The words you speak

[MasterMoon]

If I may share my opinion with all of you.

The words you speak change you. Its not that you are a certain way and then you express it, its that the very words you speak and the way they are said make you who you are.

Bible quote "It is not what goes in a wo/man's mouth but what comes out that defiles them.

Wise words.... ponder this ....

The way that it works is this..a spoken word creates pathways in the brain. New words create new pathways and new ways of thinking. Learning a language would create many new thought patterns and ways of thinking.
Ever notice how certain cultures live and think differently than others?
Part of the reason is thier language. Certain languages dont have words for things or have words that encompass a few different feelings or objects. It is for this reason that the culture is this way. Thier attitudes and responses reflect the way they think, the way they think is because of the thoughts that were put thier in the form of spoken language.
You are taught what the word "unique" is. (for example)
What if this word or any synonyms of it didnt exsist ?
How could this thought ever form? It may or may not. There is no way to know. Its too late for us we know already.

In the use of magic then, it is important to guard the purity of words that you use in the ceremony. This is so that they are never associated with anything else when used in the ritual.
What I mean by guarding is to never speak these words outside of the use of ritual. They will retain their power this way, as they are not associted with any other feeling or thought. When you speak it, it will have full power/focus. Nothing to distract it.

[Drisel]

Do you mean certain phrases or words set in a specific order?
What about common words like the, this, I etc.?

[Codehappy Kid]

I would probably either make up a language all my own or else learn something like Sumerian.

[Rick]

Yes, words are Power...

[Earthcup]

http://wordsmith.org/anagram/index.html

This is a cool site for helping with spells and chants. Sometimes nonsense stuff holds the most power, like chants in other languages in a way.... :D

I've been using this for about a week and like it so far for sigils and prayer wheels.

[Mithrea]

MasterMoon, are you familiar with Jacques Derrida and Deconstruction?

[MasterMoon]

MasterMoon, are you familiar with Jacques Derrida and Deconstruction?


First I hear of it......

Do you mean certain phrases or words set in a specific order?

Words have a way of forming associations with us. When you speak a word such as "violin" it forms a picture, or you know what it is. Either way, you comprehend what I am saying or a picture is formed in your frontal lobe (brain). No matter how hard I try, or dont try; "is" doesnt form a picture in my frontal lobe (or any lobe for that matter.. lol ). The point being this: Words and phrases cause a mental pathway to be formed and everything that has to do with that word is associated with it. Its not that cursing is bad, its just that when that word is used it brings back all the times you (for ex. Lost your keys, banged your toe, lost your wallet etc) had a bad experience.
So the word becomes associated with people, places, things, times and events.

To keep a word powerful, never never use it except for its specific purpose....This way you ensure that this word will not have any association with an undesirable (people, places, things, times and events.)

[Flar's Freyja]

:) This is the first thing I learned on my way to this path, from Louise L. Hay's You Can Heal Your Life. Also learned a lot about this from lots of Wayne Dyer's stuff.

Words are even more powerful if you can draw up emotions and feelings along with them. Lynn Grabhorn really takes this a step further in her book Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting.

[Mithrea]

Derrida's writings are about the slippery nature of words and how there is no such thing as absolute meaning because we only know words by what they are not--what he calls differance. Because there is no absolute meaning, there are no foundations of knowledge such as Christianity, or the Scientific Method because the closest we can come to that absolute is by naming it. That word however is not the thing itself, it is one step removed and the foundation has now shifted. The foundation is the word, not the concept and the word is meaningless. I've wondered if you were familiar with Deconstruction many times while reading your posts. I think you might be interested in Derrida's writings.

Derrida is a French philosopher but his theories are mostly applied in Literary Criticism rather than philosophy. Philosophers find him extremely threatening because their theories are steeped in and based on the words they use and there meaning. If meaning is unstable then their theories are unstable and reliable. There is no such thing as Truth. He threatens their very being and they are actually frightened by him. Because of this, they don't teach him and he has therefore lost his place in philosophy. It's a problem I am working on for my PhD.

Here is a good place to start if you (or anyone else) is interested: "Writing and Difference" by Jacques Derrida or "Derrida for Beginners" by Jim Powell for something lighter.

I'm still trying to work out what Deconstruction has to say about words in magic spells. I've had a nasty couple of days so my brain isn't working properly. I'll get back on that. . . :)

[Danustouch]

Words are even more powerful if you can draw up emotions and feelings along with them. Lynn Grabhorn really takes this a step further in her book Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting.

Freya, Mastermoons' and my friend, Scot, reccomended that book to us. It's pretty deep. I am not sure I'd ever be able to apply those theories to my life. I'd have utmost respect for anyone who could. Imagine never saying anything negative about your life whatsoever...

[Wildwood]

As a tangent to Mastermoon's point about keeping certain words and phrases pure what other languages have people used to create a magickal resonance in the circle or when casting a spell ?

Wildwood

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by Danustouch
Words are even more powerful if you can draw up emotions and feelings along with them. Lynn Grabhorn really takes this a step further in her book Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting.

Freya, Mastermoons' and my friend, Scot, reccomended that book to us. It's pretty deep. I am not sure I'd ever be able to apply those theories to my life. I'd have utmost respect for anyone who could. Imagine never saying anything negative about your life whatsoever...

Yes, it is......and it really does take a strong effort to muster up those emotions. I've had a lot of obstacles in my own life these past few months and it's very difficult to turn my feelings around in that direction.

I do find that it goes along with the concept of mustering up emotion when we perform magick. I have found that the rituals I have done in a high state of emotion and desire have resulted in much quicker manifestation than the ones that involve quieter meditation ~ although both practices have worked equally well.

The book is still worth a read. It's consistent with the concept that "attitude is everything."

[Rick]

Originally posted by Wildwood
As a tangent to Mastermoon's point about keeping certain words and phrases pure what other languages have people used to create a magickal resonance in the circle or when casting a spell ?

Wildwood
Icelandic & German...

[Eudaimonia]

My Granny once told me...

"Manage your thoughts, for they become your words.
Manage your words, for they become your actions.
Manage your actions, for they become your life."

[Myst]

Originally posted by Wildwood
As a tangent to Mastermoon's point about keeping certain words and phrases pure what other languages have people used to create a magickal resonance in the circle or when casting a spell ?

There are actually several magical languages created specifically and only for magical use, and then you could even consider alchemical symbols or even runes as a magical language.

[Flar's Freyja]

Oooooh, yes! There are the Galdr chants.......Rick! We need you!
He can explain 'em better than I can.......