Just a few ideas

[cydira]

First, however, I need to admit something. I'm addicted to smilies!! :D

Now that I have that out of my system... ;)

I wanted to toss a few ideas out to you folks and find out how you felt about them.

I've been attempting to learn about magic for a few years now. I've come to several basic assumptions about this and a few other related items that I'd like to share with you. This way I can learn how others in my community view magic and their perspective.

My first assumption is that magic is another form of science. Magic is not supernatural because it exists in this world. The word supernatural means above nature or beyond nature, and because magic is natural ... well you get the point with that little side trip. :D But science is the study of the fundamental laws of nature and the processes by which nature operates. There are different branches of science that specialize in different areas and I belive that magic is a specialization in the area of spirit and energy. :)

My second assumption is that magic is "undiscovered" science. Because magic can not be explained by quantized formulas and the seemingly arcane explinations of "traditional" science, it is not accepted by the majority of the scientific community. They agree that there is a possiblity that something such as prayer can influence something, but the can not agree on the complex workings of it.

My third assumption is that magic is the manipulation of the body's energy field (aura) and it's interatction with other energy fields (ie: the aura's of plants, other people, or the greater energy of the universe). This manipulation will function in many respects like a wave sent out. Initially it may be a very limited wave but as it moves it will build in strength untill it brings manifest the objective of the magical working.

My fourth assumption is that magic can be negated by three things: 1.) an equal "energy wave" disrupting it (ie: a counterspell or a grounding of the energy); 2.) a weak focus = a weak wave, not enough conviction to move the energy; 3.) extended disruption of the wave by the environment (ie: a spell running it's course and no other effects would be noted).

And last, my fifth assumption is that any tools serve as a mental focus and psychological trigger to assist the mind in entering a state that allows the manipulation of the energy field of the body or about the body.

What do y'all think?

[Dagda Moon~Lily]

Wow, I think I am impressed. Previously, I just went on the belief that magic just worked. :crazy: The faith factor. I guess I never needed to know the how's or why's....just had the faith that it did/does. :D

I think your insights are quite well thought out, and well presented! I know you have given me something to think about! Thank you for sharing!

:D

[cydira]

Ooops.. wrong life time. I'm not a cat am I? <lol>

I come from a family that is very science oriented. As a result, I kinda get encouraged to ask why does something work. Magic is one of those things. :) I keep asking and pondering, in the process I might be driving my friends to insanity as well. Isn't friendship great? :D

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by cydira

My second assumption is that magic is "undiscovered" science.

:cool: well if its undiscovered than explain why some of the ppl of the world can use it.not to sound rude.
that is good stuff that u got there but it sounds to much like text book material.

[cydira]

I guess it did sound a little bit boring. Sorry about that. <blushes>

When I say undiscovered, I mean it is not accepted as a part of the mainstream science. It's kinda like the idea that home made chicken soup really does help a cold. The medical and scientific community passed it off as a myth and then made a "discovery" that it really does work.

[sandaljunkie]

I'm from a really scientific family too - and while I definately agree on your point about magic moving like waves - (as in sound or light or anything else) - and your ideas on negation of magic are very interesting.

But i do believe that - there is another plain - not quite "natural" to this one. But that your right in saying it is undiscovered - because it takes faith to find it - but once you know that is there - it's as solid as the world around us.

I don't believe science does have all the answers - or even ever could - especially for this kind of thing.. ie - magic.

and i have always believed that the stones - wands - athames - candles - just center us and help us focus...

so youve basically hit on all my unconscious feelings.. right on!

-sarah

[Lilu]

I think you have summed up my beliefs pretty well there Cydira! Very interesting!

:sunny: Bright Blessings
Lilu

[cydira]

I didn't expect this responce. To be honest, I was expecting something along the lines of a more negative reply from folks. I guess I need to stop being so harsh with myself in the future.

Thanks. :)

[Shy Hawk]

I think that it actually makes me feel better than magick is very explainable by science. I am a (mostly) logical and scientific person...it reassures me to know that magick is real.
Scientists just call it something else. :) Also, I think more about it is not known scientifically not because it can't be known, but because it has not been sought yet. People are still afraid of it, and probably for stupid reasons. However, I do believe that it's an energy principle.
Shy Hawk:D
PS I'm addicted to smilies aswell

[cydira]

:)

Hmm.... perhaps a thread should be started discussing the possible relationship between magic and science? I agree with you, I think that magic is an energy principle. I suspect that some of the answers to the Unified field theory may rest in this grey area that physicists insists doesn't exist. :)