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Clover
June 10th, 2002, 06:56 PM
Y Gwir yn Erbyn y Bydd Truth Against The World.

I am curious to know, where did that above Motto originate in historical times and when was it said during druid rituals in pre history?
Emy
June 12th, 2002, 03:21 AM
oh, I have no idea, but I'd love to find out :)

by the way, merry meet and welcome to MW
Clover
June 12th, 2002, 09:27 AM
Thanks Emy.....
I am constantly deluged with questions of the mind such as these. I am not Druid, but am currently researching the Pictish and that of course includes the Druids. If anyone has anything to add on what the meaning of that maxim means and how it relates to the Druids in pre-history, I would welcome the information

Blessed Be
Twig
June 15th, 2002, 12:54 PM
The 21 Lessons of Merlyn has that as a saying but, I seem to remember seeing it in "The Bardic Sourcebook".

I'll check further.

Peace,
Twig
:ghost:
bansidhe
June 21st, 2002, 09:00 AM
no idea clover! sowwie! :(

but cead maile failte! a hundred thousand welcomes!

blessings,
bans. :bubbles:
Clover
July 3rd, 2002, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by Twig
The 21 Lessons of Merlyn has that as a saying but, I seem to remember seeing it in "The Bardic Sourcebook".

I'll check further.

Peace,
Twig
:ghost:


I would appreciate that so very much! Thank you!
Clover
July 3rd, 2002, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by bansidhe
no idea clover! sowwie! :(

but cead maile failte! a hundred thousand welcomes!

blessings,
bans. :bubbles:


Ohhh, it's alright! Thanks for the welcome.....
merlins_shadow
July 7th, 2002, 10:57 PM
yes, I have seen that particular phrase in the 21 lessons of merlin as well....
Clover
July 8th, 2002, 11:27 AM
I know that it is "Truth Against The World", but in the context of the Druids using it in pre-history is what I am curious about. I will certainly be reading the Merlin book just to see what it has to say! Thanks so much for all the replies!!!
burn_my_lovely
July 9th, 2002, 05:45 AM
Translated it means "The truth against the world". These words are the creed of the pre-Christian Celtic religion. The patriarchs (and probably matriarchs) of this religion were figures of awesome authority. The mere mention of their name brings fear to most of the modern Western world. They were the Druids. It has been historically assumed that the members of this order were both male and female, druid and druidess. However, a recent manuscript entitled "The 21 Lessons of Merlin" proposes the idea that perhaps the male and female path were segregated. This has been debated since the publication of the book, and since the book's premise has been based on the "authority" of an obscure manuscript entitled "The Book of Pheryllt" which cannot be documented to even exist, the argument will most likely remain ongoing and in the favor of the non-"21 Lessons" side. Not sure if that may help you.. but, whatever..
Clover
July 9th, 2002, 10:11 AM
Thanks so much, burn_my_lovely. Yes, that helps!
burn_my_lovely
July 9th, 2002, 01:01 PM
No problem. Glad to help.
spock
September 24th, 2003, 03:27 PM
I just found you using a google search for the original language spelling. This has been on my car for years and now that I'm selling it I wanted to have it put on my newer car but couldn't read the lettering.....faded letters but not faded truth.

So pleased to have found this board and when next I have time I shall check out all the threads.

.....There is more under heaven and earth than you have dreamed
of in your philosophy........