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Laisrean
December 13th, 2007, 08:51 AM
The Wii came out about a year and a month ago and yet for all this time it has been constantly sold out EVERYWHERE. If you look on Amazon or Ebay there are scalpers selling them for ridiculously high prices. It is the strongest selling console and has now become the market leader.

Now, how could this be? I thought Nintendo was "kiddie"? Isn't that what teenage boys have been telling us?

I'd say the Nintendo haters have gotten what they deserved and now must suffer the indignity of a "kiddie" company being #1. :hehehehe:

It is just like the mid to late 80s all over again! :smile:

Myzterio
December 13th, 2007, 09:24 AM
Baffled? No. Nintendo appears to be deliberately keeping the number of consoles short to create the appearance of a hype. It's a great marketing ploy. ;)
They don't need it, mind, the console can pull its own, but it'll likely help, or they wouldn't do it.

Diashto
December 13th, 2007, 10:03 AM
...not according to recent news stories. Nintendo is producing 1.8million consoles per month... and still selling out. They were anticipating demand going down over the summer, and it never did.

http://www.wired.com/gaming/hardware/news/2007/11/wii_shortage

They've even go so far as to pull all the Wii advertisements, replacing them with the more-available DS ads:

http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/item/58871/258/262/3

I think Nintendo just underestimated the demand for the thing... they wanted to break into the as-yet largely untapped Atari/Pong generation with their next-gen console.. and instead got the Nintendo, Atari, and stick-ball generation all at once. People realized that you dont -have- to be a gamer to enjoy this console... and so non-gamers are trying to find them as well as the gamers.

Am i surprised? Nah. I think Nintendo should have planned better, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

Tullip Troll
December 13th, 2007, 10:07 AM
I offered to buy a demo I was so desperate for one this yule. No one will sell the demo.

Laisrean
December 13th, 2007, 10:13 AM
I agree with Diashto that there isn't any conspiracy in regards to the shortages. I don't think it makes much sense to withhold your product from people who want to buy it. Either the demand is there or it isn't, and I don't think a shortage is going to increase demand for something.

If anything, Nintendo would want to sell as much as possible right now while the demand is as hot as it is. The point of a business is to sell products; not to prolong shortages...

EDIT: One other thing; if this conspiracy theory of prolonging a shortage really works out, then why the heck doesn't every company do things this way?

Myzterio
December 13th, 2007, 10:32 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a conspiracy theory, it's just a marketing ploy. And, true, demands remain unexpectedly high, I'll grant that they simply underestimated the demand as it is now. I'll ask my Nintendo-freak friend about more information this evening. Either way, as it stands now, I'm not surprised. The Wii is more interesting by far than the PS3 and Xbox, if you ask me.

Prolonging a shortage would not be the point of Nintendo, it would have been useful at first to create the idea of a hype, which has - obviously - been accomplished. By now they should be pumping out as many as they can just to supply everyone.

Either way, I'm happy, I have been supplied. ;)

aranarose
December 13th, 2007, 10:40 AM
1.8 million units is a month is probably the limits of their current production methods. That's a whole lot of Wiis.

CoolJ
December 13th, 2007, 12:01 PM
I'm somewhat :eyebrow: that Wiis are still selling on Amazon and Ebay for up to and beyond 600 USD (I was looking last night)... but I knew before it came out that it'd be a success.... I love my wii to death, I don't even see the point in an Xbox or PS3 since I have a high end PC and all the best games are coming out for PC anyway....

aeroeng
December 13th, 2007, 01:37 PM
I think one thing that's making the game console a success is that pretty much all of it's games are of the type where you just sit down for a half hour to an hour and play for a little bit without being locked in for hours (unlike MMO's). Combine that with a relatively (depending on the game) easy control scheme, and now you can market to everyone, not just 12-30 year old males. The average person doesn't want to play video games for hours on end, but rather short bursts. Plus, the games are great for a party or group.

Having said that, I'd like to see a few more games come to the Wii that offer that "hours on end" gaming option. I'm sure Smash Bros. will accomplish that though :-) Also, I'd like to see more 3rd party developers put more time into the motion controls rather than either just adding it because it's there and a gimmick, or not spending enough time to make the controls tight, accurate, and intuitive.

I'm also pissed that I missed the Circuit City BF special for Mario Galaxy for $35 :-(

blithespirit
December 14th, 2007, 01:11 AM
We were FINALLY able to afford one in October. My husband went to seven different places, and lucked out when one game shop had a used one. I can only imagine how hard it is to find one now!

And no, I'm not surprised. I've been a Nintendo fangirl since my first NES way back in 5th grade. I've passed the Mario love to my children. (Seriously. My 7 year old beat Mario Galaxy in 2 weeks, with big breaks in between.) :hahugh: I'm ecstatic for their continued success.

Laisrean
December 14th, 2007, 03:04 AM
I think it is hard to label Nintendo as "kiddie" anymore since all manner of adults are playing the Wii and the DS now, thanks to Nintendo's marketing and attempts to make games that appeal to these markets. There are even elderly people who play it, and many of them never even touched a video game before in their lives...

So yeah, Sony and MS might appeal to people between 15-25, but that's about the limit of their appeal. Their targeted age group is less mature than Nintendo's targeting of everyone, so that makes them the "kiddie" ones actually.

In my opinion, M rated games that revolve around killing prostitutes and stealing cars are actually very Immature and not Mature at all....

mtpathy
December 14th, 2007, 03:54 AM
my lifes to busy to sit on the couch and play ps3 or xbox360, instead i like to
throw my ds and psp into my duffelbag along with my books throw it over my
shoulder and get in a few puzzles while im on lunch break at work, or inbetween
classes at school.

LadyLuthien
December 14th, 2007, 02:39 PM
To be honest, I am not really. I think their time was coming again. I worked for Game stop last spring. We had about 20 calls a day asking for the wii. It's an awesome system that can meet almost any age group. The 360 is also a pretty impressive little machine. But sadly, sony and the ps3 did pretty poorly. That's what I was surprised about.

blithespirit
December 14th, 2007, 06:24 PM
I think that Sony shot themselves in the foot with that $600 price tag. However, now that the price has come down a bit, sales are bound to pick up.

Phoenix Blue
December 14th, 2007, 06:32 PM
I think that Sony shot themselves in the foot with that $600 price tag. However, now that the price has come down a bit, sales are bound to pick up.
Too little, too late, methinks.

CoolJ
December 14th, 2007, 08:00 PM
Unfortunately, the PS3 is just a litttle too much.... Sony lost on both ends, they charged less than the hardware's worth! So they lost a lot of money last quarter...

aluokaloo
December 14th, 2007, 11:33 PM
what's to be baffled about? They've been going strong since I think the 80's right? They just keep better and at the top of their game! Pardon the pun. Besides almost eveerything is uber expensive when it's new. And I've loved nintendo since I was a young girl, and the fact that they keep all the classics while still continuing to put out brand new games is what makes me love nintendo even more! I've never had to worry about finding all thegames from my childhood. Especially zelda and mario!!!

aeroeng
December 17th, 2007, 01:36 PM
Nintendo is behind most of the big innovations in the home console gaming. They were the ones that introduced the "D-pad", with the NES; they put joysticks on conventional controllers with the N-64. I think the only reason the playstation even exists is because Nintendo originally partnered with sony to create a CD based system. Now they have the motion controls with the Wii. Not only that, but they are able to put out a product that most people can afford, that they actually make money on, but is still powerful enough to play a good quality game.

kotu
December 30th, 2007, 05:50 AM
baffled? no!

nintendo have always been the best. and always will be. probably

Terra Mater
April 27th, 2008, 12:38 PM
Over a decade ago, Nintendo lost a stage of the gaming wars that took them until the Wii to catch back up on.

When the gaming companies were scrambling to come up with the "ultimate" disc gaming system, Nintendo approached Sony to develop a CD-ROM add-on, tentatively titled the "SNES-CD".
The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Show) (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshi_Yamauchi) read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines.

After the collapse of the joint project, Sony considered halting their research, but ultimately the company decided to use what they had developed so far and make it into a complete, stand alone console. As a result, Nintendo filed a lawsuit claiming breach of contract and attempted, in U.S. federal court, to obtain an injunction against the release of the PlayStation, on the grounds that Nintendo owned the name. The federal judge presiding over the case denied the injunction and, in October 1991, the first incarnation of the new Sony PlayStation was revealed.

It did not take long for Nintendo to realize they had made a big mistake. It was not their first and has not been their last. The development of the Wii and the shortsightedness of how popular it would be is another, though not nearly as costly to them as the SNES-CD turned out to be. The popularity should have been obvious, as this was the first time a game system had been developed that required a little more than button pushing for game play; many games require physical activity. Parents whose children spent a lot of time gaming could now get their kids engaged in a physical activity as well. Adults who had a touch of gamer's spread could feel better about their gaming time as well.

For every excellent idea Nintendo has, they usually have a loser one to match it, but even the loser ideas have added to their success. Who here remembers the Virtual Boy? Another great Nintendo concept that failed to deliver, the Virtual Boy was premeried in 1995 and production was discontinued the following year.

Short supply that artificially inflates the demand for its game systems is standard for Nintendo and one of the keys to their success. The NES, SNES, Game Boy, N64, and even the defunct Virtual Boy were released in numbers that only met 20% of the premiere demand and said levels are maintained for the first two years of production.

The rest of their success is chalked up to name recognition. Good or bad, nothing Nintendo has produced has ever been met with yawns, though a few got boring quickly. They hold many of the longest running game series and have kept Mario the most recognizable video game character of all time. Mario has appeared in over 200 video games since his creation. Though originally only appearing in platforming games, currently Mario appears in all types of games like racing games, puzzle games, role-playing games, fighting games, sports games, and many others.

At a time when everyone was devoted to improving home gaming, Nintendo threw themselves into pocket sized portable gaming and redefined the pocket sized portable gaming system. The concepts Nintendo has created to market its own brand of play redefined several stages of the gaming market.

Unlike the other companies producing gaming systems, Nintendo has always been about gaming. When the company was started in the 1950's, Nintendo was a playing card company. Nintendo is the big kid on the block when it comes to gaming, they are the oldest and the boldest at taking risks with their games and the systems they have created to play their games. Other companies may rise above them in sales, but they will never beat the history.

Infinite Grey
April 27th, 2008, 12:59 PM
i don't think its right, personally to say it in spanish or any other language. the exception would be the exchange students, they are here for one year to learn our culture, not to change it or take it away. hell, if they don't want to say it they don't have to. but the Spanish already get enough concessions. road signs are in spaninsh, labels are in spanish, books are in spanish, they get to go to Pre-K because they speak spanish, they already get to say the pledge in spanish if they choose to.
i live in a country whose founding document was written in english, the founding fathers, most bilingual, mainly spoke english. the spanish have been given enough, i already feel like they are trying to breed us out.
i do agree that the people in Wisconson are going too far by calling for the firing of the teacher and the super. and harassing the super is totally uncalled for too.
i guess it wouldn't be soo bad if they weren't trying to change everything to spanish. you don't see the chinese, the french, the russian, or any other immigrant groups trying to do it...my last questions for the school board is this: "are the other language classes allowed to do the some thing?" and "do they offer other languages."
BTW, i live in the houston, texas area and that's my 2 cents...




The Wii came out about a year and a month ago and yet for all this time it has been constantly sold out EVERYWHERE. If you look on Amazon or Ebay there are scalpers selling them for ridiculously high prices. It is the strongest selling console and has now become the market leader.

Now, how could this be? I thought Nintendo was "kiddie"? Isn't that what teenage boys have been telling us?

I'd say the Nintendo haters have gotten what they deserved and now must suffer the indignity of a "kiddie" company being #1. :hehehehe:

It is just like the mid to late 80s all over again! :smile:

Nintendo has been dropping the ball since the 64, it's about time they took the lead again.

What I am surprised by is the continue success of the PS3 - it should have gone totally bust, but I guess the fanboys are just THAT devoted. I mean seriously, it can't compete with the 360 in pure graphical grunt - especially because of the price - it missed the Christmas opening, and hasn't really produced any spectaclar games.

Actually that's the one beef I have with the WII, WHERE ARE ALL THE GAMES!?! There are a few good ones, but the bulk of the gaming experience is filled with mini-games that are good for mindless fun at most. Yet again, it's strongest title is the Mario games, I'm sure that horse is zombified by now.

The 360 is just a typical example of Microsoft stupidly cutting production costs, but after a few generations it should settled down. And come on! Halo 3!!!!

I want Sega back!

WokeUpDead
April 27th, 2008, 02:51 PM
The price may have something to do with it.

aeroeng
April 28th, 2008, 12:46 PM
What I am surprised by is the continue success of the PS3 - it should have gone totally bust,

I want Sega back!
Well, the PS3 does have the best baseball game available for any system (imo). You also can't discount the anticipation for Metal Gear and also FFXIII.

I also enjoy the built in blu-ray player.

Still love my Wii too though.

Gwenyvier
May 5th, 2008, 05:24 AM
One reason that the Wii has been in short supply in the states is also the weak dollar. The price is set, so the company makes X off of each unit sold. It makes perfectly good business sense to send only what they have to here and send the rest to Europe where the Euro is worth a considerable amount more and they in effect make more money off each unit sold.

US price was(and still is) $250
Euro price was(and again still is) E179(approx $277 currently)

Tis only a $27 difference but multiply that times a million, or even a couple hundred thousand and...

The games are pretty good, but like for any game system have to weed through the meh ones. The big titles: Mario, Mario Kart, Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Super Smash Bros, are all really fun as you'd hope their front running titles would be. Geometry Wars Galaxies, Zelda Crossbow Training( comes bundled with the Wii Zapper, kinda reminds me of Duck Hunt), and NiGHTS are all really fun also. And can of course play the Gamecube games and the download games on it too. :)

http://www.notdoppler.com/flashgeometrywars.php Flash version of Geometry Wars


Yet again, it's strongest title is the Mario games, I'm sure that horse is zombified by now. Hehe.... zombie Mario game... now that might be interesting... kinda like a cross between Resident Evil and Mario maybe?

Oh, for anybody that liked the 2D flying shooting games I recommend looking for a rare game for the Gamecube called Ikaruga... fair warning its insanely hard. As in making it past level 3 on Easy is doing very very good.

Laisrean
May 5th, 2008, 09:34 AM
I've always been a Nintendo fan. One of my missions this summer is to find a Wii (for the original price and not one of the ridiculous prices on eBay).

I was lucky and found 2 of them in Sears one time and got mine then. That was actually the only time I've ever seen a Wii in ANY store before or since. Of course, I don't go to video games stores very often, so maybe they do have them more often than I think. But my advice is, you would probably have better luck at some place where video games aren't really a big thing, because the scalpers tend to avoid those places and you might find one... and Sears is a good example of a place like that. They do sell games, but most people don't think to look there for Wiis. 8O

Otherwise, you could also do what so many others have done and camp out on the days new shipments arrive. :uhhuhuh: But I personally think the shortage is probably going to end soon and then it won't be such a problem... probably in a few months the supply problems will finally be taken care of.

CoolJ
May 5th, 2008, 09:39 AM
I got extremely lucky when I got my Wii, I was just walking by the store when a UPS truck was parked outside... Sure enough, I bought a newly shipped Wii :)

Laisrean
May 5th, 2008, 09:45 AM
I got extremely lucky when I got my Wii, I was just walking by the store when a UPS truck was parked outside... Sure enough, I bought a newly shipped Wii :)

Haha. There's a lot of stories like that. I think it makes people appreciate their Wiis more... meanwhile, you always see 360s and PS3s on store shelves collecting dust...

This thing about the Wii being sold out for like a year and a half since launch is unheard of, as far as I know. Sure, many consoles are sold out for a month or two after launch, but who ever heard of one being continually sold out for this long?? And yet, despite the shortage Nintendo has managed to sell 25 million of them. So in less than a year and a half Nintendo has sold several million more Wiis than it sold Gamecube's over that system's lifespan.... it's mind-boggling.

5 years from now, if this sales pace holds up, they'll probably have sold 100 million or more... :woah:

CoolJ
May 5th, 2008, 09:52 AM
Yeah.. :woah:

For a while I called every store in NYC to see if they had a Wii in stock, and it was that one chance that I got it!

Though, yes, it was pretty easy for me to just walk into the store and pick up a PS3 :lol:.

IMO It's a better value than the 360, over time. You need that remote to play the (abandoned) HD-DVD format, fees to play online, etc... it all adds up. More personally, I prefer the Sony exclusives, and since I have a high-end PC and most 360 exclusives make their way to PC I can play them anyway.

Laisrean
May 5th, 2008, 11:31 AM
As for Blu-ray, it seems the 360 will have such a player available for it in the 3rd quarter of this year. That was announced recently, I believe. Not at all surprising, since HD-DVD failed.

But it really doesn't matter to me, because I don't even have one of them new-fangled $10,000 HD TVs, so I couldn't benefit from it anyway. I just care about the games... graphics aren't a big deal.

CoolJ
May 5th, 2008, 12:03 PM
I play through a CRT :lol:

To be honest the Wii controls get old with me, I absolutely adore the PS style controls, I'm glad they never changed it.

aeroeng
May 5th, 2008, 01:41 PM
But it really doesn't matter to me, because I don't even have one of them new-fangled $10,000 HD TVs, so I couldn't benefit from it anyway. I just care about the games... graphics aren't a big deal.
$10,000?????? lol.... now that made me laugh pretty good. Thank you.

Yeah, they still cost a chunk of change (depending on size/brand/features), but I'm really happy with my LCD. On a side note, My electric bill is a bit less too!