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Aidan
June 21st, 2002, 12:22 AM
Dark Paganism
There are some who find comfort in the shadows,
Who strive to comprehend the mysteries,
Who find solace in the silence of a winter night,
Who sing softly to the crone.
We are the Dark Pagans, children of the Dark Mother.
So often darkness is associated with evil. Since the term evil has no place in a nature-based religion, we Pagans are forced to look beyond such stereotypes.
Evil is a human term. It begins and ends with us. A tornado is not evil, yet it is destructive. Fire can be used to benefit life or destroy it. Nature is neither good nor evil; it simply is. It follows no moral code and has no internal motive. Only humans, with our complicated set of emotions and intellect can justify such categorizations.

Death, destruction, chaos... these are essential driving forces within nature. Life feeds on life; destruction precedes creation. These are the only true laws, and they are not open to interpretation.

When Pagans anthropomorphisize nature into something good and loving, they deny its very all-encompassing nature. When the dark deities are shunned in fear of the unknown, we deny ourselves full understanding of all deities and what they have to offer, leaving us with an incomplete picture.

It is our nature to fear the unknown. We cling to archetypal forms representing the aspects of some great unknowable, all-encompassing force, which we cannot comprehend. We call them our deities. This is not wrong; it is in fact, necessary since we cannot easily grasp the "divine" or cosmic source otherwise.

Some religions choose to see this source as one omnipotent being. However, accepting the existence of an all-good and just being dictates that there must then exist a counterpart that encompasses evil.

Since nature-based religions view the concept of deity in a more polytheistic and/or pantheistic way, the separations of creative/destructive forces are not as well defined. The deities take on aspects of nature or human ideals. Instead of one omnipotent being, we have deities of love, war, beauty, the sun, the moon, the sea... Each deity inherently contains both the creative and destructive forces.

It is through the many aspects of the Goddess and God that we come to learn more about the universe and ourselves. To shun those aspects we fear inhibits our growth. It is a goal of Dark Paganism to encourage those who hide behind the positive aspects of our deities to embrace their fears and learn.

As a life-affirming spirituality, Paganism often focuses on the positive, creative and nurturing forces in nature. It is easy to loose touch with the darker aspects, particularly when we intrinsically fear them. Life begets death and death begets life. Chaos is the fuel of creation. Something must always be destroyed for something to be created.

Those who shun the darker aspects of nature and ourselves tend to fall into what I have heard called "White-Light" or "fluffy" Paganism - Pagans who think life is all happiness and joy and that once attuned to the rhythms of nature, life becomes such wonderful dreams. Many subscribers to the "New Age" movement have this shallow outlook. To them, nature is good and just and ordered.

This simply is not the case. Take these dull-eyed individuals and place them in the wilderness with nothing but their crystals and they will be some animal's dinner before the end of the week. Nature is harsh. It is unforgiving. The weak die or are killed by the strong. Life feeds on life. Even the strictest vegan is a plant killer. Humans, with their technological and medical breakthroughs have "improved the quality life" by distancing themselves from the harshness of nature; softened us from its harsh reality.

However, despite this harsh side of nature, it is not evil. It also has its share of beauty. The point is, nature encompasses both creative and destructive forces. Ignoring the negative aspects results in an incomplete and dangerous view of nature.

It is the goal of Dark Paganism to remind us that there is a darker side to all things and that this darker side is not necessarily harmful and negative. There is beauty in darkness for those who dare enter the shadows to embrace it.

Many aspects of darkness are not as harsh as death and chaos. There is reflection, reverence, change, divination, introspection, trance, autumn , winter, maturity, wisdom, the distant cry of a crow in a forest, a single candle glowing in the night, the cool embrace of the autumn wind scented with the decay of leaves. These are all aspects; these are its gifts. Perhaps it is through the beauty of a sunset and sunrise and the colors of fall and spring that we are reminded of the cycles of birth-death-rebirth and of the importance - the necessity - of each phase.

A Need for Balance

It is important to remember that focusing only on the darker side is just as dangerous as focusing on the lighter side. Balance is important, and even though some may relate to one aspect more than the other, we must always remain open to the other aspects. Life consists of the interplay of these opposites, which naturally complement each other. To discard one aspect is to sacrifice our wholeness and limit our potential.

This balance does not necessarily (and rarely does) mean equality or neutrality. We typically have an attraction to the imagery of one side over the other. Dark Pagans have a connection to the imagery and themes of darkness yet they do not exclude the light. Each path finds balance within itself.

Sometimes when one side becomes unbalanced, the other side attempts to compensate, but in doing so it often throws itself out of balance. I see this with many Dark Pagans who have grown so disenchanted with the "fluffy" variety of Lightside Paganism that they have begun to feel that Lightside Paganism itself is useless and lost.

In Defense of Lightside Paganism

Lightside Paganism in itself is a very viable and powerful spirituality. It may have a disposition towards the positive/nurturing aspects of nature, life, etc, but it is well adapted in acknowledging the darker aspects as well if allowed to.

The problem is that fewer and fewer Pagans are obtaining any sort of formal training and are instead learning from very superficial "Wicca 101" books. Unfortunately this means that many novices from Judeo-Christian backgrounds are reading these books and interpreting them within a Judeo-Christian context. Thus, instead of grasping concepts of polarity and balance, they are too busy separating light and dark as if it is the same as good and evil. Worse, many try to over-emphasize the positive in hopes of combating the stereotype of witchcraft as evil.

There is currently a great imbalance in Paganism. The overly white-light "fluffy" Pagans outweigh the truly balanced Lightside Pagans. Thus the need to stress the aspects of darkness and also why we now have a need to differentiate Lightside and Darkside Pagans.

Being a Lightside Pagan in itself is not a problem since it is simply a personal disposition, just as others have a disposition towards darker imagery. Either way, both sides recognize the existence, and the need for the other. (I.e. there is not - or at least should not be - a war between dark and light Paganism) However, as soon as one decides to deny darkness then that person sacrifices wholeness.

In the same context, just because I am a Dark Pagan does not mean I don't enjoy sitting under a tree watching the animals and birds or strolling barefoot in the grass. It simply means that my overall outlook on life, nature and even spirituality varies from that of Lightside Paganism. Neither is more right. There is no absolute path; each must find the path that best works for them.

Since this book is primarily a reaction to the growing trend towards the unhealthy and unbalanced (also known as "fluffy") form of Lightside Paganism, sometimes it may seem to be a bit harsh towards lightside Pagans, but then again, I want this to serve as a wake up call.

Myst
June 21st, 2002, 12:35 AM
hi. I believe this is better suited for Theology & Philosophy. Blessings.

widukind
June 21st, 2002, 04:59 AM
I didn't know there were Dark Pagans. In my opinion focusing on one aspect of reality is always wrong. To get the whole image, you need all possible viewpoints you can get, but no single aspect contains the whole truth. Dak'kon in Planescape : Torment says it best: "Balance in all things".

Earthcup
June 21st, 2002, 04:21 PM
I'm grey...... :)

Grey
June 23rd, 2002, 09:32 PM
I'm grey......

(posted by earth cup)

Liar I'm Grey...
But this guy makes a good point.
Without darkness how can we see the light.

I suggest reading a book called reave the just (shortstories) there is one in their that shows the situation

Just be careful how "dark" you are..... the balance is one thing stupidity is another (ie. just because you are "dark" you do NOT curse every other person you meet.) Dark arts have rules and guidelines aswell theyre just alot looser than the "lights"

And the axis of neutrality do all things balance

MistOfTheSea86
June 24th, 2002, 12:42 AM
Hmmm... Interesting. I personally believe that everyone has a dark and light side. There are two different facets, you can't get rid of either. You can be philanthropous yet still hate world hunger. Dark Light, Bad good. They are all in us. Following one path radically I believe in the end will karmically show itself to you.
Therefore, there is dark and there is light. But there is no "True" Power of the dark and no "True" power of the light. There are each other. and wouldn't exist without the other.

imo

Amethyst Rose
June 24th, 2002, 10:34 AM
I'm rainbow colored! :D

Seriously though....my personal beliefs are that there is no "color" to a person or magick or paganism, or whatever. No black, white, red, blue, green....whatever.
Everything is all a nice pleasant mix and balance including everything else.... not sure if that make much sense, but oh well.
Nothing bugs me more than when someone says "I'm a white/black witch!" Ick! But that's just me.

Kaylara
June 24th, 2002, 04:37 PM
I don't think that it's correct to call it dark paganism. By your own definition, it would just be paganism. I do agree with just about everything you stated. I don't consider myself a dark pagan or a light pagan. In order for me to be balanced, I'd have to be a gray pagan... But that doesn't really work either.
Personally, I think that a pagan seeks to balance the dark and light within themselves. I don't shun the dark or the light, both are needed.

Kaylara

Myst
June 24th, 2002, 04:56 PM
I agree with Kaylara. To me, noting that you do work with dark energy as well is not needed, and highlighting that you do is almost like people calling themselves 'white witches' or 'fluffies', etc. Don't create another stereotype to combat the first one. Just my humble opinion and not meant to offend. :)

cydira
October 5th, 2003, 08:12 PM
A thought on "dark" arts.

While the working with the more unplesent aspects of life (death, impermanence, destruction, etch) is necessary with this type of spirituality, it is important to remember something here.

There is a reason why all the old tales talk about the dark arts having a high price and it was feared by more then just the Christians of the middle ages. In working with the dark aspects of life, you find yourself coming into very close contact with things that are amoral or of an alien morality at best. It is these things that I find myself concerned about when you mention that you work with dark arts.

There is working with your shadowside, but there are things out there that are not nice by any streach of the imagination and are actually malicious. Why their malice is directed at us, I don't know, but they are there. There's also something out there that for a lack of a better word, I call it evil. There is amoral, there is alien morality, there is even an unmoral stance in life. But this thing that I describe as evil, it defies all of these. It's subtle, manipulative, and seeks to do real harm to as many as possible for harms own sake.

I may sound like a doomsayer, but trust me it is real. Christians may have pointed at it and called it the Devil, immediately accusing us of worshipping it. But it is the thing that the gods, even the dark gods, opposed in the old days. Petty evil, the malice of humanity, is definately created by us. The larger evils of genocide and the driven homicidal malice of various manicas, to mention a small portion of this evil, is not. These are behaviours that are outside the workings of humanity in many respects, even in the mentally unbalanced. You'll find that these people are lacking something that even your dark workings have, a soul. Beware of the people who have no light behind their eyes, they are soul-less for their souls have been consumed by this larger evil.

Tammy Sullivan
October 6th, 2003, 08:43 AM
hmmmm
Well I firmly believe there are those that are born to walk a "dark" path...I call it dark because that is where it hides in most people, the dark corners where we sweep it, and all too often, that's where it stays. I tend to disagree -- to an extent -- about evil being an outside influence, I believe evil to be relative to the person, therefore it is internal....

NightBathen
October 6th, 2003, 01:28 PM
I simply love it when someone comes to one of these forums practicly
begging for us to take interest in what he hopes is about to become a debate on something that although makes a fine beginning to a freshman thesis on metaphysics, holds absolutely no bearing on anything in our existance.

Any who are even the slightest bit learned in pagan ways do not see in black and white, they do not see in night or day, they do not see in right or wrong. They are only concerned with Newton, who I say undoubtably was a witch who hid in the closet for fear of a good old christian cookout. Anywhoo, one hell of a reaction that would be huh.
The goddess is the moon, the God is the sun, and the one is the entirety of the universe who in its vast expance is filled with many light bearing stars, and many vastly empty voids of light. Being a dark pagan is just one more stereo-type I will see at next years pagan pride rally.
This what I just said is a message that any can relate to, there are many pantheons, many gods and goddesses, all with different aspects, a wide erray of talents and attributes, and all in the same wide universe, under one big life giving something that holds it all together.
Let me school you on something boy, I consider myself a child of God, the Christian God, set me out in the woods with nothing but my crystals, and I will eat that animal who was hunting me raw, while pissing on the poor children of its womb. Relishing in the drunket state that will ensue I might go out at rape a dog. At the end of my malicious excursion into the wood, I will rest quietly in the solice that no man, woman or god is going to tell me otherwise because no one is responsible for my actions but me. I will be the only to experiance the karmic repercussions of my ignorance. There is no black and white. It is how far are you willing to go before the shit comes back on you. My friends in this place are not fluffy. They are honest loving people who are intuned with the karmic reprocutions of not only the next life but this one. How many prayer requests have been sent out to friends of Semele? I am an evil mother #@^*er and I still prayed for them, why, because I might deserve what I get, but they didnt, and it is people like you that need to put a face on the ugly,their karma comes back after others have been hurt. That gives other pagans the dark goth waco texas, columnbine trench coat mafia stereotype. I spit on you and the horseshit that I wasted 3 1/2 minutes of my life vommiting over.
And if you want to go into somantics, let us see how your dark gods hold up against a good friend of mine named Baron Semedi.

Tammy Sullivan
October 6th, 2003, 02:06 PM
WHOA! That's a little harsh I think dude.....

Amethyst Rose
October 6th, 2003, 02:32 PM
My thoughts exactly, Zephrina.....

~ Monk ~
October 6th, 2003, 02:40 PM
:huh:

NightBathen
October 6th, 2003, 04:23 PM
Bro, I am going to go ahead and stop you on this one, before the site gods decide to rain thunder and vengeance on a normally quiet, self respecting pagan. True, true, I think that this sad little dark cloud has not the rain to bring to the storm; but the gods are not bowling tonight brother.

Mr Darkness, I speak for both of us when I say that we are glad that you have found your path. However I am sure that you must understand the sensitivity of some of the more practiced raincoats out there who dont feel very retardant to the way you brandish your beliefs like a firehouse at a jailhouse shower party.
The bottom of the noose is not our necks when in your final day you will realize that all those fluffed up sunshine pagans, would have made better company than the nosferatu you hang out with in the sewers. Need I remind you that any book of shadows contains just as many night rituals and rights as it does daytime ones, if not twice as many. Need I remind you that the patron of wicca, the most popular of all newage movements is not a man, but a woman, and she is represented by the moon, in many different sects and pagan religions.
Friend, I think you need to hop off of the folk loar and urban legend band wagon, and go witch hunting, if you have ever met a real one, chances are you were not considered equally met.
As for tornadoes, volcanoes, and whatever else, I have not meet the grand heirophant druid who would have enough balls to compare himself to a natural disaster, or to shell out enuendo that his reasoning for life is the same chaotic force that creates such things, because my dear boy, if you had any grasp, you would understand that the earth doesnt shift because science gives you reasons it would naturally occur, there is a hand there, so no madder how chaotic and unforgiving a tornado may be, someone is breathing life into its coils. Not one thing in your existance does not happen for a reason.

PS- Do not run from my brother like the plague, when he starts making remarks about patron loa, he is just strolling down childhoods memorie's , that is no longer a part of our institution.

mol
October 6th, 2003, 04:41 PM
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