very different things. I believe sometimes all we learn is that we have failed, or lost, and that there really is no deeper meaning, and instead people create them in order to soothe their own pain (which I suppose is better than ongoing suffering, but still...).
true, you can think of problems as challenges, I don't however, its just the way i grew up. to me if I fail in something I do not fuss over it and I generally keep it out of mind, turning something over in your head like that and looking for a deeper meaning in your failure is pointless, I just move on and try my best at the next problem/challenge

[Lunacie]

No, I can't wrinkle my nose and "poof" the dishes clean. But I find that time a great chance to meditate, and I've been amazed how much easier the dishes have been to clean since I began incorporating magical awareness into lots of everyday chores. Used to be I'd have to let the dishes soak in hot water for 10 minutes before starting to clean them. Now I just slide them in, give them a scrub all over with my nylon-net and rinse 'em off. Almost like "magic".

I also use the time I'm pushing the lawn mower or the vacumn to do "active meditation". What is "active meditation"? It's turning over our questions to our inner spirit or our higher selves to think about, which is different from what most think of as meditation where you try not to think at all. I've thought through a lot of problems, released emotions, and come to a decision more often and more satisfactorily by doing "active meditation" than by trying to "still my thoughts". And to me that's incorporating "magic" into my daily life.

[Philosophia]

There is alot of work we can do on the astral that is neccicary and benificial if we chose to take it up..

Sometimes it is nice to just light a candle and go into alpha and just lay out a few tarot cards...

Randomness...

grounding and centering can be a very magical experience when you add in a candle or two..

There is a lot of work we can do if we want to (whether its necessary and beneficial is up to the individual involved) but I don't. I go astral everyday but I always do mundane things first.

[Lunacie]

There is a lot of work we can do if we want to (whether its necessary and beneficial is up to the individual involved) but I don't. I go astral everyday but I always do mundane things first.

What's wrong with doing mundane things with a magical twist ~ or with a magical attitude?

[Philosophia]

What's wrong with doing mundane things with a magical twist ~ or with a magical attitude?

Because I like doing things without a "magical twist" or with a "magical attitude". I like doing things simply and quick without no fuss.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Now , this brings up a very interesting point , in my mind's eye...

IF we take the aboriginal ( of whatever culture ) view , that the dream world precedes this one...thus what might be referred to as Alpha State...

A Mgieckal Space , or Plane of existence...

Which is a better approach...Top Down ( Astral Workings ) , or
Bottom up ( Mundane Labor ) to achieve results...?

Would not each of us be more suited to one or the other , as
individual expressions of the multi faceted reality ?

[Xander67]

Because I like doing things without a "magical twist" or with a "magical attitude". I like doing things simply and quick without no fuss.

Once you Learn to Synchronize the astral and mundane.. and you see how what you do in the astral effects the mundane...

Hey, Lighting a candle and a stick of inscence is quick and easy .. the inscence can be used as an offering to the gods..

granted, Brushing your teeth is Mundane, but using a harry potter Toothbrush is a magical experience lol

[Philosophia]

Once you Learn to Synchronize the astral and mundane.. and you see how what you do in the astral effects the mundane...

Hey, Lighting a candle and a stick of inscence is quick and easy .. the inscence can be used as an offering to the gods..

granted, Brushing your teeth is Mundane, but using a harry potter Toothbrush is a magical experience lol

I think I need a harry potter toothbrush. :lol: Anything to make brushing my teeth a magical experience!

I know how to synchronize the two but, right now, I don't want. I haven't gotten over the bad experiences I've had in the astral realm so I tend to stay in one spot. And I love to light a candle and incense, and simply meditate for awhile. Its soothing and helps me calm down.

:hugz:

[Lunacie]

Because I like doing things without a "magical twist" or with a "magical attitude". I like doing things simply and quick without no fuss.

It doesn't take any real effort to add a bit of magic to whatever I'm doing, just took a little practice at first like it does when we learn any new skill. I'm not saying that magic always makes things work better, but it does tend to make me feel better about what I'm doing, and most people don't enjoy doing the mundane everyday things. ;)

[Jackabo]

Honestly I'll use magick for as much or as little as I please, thank you... the consequences are mine. Not that I don't do things mostly by mundane means, I just feel that whether or not I use magick for something other people consider trivial is my business and nobody else's.