In what kind of situations would you use black magick?

[PrincessKLS]

Like when do you find it neccessary?

[Rick]

Magic has no color.

[TheWomanMonster]

I don't seperate magic into black + white.

what sort of ritual or spell are you considering to be 'black magic'?

[The Amityville Ghost]

The closest thing I can think of to what you're describing is what the Temple of Set folks call "black magic." But their idea of "black magic" isn't the stereotypical idea, it's more like the Sethian stream of Greco-Roman hermeticism with a bit of Thelema thrown in for spice. (That is to say, the purpose is to expand and strengthen the individual psyche, that it might continue to exist after the death of its body by pure force of will.) They identify this as "black magic" because they see it as magic in which the magician seeks to make his own higher Self a God, rather than allow his Self to be dissolved into or brought under the power of another God. Or, to put it much simpler terms, you might say their formula is "My will be done" instead of the traditional religious formula, which is "Thy will be done."

Of course, I disagree quite a bit with the Setian worldview, most especially with their tendency to divide everything into some dualistic "right hand path versus left hand path" scheme, when they aren't even using these terms in their original Tantric contexts. ("The left hand path" actually has the exact same goal as the "right hand path," they just have different methods of getting there.)

Is this what you mean? Or are you talking about the more stereotypical stuff, like hexes and what-not?

[PrincessKLS]

Is it neccessarily black magick to banish family members from your life that are toxic and may actually use black magick on you?

[gillian_greenleaf]

I try to follow the rede and believe in the threefold law. I would suggest a protection spell rather than one that would do harm.

[Bettie]

I believe in doing whatever is necessary to get the desired outcome as quickly and easily as possible. Call it black, white, or purple magic, I don't care. It's just a label.

[The Amityville Ghost]

Is it neccessarily black magick to banish family members from your life that are toxic and may actually use black magick on you?

You didn't really answer my question, but I guess you are indeed referring to the more stereotypical idea of "black magic." I think what you mean, more specifically, is magic applied for negative results.

I'm not a believer in magic myself, but I have conversed quite a bit with some self-described "left hand pathers" who describe what they do as "black magic." From what I know of their path, they would probably tell you that it shouldn't matter if it's black magic or not. If somebody has an unstable influence in your life and you don't like it, you have a right to get rid of them somehow. (Within the confines of the law, of course.)

I should point out, however, that even the most hardcore "left hand pathers" I've talked to have said that you have to be prepared to pay the price for what you want when you perform a working for it. You can't just throw negative energy at someone and not expect it to have some kind of adverse effect, they've said. It is a literal application of the phrase, "Be careful what you wish for."

The most popular example would be Anton LaVey. Now I don't subscribe to LaVey's ideas myself, but a lot of self-described "left hand pathers" do, and many of them take his word on these things. LaVey claimed to have cast a curse on Jayne Mansfield's boyfriend or husband back in the 1960's, so that he could get rid of the guy and have Jayne for himself. After he threw the curse he kept warning Jayne to stay away from the guy, but she wouldn't listen. She and her husband ended up dying in a car wreck a few days later. (From what I understand, the claim that she was decapitated in the accident is a myth, though she did suffer major head trauma.)

I don't really buy this story, and I tend to think that people who do are too superstitious for their own good. But a lot of left hand pathers apparently believe it's true and cite it as evidence that you best be careful what you do with "the darker powers."

So if you're really in to this, I would ask yourself if it's really worth doing what you're thinking about doing. If it is, more power to you. If it isn't, think of some alternative.

[PrincessKLS]

Yes, I get that there's karma involved but someone who's been walked on by them and hurt so much, wouldn't it be justified to do black magick and the victim could have a more positive life due to the evil that resided in their lives?

[The Amityville Ghost]

I don't know enough about the situation to offer an opinion of what you should or shouldn't do, and I'm assuming you want to keep it private, otherwise you'd have elaborated by now. I think this is something that you need to decide for yourself.

Whenever I am in trouble I always resort to good ol' fashioned prayer. Hasn't failed me yet.

[EvieLee]

I have done a ritual to banish a family member. I found it completely necessary when I had exhausted all other options, including police intervention and restraining orders, but short of physical violence. In general, I only turn to rituals of any kind as a last resort.

Edit: For clarification, that's " short of physical violence" as in, short of throw a brick through his kitchen window, not that he ever did me physical violence. He was far too smart for that.

[aranarose]

Who said magic has no color? :lol: It's true. Before doing any magic, I consider the following things:

1. Is it what I really want? Am I sure? Or is this just an impulsive reaction to someone else's actions?
2. What timing would make the spell strongest? - This serves to cool off any impulsive actions. A day or two waiting for better timing gives me time to think things through. And if it's an emergency situation that requires immediate action, it's usually too late for magic, because magic takes time to work.
3. What are the potential consequences of the spell/work? - Granted, we can't know all of the potential consequences, but we can look ahead and see some of them. Love spells are a bad idea not so much because they're trying to bend another's 'free will' but because of the doubts and insecurities that result in the person who cast the spell. "Is he only with me because of a spell...." etc...
4. Are you willing to accept all of the consequences, even the ones that you can't foresee? If the worst possible thing were to happen, would it be worth it to you?

[Meadhbh]

I don't think that magic has a color. As for what I would do, it really depends on the situation. I know thats vague but I can't look at a situation and say this is how I would react. Because until I'm dealing with it I can never be sure.

[Brigid Rowan]

So, Im assuming by black magic you mean "stuff that is naughty, or bordering on something Darth Vader might find fun to do"..or "you wont see this stuff at a fluffy bunny convention spell class"..lol..

Im practical. I say if you have an issue with someone, mundane solutions should be used first, and given time to work. It doesnt count if you let the mundane stuff only have half a shot for a measely day or two (not implying you have done this, just speaking in general).

Assuming, and I dont assume in this case, mundane measures fail, I'd move to protective measures. And I'd avoid the person like the plague. And if that fails, Id rethink my skills and approach to it all, because unless you are going head to head with a very sneaky mage who has nothing better to do that harrass the daylights out of you, and who stalks you and has done nothing at all that you can point to, and would make others realize this person is a jerk, the mundane/shielding/avoidance should have solved a lot of the issues.

So, IF you cant avoid the person, and IF you cant get help on a mundane level, and IF you cant shield against them...why would you assume you could do "black magick" against them and have it turn out well? It might backfire. Are you prepared for that possibility? Think on it, and if you are...well, ok then.

I have found almost always, there is a mundane fix to most mundane problems. Shielding and defensive stuff helps a lot too. It is a rare thing to need to do offensive magic, but sometimes, the need arises...

You just need to make sure the need outweighs the possible problems you may inadvertantly create.

[~Owl~]

I try to follow the rede and believe in the threefold law. I would suggest a protection spell rather than one that would do harm.


Although I am a 3rd Generation Pictish witch, and NOT Wiccan, I agree with this opinion.

That's all I have to say.

[Windsmith]

After Labor Day.

[PrincessKLS]

:lol: Funny :)

[Rick]

Is it neccessarily black magick to banish family members from your life that are toxic and may actually use black magick on you?
No, it isn't

[Xentor]

I don't discriminate between magic based on colour. I use that which works.

[Philosophia]

I will do anything to protect my loved ones (family and close friends) from harm. This means I will do any ritual work but only after all mundane actions have been exhausted.

[David19]

The closest thing I can think of to what you're describing is what the Temple of Set folks call "black magic." But their idea of "black magic" isn't the stereotypical idea, it's more like the Sethian stream of Greco-Roman hermeticism with a bit of Thelema thrown in for spice. (That is to say, the purpose is to expand and strengthen the individual psyche, that it might continue to exist after the death of its body by pure force of will.) They identify this as "black magic" because they see it as magic in which the magician seeks to make his own higher Self a God, rather than allow his Self to be dissolved into or brought under the power of another God. Or, to put it much simpler terms, you might say their formula is "My will be done" instead of the traditional religious formula, which is "Thy will be done."

Of course, I disagree quite a bit with the Setian worldview, most especially with their tendency to divide everything into some dualistic "right hand path versus left hand path" scheme, when they aren't even using these terms in their original Tantric contexts. ("The left hand path" actually has the exact same goal as the "right hand path," they just have different methods of getting there.)


While I really liked your post, to be fair, I think most of the people at the Temple of Set know that their definition of the Left Hand Path isn't exactly how most people in the Hindu and Buddhist Tantric Left Hand Paths practice, a really good book to get is 'Demons of the Flesh' by Zeena Schreck and Nikolas Schreck (http://www.amazon.com/Demons-Flesh-Complete-Guide-Left-Hand/dp/184068061X), it's quite a cool book on Left Hand Path sex magic, it has a lot of historical information and is about how the Left Hand Path manifests itself in the west. They do mention that one of the Hindu Left Hand Path Tantric practicioners accused them of "black magic" when they said that they goal was to help the soul/psyche into a individual deity, not absorbed back into Brahman/God/the Godhead/whatever/etc.

So, I do think the Temple of Set is part of the Left Hand Path, just not exactly the same as the Hindu and Buddhist versions (in fact, I'd say the Temple of Set is one of the few actual Left Hand Path organisations in the western world, despite the number of people who say they are part of the "Left Hand Path", who most are just using it to sound cool, or to be scary or are part of some New Age style "Left Hand Path").

BTW, sorry for going OT towards the end ;).

Also, if you want to read 'Demons of the Flesh', send me a PM and I can tell you where to download it if you want :) (or anyone else who wants to read it).

[Sethserpenthus]

If you mean harmful magick, I will use it whenever I feel really threatened quite frankly. If I feel like I could be threatened I will use protection magick. If I feel in danger, I've no qualms with cursing someone's sorry face.

[HedwigHarfang]

Is it neccessarily black magick to banish family members from your life that are toxic and may actually use black magick on you?

Not as long as you do it without any physical, mental or emotional harm coming to them. No joke, but it is how I keep my future mother-in-law from cashing in on the fact that she knows me as a personal relation.

I am suspicious of people who say magick has no colour in that there are limits to what you can do without endangering your spiritual make-up, alienating your guides and angels or jeopardising your soul. BUT unless you have real intent to harm people it is all right to curse someone to leave you alone or do something they otherwise wouldn't. I would never curse someone, for example, to vote for me; that is wrong and anti-democratic and would alienate at least one and probably all my guides as well as my higher self. But I would curse them not to be able to rig me out of any election I stood in. (Fraud is widerspread here than it looks (http://assembly.coe.int/main.asp?Link=/documents/workingdocs/doc06/edoc10993.htm).)

I use magick to hold people off from doing harm to me and my friends unless they are absolutely overpowering me physically. It is very difficult to use magick to hold off six thuggish policeman while they are burning your house down or bundling you into a police van in handcuffs, but then again perhaps it is better sometimes to let people do their worst so you can bring them to some sort of justice, natural or otherwise, later.

[Brightshores]

Is it neccessarily black magick to banish family members from your life that are toxic and may actually use black magick on you?

I think there's a difference between using rituals to simply detach people from your life, and using rituals to actually hurt people, even if they've hurt you in the past.

Defensive, protective magic intended to keep people out of your life is one thing - I have done this and would do it again if necessary, and I don't think it's unethical. Offensive magic intended to get revenge and inflict injury is something else - this I personally would not do.

[Rosetta Morrigan]

I personally believe that negative/black magick should never be used for any reason. Instead, I'd reccomend you do a banishing ritual...not one that kills or harms anyone ofcourse, but just one to tie some ends up and send these folks on to the next stage of their lives and out of yours! Remember: two wrongs don't make a right!

[EvieLee]

I personally believe that negative/black magick should never be used for any reason. Instead, I'd reccomend you do a banishing ritual...not one that kills or harms anyone ofcourse, but just one to tie some ends up and send these folks on to the next stage of their lives and out of yours! Remember: two wrongs don't make a right!

I think that's part of the point - according to some definitions banishing rituals can be considered "negative" or "dark" because they interfere with that person's free will.

I think it's a matter of perspective - to get rid of someone from a person's life can be considered healing and beneficial to that person, but harmful and compromising of morality to the other.

[Rosetta Morrigan]

yes, i suppose banishing is "grey magick" because it does affect another's will but when one's intentions toward you are negative you need to protect yourself. Speaking of protection, why not try a protection spell???

[mtpathy]

Like when do you find it neccessary?

any "color" of magick, regardless of intent is considered against someone's freewill
if cast outside of yourself.
defining whats outside of self however is a tricky proposition as we define ourselves
and experience the world around us through the same senses.



beautiful irony....