Ing = Frey

[Kern]

Thought this article was very informative with very good reasons as to why Ing and Frey are one in the same.

http://pages.prodigy.net/gary_s/oerp/appendixd_ing.pdf

Here is just a small quote from the article.


In the Saga of the Yinglings we are told explicitly that Frey was also known as Yngvi,Yngvifrey and the God of the world.He is also Yingvi in strophe 55 of The First Lay of Helgi the Hunding Slayer and strophe 14 of The Lay of Regin.In strophe 43 of the Lokasenna,Frey is called Ingunar-Frey.In Skaldskaparmal ,He is clearly referred to as Ingi-Frey and as Atridi(Faulks 1987:88;Hollander,1962:14).

[S_Wodening]

The problem with this however is that we are given Ing's father as being Mannus in Germaina. This one flaw kind of kills the idea for me that they are one and the same. I once thought they were, but the more I looked at it, the less I felt they were.

[Kern]

The problem with this however is that we are given Ing's father as being Mannus in Germaina. This one flaw kind of kills the idea for me that they are one and the same. I once thought they were, but the more I looked at it, the less I felt they were.

Hail Swain,
Can you quote the text? Is it referring to the god Ing or another being? Is this the only work that says that Mannus was Ings Father,and didnt Tacticus write that? Compare that with the Nerthus being Mother Earth argument..Sorry I havent read Germania? Does it refer to where this was believed? Cause the Anglo Saxon and Scandinavian Ing and Frey appear to be the same from what Ive read. Did you read the entire article on the link I gave?

[S_Wodening]

Hail Swain,
Can you quote the text? Is it referring to the god Ing or another being? Is this the only work that says that Mannus was Ings Father,and didnt Tacticus write that? Compare that with the Nerthus being Mother Earth argument..Sorry I havent read Germania? Does it refer to where this was believed? Cause the Anglo Saxon and Scandinavian Ing and Frey appear to be the same from what Ive read. Did you read the entire article on the link I gave?

I know the article, it is from Gary Stansfield a former member to of the Ealdriht. Anyway, the Mannus origin of Ing is in Germania, and he list the locations of the tribes that believed Ing was the son of Mannus. The Anglo-Saxon corpus remains silent on the matter other than a few Ing names and the rune poem verse. It is only the Scandanavian that really gives any idea that Ing =Yngvi=Freyr. Anyway here is the section:

"In their old ballads (which amongst them are the only sort of registers and history) they celebrate Tuisto, a God sprung from the earth, and Mannus his son, as the fathers and founders of the nation. To Mannus they assign three sons, after whose names so many people are called; the Ingaevones, dwelling next the ocean; the Herminones, in the middle country; and all the rest, Instaevones. "

[Kern]

Hail Swain,
Not sure,but since Mannus and Tuisto are not celebrated in Anglo Saxon mythos,well far as I am aware.Ing being the son of Mannus in that one account doesnt prove to me that Ing later didnt become Frey and some accounts give different versions of other gods having different parents, so Im still not convinced Ing and Frey are not one in the same especially since accounts do have him listed as Ing-Frey(Ying-Freyr).But who knows I may change my opinion on that later. Im not saying you are wrong,just that Im not convinced yet.

In Frith,
Kern

[S_Wodening]

Hail Swain,
Not sure,but since Mannus and Tuisto are not celebrated in Anglo Saxon mythos,well far as I am aware.Ing being the son of Mannus in that one account doesnt prove to me that Ing later didnt become Frey and some accounts give different versions of other gods having different parents, so Im still not convinced Ing and Frey are not one in the same especially since accounts do have him listed as Ing-Frey(Ying-Freyr).But who knows I may change my opinion on that later. Im not saying you are wrong,just that Im not convinced yet.

In Frith,
Kern


Hail Kern,

Well, here is a way to look at it. We have no evidence that the Anglo-Saxons worshiped Njord either. And the Anglo-Saxons were Ingvaeone tribes.

Welga!
Swain

[Kern]

Hail Kern,

Well, here is a way to look at it. We have no evidence that the Anglo-Saxons worshiped Njord either. And the Anglo-Saxons were Ingvaeone tribes.

Welga!
Swain

Hail Swain,
Like I said,Im not saying you are wrong,just that Im not convinced yet.I keep forgetting that they were for some reason,thanks for the reminder.Ive got alot of research to do..

Wish some one would give a class on here on Anglo-Saxon beliefs.I dont have the money to by alot of books and an online class would be great.

[aluokaloo]

http://englishheathenism.homestead.com/textingui.html

here is something to add. since i met Ing tonight. But i'm not sure if the way i saw Ing is right. He was an old...mostly naked man wearing a white cloak made out of a wolf pelt and wore a strange, gold crown entwined with growing branches and leaves. is that correct?