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sari0009
October 28th, 2007, 05:05 PM
In our household handling three generations, I have been creating a column of plastic grocery bags (http://www.instructables.com/id/SXB2IR2F2L4FTJE/) between the microwave cart and wall about every two weeks. In three weeks, the column is about as tall as I am, and I'm about 5'6" now. We have a stash under the bathroom sink too. I hate wasting the things without putting them to use at least one more time, so we bag up used diapers in them.

My mother sent me money for my birthday and I've finally decided what I want to get/make for my birthday -- reusable grocery bags (which account for much of the plastic waste we create (http://www.notawaste.com/articles/reusable_shopping_bags.html)).
This came to me after vowing to run a less cluttered and wasteful household and after reading about the (mostly plastic) unknown thousands of pounds of waste now found floating in the ocean between the U.S. coast and Hawaii (http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Ocean/Ocean-Plastic-Landfill-Algalita1nov02.htm). Turns out we use somewhere between 100 and 500 billion plastic grocery bags each year on this Earth. Something like that.
I got into that topic after yet another major appliance broke down within months of the waranty and it has a lot of plastic in its construction. The repair person said it cannot be fixed. That got me reading not only about plastic but the whole concept of 'planned obsolescence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence).' Anyway ...I already had bolts of dark green heavy tightly woven canvas material (military surplus maybe?) that I got for a dollar a yard (at Wal-Mart) so I could use that instead of ordering resusable grocery/shopping bags and really cut down on the number of plastic grocery bags and plastics we use in the first place! Even one-use disposable bioplastic has environmental impact from production (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioplastic).

You can either buy or make reusable grocery bags.

Buy Reusable Grocery Bags/Totes

They can vary in price and materials used so shop around!
http://www.ecobags.com/ (http://www.ecobags.com/)
http://www.eurobags.ca/stock.html (http://www.eurobags.ca/stock.html)
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3324-AA.shtml?lnav=clothing.html (http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3324-AA.shtml?lnav=clothing.html)
www.chicobag.com (http://www.chicobag.com/)
http://usa.envirosax.com/index.php (http://usa.envirosax.com/index.php)
http://www.amazon.com/tag/reusable%20grocery%20bag%20environment%20green (http://www.amazon.com/tag/reusable%20grocery%20bag%20environment%20green)
http://www.greensak.com/ (http://www.greensak.com/) (Says they will have stock in early Nov. '07.)
http://www.reusablebags.com/ (http://www.reusablebags.com/)
http://www.reusethisbag.com/custom.asp (http://www.reusethisbag.com/custom.asp) Custom poly bags (you may prefer natural fabrics) but you have to request a quote? Hah. Well, if you're corporate, you might be interested?Make Reusable Bags and Totes

I might want to make some since I already have bolts of dark green heavy tightly woven canvas material (military surplus maybe?) that I got for a dollar a yard and I have a huge plastic (wince) trunk of outgrown jeans! We'll save the bioplastic bags for garbage and yard waste (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioplastic) (saw some at Menards).

Patterns
Fabrics. Lisa at U-Handblog offers a reusable grocery bag sewing tutorial (http://u-handbag.typepad.com/uhandblog/2007/04/one_of_the_medi.html). Each bag folds up into its own handy carrying case. (She has a page of .pdf bag tutorials, by the way.) I have a trunk of used jeans after housing 7 kids, counting one grandchild (but they'll soon to be two).
Cotton Knit or Crochet Yarns.
This page offers many crochet bag projects (http://crochet.about.com/od/bags/Handbags_Purses_Pouches_Sachet_Bags.htm) because if you think about it, many of our purses and other bags are synthetic and just don't last as long.
Lily offers a members only pattern for crocheted grocery bags (http://www.sugarncream.com/pattern.php?PID=133). Totally awesome. You can opt out of third party interaction, by the way.
http://www.worldknit.com/ (http://www.worldknit.com/) or http://www.yarnsbydesign.com/ (http://www.yarnsbydesign.com/) Buy a kit and knit your own "eurobag"
Plarn. You can even crochet a reusable grocery bag out of plastic grocery bags (http://crochet.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marloscrochetcorner.com%2FPlastic%2520Bag%2520tote.html)and use them before recycling them (our local Wal-Mart started recycling plastic bags again and our Pick and Save has been recycling plastic grocery bags for a while). Some have taken to calling the plastic used this way "plarn (http://www.myrecycledbags.com/2007/02/17/instructions-for-cutting-plastic-bags-creating-recycled-plastic-yarn/)." Here is a whole page of patterns using plarn (http://www.myrecycledbags.com/my-pattern-links/).
Juice Pouches. You can also collect used juice pouches and make totes out of those (http://www.mormonchic.com/crafty/juice-pouch-purse.asp). I suppose you can create insulated bags using these as well.
Various Materials. You can pull up many "instructables" for various types of totes made out of various materials here (http://www.instructables.com/)on "The World's Biggest Show and Tell."

wolfjan1
October 28th, 2007, 05:26 PM
I LOVE Stuff like this. I am working on a reflective windshield protector(the silver ones) to make a bag for my cold and frozen foods. We shall see how that works. I didn't have to buy anything, so this should be fun!

Tanya
October 28th, 2007, 06:13 PM
can't you all buy them for about a buck at the grocery store? Even when I was a poor college kid, i just bought 1 a week when I did my shop, and soon had a reasonable crop... also, i've seen them now in bins at salvation army....for 5-25 cents each...

i'm all for making what you need, but my time spent making them is worth more than what I can buy them for.

With my organization, I'm giving canvas bags away at the momment, I can't be the only one doing it!

you shouldn't have to spend much of anything or make them to get a fairly good collection...

sari0009
October 28th, 2007, 06:16 PM
can't you all buy them for about a buck at the grocery store?

i'm all for making what you need, but my time spend making them is worth more than $1

With my organization, I'm giving canvas bags away at the momment, I can't be the only one doing it!

you shouldn't have to spend much of anything or make them to get a fairly good collection...

Yes, one can buy them at some grocery stores in some places (not where I shop though). Also see the list I added to comment one here, perhaps while you were typing this, he he.

sari0009
October 28th, 2007, 06:18 PM
I LOVE Stuff like this. I am working on a reflective windshield protector(the silver ones) to make a bag for my cold and frozen foods. We shall see how that works. I didn't have to buy anything, so this should be fun!

Considering my three sewing machines, love to craft, and my fabric stashes (my craft area takes up half the basement), I think I'll be making mine, though I can understand the reasoning behind buying too.

I love the ones you can make that store in their own pouch! So neat!

Lyrien
October 28th, 2007, 08:32 PM
Why not recycle your plastic bags into permanent ones?

http://www.myrecycledbags.com/2007/05/18/recycled-plastic-grocery-tote-bag/

You can also fuse the bags together to make fabric for a bag.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/06/diy_plastic_bag.php

Tanya
October 28th, 2007, 08:42 PM
yep i've gotten a few that fold up into a pouch... they go great in my brief case for when I find I'm 'picking a few things up for dinner' on my lunch break

Tanya
October 28th, 2007, 08:44 PM
btw, i've heard of people tearing up plastic bags into strips and knitting them into net bags....

alas.. I can not knit....

:(

sari0009
October 28th, 2007, 08:51 PM
Why not recycle your plastic bags into permanent ones?

http://www.myrecycledbags.com/2007/05/18/recycled-plastic-grocery-tote-bag/

You can also fuse the bags together to make fabric for a bag.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/06/diy_plastic_bag.php

The more plastic we don't create in the first place the better but ...

The first link you gave was within the last link under "plarn" -- you'd choose "Recycled Plastic Grocery Tote Bag (http://www.myrecycledbags.com/2007/05/18/recycled-plastic-grocery-tote-bag/)" from that lovely list.

The second link you gave ... ha ha, no I hadn't seen that one yet but I love wearables. Two problems. Most people aren't going to wear it most places and heating/fusing/melting plastics can create toxic fumes so this project should only be done while wearing the appropriate mask and in a very well ventilated area (most homes don't qualify for the level of ventilation needed) or outside.

sari0009
October 28th, 2007, 08:54 PM
yep i've gotten a few that fold up into a pouch... they go great in my brief case for when I find I'm 'picking a few things up for dinner' on my lunch break

Yes, I'm leaning toward having ones that store neatly in their own pouches. I want to streamline everything, when possible.

Tanya
October 28th, 2007, 09:16 PM
Australia is really agressive about re-usable bags... I saw a signin a big grocery store last week that said

"Green bags aren't green if you leave them at home!"

Its the law here that a person HAS TO ASK for a bag to get one if they purchase fewer than 5 items.

Last I was in the US some idiot at Walmart said, "Its store policy that you HAVE TO TAKE A BAG. Its a marketing thing"

I was thinking OMG your marketing that you're idiots!

I told her I was sorry, "But its my policy NOT TO TAKE ONE," smiled sweetly and added, "And of course, the customer is ALWAYS right."

Theres
October 28th, 2007, 09:19 PM
You can either buy reusable grocery bags (often 50 bucks for a set of 2 to 4 of them) or you can make them.

WHAT?!!!
what are you buying, silk grocery bags?

we use reusable canvas shopping bags almost exclusively, and have done for years. we have 4 or 5 of them, and not one of them cost more than $3.95.
the oldest one (black with a nice celtic knot pattern) is about 12 years old and still going strong.

Theres
October 28th, 2007, 09:21 PM
Last I was in the US some idiot at Walmart said, "Its store policy that you HAVE TO TAKE A BAG. Its a marketing thing".
yet another reason to avoid that place like the plague that it is.

sari0009
October 28th, 2007, 09:32 PM
WHAT?!!!
what are you buying, silk grocery bags?

we use reusable canvas shopping bags almost exclusively, and have done for years. we have 4 or 5 of them, and not one of them cost more than $3.95.
the oldest one (black with a nice celtic knot pattern) is about 12 years old and still going strong.

I'm not buying anything (other than sewing machine needles and thread perhaps). I'll be making out of fabrics I already have that I previously mentioned. Some is army surplus perhaps (thicker than stuff I've seen in fabric shops) and I got it for a dollar a yard. Celtic patterns sound lovely.

But ... people have their preferences and time restrictions so I gave lists for buying or making.

Silk? Yeah, I couldn't believe the prices of some of them either. Actually, some of those expensive sets I saw online were heavy canvas or synthetic. Must always shop around or think things through if one loves saving money, and I do.

Tanya
October 28th, 2007, 09:33 PM
lol yep.... yet another reason the Love America's largest employeer...

some days you just want to bang your head on the counter.....

sari0009
October 28th, 2007, 09:34 PM
Australia is really agressive about re-usable bags... I saw a signin a big grocery store last week that said

"Green bags aren't green if you leave them at home!"

Its the law here that a person HAS TO ASK for a bag to get one if they purchase fewer than 5 items.

Last I was in the US some idiot at Walmart said, "Its store policy that you HAVE TO TAKE A BAG. Its a marketing thing"

I was thinking OMG your marketing that you're idiots!

I told her I was sorry, "But its my policy NOT TO TAKE ONE," smiled sweetly and added, "And of course, the customer is ALWAYS right."

I love that spirit! :)

Tanya
October 28th, 2007, 09:43 PM
yeah, I do like to Australia bash a bit, but its decades ahead of the US on environmental issues, despite our glorious Prime Minister...

I'm sure in the US few people would see the point of my job, here the state government graciously employs me to basically nag the community about water quality issues...

:) its the perfect job for me (my husband likes to remind me)

:) and of course all us water resource people HATE plastic bags.

Lyrien
October 28th, 2007, 10:06 PM
The more plastic we don't create in the first place the better but ...



The second link you gave ... ha ha, no I hadn't seen that one yet but I love wearables. Two problems. Most people aren't going to wear it most places and heating/fusing/melting plastics can create toxic fumes so this project should only be done while wearing the appropriate mask and in a very well ventilated area (most homes don't qualify for the level of ventilation needed) or outside.

When I linked the one about creating fabric, I also pointed out that the new fabric could be used to make a bag. I'd never wear it as clothing, and I don't think most people would either. If the bags are already here, use them to make a plastic bag replacement. THAT was my point.

sari0009
October 28th, 2007, 11:46 PM
When I linked the one about creating fabric, I also pointed out that the new fabric could be used to make a bag. I'd never wear it as clothing, and I don't think most people would either. If the bags are already here, use them to make a plastic bag replacement. THAT was my point.

I'd caution against this fusable method. Melting plastic can be extremely toxic. Whether making bags or wearables by fusing plastic grocery bags, one would have to wear the appropriate chemical mask (disposable filters!) and work in a properly ventilated area (for which most homes do not qualify). Even if you work outside when doing this, I am not sure how good the fumes would be for us or the environment when not done in a green industrial setting.

If I hadn't just recycled my plastic grocery bags, I'd crochet some of them into resuable bags instead.

Brightshores
October 29th, 2007, 07:32 AM
Two supermarket chains around here are selling grocery bags for around 99 cents apiece. I've bought some and have started using them - it makes me feel better than bringing all those bags home. We reuse them to take out the kitty litter, but still - I hate using all that plastic. One of the supermarkets just started it, and it's nice to see how many people are using them already. The other one (Whole Foods) has been doing it for years, and the nice thing about them is that they give you a 5 cent discount for every bag you bring in.

In Ireland they have a national policy of actually charging customers for bags. Apparently it's worked quite well for reducing the volume.

Tanya
October 29th, 2007, 07:40 AM
I think in 2008 that comes in here 5 cents a bag...

Novembers River
October 29th, 2007, 10:27 AM
Only a few grocery stores around here are getting in on the canvas bags. It's sad, but at least it's slowly starting to improve. HEB here in Texas is finally promoting reusable bags.

I also have a few sturdy paper bags that I got at Whole Foods that I reuse. If you don't have any bags at all you can buy a few items at Whole Foods and request a paper bag and they will put your groceries in these nice bags. Then just reuse! They will not last as long as canvas but it's a good option for free and loads better than the plastic.

Lunacie
October 29th, 2007, 10:46 AM
Our local supermarket chain was promoting the use of canvas or other reusable bags and even selling them a few years back. I don't know what happened to that campaign but they stopped training the sackers to use anything but plastic bags. If I take along my canvas bags (which I've been using for about 10 years) they don't have any idea how to load them. But I always use them when I shop at Aldi's where you sack your own groceries.

Zoritsa_Nepenthe
October 29th, 2007, 11:09 AM
Where I'm at,I don't even know where to look for re-useable bags.I've checked the stores near me and can't find anything.When I remember,I do bring in my paper bags to be re-used...but they only last so long.

halfwaynowhere
October 29th, 2007, 01:03 PM
most stores around here sell their own reusable bags... I've seen them at all the grocery stores, some of the department stores, and even petco has them... its kind of nice, but some of them are kind of flimsy looking, and I'd take canvas over that stuff any day...

Lunacie
October 29th, 2007, 02:55 PM
Where I'm at,I don't even know where to look for re-useable bags.I've checked the stores near me and can't find anything.When I remember,I do bring in my paper bags to be re-used...but they only last so long.

I've seen them jumbled in with the suitcases and backpacks and stuff like that at thrift stores... if you have one of those near you.

Zoritsa_Nepenthe
October 29th, 2007, 06:23 PM
I've seen them jumbled in with the suitcases and backpacks and stuff like that at thrift stores... if you have one of those near you.

I'll check around in the ones near me,thanks :)