Axionic And Astral Bloodlines ?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

There are stories , from different cultures :

For instance , Agassou , from the Voudon tradition , or the Faery
from Ireland , of interbreeding between humans , and Otherworld
entities...some have called them shadow matter...

There are stories of the Gods , interbreeding with humans...

Does this create an astral bloodline...which could be passed down ,
with powers , psychic , physical , magical...?

Could this be the true meaning of the blue blood line , from
whatever culture , worldwide...?

Also...In sex ritual practice...can otherworld beings be contacted ,
and invoked into lover/s , thus creating a child from the fusion
of energies on the astral plane...?

And...if so...would you attempt this...?


Respectful discussion , is hereby opened...:)

[Aoibheal]

I've been in love with the stories of astral bloodline for a long time. It seems to come up so often in so many cultures. My own heritage background being so diverse I often wonder if I might be apart of this.

I come from a pretty dominantly Irish family on my mother's side. There are several other cultures mixed in (apparently we got around back in the day ;) ), but the stories from my older relatives and my own interaction with the fae has gotten me to wonder about my own blood being different then some of my family.

Maybe the bloodline is carried only to certain people of the family? Maybe the spirit of the person must accept the gifts given before they are born? I am not sure how it all works, I just know that my ties to the fae and my ancestors is a lot stronger then any of my other kin. My father's side of the family is mostly Germanic. I am not sure of the ties that might give me since I do not speak with them anymore and the only one that would be able to lend me assistance has been gone for quite a long time.

I think I am rambling though, I can't seem to get my thoughts clear at the moment. The subject has always been on my mind though because of how active the fae have always been in my life.

As to sex rites involving the inhabitants of the otherworld, I would want to make sure it was alright with my partner and the being we would be invoking first. If it was okay by all parties involved then yes I may be inclined to do it.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

That is an interesting point , Aoibheal...


That the possible connection , or powers , would only be held
by certain of the offspring...


Should we also posit possible activation , later in life , of latent powers , and connection , due to initiations , or awakenings...?


What about geomantic placement , ie : if a person was concieved at a specific geographic place on earth , could
their remaining there , distance from , or return to that
place , affect their system...?


It would be the grounding point for the mgieckal event...


What about astrological considerations , considering the original event , and later re - alignments...?


Could that cause an awakening...?

Could this also then...be a possible way to create a Witch - Child...?


And yes...regarding mgieckal acts , involving sex , and Otherworld beings...Mutual consent...


And...Watch who you call...when you call...:hahugh:

[Aoibheal]

I believe that certain places do resonate differently within a person. The geomantic may even be related to the astrological. As a water sign I feel more grounded and powerful in my being when I live near water. Away from water I get horrible signs of depression and almost become a completely different person. I was born near Lake Erie, after living away from it for so long, when I returned I almost burst into tears just seeing the lake. It was like a wave crashed into me. My visit to the ocean is when I do believe something deep in me woke up. I wonder though if a person would have an even deeper transformation when they visited the place of their astral parent.

Calling upon forces of the other realms is definitely not something anyone should do without doing the proper research first. The fae sometimes like to jump in even when not asked though, my first Reiki experience was pretty amusing because of them.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Another interesting point...now we have astrological elemental
considerations , combined with geomantic placement , in a
connection to latent or activated powers , that may , or may not be
the result of interdimensional shadow matter / Otherworld entity
with human intercourse...

Regarding the conscious invokation to produce offspring along
these lines , are the writings of Kenneth Grant , known to you ,
or any one else ?

His works on the Qlippotic beings , which I am aware of by a
different terminology , espouse a possible interdimensional union...

Could we also posit , due to an interdimensional union , at a specific
geomantic location , a temporal doorway would be created...?

If so , for how long...?

Is this how certain places have an eerie feeling ?

Could interdimensional intercourse infuse a geomantic location , with
harmonic , or disharmonic energy...?

What about when two people , who create a disharmonic , or harmonic ,
together , concieve...?

By their act , could they unknowingly , be invoking , or calling in , Gods ,
or Axionic entities...?

Ah...questions , questions...:hahugh:

[Aoibheal]

That author is unknown to me. As to an interdimensional union, I could see it happening. Maybe the offspring wants to rise higher then human status can allow and there is a way they can rejoin their astral parent in the otherworld?
I think certain places have an eerie feeling for many reasons, but this could definitely be one of them.
As per the infusion I would think that the energy of the being they are invoking would result in energy infusion of the location.
The conception I believe would definately need extra care as the child is going to have many questions and experience things much differently then other children.

Yes questions! Questions are wonderful, especially the ones where the answers only bring up more questions.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Kenneth Grant , who was associated with the O.T.O. , and
Crowley , is a very contraversial character , working with
the reverse side of the Tree of Life , or Mirror Universe...

His publishing company name " reflects" this ( pun intended )...

" Skoob Publishing" ...

He also works with the Yezidi Tradition...Shaitanic Current magic...


Now...as for a child which could have been the result of an astral
union of forces...even a physical descendant of a child concieved in
the original action...

Would they feel..." royal" or " superior" ...

Or...would they feel out of place , different , unable to flow , or interact
in the everyday mundane world...?

As for the act of invoking forces at a geomantic location...

What about lovemaking , and invoking , at a known vortex ,
or power spot...?

What about inside a mgieck circle...?
Is not that a doorway between...?

And yes...the children produced...would want , and need answers...

Yet...they might seem wise beyond their years...

[Brigid Rowan]

Something to think on:

"Of interest to the genealogist (among others) is the fact that all of an individual’s mitochondria are derived from his/her mother.Although the sperm cell tail is packed with mitochondria to power its long journey to the egg cell, the tail and mitochondria drop off of the sperm at fertilization and never enter the egg cell. Consequently, all of the mitochondria in the fertilized egg come from an individual’s mother." [A recent publication by Marianne Schwartz and John Vissing from the University Hospital Rigshospitalet in Copenhagen reports an instance of a man whose muscle cell mitochondrial DNA matched that of his father rather than his mother. This, however, is quite rare. (New England Journal of Medicine, vol 347, pp 576-580)]

So our cleanest link from generation to generation in matrilineal, mother to daughter to grandaughter, and such on. How would, do you think, this play into a blue bloodline, or ancestral link? Would a mitochondrial linking system not make sense? It is relatively unperverted, generation to generation, and a clean, seemless way to trace a line. Just pondering..

Also, as to conception occuring over a certain place of power..this would be hard, as conception can occur hours to days after intercourse.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Very Good , Brigid...

Thank you for responding...Let me approach your last point first...
Conception...On this level...are we not discussing " Astral Conception"...?

Does not energy movement , have a " lag time" effect , between astral ,
and physical dimensions ? Could we not therefore posit a astral imprint
which would imbed itself within the physical ?

For instance...not entirely on , or off topic...sometimes children were
planned by astrological times...in this case it would never work , unless
we were speaking of an astral imprint...

As for your point about the mitochondria...

I bow before your wisdom...Yes...this is one of the " secrets"
of my tradition...not only is the mitochondria the basic power
source for the human body , and it's functions , it is the key ,
to ancestral memory , on the astral , and physical levels , as
well , holds keys to evolutionary / devolutionary programs...

Not all of which , is yet known to modern science...

Thank you for that post...

[David19]

This is quite an interesting thread. I can't add much, but I've heard of Kenneth Grant, and I would like to get some of his works (and some of his fiction too).

One of the things I've heard about him is that he has some interesting theories regarding the Necronomicon (from what I hear, he says Lovecraft tapped into an astral echoe of real events on another plane and that there is a real Necronomicon available on a higher plane), so while Lovecraft wrote "fiction", he may have tapped into something real, if that makes any sense).

Personally, I find that quite a cool concept and would like to learn more.

BTW, sorry, if I've gone way off topic with the Necronomicon talk.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

...lol...

No problem David...just a little...but actually...the tradition
I work with...the language...is the key to that tome...I believe
it is in the books forum...but I recently posted on the Necronomicon
thread...you might want to check it out...Grant is right...about that...

[Brigid Rowan]

This is a fascinating discussion, thank you for starting it.

"Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent common ancestor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_recent_common_ancestor) (MRCA) of all humans via the mitochondrial DNA pathway. In other words, she is the MRCA found when ancestry of all living humans is traced back in time, following only the maternal lineage. The mitochondrial DNA pathway is equivalent to maternal lineage, because Mitochondrial DNA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA) is only passed down from mother to child, never father to child.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve#_note-River_Out_of_Eden)
To find the Mitochondrial Eve of all humans living today, one can start by listing all individuals alive today. For every individual (males and females), trace a line from the individual to his/her mother. Then continue those lines from each of those mothers to their mothers, and so on, effectively tracing a family tree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree) backward in time based purely on mitochondrial lineages. Going back through time these mitochondrial lineages will converge when two or more women have the same mother. The further back in time one goes, the fewer mitochondrial ancestors of living humans there will be, until only one is left. This is the most recent common matrilineal ancestor of all humans alive today, i.e. Mitochondrial Eve.
It is possible to draw the same matrilineal tree forward in time by starting with all contemporary human females of Mitochondrial Eve. Some of these women may have died childless. Others left only male children. For the rest who became mothers with at least one daughter, one can trace a line forward in time connecting them to their daughters. As the forward lineages progress in time, more and more lineage lines become extinct, because the last female in the line dies childless or left no female children. Eventually, only one single lineage remains, which includes all mothers, and in the next generation, all people, and hence all people alive today." ~wikipedia (not my favorite scientific source, but in this case, concise.

Viewed within the parameters of ancestral magick and memory, it is truely amazing.


As for mitochondria, the power-producing ATP makers in our bodies, without which we would die?...Well, where this becomes more extrodinary is when one explores Endosymbiotic theory..

"The endosymbiotic theory concerns the origins of mitochondria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrion) and plastids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastids) (e.g. chloroplasts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroplast)), which are organelles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organelle) of eukaryotic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eukaryote) cells. According to this theory, these organelles originated as separate prokaryotic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prokaryote) organisms which were taken inside the cell as endosymbionts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endosymbiont). Mitochondria developed from proteobacteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteobacteria) (in particular, Rickettsiales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickettsiales) or close relatives) and chloroplasts from cyanobacteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria)."

So the mitochondria we all depend on? They have their OWN dna. They are not even human in origin, according to this theory, which is amazing. They are not human. We are not sure what they are from...maybe bacteria, but we cant really tell.They have lost much of their dna, and cannot live outside of us, and we can not live without them.


That to me, is simply mind blowing. Something bearing its own dna, passed from mother to mother, unchanged..not human in its origin..and it is the key to life. To me, it is a true Gift and Mystery of the Gods.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

A true pleasure to know you , Brigid...

Great post...and yes...this is old wisdom...and that is the physical
manifestation , that also has it's Astral , and Subtle Body implications...

Codings...by the way...look at mitochondria...looks like a tablet...

Cut it halfway in depth , in the middle...now slice lengthwise thru
the other half...you will get a shape which looks like a baby's cradle ,
with a half cover...and inside...what looks like serpents...

Remember the story of the patriarchal hero...Hercules...?

Strangling the serpents in the cradle ?

Codings , codings , codings...interesting...?

[Brigid Rowan]

I recall having to construct that "cradle shape" and mitochondrial "insides" in school many years ago. So I have a perfect visual of your image.

"Hera hates Hercules so much that she sends two enormous snakes to strangle Hercules and Iphicles in their cradle. Eight months old Hercules shows his strength and lack of fear by seizing the snakes, one in each hand and, killing them with a simple squeeze."

What do you say to the concept of the flower of life and mitochondrial connections via the liquid crystal (many crystals "code" themselves (we dont know how they space themselves accordingly) in shapes not unlike the Flower of Life) make-up of the mitochondrial structures? Its a theory that is sort of unheard of..but Im curious as to your ideas.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I can only make this brief...I will be back later...errands...but...
if you have seen the work with the Japanese scientist on water...

With the hexagonal shape of the crystalline forms...then put
that together , with the six spoke star found within the flower of life
design...

Then understood...the Runic Ay-Yer shape , meaning two worlds ,
is a six spoke shape...meaning two worlds...and the Obri language
equivalent , is a circle...put the six spoke shape , within the circle...

Now...put together 19 of them...got your answer Brigid...?

Now for your real mind blower...

The number value for the three Obri letters...

Ch - V - H : pronounced Chavvah : equalling " Eve" = 8 + 6 + 5 = 19

and 19 = to manifest , to show forth...

Whereas 49 = Nativity = It will be 19...

I hope that gives you your answer for now...

Please...You are welcome to post what you feel shall help others
to understand...remember...the physical , is a manifestation of subtle
planes of existence...

Thank you again...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Actually...One quick post...

Aleph , Mem , Shin...The Obri Mother letters...

Their Runic equivalents , by shape...form an ancient figure...
when fit together...that of the squatting mother...or by another
name ..." The Birthing Goddess"

Number value = 341

English word : " Algorythm" ...put into Runic...Equals 341...

An old Hermetic saying..." First I am one , then two , then four , then eight...
then I am one again..."

An algorythm...Mitotic Cell division...?

[skilly-nilly]

Something to think on:

all of an individual’s mitochondria are derived from his/her mother (New England Journal of Medicine, vol 347, pp 576-580)

How would, do you think, this play into a blue bloodline, or ancestral link? Would a mitochondrial linking system not make sense?


If there was a "blue bloodline" then I think that it would have different DNA and mDNA than the rest of us.


I bow before your wisdom...Yes...this is one of the " secrets"of my tradition...not only is the mitochondria the basic power source for the human body , and it's functions , it is the key ,to ancestral memory , on the astral , and physical levels

mDNA is different from ours, that's (imo) the amazing thing about it. So if mitochondria have an "ancestral memory" it's not OUR ancestral memory at all, its THEIRS. We get it from our mother, yes, and they from theirs but mitochondria are completely distinct from us. They just live in our cells and always have--there's no reason to believe that they remember anything about our ancestors.



"The further back in time one goes, the fewer mitochondrial ancestors of living humans there will be, until only one is left. This is the most recent common matrilineal ancestor of all humans alive today, i.e. Mitochondrial Eve." ~wikipedia (not my favorite scientific source, but in this case, concise.

That to me, is simply mind blowing. Something bearing its own dna, passed from mother to mother, unchanged..not human in its origin..and it is the key to life. To me, it is a true Gift and Mystery of the Gods.


I completely agree with this feeling. I'm a biologist, and I have always found mitochondria to be absolutely astonishing. And loveable---I honour and praise mitochondria, whom we have only met so recently and without whom we would never have begun.

My feeling is that life itself is astonishing; the Blue Pearl is so complex and ticks over so elegantly. I don't feel that we need to bring F***ies and OtherKin into our presumed bloodlines to be special and remarkable; I think that there's enough miraculous in our completely human minds and in our abilities to communicate with Spirit to make us all special.

I think if we had interbred with not-human beings we would be like ligers and tions and mules and hinneys, so the bloodline would be very short.





English word : " Algorythm" ...put into Runic...Equals 341...

What if you used the other English word "algorithm"?

http://www.nist.gov/dads/HTML/algorithm.html

[MonSno_LeeDra]

I find this interesting but at the same time I have difficulty from a scientific perspective to admit.

If I recall correctly at the time or shortly after the last caldera eruption of Yellowstone nearly 90 percant of mankind was wiped out. From a DNA chart I belive they said thier are 6 lines in existances that came out of the situation. From radiocarbondating and such thier are fragmetns that support earlier DNA strings but they failed with the eruption event.

Jump forward to the Blackdeath and another series of DNA fragmnets survived while a majority died out. It appears in that instance it was actually a mutant string that may have made thier carries immune or less affected / effected by the plague.

So logically I can believe a mutation frequency to the string but have a hard time bying into the other kin facet.

From a mythological facet the Imperal Japanesse house is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that claims direct lineage to the gods, in this instance the sun god. The older house of egypt and China had some claim to a direct lineage to god like ancestors but I am unaware of that though concept continuing today.

With regard to most legends and stories of the Fae I have never heard of a person crossing into their land and coming back into this one unscathed. Most stories speak of Knights returning as phantoms of thier self or ghostly relics that shimmer and fade out quickly.

Granted thier is some mythology toi the concept of Slekies and orther merfolk having child with human males / females but the stories seldom speak of what happened to them. I supposed the Arthurian legends and Morgan Le fey could be used as proof of human / fae cross overs but then her off spring are killed off to.

It is plausable to me that an external or other worldy source may have taken early man under thier collective arm and raised them and taught them beyond thier current level of understanding. Too many civilizatins speak of "Spacemen" for it to be chance yet I don;t know if that unto itself is truthfull enough to say they cross breed and some of our current population holds thier gene pool.

If it is true then the only group I can think of that is totally unique in DNA sequence is the Basque of Northern Spain / Southern France for thier language and gene pool is different than everyone else.

Being a smaller population it is far more coneviable to me that they may be "Otherkin" than to think the general population is running around with Elf blood or Dwarf Blood in them.

Now if we are talking birthed as in inspiration and guidance then that's a whole differnet set of rules in my opinion.

[Brigid Rowan]

Jump forward to the Blackdeath and another series of DNA fragmnets survived while a majority died out. It appears in that instance it was actually a mutant string that may have made thier carries immune or less affected / effected by the plague.



Ooooh...CCR5!!!!
"..mutated CCR5 gene, delta 32, may have prevented the plague from being able to enter its host's white blood cells.."

This was a really awesome thing to learn about, I recall watching avidly this program on Secrets of the Dead sometime back (a few years ago, I think)..it was totally engrossing. I dug up a ton of info, and really enjoyed the learning.

:idea: Sorry, back on topic...just you mentioned a pet subject of mine. :)


mDNA is different from ours, that's (imo) the amazing thing about it. So if mitochondria have an "ancestral memory" it's not OUR ancestral memory at all, its THEIRS. We get it from our mother, yes, and they from theirs but mitochondria are completely distinct from us. They just live in our cells and always have--there's no reason to believe that they remember anything about our ancestors.


Interesting point. My question...how did the cells survive before the mitochondria, what was the energy source? I get the model suggesting HOW the mitohondria was taken in to the cell, but..it is kinda what came first..the chicken (cell) or the egg (mitochondria)? Its been a LONG time since biology, so I beg someone to help me out here. Thanks!!8O

[Cerulean_damselfly]

MonSno Ledra says...

From a mythological facet the Imperal Japanesse house is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that claims direct lineage to the gods, in this instance the sun god.

...sorry gentle soul...it's a sun goddess..

Ancient name of Japan and particularly the province of western Honshu where Japanese civilization began and where the early capitals were located; also the clan from which all emperors of Japan are descended, claiming the sun-goddess as ancestor. The Yamato period is often taken as AD 539–710 (followed by the Nara period).

http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Yamato+(Japan)

...talk about a divine DNA through the matrilineal line...8O

More on the legend below:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/shinto/texts/stories_5.shtml

..a gentle smile, because this might be really on-topic...or a funny little segueway...exit, stage left,-------->:hehehehe:

[Shawn Blackwolf]

If one begins at the beginning of this thread...it shall be noted I have spoken of astral bloodlines...as per the title
of the thread...


The tradition I am of , and a number of different magickal traditons practice the way of creating a magickal child...
and this is not meant to be public knowledge , therefore no historical verification is , or will be avaliable...that is today...are any of you capable of saying this tradition , was not practiced in the past...?


For instance , on page 231 , of Voudon Quantum Leap , Reginald Crosley , M.D. states:


" In the alternate reality of the Vodouist , copulation or
sexual intercourse between loa and adept is a current
event . However , we do not hear about their offspring
living among Haitians today."


As I stated previously , astral bloodlines may convey powers to offspring , through lineage...


And it is an opinion , and belief , that it would have to be shown , as a physical manifestation , of different Dna ,
or mDna...


Until it can be positively identified by science where mDna came from....

And science makes many assumptions , and has to correct itself down the line...to the embarrassment of the scientists

I would leave the door open to my stating mDna , is a part of what my tradition , calls our " Starry Wisdom" ...


Our ancestral memory from the stars , both physical , and astral...


As for Gods , Faery , and Shadow Matter beings , and the interbreeding producing hybrids , not distinguishable
from other humans , with abilities superceding mundane humans...others shall have their opinions , whether
schooled in sciences , or not...and that is their opinions and beliefs...


Nothing more , nothing less...Our tradition also , has certain beliefs , and opinions...just as valid...So shall it be ...
So it is...:)

[~Elise~]

blue blood=eating off silver dishes, utensils, etc. Ingesting too much silver=bluish and/or gray tinge to skin that will not go away.


Royalty, worldwide, have been called "Blue Bloods," because of the silver content in their blood, even from birth. They used real silverware, ate from silver dishes, and stored their food in silver containers.

From here: http://www.all-natural.com/silver-1.html

[~Elise~]

Sex with deity/other world beings... yum is all I can say. Never got pregnant from it. Loved having it back in the day. (not since in committed relationship-They are respectful of that)

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Yes , Elise...I am aware of the opinion , one opinion , of why
Blue Bloods , were called what they were , and are...And
respectfully , there are other opinions...

For instance...There are stories of Blue Gods , and not just Krsna...

Even Blue Star Kachina of the Hopi...

[skilly-nilly]

Interesting point. My question...how did the cells survive before the mitochondria, what was the energy source?

The idea is that long ago when there were just prokaryotes, some bits got stuck inside other cells and developed a symbiotic relationship; the mitochondria becoming organelles and the cells (with a better power source) being able to form complex structures.

So the one couldn't happen without the other, hand in hand.



Until it can be positively identified by science where mDna came from....And science makes many assumptions , and has to correct itself down the line...to the embarrassment of the scientists
I would leave the door open to my stating mDna , is a part of what my tradition , calls our " Starry Wisdom" ...
Our ancestral memory from the stars , both physical , and astral...



I don't understand exactly what you are saying here--mitochondrial DNA (mDNA) comes from the mitochondria---they replicate it themselves. They live inside our cells but are not a part of us and never were---I don't see how they could hold our ancestral memory.

I think we have ancestral memory, I just don't think mitochondria have any part of it in themselves.

I also think we can invite OtherWorldly Beings inside ourselves, I just don't think we can get replicatable DNA from them; so I don't think we give other-worldliness to our children nor do I think we get it from our ancestors. We can get aptitudes from our ancestors, but I believe that we have to contact other-worldly-beings ourselves.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I understand you may not be able to understand what I mean ,
Skilly - Nilly...no offense meant...actually...great thread I have
been reading about is clarity possible in new threads right now...

We speak in different perceptions...both valid in their own way...

Mitochondria is a self referring system...as is the ancient language ,
you are aware I have spoken of...

Astral...please hear that word...Astral imprints in the Mitochondrial Dna ,
pass down information , and powers , through certain bloodlines...


Perhaps not in yours , Elises's , or others tradition's here...Respectfully said
in certain traditions...It is a given...


:)

[MonSno_LeeDra]

I’m wondering if I'm not misreading this thread.

Shawn Blackwolf, are you implying a true life form created from the joining of two energy sources (ie human and other) or is it more of a symbiotic relationship?

If symbiotic then I can understand and see the possibility of a higher mental capability influencing or inspiring the host. I realize its sound dumb but it's sort of like Star Trek where the human host had the symbiotic inside yet was able to hear and converse with the symboant.

I can also understand and some what relate to the idea of a construct that remains on the astral / ethereal yet the mind is aligned to the construct giving the person the capability to connect and learn from the construct.

I find this construct idea to be similar to the Akashic records Edgar Cayce spoke of.

AM I on the right track for what you’re referring to here or still out in left field?

[skilly-nilly]

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_recent_common_ancestor"]"Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent common ancestor of all humans via the mitochondrial DNA pathway. In other words, she is the MRCA found when ancestry of all living humans is traced back in time, following only the maternal lineage. The mitochondrial DNA pathway is equivalent to maternal lineage, because [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA"] is only passed down from mother to child, never father to child.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve#_note-River_Out_of_Eden"]

So the mitochondria we all depend on? They have their OWN dna. They are not even human in origin, according to this theory, which is amazing. They are not human. We are not sure what they are from...maybe bacteria, but we cant really tell.They have lost much of their dna, and cannot live outside of us, and we can not live without them.





I understand you may not be able to understand what I mean , Skilly - Nilly...no offense meant...We speak in different perceptions...both valid in their own way...

Mitochondria is a self referring system...as is the ancient language ,you are aware I have spoken of...Astral...please hear that word...Astral imprints in the Mitochondrial Dna ,pass down information , and powers , through certain bloodlines...


While it's true that I don't fully comprehend your tradition (your allusive and sometimes patronizing hints are less than complete) but what I'm referring to when I say "I don't understand exactly what you are saying here" is not about your tradition but about what you seem to be saying. What you seem to be saying is factually inconsistant, completely distinct from what your tradition may be or may not be.

See, Brigid Rowan did a lovely job of extracting---mDNA isn't distinct, it's common. That is, while there are variations through mutation, mDNA isn't recombinant. What that means is that (as Brigid Rowan's post nicely shows) all of humanity has a common maternal ancestor.

So what I don't understand is what you could possibly mean when you say " Mitochondrial Dna ,pass down information , and powers , through certain bloodlines". Mitochondrial DNA doesn't have "certain bloodlines", we all have variations of the First Mother's mDNA.

So none of us is more mitochondrially speshul than anyone else, not even sponges.

There are definitely people who have skills and powers that are not common, but I cannot believe that we get those attributes from our mitochondria.

I can also agree that it's amazing and astonishing that mitochondria became encapsulated in the first place, long long ago. It's certainly possible that Astral powers had something to do (or many things to do) with the inception of life on the planet. But again, it doesn't make any human more speshul than any other human; it makes all of humanity unlikely and surprizing.



Perhaps you're confused by George Lucas' fictional creation 'midichlorians' which DO make some bloodlines special. Albeit fictionally:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midi-chlorians

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I’m wondering if I'm not misreading this thread.

Shawn Blackwolf, are you implying a true life form created from the joining of two energy sources (ie human and other) or is it more of a symbiotic relationship?

If symbiotic then I can understand and see the possibility of a higher mental capability influencing or inspiring the host. I realize its sound dumb but it's sort of like Star Trek where the human host had the symbiotic inside yet was able to hear and converse with the symboant.

I can also understand and some what relate to the idea of a construct that remains on the astral / ethereal yet the mind is aligned to the construct giving the person the capability to connect and learn from the construct.

I find this construct idea to be similar to the Akashic records Edgar Cayce spoke of.

AM I on the right track for what you’re referring to here or still out in left field?


MonnSno_LeeDra...

I have found it interesting since you joined the site...

Though we may have differing opinions on certain things...
we speak somewhat of the same language...in terms of at
least thought lines...Thank you for being here...

In answer to your question...I ask one...where did what is
called Mitochondrial Dna come from...?

Apparently , science can not tell you...

So , could we not , in reference to your question , have an
answer of both...a life form created by two different life
forms coming together...now interdependent on each other...?


As well , Mitochondrial Dna , being an interface for information ,
ancestral memory...?

And , what if there are degrees or levels to the functioning of
the Mitochondrial Dna...?

Ways of turning it on...which can not be sensed with the limited
instruments of Science , at this time...?

( By the way...my ex's step - mother has mitochondrial disease...
a very rare condition I am told , which shuts down her body functions
almost to nil...her energy levels are varying...right now , and for the
past 6 months , she has been barely hanging in there...so I know a little
about Mitochandrial Dna relation to the body...not the terminology...)


What if certain traditions have used retual , to activate , both the back
of the brain , and the Mitochondrial Dna , to access latent memory ,
and powers...?

What if once that was done in the Motherline...in the woman...that
could be passed down...awakened , yet latent...a halfway point...?

Do we not have those within certain Witch / Wietch families with
abilities that " run in the family" ...?

I also bring to your mind...the stories of those who came down...and
mated with those of earth...

And I am not saying spacemen...not , not , not...just so everyone hears
that...could we not be talking about an actual merging of lifeforms ?

Mitochondrial Dna...and Dna...?

What if one of those lifeforms , holds access to memory of life in the stars...
Earth is a place for life...where else...?

What if besides that physical ancestral memory...

It could access the records of the universe...as you say...Akashic Records...?

And as Mitochondrial Dna...is replicated by Mitochondria...

It is a self - referring system...

Which deals with the Language Code I have spoken of on this site...
A self referring system...an information feedback loop...as Stan Tenen ,
a mathematician , found when researching sacred texts...encodings of
self - refering systems , designed to awaken , and orient consciousness ,
to certain processes...resulting in further awakening...feedback loops...

A three dimensional figure eight...an infinite loop , marrying inner and
outer...( Stan Tenen - Meru Foundation )...

As I say...marry all polarities...inner and outer , subtle and physical ,
rational and intuitive , analog and digital , alternating and direct current ,
and we attain the beginning of the breakthrough to the next level of
evolutionary process astrally encoded into Mitochondrial Dna...

( The dual triangle figure eight symbol , in our Language Code...
means all those things...and many , many more...)


Thank you for your respectful questions...and no , you were not that
far out there...lol...:hahugh:

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Ok I think I got the picture now. I'll forewarn a lot of what I'm going to say I can't back up with fact or references anymore as it's been a while since I went down this line.

The concept of visitors does seem plausible on many levels. For instance the Dogma people tell of their existence on the now dead star. If one assumes that a means of transportation existed between that star and Earth then it must be plausible that others had the same capability.

I know one theory basis the rise and evolution of man as the end result of an external stimulus. Some reference was given to support this by ancient artifacts that indicate the return of teachers. I think it’s the Inca tower of Iron that refers to the return date for one group.

What maybe the problem with this thread is it’s based upon the assumption that the key is carried in the MDNA. Yet what if its not?

Logically, it group A and group B interbreed then their would be either

A: Sterile offspring unable to give birth
B: Mutated gene pool that may have charasterics of both yet be different enough to recognize as a new sub-genre. Eventually evolving as they change to survive global climatic type changes.
C: Mutated gene pool that may survive for limited periods but die out for lack of ability to adapt to their changing environment.
D: Spontaneous development within sub sets of the group.

Yet charasterics of both group A and group B would be contained within the evolving gene pool. At times throw back qualities from either grouping would surface in the descendents of the original gene pool.

Yet if the descendents of Group C (Combined A & B) where to be joined with persons carrying the original cell structure from A or B the possibility of a new sub grouping is possible, especially depending upon the dominate gene strain.

Now if group A for argument had a specific trait that enabled it to evolve the brain so that all members of the group posses telepathic abilities then the descendents of groups A (prime) and selected member s of group C would have those traits and pass them on yet would it be contained in the DNA or in a different genetic code or segment?

If we take two members of group C that have dominate traits from group A then would their offspring not have a greater capacity to develop those traits that were received from group A vice the lesser traits of group B?

From an urban legend type perspective we always hear of the Seventh SON of a Seventh SON and special abilities they possess. Is it a trait feature or just a set cyclic anomaly that will reproduce a certain combination every so many generations?

Logically on a grand scale it should be an anomaly that will recreate itself every so many revolutions. Yet if person A and person B are from the anomaly group then does it infact change the probability law for repeat creation?

From an evolution perspective their are still many parts of the human body that truly have no required function by today’s needs. Yet those parts do exist, so is it not possible this indefinable element within the DNA is simply something that is no longer needed on the grand scale but is carried on at the micro level? Yet even though no longer needed it may contribute to an action if the correct stimulus is applied?

Now if a group or subset were to discover the stimulus that caused the activation then it should be possible if not provable that they could activate or influence that condition to have it recreated. That creation could infact is a given skill set or aptitude for said skill set.

Yet it does not mean the rest of the offspring of the original group could not develop it. Yet they might appear to be lacking if the knowledge of affecting / affecting the trigger were to be lost.

Then I believe subset F (those who know how to trigger) would seem foreign or no longer part of group C. Those in subset G (Forgot the trigger method) would still have random instances of the ability being trigger for they posses they ability of a semi-dormant cycle.

Though for human reasons I can see that the group composing subset G destroying or trying to destroy those members of subset F for they would appear different from them. Each instance of subset F's traits appearing in subset G would be construed as bad or evil or what ever term was applied by the collective whole.

Ultimately one subset would appear to be the dominate group while the other became more of an anomaly than part of the original group known as C. The anomalous subset F would be outside the norm and be viewed as abnormality vice a derivative of the original combination of Group A and Group B.

Yet the original traits of each group would be passed to its descendents. Not only would the traits be passed but the triggers for them would dbe instilled in the descendents.

My question would be at what intensity would the external triggers have to be for each element within the descendents to experience the telepathic trait that was handed down.

I've used telepathic trait as the item passed but realistically any trait could be the one passed or combination of traits.

[skilly-nilly]

I know one theory basis the rise and evolution of man as the end result of an external stimulus. Some reference was given to support this by ancient artifacts that indicate the return of teachers. I think it’s the Inca tower of Iron that refers to the return date for one group.

I'm with this theory even without artifact just because the **flash!! soup!!** theory is so unlikely.



What maybe the problem with this thread is it’s based upon the assumption that the key is carried in the MDNA. Yet what if its not?

Yes, please.
There are so many limiting factors in mDNA--the smallness, the ancientness, the unchanging non-recombinant qualities, the lack of redundancy and 'trash'/unused codons. On the other hand, the brain has lots of space and unused/poorly understood bits.....how about using a brain model rather than an mDNA model?



Yet it does not mean the rest of the offspring of the original group could not develop it. Yet they might appear to be lacking if the knowledge of affecting / affecting the trigger were to be lost.

That is a beautiful and elegant hypothesis, there! :crown:

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Ok I think I got the picture now. I'll forewarn a lot of what I'm going to say I can't back up with fact or references anymore as it's been a while since I went down this line.

The concept of visitors does seem plausible on many levels. For instance the Dogma people tell of their existence on the now dead star. If one assumes that a means of transportation existed between that star and Earth then it must be plausible that others had the same capability.

I know one theory basis the rise and evolution of man as the end result of an external stimulus. Some reference was given to support this by ancient artifacts that indicate the return of teachers. I think it’s the Inca tower of Iron that refers to the return date for one group.

What maybe the problem with this thread is it’s based upon the assumption that the key is carried in the MDNA. Yet what if its not?

Logically, it group A and group B interbreed then their would be either

A: Sterile offspring unable to give birth
B: Mutated gene pool that may have charasterics of both yet be different enough to recognize as a new sub-genre. Eventually evolving as they change to survive global climatic type changes.
C: Mutated gene pool that may survive for limited periods but die out for lack of ability to adapt to their changing environment.
D: Spontaneous development within sub sets of the group.

Yet charasterics of both group A and group B would be contained within the evolving gene pool. At times throw back qualities from either grouping would surface in the descendents of the original gene pool.

Yet if the descendents of Group C (Combined A & B) where to be joined with persons carrying the original cell structure from A or B the possibility of a new sub grouping is possible, especially depending upon the dominate gene strain.

Now if group A for argument had a specific trait that enabled it to evolve the brain so that all members of the group posses telepathic abilities then the descendents of groups A (prime) and selected member s of group C would have those traits and pass them on yet would it be contained in the DNA or in a different genetic code or segment?

If we take two members of group C that have dominate traits from group A then would their offspring not have a greater capacity to develop those traits that were received from group A vice the lesser traits of group B?

From an urban legend type perspective we always hear of the Seventh SON of a Seventh SON and special abilities they possess. Is it a trait feature or just a set cyclic anomaly that will reproduce a certain combination every so many generations?

Logically on a grand scale it should be an anomaly that will recreate itself every so many revolutions. Yet if person A and person B are from the anomaly group then does it infact change the probability law for repeat creation?

From an evolution perspective their are still many parts of the human body that truly have no required function by today’s needs. Yet those parts do exist, so is it not possible this indefinable element within the DNA is simply something that is no longer needed on the grand scale but is carried on at the micro level? Yet even though no longer needed it may contribute to an action if the correct stimulus is applied?

Now if a group or subset were to discover the stimulus that caused the activation then it should be possible if not provable that they could activate or influence that condition to have it recreated. That creation could infact is a given skill set or aptitude for said skill set.

Yet it does not mean the rest of the offspring of the original group could not develop it. Yet they might appear to be lacking if the knowledge of affecting / affecting the trigger were to be lost.

Then I believe subset F (those who know how to trigger) would seem foreign or no longer part of group C. Those in subset G (Forgot the trigger method) would still have random instances of the ability being trigger for they posses they ability of a semi-dormant cycle.

Though for human reasons I can see that the group composing subset G destroying or trying to destroy those members of subset F for they would appear different from them. Each instance of subset F's traits appearing in subset G would be construed as bad or evil or what ever term was applied by the collective whole.

Ultimately one subset would appear to be the dominate group while the other became more of an anomaly than part of the original group known as C. The anomalous subset F would be outside the norm and be viewed as abnormality vice a derivative of the original combination of Group A and Group B.

Yet the original traits of each group would be passed to its descendents. Not only would the traits be passed but the triggers for them would dbe instilled in the descendents.

My question would be at what intensity would the external triggers have to be for each element within the descendents to experience the telepathic trait that was handed down.

I've used telepathic trait as the item passed but realistically any trait could be the one passed or combination of traits.


MonSno_LeeDra :

First...I must ask...PLEASE...use black , or a bright color...black prefered...

When I go to quote you...even changing my screen contrast...it is nearly
impossible to see your letters...maybe my screen...but otherwise I can no
longer answer you...fonts...I will deal with...many do not like mine...
I just can not see your words...that is different...Thank you , in advance...

So...To answer your questions...

1. Firstly...and I am hoping you , and others can hear this this time , as I am
truly trying here...as are you , and others...matters of perception...

A : We are speaking of two things here

1. A physical merging of Mitochondrial Dna and Dna , with certain programs
though latent in most humans...are ready in place for activation , by certain
methodologies to affect the trigger ...so to say...the so called junk Dna...being
the keys to the powers and abilities , latent , once the trigger has been activated ;

Ie : Push a trigger...a series of processes are set in motion , resulting in a cascade effect , in the system...

2. Now , I assume you mean Dogon , not Dogma , people...( no problem )
I am well aware of them , yes...The star Sirius figures in many traditions...
especially Freemasonry...let alone cultures...yes...that is a possibility...

There are other star traditions , and people , associated with different cultures...

I had a Seminole Elder say my people came through a different wormhole ,
than his...though we both drew the two symbols in our language , pronounced
" Payuurt Eel" ...which today is known as portal...the two symbols mean...
among many layers of meaning..." Vibrational Bridge" ...a portal ?

So...could Mitochondrial Dna have come from the star people...?
Within the realms of quantum possibility...yes...possibly...

But...could there have been other ways of the cross breed...of course...
We shall see what bears fruit through time regarding this...


B. We are further speaking of a secondary process...a linkage between
primal brain...cerebellum , pons , medulla oblongata...programs , not
understood by science , presently , linked to the Mitochondrial Dna...

We all have lesser or greater degrees of ability to access fields of energy...
alternate realities...which is a perspective in itself...and to interface with
the Otherworld...from whatever tradition...and some , have capabilities of
acessing parallel universes , and different timelines...

I am further positing here , that when Mitochondrial Dna is activated ,
these abilities are brought into full bloom , including the abilities to
access and interface , on higher and deeper levels , with Astral , and
Otherworld beings...non - physical and non local consciousness , as
an energy composite...and there can be an interbreeding possible ,
on levels not able to be measured in the physical world...yet having
a filter down effect , into the physical...

And , this occurs through the interface of Mitochondrial Dna...a medium
for the expression...

Are you familiar with the term shadow matter ?

That is how Otherworld beings can manifest here...their medium...

Whether Gods , Loa , Faery...to my tradition , shadow matter...

Of course...some will disagree with that...does not matter...

We know , what we know...


Okay , time for the second part...

2. Your groupings are interesting...as well , your hypotheses...

However...unless I missed it , after five times of reading it...
you missed Group E ...? ( no problem )

And yes , the determination to erase those who had knowledge
of triggering awakening processes is still going on today...
sometimes publically , sometimes secretly...What I will say to that...

Some of UrdDur Eelluminnati want you to know...

Some of Order Illuminati do not want you to know...

ONLY ONE NAME...For Those Groups...there are many names , in
the GAME...being played...a very old Game...

Overall , I can appreciate your groupings , though a bit confusing...
you tried very hard , I thank you...again , just different ways of
saying it...

I hope this helps...and please...see the two things , being brought into
play here...please refer back to my first two , or three posts , with
questions posed...in this thread...There are MANY levels at play here...

Including Geomantic Forces...Stellar Currents...etc.

I hope this also helped more than you...Blessings...:hahugh:

[~Elise~]

Yes , Elise...I am aware of the opinion , one opinion , of why
Blue Bloods , were called what they were , and are...And
respectfully , there are other opinions...

For instance...There are stories of Blue Gods , and not just Krsna...

Even Blue Star Kachina of the Hopi...

Kinda condesending here, aren't we? Nowhere did I imply that that was the only opinion.

I'm more than familiar with the variations of the Blue Gods (there is one in Feri). But since mDNA is passed through females--makes it kinda hard for the male Blue Gods to pass on mDNA though, don'tcha think? :hahugh:

Elise

[MonSno_LeeDra]

I think we may be on the same wavelength yet attributing the process to
different catalyst. Let me explain.

I associate the source of dimensional variables and time streams to a higher brain function. I somewhat loosely associate the human brain as having a localized function within the body that basically overseas the day to day base level functions.

Above that I recognize an upper level functions matrix that is used for the creation of idea's and thoughts. Provide a bit of analysis of concepts and formulate what if type scenarios. A place where things are more than just animalist responses and move us closer to the intellectual creature.

Up to this point the process has been totally within the confines of the body.

Yet I also think we possess a connection to the super mind or universal mind. That place where things are recorded and stored for later analysis or greater though and idea formulation. In this place we achieve the concept of déjà vu for we can experience both the experience and emotion of the previous parties that have accessed and imprinted upon the records. Sort of like the global library in that we can reach it but it requires a great deal of preparation and control to reach that level.

I believe it is at this point that the merging of abilities versus concepts takes place. It’s sort of like a road system in that the exit is always their and certain parts are aware of it but a coordination of events and catalyst is required before we actually see it. A basic mapping of the human mind set at a level that removes it from most until they are ready and aware of it.

Sort of like the concept of Kundalini rising. As the serpent grows it moves upward and outward from the body and touches upon the global or universal energy and though process. It raises our awareness of alternate possibilities and outcomes. As the mind expands outward the concept of time / dimensions and ability changes.

Time is no longer linear but nonlinear. The past, present and future all occupy the same point and are equally assessable. Up, down, forward and backward become non-defined for we are removed from the physical restraints and constraints of a time and dimensional barrier.

I think it is a primordial created trigger and ladder but I believe the whole layout and implementation is controlled from a point undefined within the scope of the brain.

This upper level function giving us the ability to step into another time stream, dimension or reality. It gives us the ability and creativity to create pseudo bodies or energy formation and control. With enough practice and concentration I believe the projection can be in any dimension or time line.

Literally reality no longer is driven by material constraints but mental agility and imagination of possibilities.


Sorry about not defining group E. I somewhat left it black as the opened failure of various lines of selections that failed. They would be present to the extent that they were experiments in evolution yet never make it to a point where they actually contribute to the base capabilities of the offspring of Group C.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Kinda condesending here, aren't we? Nowhere did I imply that that was the only opinion.

I'm more than familiar with the variations of the Blue Gods (there is one in Feri). But since mDNA is passed through females--makes it kinda hard for the male Blue Gods to pass on mDNA though, don'tcha think? :hahugh:

Elise

Sorry if you took that as condescending , Elise...

That was not the intention...But it was most definitely my intention...
To make it clear that was not the reason they were called Blue Bloods...

And absolutely...it would be impossible for men to pass the Women's
Mitochondrial Dna down...

The reason they were called Blue Gods , was they were initiated into
the Women's 29 Rune system , and the exchange of fluids through
the sexual mysteries...

When you have one , just one of many , arrangements of the 29 Rune
system , there is a dual column of eight...

The top two Runes have a value of 78 , bottom two 81...

78 = Blue
81 = Gods

That is why we called it the Blue Blood Line...among others...

Women's Wisdom...Initiating the men...making them Gods...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Thank you for the color change , MonSno_LeeDra...

Though , because this will be a quick answer to you ,
I do not need to quote you , this time...

Okay...I agree mostly...with your statements about brain levels ,
and functions...Though , my tradition , seperates it into seven brains ,
three levels...another time...

Where we disagree here...is our tradition , is THE WEYYRDING WEY...

Which deals with embodiment , as the main principle...

Most Religions , which are Male Deity based , divorce themselves from
the body ...not all , but most...transcendence occurring outside the body...

Not the Ancient Women's Tradition...it was a wholistic system , centered
and dedicated to transcendence through the body , and through sexuality
and sensuality...achieving hyperdimensional states , through bodily ecstacy...

And being initiated through sexual fluids...Hope that helps...

[Promethea]

Could this be the true meaning of the blue blood line , from whatever culture, worldwide...?


with rage, said to me: "But how shall I answer thee, for thou art a son of man; whereas I was born an angel's seed by a daughter of man, so that no word of our heavenly kind addressed to the earth-born can be overweening24. Wherefore also my star is bright in heaven, and men call it, some the Wain25, and some the dragon's child. I keep near unto this star. So ask me not many things; for thy kingdom also after a little time is to be disrupted, and thy glory is but for a season. And short will be thy tyranny over us; and then we shall again have free range over mankind, so as that they shall revere us as if we were gods, not knowing, men that they are, the names of the angels set over us."

It would appear that the ideal of breeding between higher beings and humans would lead to the production of demons, not any form of "royal line" for anyone.

quote taken from Esoteric Archives (http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/testamen.htm)

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Promethea :

Not necessarily...for a number of reasons...

There are always going to be those interbreedings , which
would go , what would be considered askew...astral , or
physical...but...that is askew from a humancentric position...

As well...there is particular chosen and directed astral interbreeding ,
counterpoint to random...which is more likely to create mutations
less desired...

Axionic entities are varied...the tales of Faery Women...or Women
of Earth mating with the Gods...do not always result in negative offspring...

Let alone...I personally know someone...who was created...on this plane of
existence...through the calling in of a shadow matter being into the man...

before intercourse with the mother...let us say...she is darkly , stunningly
beautiful...with certain abilities...not somebody anybody would want to piss
off...

So...I do not necessarily agree...It always results in negative offspring...

Sometimes random roll of the Dice...

Sometimes...controlled Experiment...

[~Owl~]

Also...In sex ritual practice...can otherworld beings be contacted ,
and invoked into lover/s , thus creating a child from the fusion
of energies on the astral plane...?

And...if so...would you attempt this...?


Respectful discussion , is hereby opened...:)

I feel this is possible, especially in the Gardnerian/Alexandrian tradions of Wicca, as well as any tradion that practices Ritual Sex Magick.

In the Great Rite, the HPS invokes the Goddess, by "Drawing Down The Moon", and having the Goddess "possess" her, in a sense. The HP does the same with the Horned God. They then ..."co-mingle", through intercourse, mostly in private, and if a child is conceived, I would consider that child to be especially gifted.

Just my 2 pence.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Thank you , Owl...

What do you think of the connection to place...regarding astral conception...

Do you think a child , concieved during that act , might have a special
connection to , or find a source of power , or initiation , at that location...?

[~Owl~]

I wouldn't take exception to that location, no....as I don't believe the "gods" live in the Astral, but are all around us, through us, part of us.

I think the child conveived in such a manner, may be especially gifted to Travel, as well as have a connection that others must strive harder for.

But only if the child is nurtured correctly, so that it doesn't lie dormant.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Thank you again , Owl...

What I was going for there , was not limited to the connection with the
Gods , specifically...I do understand , and agree with the post...

My point here , would be similar to someone using a sword or rod...
to plunge into the Earth as a grounding rod , for the mgieckal current...

Especially if the Great Rite...or Axionic intercourse...was consumated on
the ground in a specific location...and grounded...

For instance...I was present at a pagan festival , and fire rite , where after
the main retual...those who remained , engaged in private consumations
around the perimeter of the fire...half in light , half shadow...whenever I
visit that location , there is a definite surge of power , I can access...

Even in winter...the ground seemed warm to me , in that spot...although ,
all around , it was cold...

Now , that was without full invokation , and tapping into the telluric current...

Anyone have any thoughts on this...?

Can you create a place of power...by invoking an entity , or deity ,
then grounding the current by consumation...?

Would it be better on a stone altar...?

Or on the Earth...?

Or , could you open an astral wormhole...?

And , if you could...would you...?

[~Owl~]

Hmmmm....

Those are fascinating questions, as well as good subject material for conversation. At least with those here who have been on a Path that they can fully comprehend the lines between the lines in this thread.

Alas, it also seems to require more complex answers, to which I'm not quite up to today, as I've got a lot of "multi-tasking" to do.

But you DO bring up some rather interesting points, Shawn. Food for thought...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

:lol:....................lol.....................:lol:

[MonSno_LeeDra]

You know as I read this thread I have a great image of the corrupted content of the Succubus and Incubus. Both are male and female manifestations of energy sources that take sexual created or inspired fluids and use them to impregnant another.

ie the Succubus takes the male sperm then visists a female as a Incubus to impregnate her with the altered sperm.

Now the midevil church created the Incubus / Succubus concept to explain certain situations yet what if they were only creating a cover story?


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Ancient and religious descriptions

One of the earliest mention of a incubus comes from Mesopotamia on the Sumerians king's list, ca. 2400, where the hero Gilgamesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh)'s father is listed as Lilu (Lila).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-3) It is said that Lilu disturbs and seduces women in their sleep, while Lilitu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilitu), a female demon, appears to men in their erotic dreams.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-4) Two other corresponding demons appear as well, Ardat lili, who visits men by night and begets ghostly children from them, and Irdu lili, who is known as a male counterpart to Ardat lili and visits women by night and begets from them. These demons were originally storm demons, but they eventually became regarded as night demons due to mistaken etymology.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-5)

Incubi and succubi were said by some not to be different genders but the same demons able to change their sex.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-6) A succubus would be able to sleep with a man and collect his sperm, and then transform into an incubus and use that seed on women. Their offspring were thought to be supernatural in many cases, even if the actual genetic material originally came from humans.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-AZ)

Though many tales claim that the incubus is bisexual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual),[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-wima) others indicate that it is strictly heterosexual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexual) and finds attacking a male victim either unpleasant or detrimental.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-7) There are also numerous stories involving the attempted exorcism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism) of incubi or succubi who have taken refuge in, respectively, the bodies of men or women.

Incubi were sometimes said to be able to conceive children. The half-human offspring of such a union is a Cambion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambion). The most famous legend of such a case includes that of Merlin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlin_%28wizard%29), the famous wizard from Arthurian legend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthurian_legend).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-Masello)

According to the Malleus Maleficarum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum), exorcism is one of the five ways to overcome the attacks of Incubi, the others being Sacramental (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament) Confession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confession), the Sign of the Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_Cross) (or recital of the Angelic Salutation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_Mary)), moving the afflicted to another location, and by excommunication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication) of the attacking entity, "which is perhaps the same as exorcism." [12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-8) On the other hand, the Franciscan friar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciscan) Ludovico Sinistari stated that incubi "do not obey exorcists, have no dread of exorcisms, show no reverence for holy things, at the approach of which they are not in the least overawed."[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-Masello)



Regional variations

There are a number of variations on the incubus theme around the world. In Zanzibar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanzibar), Popo Bawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popo_Bawa) primarily attacks men and generally behind closed doors.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-9) El Trauco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Trauco), according to the traditional mythology of the Chiloé Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilo%C3%A9_Province) of Chile, is a hideous deformed dwarf who lulls nubile young women and seduces them. El Trauco is said to be responsible for unwanted pregnancies, especially in unmarried women.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-10) In Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary), a Liderc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liderc) can be a Satanic lover that flies at night and appears as a fiery light (an ignis fatuus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_o%27_the_wisp) or will o' the wisp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_o%27_the_wisp)) or, in its more benign form as a featherless chicken.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-11)

In Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil) and the rain forests of the Amazon Basin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Basin), the Boto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boto) is a combination of siren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren) and incubus, a very charming and beautiful man who seduces young women and takes them into the river.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-12) It is said to be responsible for disappearances and unwanted pregnancies,[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-13) and it can never be seen by daylight, because it metamorphoses into kind of river dolphin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin) during those hours. According to legend the boto always wears a hat to disguise the breathing hole at the top of its head.[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon)#_note-14)



Now is this not another example of trans-demensional beings? Could it not also explain some of the primordal forces at work.


Just more food for though.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Shawn Blackwolf Wrote:




Even in winter...the ground seemed warm to me , in that spot...although ,
all around , it was cold...

Now , that was without full invokation , and tapping into the telluric current...

Anyone have any thoughts on this...?



You know this sounds a lot like what I call Memory of Place. Its a concept based upon the assumption / belief that the physical presence of a living body can create an echo at any given time. Increase the energy level the thing is experienceing and the greater the echo for duraiton and intensity.

If perfomring the great rite then the energy levels would definatley be high and the residule energy from a highly focus ritual / ceremony and it would be posisble in my opinion to create a deep level memory.

I know this concept holds true for the creation of ghostly echo's and tramatic echos. Yet realilisty it shold also be favaroable for the creation of echo's based upon sexual energy and release.

I personaly think its one of the reasons so many women imprint thier emotional state upon rings and other jewerly during thier first sexual union. Not to say men don't but for me I've picked it up from women far more frequent than form male worn items.




Can you create a place of power...by invoking an entity , or deity ,
then grounding the current by consumation...?

Would it be better on a stone altar...?

Or on the Earth...?



I think any point where a significant amount of energy is expelled and focused in that expulsion a vortex can be created. The only variable I believe would be the size and intensity of the vortex. I additionally htink the direciton of the vortex could be semi directed based upon the facing direction of the energy release. ie a release into the ground as a grounding would create a subductin type vortex which spirals into the earth. I find these are identifed especialaly when one goes into a subterrian cavern or opening.

Inversely, an upward and outward release would create a rising vortex. Same sceme in operation.

Where these get interesting in my opinion is when the energy focus is tight or scattered, If scattered I htink one can work in the vortex and re-ignite the enrgy sequence used to create it. It tight then I think it work expell the occupent form the vortex.

It focused upon an alter or smaller item I think it could also create a relic type creation. Move the relic and the vortex would move with it. Placed upon the earth then I see a stationary vortex. SO I would think your end goal or purpose would be the defining factor in which method or spot to use.

Add that a controlled vortex can also be used to create a focused dimensional door then the possibilites become infinate. The possibilities could easily contain , time portals, dimensional portals, dimensional bends, literly anything the mind could think of.

Of course if you create these vortex's would you want ot just leave them running open or close them down? Would you pass word protect them? What would you do?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

MonSno_LeeDra...these posts are very good overall...

Well Done...I am going to leave them overnight , for others
to consider , ponder , and perhaps answer...

I shall address them in the morning...thank you...

[David19]

I'm finding this thread kind of interesting, I know that it deals a lot with other dimensions, planes and realities, so are there any good books on this (or related topics) that you'd recommend?.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

[quote=MonSno_LeeDra;3206563]



You know this sounds a lot like what I call Memory of Place. Its a concept based upon the assumption / belief that the physical presence of a living body can create an echo at any given time. Increase the energy level the thing is experienceing and the greater the echo for duraiton and intensity.

If perfomring the great rite then the energy levels would definatley be high and the residule energy from a highly focus ritual / ceremony and it would be posisble in my opinion to create a deep level memory.

I know this concept holds true for the creation of ghostly echo's and tramatic echos. Yet realilisty it shold also be favaroable for the creation of echo's based upon sexual energy and release.

.................................................................................................... .....................

Exactly that , MonSno_LeeDra :

Memory of Place , creates a person's phase lock , with land ,
or ground...

And a quantum level echo effect...absolutely...

There is much which can be inferred here , by those who
are ready , and psychically and mgieckally , let alone , physically
prepared...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I personaly think its one of the reasons so many women imprint thier emotional state upon rings and other jewerly during thier first sexual union. Not to say men don't but for me I've picked it up from women far more frequent than form male worn items.


Now we are entering into the territory of Talismanic Mgieck , as a piece of
jewelery , imbued with sexual energy , and in this presently discussed
topic , the essence pattern of an entity , combined with a connection to the land...

A very potentially powerful talisman , indeed...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I think any point where a significant amount of energy is expelled and focused in that expulsion a vortex can be created. The only variable I believe would be the size and intensity of the vortex. I additionally htink the direciton of the vortex could be semi directed based upon the facing direction of the energy release. ie a release into the ground as a grounding would create a subductin type vortex which spirals into the earth. I find these are identifed especialaly when one goes into a subterrian cavern or opening.

Inversely, an upward and outward release would create a rising vortex. Same sceme in operation.


Yes...True...yet you could utilize...shall we say...back door sexuality to
open the gate to the Underworld , in certain retual , or Mirror Universe...

And to contact certain energy essence patterns , or entities , raw sex...

Whereas...face to face , heart to heart , eye to eye , tantric sex , could be
utilized to contact Upperworld entities...

So...utilizing different forms of sexuality , perhaps different geometric
body forms , in sexual union ( think Kama Sutra ) to access power ,
astral travel , imprint energy potential , create a wietch - child ...?

Yes...many possibilities...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

It focused upon an alter or smaller item I think it could also create a relic type creation. Move the relic and the vortex would move with it. Placed upon the earth then I see a stationary vortex. SO I would think your end goal or purpose would be the defining factor in which method or spot to use.

Add that a controlled vortex can also be used to create a focused dimensional door then the possibilites become infinate. The possibilities could easily contain , time portals, dimensional portals, dimensional bends, literly anything the mind could think of.

Of course if you create these vortex's would you want ot just leave them running open or close them down? Would you pass word protect them? What would you do?

Yes...the Altar / Alter idea , is very interesting...and an upright double cubic altar , combined with a double
cubic horizontal altar...one for your retual items , one
for sex retual...

There is something to be said for this...

And being able to transport a vortexual doorway...
Ahhh...yes...what potential that holds....

Yet again...a stationary gate , utilized to tap into the
Telluric Current , the carrier wave for the astral Earth ,
Air , Fire and Water currents...

A physical ground based location...what a power point...

( Now...what if you had 13 couples ...12 , for circle
perimeter , with a High Priestess and Priest in center...
calling same energy pattern...? )

And , Ahem...yes...I , being as responsible , mgieckally ,
as I can be , and would encourage others to do the same...

Would most definitely...Lock them down , ward them...
and not speak of their immediate location to others...
need to know basis...True...?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

One thing I should care to bring further into consciousness here...

Regarding Retual , in general...Sex Retual , in particular...

Human Body + Mgieckal Current : Geometric Dimensional Interface...

Dance...Yoga...Martial Arts...Tantra...Potentials in Retual...?

Think of alternating , and direct current...electromagnetism...

Flow , spin , charge , angular momentum...Quantum Electrodynamics...

Sine Waves...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I'm finding this thread kind of interesting, I know that it deals a lot with other dimensions, planes and realities, so are there any good books on this (or related topics) that you'd recommend?.

Okay , David...off the top of my head...just a beginning...

The Black Goddess and the Unseen Real : Peter Redgrove

Books by Kenneth Grant ( I do not agree with many things ,
but...an understanding of otherdimensional potential ,
with sex mgieck )

The Voudon Quantum Leap : Reginald Crosely

Beyond Sex : Cybele and E.J. Gold

Who Is Afraid Of Schrodinger's Cat : Dana Zohar and Ian Marshall

Warped Passages : Lisa Randall

Superforce : Paul Davies

Sexual Secrets : Nik Douglas and Penny Slinger

A Beginner's Guide To Creating Your Own Universe : Michael Schneider

Crystal and Dragon : David Wade

The Incunabula Website...Ong's Hat...real or not...you decide...

Books on breathing , focusing , visualization...

Yoga , Metaprogramming...

Stan Tenen...( Meru Foundation )
Especially first series of videos , Re : Geometric Metaphors of Life

Elegant Universe : Brian Green ( PBS )

What the Bleep Do We know About Anything ?

This is just a beginning...


Disclaimer : I am not stating any of these books are perfect...far from it...
Yet...they , layered as a quantum level composite...begin the process of
opening the mind to understandings of underlying principles...

Then...I recommend further research into Earth Energies , Stellar Currents ,
Sacred Geometry...and , of course...Sex Mgieck...Light , and Shadow...
Only when someone is truly ready...and of course...

" Watch who you call , When you call..."

[~Owl~]

Hmmmm....

Those are fascinating questions, as well as good subject material for conversation. At least with those here who have been on a Path that they can fully comprehend the lines between the lines in this thread.

Alas, it also seems to require more complex answers, to which I'm not quite up to today, as I've got a lot of "multi-tasking" to do.

But you DO bring up some rather interesting points, Shawn. Food for thought...


:lol:....................lol.....................:lol:


;) Glad you enjoyed the humor in that. I wasn't sure if you would catch it or not.

[David19]

Okay , David...off the top of my head...just a beginning...

The Black Goddess and the Unseen Real : Peter Redgrove

Books by Kenneth Grant ( I do not agree with many things ,
but...an understanding of otherdimensional potential ,
with sex mgieck )

The Voudon Quantum Leap : Reginald Crosely

Beyond Sex : Cybele and E.J. Gold

Who Is Afraid Of Schrodinger's Cat : Dana Zohar and Ian Marshall

Warped Passages : Lisa Randall

Superforce : Paul Davies

Sexual Secrets : Nik Douglas and Penny Slinger

A Beginner's Guide To Creating Your Own Universe : Michael Schneider

Crystal and Dragon : David Wade

The Incunabula Website...Ong's Hat...real or not...you decide...

Books on breathing , focusing , visualization...

Yoga , Metaprogramming...

Stan Tenen...( Meru Foundation )
Especially first series of videos , Re : Geometric Metaphors of Life

Elegant Universe : Brian Green ( PBS )

What the Bleep Do We know About Anything ?

This is just a beginning...


Disclaimer : I am not stating any of these books are perfect...far from it...
Yet...they , layered as a quantum level composite...begin the process of
opening the mind to understandings of underlying principles...

Then...I recommend further research into Earth Energies , Stellar Currents ,
Sacred Geometry...and , of course...Sex Mgieck...Light , and Shadow...
Only when someone is truly ready...and of course...

" Watch who you call , When you call..."

Thanks for those book recommendations, I'll definantly try and check some out. Kenneth Grant's books are something I've been meaning to check out for awhile (and I've read extracts of his fiction which seems quite cool too).

Again, thank you.

[aluokaloo]

I believe it's possible and doable, would I do it? I don't know, I don't think it would be a wise move on my part personally. Interesting that this was brought up, as I am writing a fictional book on a spirit and a human woman who had an otherwordly child together, well sort of.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

If I can be of any help in your venture , and endeavor , my friend
Aluokaloo , please let me know...I am here , in your service...:hahugh:

[aluokaloo]

If I can be of any help in your venture , and endeavor , my friend
Aluokaloo , please let me know...I am here , in your service...:hahugh:

would you like a little sneak peak?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Oh , Aluokaloo...

If I were not a gentleman...

Ahem...yes , my friend...pm me...with your sneak peak...

[aluokaloo]

Oh , Aluokaloo...

If I were not a gentleman...

Ahem...yes , my friend...pm me...with your sneak peak...

Ohhh I am so close to wedgying you. Hmm....is that how you even spell wedgying? Is that even a word?8O

[Shawn Blackwolf]

...Self Wedgie..._wedgie_ ...

...lol...

[aluokaloo]

oh now you're asking for it!!_wedgie_ and another one for the one I almsot gave ya!_wedgie_

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Two wedgies in a row...ouch...!

See...Women do turn men into Blue Gods...:hahugh:

[aluokaloo]

Two wedgies in a row...ouch...!

See...Women do turn men into Blue Gods...:hahugh:




ok Shawn sent you the sneak peeks. hope you enjoy.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

You know this thread has touched upon quite a few demensions. It's touched upon eveything except the Anamorphic impact of dealing with some duel based energies.

Yet what about the energy released upon demensional spots when an entinity brings both its human characteristic and its animal charasteric? For instances thnk of the Goddess Bast her energy is composed of both a human facet and a feline facet.

At that juncture one could assume the animorphic content of both parts. It would literly be a combination of Skin Walker and Lycanthropy. One could actually feel the content of their spirit animal or even animal guide if they posses one.

From the sexual union one could infact release the primordial animal energy contained within all creature's. Practically every step of evolution is imprinted upon our energy signature.

From a mythological perspective thier is more than one region with tales of cross species inpregnation. Yet what of the concept of assuming the persona of the creature most strongly associated with the entinity you are dealing with.

I know it's a different feel to the energy and the barrier is both mental and physical. I know the Northern Berserker touched somewhat upon the concept of self introduced and self generated energy portal.

Just another perspective to think about.

[MonSno_LeeDra]

Another facet of this I have never fully resolved within myself is this.

We live within a given realility. Lets call this realility alpha prime for discussion. Now every action within Alpha prime moves us forward. Yet each possibility creates an alternate realility that could have occured had we taken that route.

Each alternate route running at the same time as Alpha Prime so the probability is enourmious with regard to parrallel realilities.

At this point in Alpha Prime all we have touched upon is the realility of my indiviudal self. Some what defined its like a telephone cable that appears as one solid cable from the outside yet is filled with many parrallel possibilites.

Add the greater community then the cable becomes gigantic in its potential outcomes occuring at any given instance. Now at the same time we have alternate histories occuring as events happened in different ways on one time stream yet different on another.

Yet all these possibilites are occuring within the confines of our "Realility".

Now outside our realility is the concept of dual realilities, mirror realilities, etc. Outside that demension is the concept of parrallel universes, alternate universes, etc. Outside that is the concept of multiple demensions that have no connection to the original Alpha Prime or its inhabantants.

So when we reach outside of Alpha Prime just where are we reaching?

If I pull upon the powers of a god / goddess am I in fact pulling from a realility where they are still fully in power and adding that cross over to myself or does it open a portal between our two perspectives and allow them to influence upon my Alpha Prime?

from a quantum perspective thier are as many possibilites as their are opportunites to take a different route.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I waited to see if anyone would respond to your posts ,
MonSno_LeeDra :

I loved them...so here goes...in the Olde Tongue...

Wietchcrreayafth = 682 = Animal Essence + Back of the Head

In my tradition , psychic powers are linked to anthropomorphism ;
The assumation of an animal , or animal deity / entity , unlocks
certain deep places in the psyche , and brain...

And , interestingly enough , in our tradition , the terms :

Energy Signature = 454
Telluric Current = 455
Mgieck Retual = 454
Animal's Mgieckal Current = 456

Thus a resonance , and relation...

Think of this...then the myths of certain beings who lost power ,
when they were not touching the Earth...( Telluric Current )...

They were often primal , or " hairy" beings...

It would behoove a practitioner of Mgieck , to ponder the vast
implications contained within this thread...and the anthropomorphic
images from different cultures...Goetic Calls , anyone...?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Another facet of this I have never fully resolved within myself is this.

We live within a given realility. Lets call this realility alpha prime for discussion. Now every action within Alpha prime moves us forward. Yet each possibility creates an alternate realility that could have occured had we taken that route.

Each alternate route running at the same time as Alpha Prime so the probability is enourmious with regard to parrallel realilities.

At this point in Alpha Prime all we have touched upon is the realility of my indiviudal self. Some what defined its like a telephone cable that appears as one solid cable from the outside yet is filled with many parrallel possibilites.

Add the greater community then the cable becomes gigantic in its potential outcomes occuring at any given instance. Now at the same time we have alternate histories occuring as events happened in different ways on one time stream yet different on another.

Yet all these possibilites are occuring within the confines of our "Realility".

Now outside our realility is the concept of dual realilities, mirror realilities, etc. Outside that demension is the concept of parrallel universes, alternate universes, etc. Outside that is the concept of multiple demensions that have no connection to the original Alpha Prime or its inhabantants.

So when we reach outside of Alpha Prime just where are we reaching?

If I pull upon the powers of a god / goddess am I in fact pulling from a realility where they are still fully in power and adding that cross over to myself or does it open a portal between our two perspectives and allow them to influence upon my Alpha Prime?

from a quantum perspective thier are as many possibilites as their are opportunites to take a different route.

With all above...Now you are beginning to speak of MY
experience of the Otherworld Reality...

And , regarding the reaching outside Alpha Prime...

Outside the Outside = 401 = Interface

A place of all possibility...

[~Owl~]

I'm more than familiar with the variations of the Blue Gods (there is one in Feri).


Iwas going to chime in, that as the original Feri tradition is more closely aligned to the Tradional Pictish Tradion that I was initiated into, The Blue God is represented as the Young God, and that the Picts were reported to paint thenselves blue for certain rituals.

This is from ancient Gaelic times.

[~Owl~]

oh now you're asking for it!!_wedgie_ and another one for the one I almsot gave ya!_wedgie_

Oh, this one is rather cheeky isn't she? ;)

That's OK, Shawn likes the naughty ones. Don't you, baby doll? ;)

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Oh, this one is rather cheeky isn't she? ;)

That's OK, Shawn likes the naughty ones. Don't you, baby doll? ;)

Ahem...there is nothing wrong with a little bit of ...

shall we say...pure animal attraction...:cheers: ...

[~Owl~]

Well, I AM an Owl, does that count? ;)

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Iwas going to chime in, that as the original Feri tradition is more closely aligned to the Tradional Pictish Tradion that I was initiated into, The Blue God is represented as the Young God, and that the Picts were reported to paint thenselves blue for certain rituals.

This is from ancient Gaelic times.

Back on topic...ahem...

Thank you Owl...yes , I myself use Woad , during high festivals ,
to paint blue spirals on my face...I have a picture of myself , lost
somewhere in my stuff , of me at the Oregon Country Fair , that way...

And you , and others of the Feri Tradition , might find it interesting :

The eight symbols we refer to , as our single mother's column , in our
Faery Tradition , have a number value of 603...

603 =It will be ( 30 ) Star ( 270 ) Goddess ( 148 ) + Blue ( 78 ) God ( 77 )

Interestingly , the number value for :

Star Goddess + Blue God = 573

Male + Feymale = 574

Different...Faery and Feri...yet with similarities , eh ?

By the way...Blue ( 78 ) in Runes ;

Equals : To initiate ( 78 ) in Obri...:hahugh:

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Well that would make a Winged , very Wise Wolf...

Yea , that would do...nicely...

[Xander67]

I think somhow, Mayan Astrology and the Mayan Calendar DO in fact play a critical role in all of this...

Im not one of the 2012 Domesday Propets, but I do think there may be something to those prophecies, especially when you consider that the Prophesies Far outdate the date when the calendar supposedly end...

I mean, on an astrological level, what ever astral world that calendar came from was obviously more advanced than ours, but it included our 365 day cycle in thier pyramid to give us a bridge, a conduit to attune to thier level... and apply the mayan calander to our own astrology... That's when things really happen..

I think possibly, that we will have a new awareness and paridigm shift in 2012 for those who are able to see it... and somehow, I think what ever is meant by the return of the time lords... it involves us in that we will all be here in 2012 to witness what it is all about.. :)

we do not know what will happen in 2012 when the earth changes it's axis to Straight up and down 90 degrees...

it is a rare occurance and it happens every 26,000 years.. so depending on how old the planet is, we have obviously survived and continued to evolve :)

[~Owl~]

That's a powerful, and thought provoking statement, Xander. I'm impressed. ;)

[Xander67]

thanks, I saw a special on the history channel about the Mayans and it sparked a slight intrest in Mayan astrology, and Mayan Heiroglyphics lol

considering we have 5 years untill the big 2012, I thought id research it. The more i researched, the more i am convinced that the Mayans had access to magic and possibly were of another galaxy... yeah i know im crazy.. :)

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Well , Xander...

I waited to see what would happen with your statements...
First...Quickly said...the center of the 11 dimensional Faery Tree...
The Rune pairs for Water , Air , Fire , Earth , Below Gate , Above Gate...
Have the same number value as Time Travel , when we add the Rune
pair pronounced "payuurt eel" , or portal , in our language...

We work with five streams of time...Past , Present , Future , Linear ,
and Non - Linear...A composite time , yet can be traveled seperately...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Now...there is an Otherworld dimension , where composite time
equals no time...folding into an eternal present...

We have a saying...energy moves in fives...

Pi x Phi ( 3.14159 x 1.618033 ) apprx = 5.0832...

When the energy spirals into the center...the line is infinite...
yet you may be at any point on the line , and experience the
whole line...

A most interesting experience...:hahugh:

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Now the dimension known as Daath in Obri , is a Fractal Time Line...

And Space Time Formation , is based on Fractal Time...IMTNSHO...

Now , by our Code system...

Fractal Time + Speak - See Language = 848

Psychic Powers = 848

Divine Feminine Kcebealla+Divine Masculine Qabalah+
Mgieck = 848

Beta , Alpha , Theta , Delta , Runa = 848

( Runa being our traditions name for the fifth brain wave level )

Interestingly...

Daath = 474

Word = 474

God = 474

Just for thought...:hahugh: ( Say the word , Atrayu ! )

( The story is neverending...speak your truth into being )

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Now those who have followed my posts...

Know I work with two Rune pillars / columns...
as just one arrangement of the 29 Rune system...

Number value 994...

Mayan Calendar + Duration = 994

We also have an arrangement of the columns ,
as an 8 x 8 configuration , producing a grid of
sixty four Rune pairs...the words :

Sixty Four Color Rune Payuurteel ( portal )= 1186

Tzolkin : Mayan Calendar = 1186


Lords of Planetary / Star Time = 1186

Space Time Prog'raym ( program ) = 1186

The Rune Pairs , are the Key , missing to the calendar...
They are actually vibrated , as tones...

And they link the seven cho - ku - rays ( chakras ) to the
Telluric Current earth cho - ku - ray...

As I have said before...a wholistic system...resonant...