What is the point of spirituality?

[MasterMoon]

Spirituality seems to me, to be all about getting that warm fuzzy feeling. I mean, what else can it be about other than a charade to improve the attitude? Life is very simple.........survive.....reproduce.....
Why add to that?
My point in the other threads and my comments about the image follow along the lines of: there is no path to god through the image because we have made the image by way of learning from others. We are taught a language that by its very nature creates the way you think! I cant help but wonder what would happen to a child who was taught a whole new language, with alternate words for things like hate and doubt. I mean the body experiences these emotions because of a chemical release. Naturally. The English language has a word which is a word for the feeling of preparing for "fight or flight". What if the only word for this was "get away". Then every time you felt this you would run. Instead the term fear tends to not have any action associated with it. Its very static. We just sit there and tremble when it is simply "fear". So language tends to shape the way we respond to the natural chemical functions of the body. Back to the image.
We make the image by gathering facts and ideas that make us feel good, What we accept as "truth" is simply a collection of words that create first a picture in our brain, then this picture by way of association causes chemicals to be released into the bloodstream and then comes a pleasant feeling. So we start collecting. This truth that truth....so on and so on. We build the whole personality this way. All based upon what makes this organism feel good. ...you are a functioning organism.
Of the species homo sapien. The purpose of this organism is to .....Live and reproduce!...thats all.

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by MasterMoon
Spirituality seems to me, to be all about getting that warm fuzzy feeling. I mean, what else can it be about other than a charade to improve the attitude? Life is very simple.........survive.....reproduce.....
Why add to that?
My point in the other threads and my comments about the image follow along the lines of: there is no path to god through the image because we have made the image by way of learning from others. We are taught a language that by its very nature creates the way you think! I cant help but wonder what would happen to a child who was taught a whole new language, with alternate words for things like hate and doubt. I mean the body experiences these emotions because of a chemical release. Naturally. The English language has a word which is a word for the feeling of preparing for "fight or flight". What if the only word for this was "get away". Then every time you felt this you would run. Instead the term fear tends to not have any action associated with it. Its very static. We just sit there and tremble when it is simply "fear". So language tends to shape the way we respond to the natural chemical functions of the body. Back to the image.
We make the image by gathering facts and ideas that make us feel good, What we accept as "truth" is simply a collection of words that create first a picture in our brain, then this picture by way of association causes chemicals to be released into the bloodstream and then comes a pleasant feeling. So we start collecting. This truth that truth....so on and so on. We build the whole personality this way. All based upon what makes this organism feel good. ...you are a functioning organism.
Of the species homo sapien. The purpose of this organism is to .....Live and reproduce!...thats all.

Live and reproduce... I don't seem to fall under that category. See your reasoning is based only on the heterosexual population when it comes to this. You see, to many others, there is so much more to life then that basic biological necessity. We are givin brains to think and hearts to feel. When thought and emotion collide a belief system could arise. I believe one of the driving forces of man is curiosity. What is this "Fear" that I feel? Why do I feel it? Why are there so many stars in the sky? Why do we die? What happens afterwards? It is basically all about curiosity, how everything started. Personally, following such a straight forward "Live and reproduce" kind of life would follow a terrible tedium, not only would it make me unhappy, it would make me feel worthless. Is this all I am good for? No, there has to be a reason, something furthur then atoms and logic. Something beyond all of that, beyond Human Comprehension. What is it? That is the basis of faith, the basis of curiosity.

[Myst]

If life is that simple we're all screwed - wasting our time posting here when it obviously doesn't bring survival or reproduction.

[MasterMoon]

But Myst...we could look at it like this: We come here to get rid of things. Thoughts Ideas etc....Not holding on to anything. So simple its hard........

[Myst]

My thoughts don't go away by posting them here.

And getting rid of them doesn't help me survive or reproduce.

[*~*Chary*~*]

i have to agree with myst on this one

[MasterMoon]

Myst, you are right...posting here is a waste of time....goodbye all.

[Myst]

Uhhuh :)

I don't think it's a waste of time, nor do I think spirituality is. And if it is time spent, I don't think it's wasted, as my spirituality bring me guidance and strength at times, and at other time compels me to learn and grow.

Which I suppose is the point of living IMHO.

[MasterMoon]

there can be no "point" to life. Life can only be lived. Any talk of having a "point" is not living life, but rather "talking" it. All this talk of philosophy and spirituality is "talking" it. Not living it.
Living it is just that. Just living. That has no "point" except survival from one moment to the next. Taking one breath at a time and just exsisting. Sure along the way you laugh and cry and experience emotion but these are to be lived through equally.
Your image decieves you into thinking that you are figuring it out. all deception.......

[MistOfTheSea86]

I personally don't think "Life" can be as simple. Because it isn't just about living. It is about experiencing and learning.

[MasterMoon]

I personally don't think "Life" can be as simple. Because it isn't just about living. It is about experiencing and learning.

So you put your hand in a fire and find out its hot.....is that the experience and learning you are speaking of?

Or is it the emotional web that you believe is reality?
All those feelings you have been taught to feel?...
All the speculation on how to deal with these feelings....LOL

I endorse learning and experience about real things not those of unreal fantasy speculation.

[MistOfTheSea86]

A baby learns how to do things in that same manner.

I don't agree with your simple explanation of life. Personally, I find it depressing and unfulfilling. BUt it's your perogative to think it. If you find my specualation into life "unreal fantasy speculation" Go ahead. But that doesn't make me any less of who I am. What fantasy is to one man, is folly to another.

[Myst]

Originally posted by MasterMoon
there can be no "point" to life. Life can only be lived.

Says you. And if there's no point to posting here why do you keep arguing with me :D

[Sequoia]

even if I spent hours upon hours explaining my reasons for "spirituality" to you. . . it prolly wouldn't make sense.

Not because you're simple, or because I'm insane (although it's a distinct possibility). Not because it isn't real, or because it is real. Not because I'd be bullshitting you.

It wouldn't make sense because it's what explains the universe to me. Not what explains it to you.

I personally think that spirituality is a sentient being's way of trying to explain and understand the universe. It's the way we relate to everything. Perhaps it's an attempt to give a reason for all the things that there are. Or mayhap a person's way of saying "I don't, and willn't, ever understand all of this. But this is how I know it's ok to say that, without feeling fear."

I mean. . . there's a lot more to it. But that's my basic feeling.

Not that spirituality hasn't been used as a power thing before. It has, lots! I just. . . think it has it's purpose.

if my only reason for existance is to reproduce. . . damn! Get this society out of my way! I want kids bad enough - if it's my only purpose, I should go and throw away all this culture and drop some babies out in the woods somewhere. I'm serious. If that's really all there is, you sign the papers for me and I'll go live with my beloved somewhere away from civilization and have babies and survive and all.

I think humans are very curious, and very social, beings. We like (most of us) being in groups (at least some of the time). . . . and I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that every single human that ever existed or will exist, has an insatiable curiosity. We, as a species, love to explore and learn. Especially as children. Some of us may "outgrow" it and become disinterested as we get older, but we do wish to understand, we're born longing to learn.

In it's own way, your explination of life - aka, science - is a faith. Sure, science can be proven. . . to those who belive it can. If I wanted to say "hey, You know what? I don't think that those numbers really prove that atoms exist. I can't touch it, I can't smell it, it doesn't make sense to me."

The thing is, everything is relative. Science isn't proven, dearie. Ask any true scientist - do you know what a theory is? like the theory of relativity, the theory of gravity, the theory of physics and all such things - a theory is not a fact. Ask any scientist. A theory is the most rational (to the questioner) answer to the question asked. And they are never "proven". . . no such thing as fact. Look in a book. A theory is widely accepted when it is easily shown, and not easily dismissed. It is not nessicarily the only answer, and it is very rarely such a strong answer as to be considered fact. A theory is the most probable answer - and that's all science is. Probability. Yes, for some things, the probability is so substantial that it is nearly fact. But you can't ever really truely prove something. We may consider many things to be fact - but if you look deeper, you will find that they are simply theory in action, and could, at any time, change. It is merely accepted reality, and accepted truth. Just as I may decide to accept the astral plane, or ghosts, or goddesses, or cats, as reality.

And quite personally - I don't think that all there is to life is to reproduce. Or perhaps there is, but - I choose to give a reason to life. Maybe there isn't. but it's my right to tell myself there is :) I might be making all this up as we speak - but to me, it's reality. . .

and that's what matters.

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Myst


Says you. And if there's no point to posting here why do you keep arguing with me :D

Because you are Myst!:D

[Myst]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
Because you are Myst!:D

I think I'm wearing weird perfume here somedays :p

[Mithrea]

*sniff, sniff*

*shrugs*

I don't smell anything. :eyebrow:

[Myst]

:D

[MasterMoon]

The thing is, everything is relative. Science isn't proven, dearie. Ask any true scientist - do you know what a theory is? like the theory of relativity, the theory of gravity, the theory of physics and all such things - a theory is not a fact. Ask any scientist. A theory is the most rational (to the questioner) answer to the question asked. And they are never "proven". . . no such thing as fact. Look in a book. A theory is widely accepted when it is easily shown, and not easily dismissed. It is not nessicarily the only answer, and it is very rarely such a strong answer as to be considered fact. A theory is the most probable answer - and that's all science is. Probability. Yes, for some things, the probability is so substantial that it is nearly fact. But you can't ever really truely prove something. We may consider many things to be fact - but if you look deeper, you will find that they are simply theory in action, and could, at any time, change. It is merely accepted reality, and accepted truth.
I agree with this...........

Just as I may decide to accept the astral plane, or ghosts, or goddesses, or cats, as reality. this is a bit of a leap in logic
wouldnt you say? your saying that because "A" is true then all I have to do is write "B" next to "A" and it is true as well.

And quite personally - I don't think that all there is to life is to reproduce. I didnt say that I said this:The purpose of this organism is to .....Live and reproduce!...thats all.
I said Live which means to survive......(all of your talent should be used to this end)(Not speculating about what it means and if it all has a meaning)


Not that spirituality hasn't been used as a power thing before. It has, lots! I just. . . think it has it's purpose.
Yes imaginary things have power....look at the world around you. Beliefs have caused more wars and killing than ANYTHING else.
All over imaginary issues of right and wrong.

Spirituality by its very nature is inert. It is action that accomplishes anything. Spirituality is only for the propagation of attitude. Attitude is the way we approach life and the background upon which decisions are made. The reason good attitude is important is that it makes it easier to accomplish our survival tasks and to exsist (live day to day) There is nothing wrong with having joy in life....It is one of the feelings I happen to enjoy most. I just dont make the leap from simple living and feeling joyful or whatever to say "there must be more to life than just this". Or to confuse real things with the imaginary.

[Mithrea]

Okay, I am going to be an oddball and agree with MasterMoon. Although, I'm not sure I can articulate how.

Here is my go at it:

What you have been talking about reminded me of some arguments I have recently had with my stuffy old philosophy class.

While writing a required paper on Cartesian Dualism and the consequences of applying it to human behavior, I was the only one who took the physicalist stance. I think that everything we are and do is caused by our physical brain. The argument I got from my class was, "So you think we are nothing more than a bunch of firing neurons." My answer is both yes and no. Yes I think what we think and feel have their basis in our bioligical, physical nature. The mind is a product of unfathomable complexities yes, but nevertheless they are based on physical complex processes. Our problem as philosophers is that we want to get to that end result. We jump straight from firing neurons to spirituality sort of like fast forwarding to the end of a tape. We skip all of the biological twists and turns that eventually bring us to that end because as scientists we are too lazy and too unimaginative to discover how a physical brain can be complex enough to fool us into thinking there is something else there, ie. a mind, a soul, or spirituality.

It could be said that I am arguing that spirituality is not real. I'm not sure that I am not arguing that. Logically, it seems to me that it isn't. But that doesn't change the way I live my life. I use my spirituality (whatever it is and whereever it comes from) as a tool to get through the horrors of living on this planet and in this society. Without my spirituality, I would not make it.

[MasterMoon]

I find it easier to believe that without food and water you wouldnt make it. Yes you could "lose it" without the anchor of spirituality and commit suicide or find some other end. By your own admission then you use spirituality to stay sane. It must help your attitude then. Which is what I think is it's only purpose. Like pretending to be the lone ranger when you are 5 years old....its fun ! You get to (by imagination) be the lone ranger. How can anything unreal be taken seriously? You can create any feeling you want in yourself, by imagining anything at all. I am the king of the world or I am this or that. thoughts create emotions by way of chemical release. This when accomplished, brings physical manifestation in the body. ex the stomach will get upset if you think about all the bills piling up and you will start to worry and buildup gastric acid in the stomach.

So spirituality (imo) is not absolutely true it is relatively so.
You make it true by the act of thinking it and manifesting it into reality.

[Myst]

Originally posted by MasterMoon
So spirituality (imo) is not absolutely true it is relatively so.
You make it true by the act of thinking it and manifesting it into reality.

That I agree wholeheartedly with.

(and on a sidenote I think I smell like ginger ale and saltines)

[Mithrea]

MasterMoon, that is EXACTLY what I meant by "make it." I mean I would off myself or end up back in the loony bin. Thanks for articulating that for me. I shouldn't have dropped off like that.

And you won't find a more die hard relativist than me.

[Mithrea]

Originally posted by Myst

(and on a sidenote I think I smell like ginger ale and saltines)


:lol::(

[Storm]

Okay, okay. I am guilty of just living life for 29 years now. I have never done anything with what everyone else calls my "Vast potential". I have just lived and let life take me for the ride. Only now do I see what I could have done with myself and now that I am faced with the toughest choice I have ever faced I feel I cannot do it. I feel fear... do I freeze or run away. I feel both of these urges. I have survived and I have reproduced. What now? It is the human condition to search for more. It is a part of us, not just something learned.

What is the point of spirituality? Well if in it I find the strength and courage to do more than just LIVE than that is all the point I need.

If you think there is no point whats the point of pondering it.

[Storm]

Originally posted by Myst


(and on a sidenote I think I smell like ginger ale and saltines)

Morning sickness?

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Myst


That I agree wholeheartedly with.

(and on a sidenote I think I smell like ginger ale and saltines)

I think that comes with becoming a mother:D

[Myst]

Sorry guys I think I'm drawing things off topic again, sometimes I can't help it.

I'm gonna post about that in Fertility, k? :D

[MasterMoon]

What is the point of spirituality? Well if in it I find the strength and courage to do more than just LIVE than that is all the point I need.

That is what I am saying....spirituality is for the enhancement of ATTITUDE. It makes you feel good. But now that I know that, it has lost its power over me. The cat is out of the bag. Any spiritual journey at this point would be pretending.

Btw....what else CAN you do BUT live?? Its all life.....all of your experiences.

Myst....OMG ...you agree with something I wrote...wow....:O)

[Storm]

I could JUST LIVE.. lay in bed, never go out.. GILBERT GRAPES momma. I am depressed. I could fall into that...easily. But I need more to be more, to do more, spirituality is inspiration.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Myst
My thoughts don't go away by posting them here.

And getting rid of them doesn't help me survive or reproduce.

Even worse, I pick up NEW ideas each time I come here.

Doh!

[Myst]

Originally posted by MasterMoon
That is what I am saying....spirituality is for the enhancement of ATTITUDE. It makes you feel good. But now that I know that, it has lost its power over me. The cat is out of the bag. Any spiritual journey at this point would be pretending.

I see. :) For me, it hasn't lost it's power. I guess I spent way too long miserable to turn away a reason to be happy and fulfilled now.



Originally posted by MasterMoon
Btw....what else CAN you do BUT live?? Its all life.....all of your experiences.

Well you can think and talk about living, which is what I guess we're doing here :)

[MasterMoon]

Well you can think and talk about living, which is what I guess we're doing here

Yes..you can....I look at this conversation as getting rid of things that I have to say. This way when I die I wont regret never having said them. :O)

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by MasterMoon
Well you can think and talk about living, which is what I guess we're doing here

Yes..you can....I look at this conversation as getting rid of things that I have to say. This way when I die I wont regret never having said them. :O)

How could you regret though if it won't matter anyway?

[MasterMoon]

I mean that there is nothing left to say. Everything has been said and so there is nothing there. Like at the end of a good conversation there is this comfortable silence. No questions.. No statements...

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by MasterMoon
I mean that there is nothing left to say. Everything has been said and so there is nothing there. Like at the end of a good conversation there is this comfortable silence. No questions.. No statements...

So therefore there would HAVE to be something in order for there to be silence? Because you couldn't comprehend silence unless something existed after life.

[MasterMoon]

I meant at the moment just before death.......during the life review......

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by MasterMoon
I meant at the moment just before death.......during the life review......


Ah...

[widukind]

Spirituality is not really about the "fuzzy feeling", IMO. Spirituality is trying to conceive of the universe as it is not as you interpret it. Letting go of definitions, labels, dogmas. If you get liberated from that kind of interpretation, you live your life differently because of your new insight. The "fuzzy feeling" is a side effect, but not important, as such.

MasterMoon, science is also faith. More statements get disproven and adjusted in science than ever have been in religion and spirituality. Science is even based on assumptions, that have to be tested with reality. And what if our sensory organs deceive us? Then the results of empirical tests could possibly be flawed and you'd never learn the truth.
To each his or her own of course, the meaning of this organism might be to reproduce and to survive, but everyone determines his or her own goal in life. Whether it is to comprehend the whole universe through science, settle down and have kids, or to get that dream job in Hollywood.

[MasterMoon]

Spirituality is trying to conceive of the universe as it is not as you interpret it.

I am not trying to take away anything from you. Rather I am speaking my mind as it exsists now. It is called my opinion.

MasterMoon, science is also faith. More statements get disproven and adjusted in science than ever have been in religion and spirituality. Science is even based on assumptions, that have to be tested with reality.

I agree with you here... I dont believe in science either.

It is impossible to articulate that I have no belief system.. LOL

Because the very act of stating that forms an opinion.

[widukind]

Quoth MasterMoon
I am not trying to take away anything from you. Rather I am speaking my mind as it exsists now. It is called my opinion.

I didn't imply you were trying to. The phrase you quoted was my definition of spirituality.

[Kalosi]

Originally posted by MasterMoon:
Spirituality seems to me, to be all about getting that warm fuzzy feeling. I mean, what else can it be about other than a charade to improve the attitude? Life is very simple.........survive.....reproduce.....
Why add to that?

Hello?! So I, because I cannot reproduce, should not be here? I am spiritual because I HAVE to believe that I have something to contribute to this world. If I didn't have some spirituality, then my existence is for naught. I REFUSE to buy that!

[MasterMoon]

The function of life (imo) is only to survive and reproduce. This doesnt mean that if you havent reproduced you are worthless. There are plenty of other things to do that bring good feelings. Spirituality done in this sense, only to bring about a feeling. That (imo) is its only function. There is no action in "faith" it is a state of mind after all. No action, No reality. Anything that is thought is of the mind and imaginary. Feelings are a result of thought and they are chemical in nature. Real only in the sense that the chemistry of the body changes.

So my synopsis (and opinion) is that any spiritual path is false and only leads you away from your true self and only serves to create some kind of feeling, whether it be joy or fullfillment. Not that theres anything wrong with any of that. But to keep the perspective is important. With this in mind ALL religions are equal. It depends on how you use it. One is not any more or less true than another, since the only purpose is to feel a sense of comfort and hope in ones life.

Truth is relative and we will never know what life is.

All my opinion of course.
With all due respects to others.

[TarotCanada]

Religion is for people who believe in hell and spirituality is for people who have been there.

IMHO

Cheryl

http://www.tarotcanada.ca

[Starwind]

Live breed and die...... yeah.. if your a single celled critter.. but anything above that has more to life and the liveing than just this..

The Wolf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Cooperate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your feelings. Leave your mark

The way of the sprit is one of the main reasons for getting up in the morning and bothering to eat and breath...otherwise whats the point...to go with your philos I should have offed myself the day my last child left home...as my reason for living was over....or the day at 23 when they took all my reprodutive organs out...we are thinking creatures..with hearts and feelings...and sprits... we do not just die and become dust.. and nothing else...there are those who think that and I respect that... but for me.. my faith and walking the way is my life and my reason to go on liveing... there is a reason I am here.. and its got jack to do with my ability to breed...

IMHO
yours
Starwind

[Karma Chameleon]

I dont believe in science either.

You don't believe in knowledge that gained through experience? You don't believe in observation, investigation, inquiry or study of natural phenomena?

[Shanti]

All I know is for me...I cant ignore it and it has a purpose that is for me, whether or not I presently know that purpose.

[Karma Chameleon]

...science is also faith. More statements get disproven and adjusted in science than ever have been in religion and spirituality. Science is even based on assumptions, that have to be tested with reality.

Science (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=science) isn't faith (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=faith), it never was and never will be. To quote Mark Twain, "Faith is believing something that you know ain't so". One of the dictionary definitions of faith is Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. In science you must have logical proof and/or material evidence otherwise your scientific theory is invalid. The reason theories get updated and changed and debunked is because science is dynamic, not static, and it's not dogmatic like some religions are that cling to their beliefs no matter how much evidence there is against them.

[CleftOfLight]

Well this must also mean that society in itself is a waist of time.Since these false things like rules,countries,governments do nothing for survival or reproduction.But why does the universe exist? If there is no great purpose then why exist at all.
Humans no longer survive.We live in a false world invented by humans to make themselves feel superior compared with other animals.
Working a job is a waist of time because it does nothing for survival and reproduction.
Modern life seems pritty pointless when all it is,is survival and reproduction.

[CleftOfLight]

For me spirituality goes beyond thoughts and feelings.

[orgtigger]

Someone's been digging up old threads.
Spirituality isn't just about the warm fuzzy feeling there's more to it than that, it also involves the things that go "Bump" in the night.
And being spiritual greatly enhaces one's chance of survival.
Precog- Being able to sense and avoid an accident BEFORE it happens, how could that be a bad thing from a survival perspective.
Empathy- Developing a bond with another spirit/s and working as a team increases one's chance of survival (We aren't the strongest/fastest/toughest animals, but we form excellent social structures).
I think someones also guilty of comparing the spiritual to the physical.
Spiritual theory is vastly different from physical theory.

[Ninjakitten]

Spirituality seems to me, to be all about getting that warm fuzzy feeling. I mean, what else can it be about other than a charade to improve the attitude? Life is very simple.........survive.....reproduce.....
Why add to that?
My point in the other threads and my comments about the image follow along the lines of: there is no path to god through the image because we have made the image by way of learning from others. We are taught a language that by its very nature creates the way you think! I cant help but wonder what would happen to a child who was taught a whole new language, with alternate words for things like hate and doubt. I mean the body experiences these emotions because of a chemical release. Naturally. The English language has a word which is a word for the feeling of preparing for "fight or flight". What if the only word for this was "get away". Then every time you felt this you would run. Instead the term fear tends to not have any action associated with it. Its very static. We just sit there and tremble when it is simply "fear". So language tends to shape the way we respond to the natural chemical functions of the body. Back to the image.
We make the image by gathering facts and ideas that make us feel good, What we accept as "truth" is simply a collection of words that create first a picture in our brain, then this picture by way of association causes chemicals to be released into the bloodstream and then comes a pleasant feeling. So we start collecting. This truth that truth....so on and so on. We build the whole personality this way. All based upon what makes this organism feel good. ...you are a functioning organism.
Of the species homo sapien. The purpose of this organism is to .....Live and reproduce!...thats all.


Spirituality, like religion and science, is a means for man to both acknowledge and understand something he percieves as being in his world. It is a way of diving into his own psyche and explain what his physical senses can't seem to explain, or what scientific theories can't seem to explain. Our large, highly evolved brains allow us a complex thought about the world around us that, from what we know thusfar scientifically, is much more complex than what most animals can "think up". It may even be that our more complex brains percieve more that is actually natural, but that we haven't found a scientific way of quantifying what we seem to portray as true that might actually be true. That's the reality based scientist argument.

Now my spiritualist argument... we don't have a "chi-meter" yet, so I don't know how I broke that brick in martial arts class. There's got to be some supernatural energy there. My scientist side, and my truth seeking side both say that it is not supernatural. We just aren't evolved enough to properly explain a power we can conciously harness.

[Anyanka]

I personally don't think "Life" can be as simple. Because it isn't just about living. It is about experiencing and learning.

I completely agree. Life isn't simple, living life is experiencing and learning and IMO we're students of life.

Anyway, the point of spirituality for me is that it's something that is based upon a personal journey of discovery and trusting in something that is bigger than myself, no matter what that is. It's a never ending journey and you will never stop aquiring knowledge. That's why life is not only just about "living", it goes way beyond that. I guess spirituality can never really be defined, because it is only through individual experience can one really know their spirituality.

[orgtigger]

I disagree Anyanka,
I'll use this as a platform to promote 'Evolution of he soul'.
The theory is as your spirit moves from incarnation to incarnation it acquires knowledge and becomes more capable and effective.
So the 'older' souls are able to get more done because they have more experience.
Like the theory, hate it? Leave a comment :)

[Veritas]

Why does spirituality need to have a point?
For some its undeniable whether or not it has a point.
Its individualistic....................................

[Ninjakitten]

Because it's interesting to ponder something that is beyond us yet lies within us. We've been given curious minds (like most animals) yet can comprehend levels of thinking beyond our physical senses because of our higher brain functions (physiologically speaking).

[Anyanka]

I disagree Anyanka,
I'll use this as a platform to promote 'Evolution of he soul'.
The theory is as your spirit moves from incarnation to incarnation it acquires knowledge and becomes more capable and effective.
So the 'older' souls are able to get more done because they have more experience.
Like the theory, hate it? Leave a comment :)

Actually that makes sense and I guess I never saw it that way before. It's a good theory and I don't dispute it. Like I said, we all have our own interpretation as to what spirituality is to us. :)

[Aidron]

There is really no need to debate this at length. The answer is simple: Hope. [shrugs]