Born In The 60s Children-Uranus Conjunct Pluto

[RedRose]

There is an important mini-generation reaching maturity, all born between 1962 and 1968. This is the Uranus Conjunct Pluto mini-generation and they are here to shift the paradigm!

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/uranusaspects.html

Uranus fosters change and innovative breakthroughs. Pluto relates to political power. When these planets are in contact with each other, political structures will be shaken and disturbed in order to allow new methods of government regulatory principles to emerge.

http://www.jung.org/tarnas%20book%20review.html

The most recent examples of Uranus/Pluto cycle are:

1. 1787-1798 - Uranus Opposite Pluto. This was the time of the French Revolution, which Tarnas describes as "an upsurge of tremendous rebellious and liberating energies sweeping the world, with radical change affecting many societies." Also during this time Mary Wollstonecraft's published A Vindication of the Rights of Women. In the US, Britain and France there was the first widespread call for the abolition of slavery. The US Constitution and the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen were written during this period.

2. 1845 to 1856 - Uranus Conjunct Pluto. A wave of revolutionary upheavals in almost every capital of Europe such as Paris, Berlin, Vienna, Budapest, Dresden, Baden, Prague, Rome, Milan occurred during these years. The Communist Manifeso and Thoreau's On the Duty of Civil Disobedience were written at this time. Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman led antislavery efforts in the US and the women's rights movement began with Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony. There were also upheavals in China.

3. 1896-1907 Uranus Opposite Pluto. There was a rise of radical labor movements throughout Europe and North American and also the founding of socialist parties in England, the US, Russia and France. Emma Goldman, Eugene Debs, Rosa Luxemburg, Upton Sinclair and other reformers and radical leaders were active at this time. Other revolutionary activities were the Boxer Rebellion in China, the rise of revolutionary Chinese nationalist movements and the civil disobedience movement led by Gandhi.

4. 1960-1972 - Uranus Conjunct Pluto. This period, as the examples above, coincided precisely with a time of tremendous innovation and revolutionary impulses across the world, with both great social upheaval and liberating change occurring in many countries on the planet. During that time in the United States we had the civil rights movement, the women's rights movement, founding of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, the Freedom Riders, numerous demonstrations and marches, the civil rights acts of 1965 and 1968 and the hippies. There was also civil unrest all over the globe. Tarnas predicts similar upheavals and liberating energies for the next fifteen years starting in 2007 with the square of Uranus and Pluto. The transit will bring about the next evolution of the energies that were started in the Uranus/Pluto conjunction period of 1960-1972.

[Hope]

as requested :)

love
t

[RedRose]

Thank you Hope,

Eager to study you most unusual folks!

Stay tuned.

RedRose

[RedRose]

Here is an article about Uranus-Pluto conjunction written by the Papa of modern astrology his-self, Dane Rudhyar, in the 60s. Read the whole thing, this is just a sample juicey part:

http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/at/at_c3_pp4.shtml

The Uranus-Pluto conjunction in the critical sign, Virgo — which seems to refer so well to our college-bred intelligenzia, whether young or old — is now confronting the Saturnian classes which hold still dominant power and constitute the now so sharply and vehemently criticized "Establishment." And this confrontation is taking a very drastic aspect, a thoroughly world-wide revolutionary aspect.

A conjunction of Uranus and Pluto is essentially a mind-transforming "influence." It refers to a situation which demands a very basic and thorough change of mind. Until 1930 Pluto of course was not publicly known to mankind. Its power was more related to the collective unconscious than to any conscious will to change. But now consciousness is focusing deeply compulsive drives through ideologies, opinions, slogans which can move the multitudes — and modern media of communications involve the whole of humanity in such apparently insignificant events as a protest of college students in Berkeley or Columbia University.

Uranus and Pluto symbolize in a rather fascinating manner the atomic bombs or reactors using uranium or plutonium. They represent even more broadly our whole technologically-controlled society, our computerized business and (soon) education, our T. V. determined political Elections, In every field of human activity and individual responses, these technological procedures, and the mentality which both gave them birth and has been spreading everywhere as the result of this technology, have produced a radical transformation of human values and ways of life.

In Greek mythology Ouranos was the primordial power that rules over the vast expanses of space. Pluto, at a later phase of development, became the symbolic ruler of the depths of existence. In astrology today Uranus is the great power of transformation which has its beginning in a descent of creative energy from spiritual heights of being; while Pluto is the power of the Underground and, the generic Unconscious, the subterranean energy which brings all superficial constructs and all man-made institutions to the atomized condition of dust or humus, yet which performs this catabolic task as a prelude to a new kind of integration and potential rebirth.

A conjunction of Uranus and Pluto is therefore a kind of union of height and depth. Uranian creativity allied with Plutonian revolutionary disintegrative force becomes a ruthless and relentless force. Today it symbolizes the growing power of those elements in our society which have judged our technological and White-dominated society worthless, and condemned it to chaos — a chaos believed to be a necessary condition for the emergence of a truly new mentality and society. This is what many of the rebellious youth in Paris, in May 1968, proclaimed; and indeed what so many people in our nation more or less vocally (and most often quite confusedly) claim — whether they be student activists or Negroes intent on exercising by all possible means "Black Power." And the confrontation with the Saturnian Establishment and its police-force or army goes on, and may well grow far stronger and widespread, even if controlled for a while by the frightened mood of a still overwhelmingly large majority seeking to retain at any price their security, their gains and their suburban comfort; which means inevitably a kind of more or less overt military dictatorship or "Fascism."

The massing of seven planets in Virgo at the New Moon of August 23, 1968, plus the solar eclipse of September 22nd on the last degree of Virgo — and other astrological indications of a more transitory nature — add their very powerful testimony to those already mentioned. They suggest that large-scale events and crucial changes may well be in the making. Our twentieth century began under a near opposition of Uranus to Pluto. Indeed Neptune and Pluto, emerging from their 1891 conjunction, were pitted in Gemini against all other planets in Sagittarius; and the New Moon of December 2, 1899 had seven planets in this last zodiacal sign, with Jupiter just about to enter it.

We are living indeed in a "schizophrenic" century — a "Civil War of Man"; and the opposition of Saturn to the conjunction of Uranus and Pluto has simply been bringing to the fore more vividly than ever the confrontation between two types of mentality, between the haves and the have-nots, between generations. Perhaps as Uranus and Pluto form again an opposition during the twenty-first century, the issue will be even more definitely settled, and what remains of the old world will give way before the rise of a New Age, the Aquarian Age.

In order to understand what is meant by such a new Age, we have now to study the vast cycle of the Precession of the Equinoxes, and to consider the rhythmic, cyclic processes which affect not only human civilization, but the entire planet, Earth — and especially the earth's biosphere, within which all living beings are born, struggle for self-maintenance and self-expansion, and die, reabsorbed into the Plutonian physical and psychological humus which will once more be food for new generations.

[Lorrie]

I was born in 1963, the day Kenneday was assassinated even. November 23, 1963.

[RedRose]

Hi Lorrie,

Welcome. You can generate your horoscope at: http://www.alabe.com/freechart/
Then post it here and we will take a peak!

RedRose

[RedRose]

http://www.elsaelsa.com/archives/tag/uranus-pluto/

In the sixties we did see new ways of being; the pill gave sexual liberation, revolutionary art, poetry, music and fashion. However, having observed my fellow peers with Uranus conjunct Pluto in Virgo there is a deep conservatism in this bunch. Like the Virgo is private and this group can keep their radicalness private and not on display. Some friends (of this group) have very mainstream, suburban, straight lives on the surface - but dig a little deeper and there will be an (one ?) aspect of their lives that is very naughty, risque and/or potentially criminal, experimental, creative. Many choose safe lives on the surface whilst being underground mavericks.


William W. Hewitt - 1992 - Body, Mind & Spirit -

Uranus conjunct Pluto This occurs about every 115 years, affecting an entire generation. In individuals, it can confer some psychic ability.


http://www.wstardesigns.com/Horoscopes/generations.html

"The techno-punks," 1963-1969 (Generation X-a) (Uranus conjunct Pluto in Virgo; Neptune in Scorpio) It was said that the "punks" were the hippies of the eighties. This group is free-wheeling, impulsive, clever and resourceful, but more hard-nosed and cynical than the baby boomers were. They grew up in a declining society with little moral direction, and so have been called "the new lost generation" (the old was the group of "seekers" born during the Neptune-Pluto conjunction). They were labeled "Generation X" because they were so unsure of their identity or purpose. Despite having to grow up as "brash, pragmatic, suspicious, skeptical, selfish, sharp-eyed survivalists," this group has enormous creative potential once they find something to believe in. The first children of the computer age, they will undergo many personal upheavals and changes. Great scientists, artists and revolutionary political leaders could emerge from this group. Examples: Lisa Bonet, Kurt Cobain, Gary Coleman, Rob Lowe, Marla Matlin, Sinaid O'Connor, Luke Perry, Jason Priestley, Kiefer Sutherland.

http://www.astrology.com/examples/new/front1/nobt.html

Uranus Conjunct Pluto:

You were also born during a period that lasted approximately
5 years and is characterized by extreme restlessness and an
impatient, dynamic attitude towards life. You are part of a
group of people who can be explosive and even violent in their
reactions to situations. You do not tolerate being restricted,
and your age group rebels with force and anger against
oppressive situations.

[Lorrie]

OK, let me see if this will work.

[Lorrie]

I have only been able to understand the basics of this stuff, but I love it. I can pretty much understand the influences of the different aspects, but that is all I have been able to grasp. Maybe it will come to me now, I was never able to understand herbology stuff, and it has now become my passion. I have no problem understanding it. I guess it just has to be my time in life for this to sink in.:T I figure there must be something weird in this day, due to the assassination.

[dani]

redrose, i find this information just fascinating.

i look forward to continued reading. ;) thanks for sharing!

[Lorrie]

Yeah, it makes us " old geezers" feel like we actually DO have a purpose in life!!!:T

[Lorrie]

Uranus Conjunct Pluto:

You were also born during a period that lasted approximately
5 years and is characterized by extreme restlessness and an
impatient, dynamic attitude towards life. You are part of a
group of people who can be explosive and even violent in their
reactions to situations. You do not tolerate being restricted,
and your age group rebels with force and anger against
oppressive situations.


I just got to sit down for a few minutes to read this thread over good:

OK, that is so close to me it bit me hard. Mess with me, oh well. Mess with my family, I will do whatever it takes,( including almost punching a minister- who is now a dear friend!) to protect what is mine. I mean I was so mad, Jamie cried, she thought I was going to kill the guy, I was just going to hurt him a little- he had stolen several items of hers and my sons out of the place they were renting from him- huge misunderstanding, minster had to learn what his wife really was I guess. Just in time for he and his son to reconcile before the sons death.
The rest of it is right on the money also. I was one of the first to be a single parent, with TWO kids, with DIFFERENT fathers. My grandmother disowned me even!:T This was not accepted yet in th early 80's, yet several other girls in my class ended up being single parents later from what I have heard. We began the *GASP* single parent generation!!!:TBut, yeah, I see almost work for word of these posts in me, good and bad. Yep, I accept my shadow side completely, whether I like it or not. I tend to take care of the underdog, and will befriend and protect them like a mother lioness.:smash:

[Shatril]

OK, let me see if this will work.

Oh look, she has a great chart also. She has intercepted signs, and has Sun, Moon, Mars and Venus in the signs. Looks like she has lots of work already done. This probably isn't a first life experience for her.

:hugz: Shatril

[Shatril]

Yeah, it makes us " old geezers" feel like we actually DO have a purpose in life!!!:T

You are not allowed to use the term old geezer for yourself until I'm dead, and I ain't leaving soon. You have plenty of life to live yet. You haven't even had your second Saturn Return, so face it, you're still a spring chicken.

:hugz: Shatril

[Lorrie]

Oh look, she has a great chart also. She has intercepted signs, and has Sun, Moon, Mars and Venus in the signs. Looks like she has lots of work already done. This probably isn't a first life experience for her.

:hugz: Shatril


If all those words mean I have had lots of "learning experiences" then oh, yeah. I think most people on Whats On Your Mind have got to think I have quite the imagination, or lie alot, or maybe am just a drama queen. I have had many people tell me that they could never live through what all I have.
And, I have been trying to find ways to learn about past lives, for some reason it is really pushing at my mind the past several months now. I just found some tarot spreads yesterday for them and printed them out to try. I have had a deep feeling that things were so tough last life that I committed suicide, I have been close to it many times because life gets so stressful and overwhelming, I feel like I just cannot take any more. I kinda think that I took the easy way out last time, so this time I have twice as much to handle, lessons MUST be learned, no matter what it takes to do it, and if you don't learn the first time, well the second is gonna be really bad. This is why I am very careful when people are going through stuff. They may have a lesson to learn, and I do not want to interfere and make it worse on them the next time around. I will send strength or comfort, but not try to take away the experience.

[Lorrie]

You are not allowed to use the term old geezer for yourself until I'm dead, and I ain't leaving soon. You have plenty of life to live yet. You haven't even had your second Saturn Return, so face it, you're still a spring chicken.

:hugz: Shatril


:gagged::gagged::gagged: Oops. It's more of a joke than anything to me, with so many young 'uns on this forum!!! I have the feeling this life is far from being done with me yet!!!_whistle_

[Shatril]

If all those words mean I have had lots of "learning experiences" then oh, yeah. I think most people on Whats On Your Mind have got to think I have quite the imagination, or lie alot, or maybe am just a drama queen. I have had many people tell me that they could never live through what all I have.
And, I have been trying to find ways to learn about past lives, for some reason it is really pushing at my mind the past several months now. I just found some tarot spreads yesterday for them and printed them out to try. I have had a deep feeling that things were so tough last life that I committed suicide, I have been close to it many times because life gets so stressful and overwhelming, I feel like I just cannot take any more. I kinda think that I took the easy way out last time, so this time I have twice as much to handle, lessons MUST be learned, no matter what it takes to do it, and if you don't learn the first time, well the second is gonna be really bad. This is why I am very careful when people are going through stuff. They may have a lesson to learn, and I do not want to interfere and make it worse on them the next time around. I will send strength or comfort, but not try to take away the experience.


Well I'm told that the intercepted planets and signs are work that is already done, so those are good things. I've also been told that suicides generally come right back to life right where they left off the last life. Yeah suicide would certainly lead to what the Buddhist call Samsara, which is repeated unsatisfactory lives until you reached Buddhahood, and Nirvana.

I'm glad to see that you have the strength to face what must be faced, and the wisdom to not interfer when you have a path to walk. Just remember that you can always come here for a good shoot of support and energy.

:hugz: Shatril

[Shatril]

:gagged::gagged::gagged: Oops. It's more of a joke than anything to me, with so many young 'uns on this forum!!! I have the feeling this life is far from being done with me yet!!!_whistle_

Well that is exactly how I feel about the whole thing. EVERYONE almost is younger than I am here, and I was just joking with you about that. Some days I feel much older than on other days. :rollingla

Shatril

[Shatril]

Here is my son's chart. It is rectified, as they didn't record the time, and I was really out of it for the birth. I just don't remember lots of what happened there. I am not terribly objective so I don't know how well I rectified it. LOL, like the Leo on the cusp of the second house doesn't seem to fit, but that may be only my opinion.

:hugz: Shatril

[Lorrie]

Well that is exactly how I feel about the whole thing. EVERYONE almost is younger than I am here, and I was just joking with you about that. Some days I feel much older than on other days. :rollingla

Shatril

I turned 44 last Friday, but I aged at least ten years in the past year.:spinnysmi And then you have the fact that somehow over the past several years, someone has made time go much faster than it used to...........:smileroll

[RedRose]

Hi Dani!

This stuff fascinates me too! You an astrologer?

RedRose


Hi Lorrie,

Not everyone gets to have Pluto in the Sky transitting over their Sun and stellium, while squaring itself (and Uranus) this life! Two good things about that.

1. It is over! Pluto is still conjuncting your Venus a bit but it is over.

2. You learned tons and it empowered you.

If you could please post your scope in the Interceptions thread, that would be great. We are still trying to figure exactly what your Sun, Mercury, Mars, and Venus intercepted might mean. I will also use you as an example in the Ascendant's thread here soon. Leo Rising, Sun in Sag, with Moon in Aquarius is extremely idealistic and passionate for justice.

Focussing on that Uranus/Pluto conjunction, that Super-Duper-Power your whole mini-generation got blessed with, it is in your 2nd House. One thing this means is surprising increases in wealth and surprising decreases in wealth.

See how the cusp of your Second House is in Leo? Leo is ruled by the Sun with is (intercepted) in the 5th House, which is all about love affairs and also children and also about self-expression. Now everyone with this Uranus/Pluto conjunction has it in the sign of Virgo. Virgo is ruled by Mercury, so it is good to figure out what House Mercury is in, to see where this generational BOMB (Uranus conjunct pluto in Virgo) is going to go off! In your case, Mercury is also in the 5th house!

Upheavals in money, land, love affairs and kids! How classic!

But again, with Pluto in the sky FINALLY moving away....whew! Holy holy, mercy mercy. You made it.

The following dates are a bit loose because I simply ran an animation program to get at them, but then Pluto moves slow, so they are close enough.

In 1989-ish Pluto conjuncted your Neptune.

1995ish Pluto conjuncted your Sun

1999-2000ish Pluto conjuncted your Mercury and squared your Uranus/Pluto conjunction - BOOM!

2004ish Pluto conjuncted your Mars!

2005ish Pluto conjuncted your Venus

Now Pluto is FREE of conjunctions until your SN circa 2013-14. if you haven't figured out your past lives before then, this will probably make them very clear! It should be a "good" aspect, though dramatic, of course!

RedRose

[Lorrie]

Does this mean I won't feel so suicidal any more????????_inabox_ It's been really really rough!!!:smash: I kinda wish I knew before that this stuff was all causing the chaos, I think it would have made it easier to live with knowing it would come to an end eventually!!!! I should have asked for this to be done a long long time ago.
*WHEW*

[Lorrie]

I am not quite sure where the Interceptions thread is, is it the one that says Topic For Discussion?
I had started following the lessons a while back until life went crazy again. This and herbology are the two things that I have always wanted to learn, but just could not understand. Now I am even working with herbology, so maybe it is now time that I can begin to understand this too.
So far I have used all the links that were in one thread on Past Life spreads, I have only been able to sit and look at it for a few minutes before grandkids want my attention.No, they're not a bit spoiled!!!:T I went through and printed each spread to do as I could, did a really quick glance and put them up before the kids tore them to pieces. I am also just getting to re-read the previous post, and all I can say is WOW. No wonder I sound like such a drama llama!:smileroll

[dani]

Hi Dani!

This stuff fascinates me too! You an astrologer?

RedRose
hiyas redrose! it's nice to meet you officially.

no, i'm not an astrologer and though i do have a keen interest in this subject, actually it was the info you posted that caught my attention.

let's just say that it sort of sounded a few bells. (..but not beltones! :P)



pm sent. ;)

[Hope]

This is a great thread, I can't wait to be moved in enough to sit and read through it!

thanks!

love
t

[RedRose]

Hi Hope,

Yes, this aspect makes your whole mini-generation very volatile when pushed - WARRIORS. It being in Virgo, you don't get mad fast nor do you seem like "deviants". You all "pass" but actually you are all super psychic, in all sorts of different ways, depending on what House the Uranus/Pluto conjunction shows up in.

RedRose

[Hope]

I totally agree with the ability to be a warrior --- it is something that is there, waits for when it must come forward.

People often confuse being a warrior as one who can not walk away, or picks fights or such. When in truth being a warrior is about using other tools first and knowing sometimes you will have to "fight".

love
t

[RedRose]

Hi Dani,

Nice to meet you too. This is a great thread. Need more scopes though. If anyone knows someone in their 40s, post their scopes. These folks are revolutionaries.....secret agents. A whole mini-generation of women and men who you dunna want to mess with. They are coming into their worldly power now, and we are depending on them!

Scopes! More scopes!

RedRose

[Lorrie]

Hi Dani,

Nice to meet you too. This is a great thread. Need more scopes though. If anyone knows someone in their 40s, post their scopes. These folks are revolutionaries.....secret agents. A whole mini-generation of women and men who you dunna want to mess with. They are coming into their worldly power now, and we are depending on them!

Scopes! More scopes!

RedRose


Oooooo, we is SOMEBODY'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:boing::boing::boing:






:T:T:T:T:T:T

[RedRose]

Lonnie,

Right on and yes, this is not the time to commit suicide...though with Uranus conjunct Pluto in the 2nd House you could be the type to chain yourself to an old growth Redwood tree or something.

Uranus/Pluto conjunct in Virgo, with Neptune in Scorpio. One of the things your generation has done is birth the Pluto in Scorpio generation (in their late teens and early 20s now), and they are something too. Pluto LOVES Scorpio. If that generation can open their hearts (Scorpios have trouble with this one), then it will be full kundalini ON.

RedRose

[RedRose]

Shatril,

You son famous yet? With Saturn conjunct NN at the MH this may happen in later years, but it is fated , according to astrology, to happen. Does he know?

RedRose

[Lorrie]

Lonnie,

Right on and yes, this is not the time to commit suicide...though with Uranus conjunct Pluto in the 2nd House you could be the type to chain yourself to an old growth Redwood tree or something.

Uranus/Pluto conjunct in Virgo, with Neptune in Scorpio. One of the things your generation has done is birth the Pluto in Scorpio generation (in their late teens and early 20s now), and they are something too. Pluto LOVES Scorpio. If that generation can open their hearts (Scorpios have trouble with this one), then it will be full kundalini ON.

RedRose


My kids were born in 81 & 82 :T

[Shatril]

Shatril,

You son famous yet? With Saturn conjunct NN at the MH this may happen in later years, but it is fated , according to astrology, to happen. Does he know?

RedRose

More like infamous, but yes he has the potential, just not necessarily the ambition. I think he is just cruising in this life for the time being.

:hugz: Shatril

[RedRose]

Hi Shatril,

With Saturn conjunct that NN on his Aris MH, he is bound to be a late and sudden bloomer. He has a lot of artist indicators, and Cancer Rising are usually very sweet and committed to the heart, at heart. They can hide, of course. Taurus Moons are WONDERFUL - best huggers ever. And his Moon is Trined his Uranus/Pluto conjunction in the 3rd House...he will follow his heart and BOOM, he will be in the thick of his destiny one of these days. Kids? Does he have kids, or work with them?

RedRose

[Hope]

Lonnie,

Uranus/Pluto conjunct in Virgo, with Neptune in Scorpio. One of the things your generation has done is birth the Pluto in Scorpio generation (in their late teens and early 20s now), and they are something too. Pluto LOVES Scorpio. If that generation can open their hearts (Scorpios have trouble with this one), then it will be full kundalini ON.

RedRose

Now that is very interesting I have one that was in 88 and another in 89

smiles

love
t

[Shatril]

Hi Shatril,

With Saturn conjunct that NN on his Aris MH, he is bound to be a late and sudden bloomer. He has a lot of artist indicators, and Cancer Rising are usually very sweet and committed to the heart, at heart. They can hide, of course. Taurus Moons are WONDERFUL - best huggers ever. And his Moon is Trined his Uranus/Pluto conjunction in the 3rd House...he will follow his heart and BOOM, he will be in the thick of his destiny one of these days. Kids? Does he have kids, or work with them?

RedRose

He has two boys 16 & 12, and of course they are perfect. He also coaches the baseball team for the young one.

Shatril

[RedRose]

Hi Shatril,

Aries MH! I just posted a question about your son's NN/MH conjunction in the Northnode/MH thread.

RedRose

[RedRose]

Have you all seen this?

The Mom Song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxT5NwQUtVM

RedRose

[Shatril]

:rollingla:rollingla:rollingla:rollingla:rollingla:rollingla This is just too funny, and soooo true. Have you all seen this?

The Mom Song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxT5NwQUtVM

RedRose

[RedRose]

Hi All,

The 60s mini Generation that has Uranus conjunct Pluto in Virgo has been experiencing a square to Pluto- in-the-sky. This next year Saturn-in-the-sky will conjunct their Uranus/Pluto conjunct. This generation is currently in their 40s and most have not been able to buy houses etc.

RedRose

[Lorrie]

Hi All,

The 60s mini Generation that has Uranus conjunct Pluto in Virgo has been experiencing a square to Pluto- in-the-sky. This next year Saturn-in-the-sky will conjunct their Uranus/Pluto conjunct. This generation is currently in their 40s and most have not been able to buy houses etc.

RedRose


Or did and lost everything because of it.

[Lorrie]

I have a question that I have wondered about for years now. I was born with a Jupiter retrograde in Aries. What dies this mean, or where can I find a good link to learn about it? my chart for it says" 9 Ari 45.30 r"

[Lorrie]

I wasn't quite sure where to post this, this looks like the place. I have been reading up on this Chiron subject, and just now dawned on me.
Chiron is almost DIRECT opposite Pluto and Uranus in my 8th house in Pisces. I am now scrounging to find info on this, but once I saw it, I was drawn right in to explore this.




Running short on time, every free chart place I have found quickly in search doesn't show Chiron. So, I will describe it the best I can. My 2nd house is where I have my Uranus and Pluto. Uranus is at 9.51, and Pluto is at 14.05, (they are in Virgo )
Across from this in Pisces I have Chiron at 10.14 in the 8th house. Kids will be here soon, so I have to give up trying to find a chart, sorry! I had no idea some of the free charts pull disappearing acts!:T Now you see it , now you don't!

[Shatril]

The chart is gone Lorrie. Need to get that done somewhere that doesn't have an expiration.

:hugz: Shatril

[Lorrie]

(tried to edit, had no luck, described it instead!) ^

[Lorrie]

What do ya know, I did finally find some info on this:
http://www.ericfrancis.com/planetwaves/sixties.html


" When astrology books sum up the Sixties or people born in those years, they're usually talking about a rare conjunction between two outer planets, Uranus and Pluto, an event that peaked in 1965 and 1966, and which had effects that ripple through time between about 1959 and the early 1970s. The Uranus-Pluto conjunction has occurred just twice in American history, with the previous time being in approximately 1850. But besides happening in the modern world, there was something very different about the Uranus-Pluto conjunction of the Sixties, which was the presence of an as-yet undiscovered planet, Chiron.

Uranus and Pluto were together in Virgo. Across the sky in Pisces was Chiron, though nobody would know this until 1977, when it was discovered. These are all slow-moving, distant planets, so the pattern held for much of a decade. The basic energy was one of opposition, but also the balancing of a polarity. This quality of opposition/balancing is crucial to understanding the historical threshold of the Sixties, and the charts of people born there -- and also vital to understanding what is happening today, since, astrologically, our current year relates more directly to the Sixties than any other time since."



He has 3 articles dealing with this. When there's a curious Lorrie, there's usually a way!!!!:T I hate leaving learning unlearned.:fpraise:

[RedRose]

Great stuff Lorrie,

I love Planet Waves! I am waiting until this MarRx and Pluto/Jupiter into Capricorn period has moved on a bit before actually putting out a MW advertisement aimed at inspiring those born during this conjunction to post charts here for further study.

The Uranus/Pluto conjunction happened between 11-22* Virgo. At the end of 2008 Saturn in the sky will CONJUNCT this famous 1960's conjunction. You can bet we will be tracking this aspect!

Below are some descriptions of T. Saturn's impact on a WHOLE MINI-GENERATION - everyone in their 40s now!

Sounds like you are on the right track Lorrie; trick is to create some radical chances for yourself and true independence, but do in a well planned, slow and steady manner.

RedRose

http://www.cafeastrology.com/saturntransitaspects.html

Transiting Saturn opposition Chiron

Misunderstandings and clashes with superiors, authority figures, or administrative personnel is likely during this period. Traditional rules, guidelines, and procedures in your work situation may no longer feel suitable for you to follow. There is a desire to break away from outdated practices and work methods which inhibit your productivity and success. You may simply not wish to conform to other people's demands and expectations in either your professional or personal life at this time. It might be very difficult to hide your frustrations and disappointments now and you may do something quite out of character which threatens the security and stability of your personal relationships or job conditions. Be aware that other individuals may use guilt, denial, put-downs, and rejections in their dealings with you. To avoid unnecessary discord and disagreements now, you will need to be aware of the proper channels and conduct you must adhere to in your professional and private life.

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/transitsSaturn18.4.htm

Saturn Transits in Aspect to Natal Uranus:

Uranus rules our urge for independence and innovation. Saturn makes for restriction. It’s not that obstacles to your hopes and wishes suddenly appear. Most likely, they’ve been there all along. When a stressful aspect (conjunction, square, or opposition) from transiting Saturn hits your natal Uranus, you start to notice them. You now have two apparent choices: give in and be depressed, or rebel and risk disaster. Naturally, no matter which planet you choose to follow, the other one will “get you”. But there is a solution. You have to mix the traits of both planets at the same time. Make far-reaching changes in your life now (Uranus). But do it in a well planned, orderly, and structured way (Saturn). Don’t expect the changes to be either quick or easy. You have be prepared to stay there for the long haul. One caution. Don’t try to do too much. Under Saturn transits, we sometimes try to work 25 hours a day, and eight days a week. A little rest every now and then won’t kill you. As usual, the harmonious aspects (trine and sextile) from transiting Saturn are easier to deal with. Changes can be made more smoothly when these hit. The problem with the harmonious aspects, however, is that they don’t have the same sense of urgency as the stress aspects. We can feel too comfortable and not get anything done. Be sure to check the houses that Saturn and Uranus rule in your birth chart. These are the ones that have either Capricorn or Aquarius on the cusp (beginning). The tensions and need for change can affect you in the areas ruled by those houses, as well as the house where Uranus is located and the house that Saturn is transiting through. For example, if you are born with Uranus in your 5th House and transiting Saturn is making a square aspect to it from the 2nd House, it may be time to save for your kids’ college education (5th House rules children and 2nd House rules money) or to join gamblers anonymous (5th House rules gambling and speculation as well).

Saturn Transits in Aspect to Natal Pluto:

Pluto rules deep and hidden things. Like a volcano, they can build up pressure, unseen and unsuspected until an explosive burst. Saturn is restriction, but it also tends to bring problems to the surface. When Saturn transits natal Pluto with a stressful aspect (conjunction, square, or opposition) the people you meet are not likely to be of the highest caliber, especially those governed by the house that Pluto is in, or the house that it rules (the house with the sign of Scorpio on the cusp). For instance, if you are born with Pluto in your 3rd House (siblings and neighbors) any long simmering disputes you may have with a sibling or neighbor will tend to come to a head. Make an extra effort to solve the problems without letting things get out of hand. Saturn can be bitter and Pluto explosive. There doesn’t even have to be an old dispute. It could also be that either you or they are just “venting” an internal problem. In any event, the people you attract now may not be underworld characters, but they might as well be. Make an extra effort to avoid power struggles. This transit makes it more likely for them to occur. The harmonious transits (sextile and trine) can be very helpful. Pluto is great power and Saturn is focus and discipline. Schedule extra work. You will be able to accomplish more when this one hits. Actually, if you can keep the stressful aspects from exploding, you can accomplish a lot with them as well. After all, stressful aspects do increase power, especially the square.

[Lorrie]

Hehehehehe, yes, I have something wonderful ahead for myself for once. I am soon getting a reiki attunement. I am so excited! :boing: It will benefit others, I have spent my life taking care of others, but it is also because I have wanted this for so long. I feel it will add more to my spiritual path, and help me to grow. I am quite excited about it, as you can probably tell. I am about to take of for a small shopping trip, without kids! I must have really looked bad, my son made arrangements to make sure I had the day off. :T THAT doesn't happen much any more!
Maybe I am crazy, but I am actually looking forward to the conjunction. I am excited to see what is in store. I am excited to see what this whole year will bring, and that we get to witness it all.:hahugh:

[Lorrie]

I am not quite sure where this fits in yet, but I have been very puzzled by the knowing I have the natural ability to heal, and have also found this in my birth chart information. I love to help others, make people smile and laugh and feel good. Problem is I am so much of a hermit that I do not quite understand how this all fits together. I have taken a strong liking to Aquarius Papers, and this morning as I was browsing topics, I find this:
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http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrology/2008/02/the-way-of-budd.html#more

"This dilemma of choosing the inner versus the outer is part of an age-old duality all of humanity has sought to resolve for centuries. To use a timeless metaphor to describe this "choice," it could be called the difference between the so-called "Way of the Buddha" versus the "Way of the Bodhisattva." One is inward and transcendent, the other outward and compassionate.
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We learn these with every experience we go through. It seems fairly easy to see how we walk both of these paths at different times, each playing off the other yet standing on its own as feeding our enlightenment. If we wonder whether we should go into retreat for any long period of time, I believe if we have important questions concerning outer things and how to perfect them, that would imply it's not yet time to go monastic as a life style, though of course a short period of solitude and contemplation is probably useful to sort things out and see it all as an interconnected whole."


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So, now I feel like I am not so weird now! Next is to find just where I fit into this. The article points to where Saturn is located, and also mentions the 12th house:

"All of us have a 12th house, showing the energies and times for us to retreat to see things as a whole and retire from old patterns preparing for new experiences. While it is very important to know when to retire from parts of our world, we cannot retire from the world simply to escape into our private world, refusing to contribute to our world's improvement. To paraphrase the wisdom of the I Ching, when we retire it must be for the purpose of realizing the higher aspirations of humanity within us. At some point, the Way of the Bodhisattva will call us to distill our realizations into forms where we can lessen the suffering in our world, however we can accomplish that."


The only thing in my 12th house? North Node. I find this fascinating, since that of course points once again for the lessons of life. Oh, and my Saturn is in my 7th house in Aquarius, but I haven't looked at that yet.

It seems like every day I find something new and fascinating to explore. I am a happy Sag when I can learn more!:boing::boing::boing: but then often feel remorse when life drags me away into the things that must be done and I have to leave my haven of learning to take care of business.:fpraise:

[Lorrie]

I also just noticed, today is my first reiki attunement. I have Chiron sitting just about on top of my natal Saturn in Aquarius, 7th house.
Chiron has been my Patron for several years now, ( Matron Danu, I have the compassionate mother and the wounded healer!) the wounded healer, as I am a wounded healer too. I have severe nerve damage in both feet from a construction accident 8 years ago, I have permanent damage, have to be very careful to not be on my feet too much or I make the damage worse. I have to wear these ugly socks and take pain meds for the rest of my life, and am not supposed to work unless no standing or walking. This is why I am working at starting my own home businesses. No place wants to hire someone with high risk health problems, I have a high risk also of skin cancer at the sites of these burns which are on the tops of my feet and around my ankles, I fell into an underground pit of caustic. It had been left uncovered in the winter, iced and snowed over, couldn't tell it was there.
Anywho, here I am running at the keyboard again. Kids will be here in a few minutes, I am bummed because I want to continue this new finding. :lol:

[Lorrie]

Maybe another sign of the times?

"If you think the 60's generation is fading into the background of history, this next story might change your mind. "


http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=89042

:T

[Xander67]

I was born in 1967, during that conjunct and also there was some kinda wacky trine going on as well...