another question

[Elaine]

I was watching a movie called Dogma....(decent flick, with a chessy ending) and in it Selma Heyak (sp?) plays a muse....at one point she says something that at first I agreed with, but then I got to thinking about it and I wanted some other thoughts on it! She says that it doesn't matter what (diety) you have faith in, as long as you have faith! like I said at first I agreed with that and then thought about it....what about athiests...it's not like their bad people......thoughts?? I'm confused now.....

thanks chryssi1 for bringing more confusion to my life:p
thanks in advance for everyones help!!

[Faery-Wings]

thanks chryssi1 for bringing more confusion to my life


Glad to be of help! :D

My husband, a self proclaimed aetheist, is a wonderful person. He doesn't think he is spiritual at all. IMHO, he is he is just blocking the idea of it. I know he does not like any sort of organized religion and hated any of the Catholic services I had to bring him to (like our wedding!!LOL) But he, in his own way, cares about life and nature, so isn't that faith of a sort?

I would love to hear what some other thoughts are. Either way, I completey respect his beliefs (lack thereof). That is what works for him and he doesn't prohibit mine either.

BTW, We *loved* Dogma! One of the funniest moveis I have ever seen!

Chris
:sunny:

[Lilu]

I :heartthro LOVED :heartthro Dogma! It was a great movie, I really have to get it on video for home.

I wonder if it's not so important to believe in a deity or some other such spiritual existance, as it is just important to have faith in SOMETHING. Even if that something is as simple as faith in the here and now and that we are here to be the best people we can be?

It's a good question! I'll have to think more on it.

:sunny: Bright Blessings
Lilu

[Elaine]

Never thought about it like that Lilu......That makes sense to me.....faith in the here and now.....chryssi1's husband loves her (otherwise they wouldn't be married) and therefore I would believe, has faith in her and in their relationship.....and therefore does have faith in something.....(I hope what I just wrote actually makes sense, I'm having trouble typing what I'm thinking!) :rolleyes:

btw....Lilu, if you have a Blockbuster near you they sell it on VHS pre-viewed for like $5.00......that's where I got mine!! I love that movie too.....what I didn't understand though, was the whole Alanis Morrisette thing at the end.......why her??? They couldn't have found somebody else to play Goddess......I mean anyone else....come on now.......:crazy:

[Fawn]

But who else would have hit the note she did. *giggle*

As long as one believes in something even self then I have no problem with that.

[Elaine]

Mariah Carey:D :p ;) hehehehe

Thanks Fawn, I definately agree with that......I am very content with that thought! You cleared up my confusion!! Thanks
;)

[Shy Hawk]

I loved Dogma, I liked a lot of the symbolism. I also agree that it doesn't matter what you believe in as long as you believe. But, here's my thought, even if you say you are an atheist, I think that there are still things you believe in. To be a believer, I don't think you necessarily have to say you believe in a diety. But, to have the belief in something.
Oh well, I loved the flick. ANd, I think Alanis Morrisette was a good choice because she portrayed a little bit of purity (she has that innocent look) as well as playfullness and a little bit of understatement. It would prolly have been a bad choice to make it someone who was very famous. (my thoughts though)
Love and trust,
Shy Hawk:)

[Elaine]

I remember when Dogma came out...I didn't see it at first, but a girl, my age, with just about the same upbringing as me that I worked with saw it and was insulted......She, being very Catholic, thought that some of the ideas and symbolism were insulting to Catholicism....she said that she would have liked the movie without all of that stuff in it......and I was with Shy hawk and loved the symbolism in it....it was nice because some of it was stuff I was thinking, but would never talk about with people like that girl I worked with or like say, my grandparents! That is why I started to look for another path....I hated that Catholicism was "the right way and only way" I don't like being told that if I think differently than someone else I'm bad! I really get upset with the people that are completely into religion....like, getting in your face telling you you're wrong, trying to change your mind.....a lot of those people go to church on sundays, preach to everyone about what they believe...but then don't treat people or the earth with respect.....and sometimes are just downright mean!! That's the first thing that drew me to Wicca.......no one is in your face about it.....your options are open to believe what you want......people teach, but not persuade.....that's something that's new to me....but it feels so good to feel comfortable in my own mind about what I believe...and everyday I figure things out a little more.....I think I have finally decided my path......and you have no idea how good that feels for me.....(to actually put a lable on it, I guess it would be solitary eclectic christian-wiccan) I have read many different things about different types of paganism and and have found things that I like from many of them, but I still have a few christian beliefs I can't give up...maybe it's still just because that's what I've been conditioned to believe over time....but I will figure that out as I go and maybe one day I won't believe in those christian beliefs anymore as I get more comfortable with wicca......but for now, this feels really comfortable for me believing all of the things I want to believe ...everyone here has helped a bunch with that...you all have shown me that it IS ok to combine beliefs and just be comfortable believing .....being comfortable in my beliefs feels good......thanks so much for everyones help with this so far.....

I don't know how I got going with all of that. I agree that someone more famous would prolly have been a bad choice........I give the movie 2 thumbs up.....as a matter of fact I'm gonna go watch it right now!! ;)

ps......thanks for your patience in reading that long mindless babble.....but it's 11:30 pm and I'm tired and won't be able to go to bed until at least 5am.....it's gonna be a long night!:crazy: :o

[Shy Hawk]

lol, I have considered myself mainly a Spiritualistic (is this a word? lol) Witch for most of my life.
However, I have grown up with a Catholic mother and Muslim father. Both are closet witches (well less now then when I was young and before I was born, they mostly quit their magickal stuff now)...they don't even know that I knew about their secret lives. But, they both come from long lines of Witches, mother comes from Santeria (puerto rican voo doo stuff) of several generations, and my father is from a sect of Islam that mixed with gypsies about 150 years back. Needless to say...it's weird at family gatherings.
I think it's important to hold true to what you believe in. And, I believe in believing in something. Make sense at all?!?!
I have always loved the Earth and I still like the mostly Muslim upbringing I've had. It's exposed me to a lot of different things. And, I agree with many philosophies of it. However, I'm a Pagan. That's me. And, I like it.
I'm not confused, always learning. I accept pieces of several religions, but I remain Pagan at most.
Shy Hawk:D

[Elaine]

My parents and my parents parents...and I'm pretty sure their parents...were all Catholic...so you can imagine how difficult it would be to even just call myself christian instead of catholic.....my grandmother is probably rolling in her grave watching me become pagan!!! but I feel good about myself.....I think she would be proud that I am doing what is making me happy....and not what makes everyone else happy......plus....my family (except my husband) doesn't know about any of this...I don't discuss religion much with them....never really did....Plus, there's a lot going on with my family right now that there's not really time to discuss things like that!! crazy crazy!! :crazy:
what you were saying makes perfect sense....just that you believe is what matters! no matter what, other people can't tell you what to believe in...and as we were saying before, even if you just believe in the here and now, at least it's something and that's what matters! I'm slowly getting rid of my confusion, which feels really good, and can't wait til the day I am as confident as some of the people I've spoken with about my beliefs! It's coming along....

Shy Hawk....are you getting the feeling that everyone has abandoned us...??:confused: :D we're the only ones still babbling!! maybe it's just cuz we're the only ones awake at all hours of the night!!!:o :D