Rosetta Morrigan
November 21st, 2007, 03:47 PM
What are your views on God? Who is he and why does he exist? Or don't you believe in him at all?
--just curious
--just curious
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Eleutheria
December 16th, 2007, 04:38 AM
*Which* god? I'm a polytheist. I don't believe in one single deity. If you're meaning Jehovah, I think he's a tribal deity with serious delusions of grandeur.
Rosetta Morrigan
December 17th, 2007, 10:47 AM
oy, I'm sorry...Satanism-wise...what do you think of the Christian God??? :foopsies:
David19
December 17th, 2007, 06:09 PM
oy, I'm sorry...Satanism-wise...what do you think of the Christian God??? :foopsies:
I'm not a Satanist, but I think there are different views on YHWH, some see him as just another deity, who wants to dominate the world, others have other ways of seeing him.
You may want to read some of Diane Vera's articles, specifically some on this page (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/Muse/index.html), like Summary of my personal beliefs (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/Muse/summary.html) and FAQ about Diane Vera's personal beliefs? (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/Muse/FAQ-DV.html).
Also, check out The Church of Azazel (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/CoAz/) (another of Diane Vera's groups), especially this page (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/CoAz/belief/index.html)and this article called 'Theology of the Church of Azazel' (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/CoAz/belief/theology.html).
Hope this helps, and like I said, I'm not a Satanist so I don't really know how other Satanists view YHWH.
But for my own personal beliefs (as like Eleutheria, I'm a "hard" polytheist), I see YHWH as being a one God amongst many Gods. I don't see him as "evil", maybe a bit power hungry, but that doesn't necessarily make a God (or anyone really) "evil".
I'm not a Satanist, but I think there are different views on YHWH, some see him as just another deity, who wants to dominate the world, others have other ways of seeing him.
You may want to read some of Diane Vera's articles, specifically some on this page (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/Muse/index.html), like Summary of my personal beliefs (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/Muse/summary.html) and FAQ about Diane Vera's personal beliefs? (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/Muse/FAQ-DV.html).
Also, check out The Church of Azazel (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/CoAz/) (another of Diane Vera's groups), especially this page (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/CoAz/belief/index.html)and this article called 'Theology of the Church of Azazel' (http://www.theisticsatanism.com/CoAz/belief/theology.html).
Hope this helps, and like I said, I'm not a Satanist so I don't really know how other Satanists view YHWH.
But for my own personal beliefs (as like Eleutheria, I'm a "hard" polytheist), I see YHWH as being a one God amongst many Gods. I don't see him as "evil", maybe a bit power hungry, but that doesn't necessarily make a God (or anyone really) "evil".
aranarose
December 17th, 2007, 06:14 PM
But for my own personal beliefs (as like Eleutheria, I'm a "hard" polytheist), I see YHWH as being a one God amongst many Gods. I don't see him as "evil", maybe a bit power hungry, but that doesn't necessarily make a God (or anyone really) "evil".
But power hungry certainly makes evil easier. It's awfully hard to be power hungry, without stepping on the little people.
But power hungry certainly makes evil easier. It's awfully hard to be power hungry, without stepping on the little people.
phoenixrising
December 17th, 2007, 06:19 PM
Another facet on the diamond that is diety, a way for us to connect with that which is too complex for us.
David19
December 18th, 2007, 11:45 AM
But power hungry certainly makes evil easier. It's awfully hard to be power hungry, without stepping on the little people.
That can be true, but you can also want power and to dominate the world, for good purposes, in your view anyway, think of Jasmine from Angel, she was a Powers That Be, she came down to this plane 'cause she wanted to create world peace and help humans, but the cost was taking away humans free will and making them basically obey her commands, same with the Avatars from Charmed, they wanted to make a better world and were collecting more power to acomplish that aim, etc.
That's why I don't think power hungry = "evil", IMO, I don't think YHWH is an "evil" God. I don't think we can ever really know what the true aim or aims/plans of any God is, we may have guesses or glimpses, but only they truly know, in most cases anyway.
That can be true, but you can also want power and to dominate the world, for good purposes, in your view anyway, think of Jasmine from Angel, she was a Powers That Be, she came down to this plane 'cause she wanted to create world peace and help humans, but the cost was taking away humans free will and making them basically obey her commands, same with the Avatars from Charmed, they wanted to make a better world and were collecting more power to acomplish that aim, etc.
That's why I don't think power hungry = "evil", IMO, I don't think YHWH is an "evil" God. I don't think we can ever really know what the true aim or aims/plans of any God is, we may have guesses or glimpses, but only they truly know, in most cases anyway.
aranarose
December 18th, 2007, 11:51 AM
But those actions taken by somone "for another's good" became evil. And is it not our actions, above all else, that make us evil or good?
David19
December 19th, 2007, 08:16 AM
But those actions taken by somone "for another's good" became evil. And is it not our actions, above all else, that make us evil or good?
I think it's more shades of gray, like in the examples I used, Jasmine was going to create world peace and, apparantly, make humanity's evolution speed up so we'd enjoy life more (e.g. her closest followers, like Wes, Gunn, Lorne, etc started to develop psychic powers and no doubt the rest of humanity would've done as well), that's technically a "good" action, but she was taking away humanity's free will to choose between good and evil and was also kill thousands or millions to save billions, like Lilah said at the end of season 4, world peace comes at a price, Jasmine knew theat.
Maybe YWHH is a bit like Jasmine, maybe he wants to help us and eliminate danger but doesn't think free will helps (maybe that's why he wanted to keep Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and didn't want them eating the apple?, who knows, but it's an interesting perspective).
I think it's more shades of gray, like in the examples I used, Jasmine was going to create world peace and, apparantly, make humanity's evolution speed up so we'd enjoy life more (e.g. her closest followers, like Wes, Gunn, Lorne, etc started to develop psychic powers and no doubt the rest of humanity would've done as well), that's technically a "good" action, but she was taking away humanity's free will to choose between good and evil and was also kill thousands or millions to save billions, like Lilah said at the end of season 4, world peace comes at a price, Jasmine knew theat.
Maybe YWHH is a bit like Jasmine, maybe he wants to help us and eliminate danger but doesn't think free will helps (maybe that's why he wanted to keep Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and didn't want them eating the apple?, who knows, but it's an interesting perspective).
sunny.spoone
December 21st, 2007, 08:21 PM
My boyfriend is a strict satanist and he does not believe in god. He finds the concept of the Christian god to be offensive. He finds all monotheistic views of the world to be offensive, actually. He finds the belief in multiple dieties more tolerable because he thinks its less egotistical and less controlling in that in the polytheistic view, 'God' isn't some 'power hungry jerkoff' (his words) demanding worship for not really any reason. He explained to me once that my polytheism was much less offensive because there wasn't a single power that ruled over others; it was more of a shared realm and therefore a (albeit false) higher order of equality.
He can be kind of an ass about this sometimes. 8O He considers the true master of the universe to be the individual self. He thinks all gods are the creation of men who felt the need to subvert the power of the individual to gain power over others. He views the bible as mythology and the pope as a manifestation of evil in the world (evil being men with disproportional power over others).
He can be kind of an ass about this sometimes. 8O He considers the true master of the universe to be the individual self. He thinks all gods are the creation of men who felt the need to subvert the power of the individual to gain power over others. He views the bible as mythology and the pope as a manifestation of evil in the world (evil being men with disproportional power over others).
anomalous
January 15th, 2008, 10:07 AM
'God' isn't some 'power hungry jerkoff' (his words) demanding worship for not really any reason.
God for me is nothing like that In actual fact totally the opposite.
\He thinks all gods are the creation of men who felt the need to subvert the power of the individual to gain power over others.
I think your boyfriend is confused with the concept of religion and worship within a dogmatic system.
God to me is a few things, I was introduced to a particular God which I wont openly discuss (very personal) but what I can say about God is that he (for me anyway) doesn't demand worship, more so if you don't want him around he'll just pack up and leave, no argument, no wrath just, your on your own, Good Luck.
Other then the physical prensece the only thing I can say about God is that he is very smart, thats it, too smart, he knows everything and it was like he hit me with a very small amount of his knowledge and left it at that from that day onwards accessing my higher self is just a daily function.
If you take away all the bullsh*t out of any spiritual system, you can call it what ever you like, God, Fred, Godess, Stan, Satan, Marty, whatever path you follow its that same consciousness you access that imparts with you. This Gnosis, this infinite expression, thats all it is, its infinite, one god its 10 gods, its 1million gods, call him Lucifer if it makes you feel any better, who cares, it's the same infinite expression that works across the board.
When you start creating energies which disharmonies from this infinite process, you walk in darkness, spiritualism is the process of building clarity in darkness. God for me is just a term to discribe the light.
God for me is nothing like that In actual fact totally the opposite.
\He thinks all gods are the creation of men who felt the need to subvert the power of the individual to gain power over others.
I think your boyfriend is confused with the concept of religion and worship within a dogmatic system.
God to me is a few things, I was introduced to a particular God which I wont openly discuss (very personal) but what I can say about God is that he (for me anyway) doesn't demand worship, more so if you don't want him around he'll just pack up and leave, no argument, no wrath just, your on your own, Good Luck.
Other then the physical prensece the only thing I can say about God is that he is very smart, thats it, too smart, he knows everything and it was like he hit me with a very small amount of his knowledge and left it at that from that day onwards accessing my higher self is just a daily function.
If you take away all the bullsh*t out of any spiritual system, you can call it what ever you like, God, Fred, Godess, Stan, Satan, Marty, whatever path you follow its that same consciousness you access that imparts with you. This Gnosis, this infinite expression, thats all it is, its infinite, one god its 10 gods, its 1million gods, call him Lucifer if it makes you feel any better, who cares, it's the same infinite expression that works across the board.
When you start creating energies which disharmonies from this infinite process, you walk in darkness, spiritualism is the process of building clarity in darkness. God for me is just a term to discribe the light.
sunny.spoone
January 19th, 2008, 01:18 AM
I think your boyfriend is confused with the concept of religion and worship within a dogmatic system.
I don't think he's confused at all. I think you both believe very different things.
I don't think he's confused at all. I think you both believe very different things.
Stormbeard
January 21st, 2008, 12:40 AM
Your God is dead.
Either he never existed, or he's left you behind.
Either he never existed, or he's left you behind.
Beatnik Bettie
January 22nd, 2008, 01:12 AM
What are your views on God? Who is he and why does he exist? Or don't you believe in him at all?
--just curious
I don't believe the christian god exists. Some people might use Satanism as a way to rebel against the christian church, but I'm not one of them.
--just curious
I don't believe the christian god exists. Some people might use Satanism as a way to rebel against the christian church, but I'm not one of them.
Eternal Night
January 22nd, 2008, 01:28 AM
What are your views on God? Who is he and why does he exist? Or don't you believe in him at all?
--just curious
My view.....God is nothing more than a myth....something thought up to control the masses.
Tell people how to behave.
Back in th eday people were niave enough, didn't know any better so of course they would believe.
Now it's a different story.....people embrace what they were told as wrong and disown your God.....his ideas and 'values' and morals are no longer wanted.
--just curious
My view.....God is nothing more than a myth....something thought up to control the masses.
Tell people how to behave.
Back in th eday people were niave enough, didn't know any better so of course they would believe.
Now it's a different story.....people embrace what they were told as wrong and disown your God.....his ideas and 'values' and morals are no longer wanted.
DoktorSick
January 30th, 2008, 01:26 AM
God is fill in the blank.
We basically know god was created by man
to explain the unknown.Then some caught on to
the side effect hey I use god to control people.
If you read any of the myths god is man with superpowers.
Then if you ask some what there personal belief in god is.
It's come caring thing that does this or that and sometimes if
you make it happy it'll give you scooby snack.
We basically know god was created by man
to explain the unknown.Then some caught on to
the side effect hey I use god to control people.
If you read any of the myths god is man with superpowers.
Then if you ask some what there personal belief in god is.
It's come caring thing that does this or that and sometimes if
you make it happy it'll give you scooby snack.
thought_on_a_wind
February 4th, 2008, 04:06 AM
What are your views on God? Who is he and why does he exist? Or don't you believe in him at all?
--just curious
Just my theorem wrought of thoughts and speculation on the matter.
I don't think anyone accesses that god anymore... I think that ended when the Catholic Church took his name and encrusted it in Gold. I don't think it bides that well to do that to any God/Goddess unless the focus truly remains on the deity in question...
I'd rather not trifle with the whole affair either way... Lest one of the gods or godesses makes it evidently clear that they need me for something, I figure there are many different avenues of enlightenment that don't include subservience to a divine entity (save the higher-self... of course I guess that's just another part of the anatomy[in my opinion])
--just curious
Just my theorem wrought of thoughts and speculation on the matter.
I don't think anyone accesses that god anymore... I think that ended when the Catholic Church took his name and encrusted it in Gold. I don't think it bides that well to do that to any God/Goddess unless the focus truly remains on the deity in question...
I'd rather not trifle with the whole affair either way... Lest one of the gods or godesses makes it evidently clear that they need me for something, I figure there are many different avenues of enlightenment that don't include subservience to a divine entity (save the higher-self... of course I guess that's just another part of the anatomy[in my opinion])
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