Buffy Finale

[Myst]

Ok where's the cliffhanger?

[Azure]

Well:
1. What are the repercussions for Willow?
2. Spike with a soul? Especially as he had to be big bad again to get it.
3. Xander and Anya?
4. What will become of the Duo?
5. Dawn's future?

I like the fact that Xander was the only one who could save the world.

[fey]

Ok, I had a reply, then realized that not everyone has seen it yet, so I'll hold off. : )

[Danustouch]

I Screamed with Joy when Giles showed up! The entire beginning of the show, I kept saying.."Oh..I wish Giles would show up!"..I was SO happy when he did! And I REALLY like the part where he is explaining what happened, to Anya..and how the world was saved..."What I gave Willow, was the true essence of Magick". Imo..that totally balanced out the "misrepresentation" that some people felt was happening about Wiccans in last weeks show...

"Willow's magick was driven by pain, anger, and revenge". ie..that isn't the bottom line of magick.

I was really happy that Xander was the one to save the world, too. And I do believe that he and Anya will work things out, or ..that she at least will come to a point of forgiveness for him, maybe they will just go their seperate ways...

The spoilers for next season, say that Willow is her old self again, and that the show will be returning to it's upbeat feel. Which I think is great. I also think it's great that Buffy seems to be saying she's going to be giving Dawn more responsibility... and appreciating her a bit more. That's really cool.

And wow...Spike getting his Soul back! That is the cliffhanger. What will that mean?


Personally, I think that Dawn is going to go and confront spike, on Buffy's behalf again. I can't wait to see how that will play out.

And personally, one of the greatest moments, was I think, when Buffy comes out with "I've been sleeping with Spike"...and Giles cracks up laughing. I was SO happy that he did that..instead of being the prim and proper Giles. That was wicked cool.

[Mithrea]

It's still on here and I am waiting for it to go off so I can call my friends and asked what happened. I'm so pathetic! :T I was really surprised when I saw this thread. I can't wait until I can see it myself! :nonono:

[Azure]

I loved the laughing too - but it makes me wonder all the more if Spike and Buffy aren't going to end up with each other in the end. Oh, and if Drusilla comes back, that could be icky.

[Danustouch]

Do you think she would??????? uh ohhhhhhhhhhhh...........

Incidentally, if Buffy and Spike DO wind up together again, I will probably be very upset. What sort of message does that send, about Rape and Sexual Violence? I'm sure that I'm not the only one who will be thinking that that would be a very bad message to put across...I think, that they are going to have to be very careful with this story line....

[SpikesPet5150]

I'm thinking maybe they will get back together.. simply because of the whole wording of that conversation with the uber crazy demon...

"Make me what I was, so Buffy will get what she deserves."

And poof, he has a soul, and can therefor give Buffy what she deserves.. happiness. But I'm thinking.. will he be a vampire anymore? I mean, he was never a vampire with a soul... so making him what he was before would be turning him human. But I don't know if anything has the power to do that. Ehh, guess we'll have to wait and find out. Gods, how I love the anticipation!!!

And dammit, I love Spike, and yes, I realize that he tried to rape Buffy.. but hey.. evil soulless demon. But not anymore! WOOO HOOOOO! Sorry, freak out minute.

I bawled my eyes out when Xander was doing the whole, "I love you.. I still love you" thing to Willow. That was so beautiful.

And I actually cheered outloud when Giles came back. That man is the poster child of sexy older men. ;) And Anya is so adorable. I love her more and more with every episode. She's almost childlike with her innocence of the ways of the world, but then again, she's incredibly wise and so brave.

~Bree

[MistOfTheSea86]

The inverted pentagram didn't really irk me. Face it, it's hollywood

Willow has gone CRAZAY. The cliffhanger previews were like EEP what is gonna happen?

I am thinking, MAYBE, Spike is trying to get his soul? I mean he always says THE DAMN CHIP IN MY HEAD. But the demon never flat out said "If you do this I will take out that chip" And spike never really "Requested" So do say, he just was complaining.

You never know?

I WAS RIGHT! HEE HEE:)

[materra]

I am still processing...and still crying. Oh my....awful lot to think about. Xander, at last he is a real hero, and I think that will bring a big change in him, growth and maturity.

I wonder how Willow with have changed..she did very bad things with alot of power. Hmmmm?

Spike got soul...I don't think that was what he was thinking about, but it was what he asked for...To be what he was..?

An upbeat Buffy teaching Dawn the ropes? And wasn't Dawn fine!!

If Giles is with the show, I think it will be a boost.

Oh and if alot of Willow's evil reversed itself, on the people at least...is Warren the rat face still around? Or did she do him in and stash him as a demon somewhere? You hate to put a good bad guy to rest.

Wow.

[SpikesPet5150]

Go Mist... (doing the happy dance for you).
~Bree

[WandererInGray]

*grins* Ditto what the others said....

[Myst]

Originally posted by Danustouch
And wow...Spike getting his Soul back! That is the cliffhanger. What will that mean?

Not much of a cliffhanger if you ask me. Usually at least someone dies or the world might end. So what if Spike gets his soul back, will probably just stop trying to get back at Buffy, maybe even realize how awful what he did was. Tho after he tried to rape her I don't think she'll ever forgive him.

*shrugs* I found it pretty anti climactic. Even Angel was more interesting tonite.

[Danustouch]

I agree...Angel was definitely MORE of a cliffhanger, it blew me away. But...I'm still waiting on the edge of my seat to see what happens with Spike :)

And I also agree, I don't think Buffy will ever forgive him. As I said..if she does..i'll be reallllllly upset. But I do think that there will remain a connection between Spike, and Dawn. Though, what it is, I'm not sure.

[Phoenix Blue]

At the risk of veering from topic, I have to be the odd guy out here. . . see, I think everyone gets one really big screw-up in life (unlife?). That was Spike's. . .

Buffy let him live, which implies some level of forgiveness. The rest is up to the two of them. . . **shrugs** makes for an interesting story.

What I don't like is this innate presumption that "Oooh, he did this, he must be evil." If someone wants to change, he can. I've done some fairly reprehensible things myself, so I'm really in no place to pass judgment.

It's like the old Hebrew guy said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

[Melysande]

I don't like what Spike tried to do to Buffy, but I can understand why he tried to. Doesn't make it right, and I know this.

I would add that whatever Spike did before was while he was soulless. Now he has a soul. In a sense, he was reborn. It's what he does from here forward that he should be judged upon.

Either Buffy is getting what she deserves, in that she's getting her guy with a beast in him, but also with a soul... or else she's getting the vindication that she may also deserve to feel once she finds out that Spike has a soul and now can possibly feel even worse than he did before about what he did.

Then again, he could still be a bad-boy but one with a soul. Having a soul does not a bona fide good guy make. Just look at Warren. (On second thought, don't look at Warren..... SPEW.)

[Mithrea]

Originally posted by Melysande
Then again, he could still be a bad-boy but one with a soul. Having a soul does not a bona fide good guy make. Just look at Warren. (On second thought, don't look at Warren..... SPEW.)

:T :rotfl: :T

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Danustouch

And personally, one of the greatest moments, was I think, when Buffy comes out with "I've been sleeping with Spike"...and Giles cracks up laughing. I was SO happy that he did that..instead of being the prim and proper Giles. That was wicked cool.

I think what happened there was that Buffy threw in that last bit about sleeping with Spike, and Giles thought that she threw that in as a joke to lighten the other blows, hence the laughing! I don't think Giles really believes it... yet.

[WandererInGray]

*smiles* Let's remember too all the "evil" things that Angel did as Angelus....and Buffy loved him.

*shrugs* Honestly, in terms of this show, I don't think there needs to be a whole big statement about the attempted date rape. It's not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is trust.

Buffy trusted Spike only because of the chip in his head, next season she's going to have a grand ol' time reconciling the Spike she knew with the now Souled Spike :D

Frankly, I didn't think there was going to be any sort of cliffhanger. Joss has said several times that he plans all the seasons to be self-contained (in that they could end at the season finale) It's only because we want the series to go on that we assume any kind of cliff-hanger.

I've been disappointed in the series since after the musical....but looking back I can see how it all led to this point. And things ended so perfectly, Willow was saved (by her best friend no less), Giles returned and the moment I think Buffy feared resulted in rib-cracking laughter, Anya's heart has softened toward Xander a little, Xander got to feel like he was useful, and Dawn proved her stuff. *grins* Oh yeah, and Spike got just what he asked for.

All in all....I'm extremely satisfied by the finalé.

:D Next season I'm looking for the Summers' women to kick some vampire butt, Anya and Xander to start patching things up, Willow to work through her grief (honestly, it's easy for me to forgive the two body count, they were both scum), and Spike to have a real interesting time of it.

[Illuminatus]

Yes, it wrapped up nicely, and it was a very good episode. Not all the ones this season were. Since the Musical, it got too hard to watch.

Xander is just a great character as the reluctant hero. Early on, his job with the team was getting the donuts. There's really nothing special about him like all the others - he's not an occult master like Giles, he's not a computer hacker/uberwitch like Willow, or even a non-uberwitch like Tara, he doesn't have a mystical birthright to kick all ass like Buffy, he's not a trans-dimentional manifestation like Dawn, he's not a bad-ass werewolf like Oz, he's not a badass vampire like Spike or Angel, he's not a 1000 year old ex-demon like Anya, hell he isn't even half-demon like we just found out Cordelia is. He's just some dude! So what's his secret weapon??? Well, he's got HEART!!!

This show cannot jump the shark if they keep at least some of that first and second season comraderie together.

- Ill

[WandererInGray]

I don't know if anyone else picked up on this....

But the last couple of episodes were very down to earth in terms of the major events. (at least in my opinion)

We were going through Big Bads for the last six seasons and this is the first time that they've had a plain ordinary human be the baddy. :D I thought it was a nice touch.

And then, Xander saves the world, not with any mystical powers, but just because he loves Willow.

My sister commented too that she thought it was neat Xander had told both Willow and Buffy that he loved them, but it didn't have to go down the whole sexual road. It was that unconditional platonic love. *grins* Very cool.

[Melysande]

Cordy's a half-demon? Holy f***! This is what I get for not keeping up with that show.


I still wanna know.... does anyone remember the dragon that escaped from the mystical vortex Buffy closed when she died last season? What ever happened to that big drake?

And what about Clem? Is Clem going to get a more major role later on? (Like he seems to be taking a shine to Dawn....) And also, Clem looks like one of those Japanese Wrinkle Dogs. I just noticed this.

[WandererInGray]

*laughs hysterically*

A CharPei?? I said the exact same thing last night! :D I love Clem, he's such a cutie.

[BlueFaerieRose]

I cried when Willow did, I don't know how or why she went Magick crazy.

Does anyone else have a bad feeling that some parents that watched it and they kept mentioning us(Wicca) and then she went with the Satanism? Isn't anyone worried that our reputation may have been damaged again?

Xander was so sweet, but it got annoying b/c he said it the same way each time, in a monotone not lik Nicole Kidman did in Moulin Rouge( He LOVES me!)

You know?

Spike with a soul, not so rare to the cosmos anymore. No Angel has a partner. I think that Dawn should become the next slayer, or at least a Scooby.

~ Meg

[Melysande]

I still maintain that Dawn IS the next Slayer because she's part Buffy and that it was because she IS part-Buffy that no other Slayer has been called because technically "Buffy Slayerness" was still in existence.

We'll have to wait and see, though.

**sighs** And if I could have any job in the world, I'd still be either a Watcher or a member of Anne Rice's Talamasca.

[Danustouch]

Not to get too serious, but in reply to Phoenix blue's statement that Spikes screw up should be forgiven...well..forgiveness is one thing. Allowing yourself to ever trust the person, again, is another story entirely. You're right, Phoenix. Buffy let him live. And she'll probably continue to let him live, especially now, that he has a Soul. THAT is all the forgiveness I think Spike should get. Most women who have been victims of rape, or even attempted rape will tell you the same thing. Forgiveness generally means that you hope the person "reforms", and that you don't want to see them dead anymore, but on the other hand, you will probably never again say.."heya former rapist o' mine. Let's go catch a flick at the drive inn theatre next sunday night!". If THAT happens next season, i'll probably be a bit dissappointed in the writers.

Anyway..in regard to this comment by BlueFaerieRose...

Does anyone else have a bad feeling that some parents that watched it and they kept mentioning us(Wicca) and then she went with the Satanism? Isn't anyone worried that our reputation may have been damaged again?

I think a few of us have already answered this. In the episode previous to the finale, alot of people were thinking the same thing, that basically what the writers were doing, was promoting the ideal that many ignorant folks in society have about Wicca..that it is "dark" and "Evil". However, in THIS weeks episode, when Giles returns, and first BINDS willow, and then allows her to draw magick from him which was of the "Positive" variety....he drew a line in the sand. Especially when he said.."What I gave Willow, was the true essence of magick. Willow's magick was driven by revenge, hatred, and rage" or something of the sort. Note the wording there.."The True Essence". In other words, any parent who might have been wanting to base their ideal of Wicca on a fantasy show such as the prior Buffy episode, would NOT find the excuse to do so after this episode. Because what Giles was saying, was that allowing revenge, rage, and hatred to overcome love, reason, and sanity, is NOT true magick. So..in other words, the writers redeemed themselves on that one (if any redemption was needed, I still feel that anyone who bases their opinion of a religion on a fantasy television show has major mental problems). :)

[Chibi-Fallon]

Don't you just love Xander. :D He was my favorite from day 1. I'm kinda sad how much they changed Willow tho. It's why I stopped watching for a while (well that and I really liked Seth Green). I liked nerdy little Willow. She was so cute. :cutie:

[Azure]

I'd like to see Oz back. I liked Oz. There was a rumor he'd be back for the finale, but i guess that was pre- Greg the Bunny.

[Melysande]

**sighs** Oz and Riley. My faves...

I spliced the two pictures together into one image.

[Apac]

Bout time Dawn got to kick some butt, I can't wait to see her next season, but

!!!!!!!!!!I WANT TARA BACK!!!!!!!!!!!

[MistOfTheSea86]

Of course what he did was terrible, and he never should have done it. He believes that, as does she. But you can't forever past judgement on someone who is looking for forgiveness. Besides, it'll be good for the Christian Fundies who believe in "Forgiveness for all who repent their sins"

And believe me, after Spike gets his soul, he will have some repentance to do. And not just with Buffy...

[Danustouch]

But you can't forever past judgement on someone who is looking for forgiveness. Besides, it'll be good for the Christian Fundies who believe in "Forgiveness for all who repent their sins"

Ummmmmm....first of all...i didn't say you can't forgive them. What I mean, is that to forgive, and to forget, are two differen't things. You can forgive the person, and not wish any harm to come to them, or whatever, but it doesn't mean that you will EVER truly trust them again. Coming from someone who HAS been sexually assaulted in the past, and who HAS done a great deal of forgiving about it..i can tell you that much. That I would never again place myself in a situation where I was alone with the individual again, if at all possible. I have talked to many women who have been raped and sexually assaulted, and I know that there are many who agree with me. That forgiving the offender, is A)more something you do for yourself, than for the offender. and B)not the same thing as allowing them back into your life, or putting yourself into contact with the person again.

Secondly..not wanting to be around a person who has sexually assaulted you in the past, isn't "Passing Judgement" as in saying the person is forever evil because of their past actions. It IS passing judgement as to whether or not you wish to expose yourself to this person, face them, deal with them, allow them into your life, etc. Which is something we all do on a daily basis. We have EVERY right to pass judgement in this manner. To decide whom we will allow ourselves to be close to in the future, and who we wont.

And, personally, I don't think that fundie christians will notice that forgiveness theme if it happens in the show, or teach them anything at all. And I don't think, heh...that Joss would have that in mind, either.

[MistOfTheSea86]

And, personally, I don't think that fundie christians will notice that forgiveness theme if it happens in the show, or teach them anything at all. And I don't think, heh...that Joss would have that in mind, either.

You'd be surprised really, it is not only sectionalized to fundie christians however. What I enjoy most about the show is how many levels the words have, and how many levels they can be taken. My comment on repentance was a for instance anyhow. Besides, I didn't know that killing Tara was in Joss's mind O.o Or having Buffy die was in his mind, who knows what his real meanings are... Another great thing I like about that show, it takes a while for him to be somewhat predictable and even then I am at the edge of my seat.

However, I do agree that Teaching little fundies good values is not his intent either lol

[Illuminatus]

Check this out:

Britney is going to be on Buffy

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-10409329,00.html

[Myst]

Guess I won't be watching that show anymore :rolleyes:

[Phoenix Blue]

Oh, I dunno. . .



She is planning to take on the part of a blood-sucking baddie, according to reports.
Obviously, this won't be much of a stretch for her. :p

Seriously. . . **shakes head** I used to think she was attractive; nowadays, she looks old and washed-up. :blushake:

[WandererInGray]

*grins* Well if she's going to be a blood-sucking baddy....that means we get to see her dusted!

[Danustouch]

Oh man..that will be SO fun..to see her get her butt kicked! Only wish I could play the part of buffy in that episode! heh.

[Djiril]

I didn't know that killing Tara was in Joss's mind O.o Or having Buffy die was in his mind I heard that Buffy's death was WB's effort to sabatoge the show when it moved to UPN, though I don't know exactly how that works.

[SpikesPet5150]

Guys, Joss has said MANY MANY times that Britney will never ever be on the show. So I think I'll just wait and see.. I've heard rumors that she's supposed to be on the show since 3rd season, and every time Joss said, "NO WAY."

And the WB had nothing to do with Buffys death. They have nothing to do with the writing or direction of the show. The only thing they had any control over was the amount of nudity they allowed to be shown. According to Joss, everything in Buffy is supposed to be metaphorical for everyday adolescent life.. exagerated, of course. And Buffy death was supposed to be metaphorical for her passing from adolescence into adulthood.
~Bree