The Changing World

[Darius Asgaroth]

Hello everyone. Through the last couple monthes I have taken note of many changes within my clans territory. Many new groups have been showing up and watching my people. One group is the slayers that I have seen before many times. They are witch hunters and are considered dangerous. The strangest thing about them showing up right now is that they only watch and have made no effort to bother my people. Also I was just made aware of a group call the loyals. As of right now I know very little about them other than what my contacts tell me. I know that they are nationwide and tend to scare away other groups like the slayers. If anyone has any information on either of these groups please email me.

[Mithrea]

Um . . . . where are you? And, not to be rude but what are you talking about? I'm lost :(

[Xander67]

Are you refering to Real life or an RPG of some sort?

[Darius Asgaroth]

I study an ancient form of witchcraft. Slayers are real. Loyals arereal but I know little about loyals. I've fought slayers thoug in the past. Slayers don't attack most witches they only go for places where there are large groups of witches that let themselves be known to te world. My clan is very open. Slayers are als attracted to witches that are destructive or hve the capability to be. My witches are traned to be vey destructive when it comes to protecting themselves or each other. Now though I cannot fight and I am the leader of my clan. I need to find a way to stop the slayers from attacking without any bloodshed. My witches aren't well enough trained to go into battle. I need a way to protect them.

[Darius Asgaroth]

None. I'm just an ancient soul trying to put the world back to where it should be. Slayers are my opposite. They want the world to stay how it is. I want witches to regain control. Slayers are prochristians who think that all witches are inherantly evil and must be destroyed. I guess you're just not in the right place. Slayers don't go everywhere. Certain places are off limits.

[SimplyStrange]

:confused: I'm... lost? :eyebrow:

[Old Witch]

Well, have.......fun??????????

[SimplyStrange]

Originally posted by Xander67
Nertz

What a great word! I love that word! :D:D

Oops... A little OT... :D

[Myst]

Originally posted by Darius Asgaroth
I study an ancient form of witchcraft. Slayers are real. Loyals arereal but I know little about loyals. I've fought slayers thoug in the past. Slayers don't attack most witches they only go for places where there are large groups of witches that let themselves be known to te world. My clan is very open.

Hm which ancient form is that? That's really weird coz I've never met anyone who's heard of these things and I'm actually part of several large Pagan groups that are known - offline and online.

I'm a little confused; where are these battles going on, first I thought you meant on the astral since obviously any physical fights could be dealt with by mundane means for the most part (ie. bar fights can be stopped by police), but then you mentioned bloodshed?


Originally posted by Darius Asgaroth
None. I'm just an ancient soul trying to put the world back to where it should be. Slayers are my opposite. They want the world to stay how it is. I want witches to regain control. Slayers are prochristians who think that all witches are inherantly evil and must be destroyed. I guess you're just not in the right place. Slayers don't go everywhere. Certain places are off limits.

Ok also lost, I thought you meant on the astral but you're talking about 'proChristians' now? I imagine they wouldn't be doing astral or even magical work being Christian and all. I'm also surprised because I don't know any Christian who doesn't live and let live. If they are physically attacking you call the police; even if they don't do anything it'll be on record that you were attacked in case it continues to happen.

Ever wondered if the world *is* the way it should be? I tend to think Gaia knows better what she needs/wants then we do, and can take care of herself. I'm sure if/when she really wanted/wants rid of us, she'd find a way to wipe out the whole species pretty easily. Even if we were *all* physically destroyed then, those of us who know about life after death, reincarnation, spirituality, etc. (or believe in it) could continue to exist on earth. All that may be needed is to let Gaia sort it out herself.

Witches never really had control over the earth either - I tend to believe no one really 'owns' the earth or any part of her. We all live here and try to get by. I'm also confused on that you said these slayers go after witches who cause destruction - if you want the world to be good again why cause that? If you want peace wouldn't it be better to live in peace and not war?

You might want to PM Puma or Mist because I seem to recall them knowing a bit about something like this? I'm sorry, most of us have never heard of all this and it's pretty off the wall, ya know? I hope you find help for this.

[Flaire-FireStar]

Originally posted by Xander67
he wouldnt tell me where he was :( Nertz LOL

Word stealer! :razz::nyah:



As for the actual topic of the thread...*shrug* I'd just say don't be so open - if that's what got you into this in the first place. o.O;

[Xander67]

:dis:

Nertz © Flaire :)

[Darius Asgaroth]

Battles are fought on both the spiritual, astra, and physical plains. Slayers are magick capable but they believe it to be a gift from god. I study Exterra Mina. It's a ancient form of demonic witchcraft that is very seldom heard of. It died out about ten thousand years ago and is only studied by those who go to it instinctively. Parts of it became other religions like Celtic and Macedonan witchcraft. Only those who are directly related to the original Exterra witches are capable of being drawn to it. In my family I am the only one. Both Exterra and slayers were put on earth to control it. First the Exterra then the slayers were sent to destroy them. Now Exterra is only found if you're lucky enough to come across one of the ancient objects or in cave paintings. Most of it is learned instinctivel by naturals. I will explain more when I have the time but for now I must go.

[Wind]

i think someone likes wacky-tabaccy a little too much.........

[Old Witch]

Guys I'm afraid he's dead serious..........:(

[Old Witch]

I just think maybe he's to deep into an RPG............ I'm not sure he would understand good natured "joshing"......and am concerned...........or he may be having a fine old time with us.......pulling our collective legs............:D

[Wind]

Ok guys, this is serious, we all need to venture to death montain to recover the 4 lost runestones from the old wizard, but in order to get the gatekey to death montain we must travel to the dessert of eternal suffering to recieve the 6 pikacu cards from the forrest nymph, wait, no thats wrong, u go to the DUNGON to get the pickacu cards from the SKELETON KING!!! thats it but b4 that we must rally the campain and quest to the great.........

::JOKE IS COMPLETE::

[Mithrea]

Originally posted by Darius Asgaroth
Battles are fought on both the spiritual, astra, and physical plains. Slayers are magick capable but they believe it to be a gift from god. I study Exterra Mina. It's a ancient form of demonic witchcraft that is very seldom heard of. It died out about ten thousand years ago and is only studied by those who go to it instinctively. Parts of it became other religions like Celtic and Macedonan witchcraft. Only those who are directly related to the original Exterra witches are capable of being drawn to it. In my family I am the only one. Both Exterra and slayers were put on earth to control it. First the Exterra then the slayers were sent to destroy them. Now Exterra is only found if you're lucky enough to come across one of the ancient objects or in cave paintings. Most of it is learned instinctivel by naturals. I will explain more when I have the time but for now I must go.

First of all . . . if only that many people have ever heard of this, why did you post something so vague expecting us to be able to respond with any intelligence?

And second . . . in my experience these sort of things are supposed to be kept protected by being secret which again makes me ask why did you post it?

[Flaire-FireStar]

Originally posted by Mithrea


First of all . . . if only that many people have ever heard of this, why did you post something so vague expecting us to be able to respond with any intelligence?

And second . . . in my experience these sort of things are supposed to be kept protected by being secret which again makes me ask why did you post it?

Well said, Mith...


:eyebrow:

[Sequoia]

umm guys. . .

lay off. Don't be so mean to him. I know he sounds like a whacko, but for all we know. . . what he's saying could be real. It might not "translate".

What I mean is, something very real may be going on, but the way it's coming across sounds like utter sci-fi to us. Thats not to say it isn't happening, but it does mean that the way he's living through it and the way we're looking at it is totally different. He's trying to get some other opinions on this. . . not be made fun of.

Just 'cause you havn't got a clue what he's speaking of, that doesn't mean you can mock him for it. I'm not exactly sure either what he's talking about - but I'd rather ask him more questions than just turn it into some "let's make fun of this stranger" session.

Darius, please PM me. Or you can IM me with AIM, SailorsGemini. Or e-mail me. Sareca_of_Vulcan@yahoo.com . I hope they havn't insulted you. I'm not sure exactly what you're speaking of, but I would like to talk to you some more about it. Please stay in touch.

~Puma

[Yvonne Belisle]

Hey what happened to respect others beliefs? I found severl posts in here to be increadably rude! It doesn't matter if this was real or a joke what matters is how we reacted to it. Try to rember that many of our common beliefs are bs to many people out there and a lot of people would wonder what drugs you are into if you start talking about energy work. How would you feel? Yes this could be a joke but that doesn't mean it is and it doesn't mean laugh at and make fun of the person.

[manstranger]

Some info on Darius, as posted by him:


Hello all. Darius Asgaroth is my name of all lifetimes. I came here because a friend recommended it. I am an unbelievably lonely wiccan from Ohio.
What happened to the unknown demon witchcraft? :rolleyes:

I moved to this place 1.5 years ago because my parents feared my practices. My parents are christains who fear us or at least my dad fears us. I am sort of a revolutionist wiccan. I work to protect others as a guardian of the ancient times. In this life I am 16.5 years of age, but I remember much form my past lives. I have learned to dislike christains over the years because they swarm around me and try to convert me to their religion. They say they must save me I say I don't need saved. I have been gifted with unique powers that lead me to wicca. When my family moved me here they forbid me to comunicate with my old friends. This brings me great anger for where I used to live I was well known and left a lone and I was in control of a quickly spreading coven. Now though I am taunted by strangers. I am left with few friends and no wiccan. I rely on sites like this to keep me from doing irrational things. I use these sites to find friends with similar problems that can help me to control myself. Well that is a little bit about me you will learn more as the days drag on.

How did unknown demon witchcraft end up in Ohio? How did he indepthly study in only 16 years of life? I'm sure that a bunch of witch hunters are actively killing wiccan teens in Ohio.



Hey what happened to respect others beliefs?

I don't think anyone attacked his beilefs, only his claims that his clan was being hunted by fundamentalist christian witch hunters. Yeah. Sure.

I don't mean this as an attack on him, but it seems rather implausible to me.

[Twig]

Whew. You folks better get some good protections. That's the problem with being so open in you're rituals. It's so much easier for them to find you.

PROTECT THE NEWER ONES FIRST!

I'm PMing you a link. Oops make that within the next 4 hrs. I gotta get to work.

Look for crows. They are sent by me for added protection.

Peace
Twig
:elf:

ps- for better clarification before I send this link. Have you ever invoked chaos magick?

[Sequoia]

*huggles* thankies twig. . . you're better at this and have more knowlage in some areas than I do.

There are a lot of things out there that I don't pretend to have full knowlage of, or even assume to know exactly what they are. But I don't think it's right to just automatically assume someone's being a dork. . . .

btw, manstranger. . . . he may not nessicarily mean someone's running around physically beating the living crud and life out of someone or killing them that way. Then again, maybe he does. I'm not there. But. . . . don't assume.

Past lives can have a lot of influence. Sometimes it can be like simply picking up where you left off. Oftentimes there is knowlage there that just does not make sense in this current world. And a lot of the time, nobody will even understand what you're talking about, let alone who you are. You will notice things, interact with things, hell your whole life may just be things that even to the general pagan, would fit into the catagory of "strange, supernatural, unbelievable, wacko" etc.

In his first posts, he never said anything that would prove he wasn't whom he is saying he is. He simply said things in a more disguised and careful manner. I'm pretty much positive that if I had just shown up on MW one day letting out my innermost beliefs, most of you would give me the once over and chuck me in the asylum. I have a lot of views on the world that most consider pretty out there, even for pagans. But the thing is, I feel many people here have gotten to know me. They know I'm an honest person, and that I don't just make things up. I do fully belive the things I talk about. Otherwise I wouldn't mention them. I belive he also feels what he's speaking of is true. Therefor. . . give him the respect you would give me. He's a lot braver (or perhaps more foolhardy) than I am.

Darius, if you're reading these. . . do please respond. I hope we havn't scared you away. It's very important. If you feel you're in danger, I'm sure twig can help and frankly I'll do my best to see what can be done. . . to at least understand where you're coming from. Ok? So. . . let's hear from ya *hugs*

[Old Witch]

Twig, even in the middle of town, my yard has more than its share of crows.....I just figured its because I have 4 fish pools and a fountain and we're in the middle of a 5 yr. drought....but since I've been knowing you, I've paid more attn. to them and have been tryng to see if they are sending me a message......Now back OT.........I said I thought he was dead serious........and even tho I thought he was a little "out there" I put up protection for my family and my little corner of the Earth immediately........and I felt a little silly for doing it!!......Now I'm glad I did!!!!

[Sequoia]

something is definately changing in the world, to quote this thread's title. . . . the whole thing. . . . there's just


something's happening. Like a storm. Like chaos or. . . or something. . . changes. There are going to be some big changes. . .



( :P ahhh I've been up waaaaay too long now I'm prophesizing vaguely!! Next thing you know, they'll be quoting me in the scriptures. . . *chuckles*)

[Old Witch]

:eek:

[Azure]

Quite honestly, given some of the fundamentalist Christians in the town I live in, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a real, mundane threat being talked about here.

But speaking of respecting beliefs, there are some alternative Christians who hang out here on MW - and they're not hunting anyone. Not all Christians are witch-hunting loons stuck in 1692.

[Naillosotarrain]

Originally posted by Puma Hime
something is definately changing in the world, to quote this thread's title. . . . the whole thing. . . . there's just


something's happening. Like a storm. Like chaos or. . . or something. . . changes. There are going to be some big changes. . .



( :P ahhh I've been up waaaaay too long now I'm prophesizing vaguely!! Next thing you know, they'll be quoting me in the scriptures. . . *chuckles*)


hehehe ... if only you knew the whole

[Wind]

first off, i apologize i jumped to insults so quickly(was in a cranky mood, sorry). And second of all, can someone plz explain what is going on??? im so frickin' lost....

[Naillosotarrain]

Darius ... You're not talking about the Tribuneral are you?

[Darius Asgaroth]

Ok. I feel I must apoligize aout the lack of information that I have given you. In my area this is common knowledge. I don't have to explain usually because my followers see it with their ow eyes. As for that little bit of info you got on me. I used to not be quite as open about my demonic side. I hav changed from the way I was years ago. What I speak of is real. I take no drugs. I smoke no "whackie tobackie". I came to you people with hopes of understanding. I wanted to find a way of stopping my enemy without killing them. I wanted to spare the lives of my enemies and show them mercy where they show my people none. For many years I was evil. You learn a lot when you're evil. I learned everything when I was evil. But now I try to be good. But all you have shown me is that you are just as bad as the rest of the world. Instead of actualy trying to study and find out if you could help you acted like children attacking with pointless insults. I have fought on the edge between good and evil for years now. You people just make me thik that I should just revert back to my instincts. Maybe I sould just destroy this enemy and go back to my evil ways. I thought that witches were honest decent people always willing to give a hand. Now I know that you are nothing more than a regular human. I a greatly effected emotionally by outside influences. It makes me a pefect warrior. It also decides what path I will go down. By treating me the way you have you have onl pushed me towards evil. Shame on you for what you have done to me. I just hope you haven't been doing this to other people.


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All I see is darkness
Lord Darius

[Yvonne Belisle]

I for one hope he returns. I am currently very appauled and ashamed of some of you. I thought better of MW. Respect of others paths is the only rule Mol has asked of us and here we have someone come to us and look how he is treated. I really would like the people who made the rude comments to think about how they have been treated in the past as they found thier way in thier path. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I think it would be really nice if you emailed him an apology since he may chose not to return to us.

[Valnorran]

All right, maybe some of the responses you got were inappropriate but you, my friend, are responsible for your own actions. What you end up doing is your fault, not ours. I think the responses you got have been adequately explained. The combined experience and knowledge of the people on this board is considerable, to say the least, and none of them have heard of what you're talking about. I'd say that makes your topic pretty far out in left field. Not wrong, mind you, but pretty darned unusual. You cannot blame anyone here if your topic is so unusual that none of us has heard of it, none of us has any idea what you're talking about, so we cannot offer any more help than Puma and some others offered. Why not take them up on their offers? There are plenty of people here who will try to help you to the best of their ability, but don't you dare blame anyone here for what you choose to do.

Oh, and being greatly emotionally affected by outside influences does not make you the perfect warrior. It makes you the perfect tool.

[*~*Chary*~*]

Ok ... i must say that although i did not understand some of that ... i feel that the way some people treated others was DISGUSTING !!!!!! yes perhaps he does not have the same views as you and yes perhaps they may seem strange but may i remind you the one rule of mysticwicks ... and its not even a hard one to keep

Respect others and their path !

i really think some of you need to take a good look at yourselves and realise what you did was appaling and hurtful. i think you owe some ppl an apology ... and perhaps some people think i am not the erfect role model ... and perhaps i amn't but really what happened here was indescribably LOW ! and i ... having not posted or said anything CAN sit and say this and what i am about to say aswell as i have seen both sides !

However that said, Darius ... i am afraid that you cannot hold anyone responsible for "pushing you towards evil" your own actions are your own responsibility however things like that go both ways you have control of your actions but human nature sometimes makes control hard the best example is if someone you hear of rapes a child and you take justice into your hands are you responsibe or is he? personally i would be responsible but he would be dead

... you can't blame them for thinking what you said was unusual ... it was, however i am not saying it is wrong or stupid just unusual ... althought they could have put it far more eloquently ! please don't feel you have to leave because of what happened here .... i am pretty sure it wont be happening again ...

[Xander67]

Originally posted by Twig
Whew. You folks better get some good protections. That's the problem with being so open in you're rituals. It's so much easier for them to find you.

PROTECT THE NEWER ONES FIRST!

I'm PMing you a link. Oops make that within the next 4 hrs. I gotta get to work.

Look for crows. They are sent by me for added protection.

Peace
Twig
:elf:

ps- for better clarification before I send this link. Have you ever invoked chaos magick?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

CROWS!! OMG I am dead serious..
as I was walking to get the bus this morning, There were 7 crows on the power lines ... I noticed them and then counted 7... but i didnt think nothing of it untill now...

and to those of you who feel I was Mocking him, well at first I was joking, I didnt know if he was serious or not....

but then after OW posted.... I was trying to get clarification and trying to help in a manner that HE would understand becuase what he is going through, I WENT through it on a more deeeper level a few years ago.....

no one bothered to pm me and try and give me further info, I was serious in my post about tractor beam and becon....

but that was MY way of trying to communicate ....

did anyone bother to try and give me more info? NO! instead I get a pm Scolding me and accuseing me of disrespecting his path... I KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING..... I was trying to help...

I know where he is, and I was jsut trying to help !

Darius, If you felt like I was mocking you I appologise, but I was not mocking you.. I went through what you are going through a few years ago, but on a much Darker, and deeper level. I was just trying to help!

[Old Witch]

I went back and read the entire thread.....and didn't see where anyone was that disrespectful of him.........:( We are still able to express our opinions here aren't we?

[Xander67]

Originally posted by Twig
Whew. You folks better get some good protections. That's the problem with being so open in you're rituals. It's so much easier for them to find you.

PROTECT THE NEWER ONES FIRST!

I'm PMing you a link. Oops make that within the next 4 hrs. I gotta get to work.

Look for crows. They are sent by me for added protection.

Peace
Twig
:elf:

ps- for better clarification before I send this link. Have you ever invoked chaos magick?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

CROWS!! OMG I am dead serious..
as I was walking to get the bus this morning, There were 7 crows on the power lines ... I noticed them and then counted 7... but i didnt think nothing of it untill now...

and to those of you who feel I was Mocking him, well at first I was joking, I didnt know if he was serious or not....

but then after OW posted.... I was trying to get clarification and trying to help in a manner that HE would understand becuase what he is going through, I WENT through it on a more deeeper level a few years ago.....

no one bothered to pm me and try and give me further info, I was serious in my post about tractor beam and becon....

but that was MY way of trying to communicate ....

did anyone bother to try and give me more info? NO! instead I get a pm Scolding me and accuseing me of disrespecting his path... I KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING..... I was trying to help...

I know where he is, and I was jsut trying to help !

Darius, If you felt like I was mocking you I appologise, but I was not mocking you.. I went through what you are going through a few years ago, but on a much Darker, and deeper level. I was just trying to help!

[Xander67]

Originally posted by Naillosotarrain



hehehe ... if only you knew the whole

well lets hear it ... Im serious I wish SOMEBODY would give me a clue as to what is going on..

[*~*Chary*~*]

ok i am sorry if i sounded harsh ... yes actually i was harsh ... jim i wasn'y directing that at you entirely ! it wasa directed at anyone who made fun of him for what he believed in

i don't want to be the centre of hate mail ... that was just MY oppinion

and if you really want i'll pm u with examples ... i wont post them here because that will just start something bigger worse and more difficult to clean up

[Old Witch]

Clue me in too!!!

[Xander67]

Chary,
I did not think you were being harsh at all...

I would love to hear your examples...

[Naillosotarrain]

You know, there are a lot of things in this universe that science cannot explain; and from I read of the replies before I orginally posted in this thread, there are a lot of things in this universe that some of the members here at Mistick Wicks cannot comprehend either.

Many of the replies that were made in this thread were both conescending and snide, and yes Xander67, that is directed at you too. Darius Asgaroth IM'd me earlier today over AIM because what I had posted interested him, we had an interesting conversation and what he was talking about in this thread is VERY real; and I can say this Xander67, you were NOT speaking anywhere NEAR his level.

Xander67 was not the only one making such comments, but at least Xander67 has had enough brass to try and atone for his actions. I would expect the others to do the same; I can start naming off names if you would like, but for now I will leave it up to you and the honor system as you all know who you are.

[Old Witch]

Go ahead.........Name 'em..........and then let us all in on the "truth"

[Myst]

Don't make fun of people, don't insult their intelligence, don't act as if they're 'whacko' because you don't know what they're talking about.

Ask what they mean if you don't know, and if you've never heard of what they're talking about when they ask for people who know of these ways and have no interest in learning what they mean maybe you shouldn't answer?

[*~*Chary*~*]

well put myst ... oh and how ya doin ?!??!? PM me

[Xander67]

ok, I really apreciate the honesty you have given me Nailus,

I respect a person who is not afraid to speak thier mind.

I did not mean to be judgeing him....

well as far as what level we are refering to, I will not discuss it here... my experience was real as is his, but mabey his is on a higher level... the degree of the "Attack" does not neccicarily invalidate the wounds, the scars ... yes, the universe is beyond our comprehension, and the reason I use metaphore, analgy and hummor when I talk about it, is becasue That is the only way that I know to express it, and to communicate it .....

in the summer of 2000, we had a planetary allignment.
yeah, susan miller wrote up a nice little article on it in her site.
astrologyzone.com and as a taurus, she had said that taurus would feel its effects the most as they were all congregating in my sign.....

but one thing is for sure, that summer changed things big time...
I was totally unprepared for what was to follow...

and then we ahve MAY/June's celestial events,
this only stired the soup a lil

a new day is comming, and the rules are not the same... we all need to learn how and where we will fit in... what will we do, will we be artists, musicians, healers, Knights, craftsman? will we help others who may be still trying to find thier way?? or will we
fall into the pit of darkness and wind up insane or worse off...

I think you are getting the Idea that perhaps I am beginning to see the bigger picture here..... that is why I asked for clarification... I know what my role will be, and perhaps that is why I am constantly beeing pounded..

refers to whow a sword is made.... it is put in the fire, pounded, sharpened... etc...

I will need to be pretty strong for the Job I will be doing...

Thanks again Nailus ...... I admire your honesty......

[*~*Chary*~*]

hmmmm .... interesting :eyebrow:

[Xander67]

and yes, I will admit,

at first I thought he was foolin us,

and I am sorry for that.... I can delete those posts if it will make any difference,

[Naillosotarrain]

There is no need to delete the posts; and you have appologized. Just please try not to do it again.

[Myst]

Naillos is right.

Deleting what was said doesn't magically take it away or make it ok.

Just don't be doing it anymore.

[materra]

Darius Asgaroth and Naillosotarrain, you both came here because you were called to..for you know as well as I that for each un knowing individual who is in this web site, there are those who are a force to be reckoned with. That within this collective of power is a greater knowledge and that is what you are seeking here. Name these forces. If they be the evil you name them and seek to harm our havens and our homes, we need stand ready and we cannot do that without forewarning or knowledge.

It is ever the duty of the wise to guide and inform those who seek. That is why this site exists, for the new and the old. I come here to this space seeking to know why. So why are you are here and how can we help if we so choice. Please, I ask you to teach, lest we be caught unaware.

[Wind]

as i posted a few pages back, i apologize to Darius, i had no intention to hurt you, or somehow aid in pushing u to an evil side........ im not saying what i did was right, but just trying to clear things up abit. so again, sorry, i wont let it happen again..

[Myst]

For the most part, if you are not aware of their presence, you don't need to be worried about it. I think, as Darius said, some of these things only interact with certain trads or people.

In short, I think Puma gave some idea of how things may be changing and the storm that might be going on, but I also feel that this sort of thing is not common knowledge nor is it supposed to be. Those who have been called to it will know, and those of us who have not may never be able to understand. Honestly, I don't have a clue about all of that either, and I was skeptical too. But it occurred to me that when we are meant to understand we do/will.

It's like trying to explain to a child how mommy and daddy can't go out and buy whatever they want, stay home from work whenever they want, or buy a puppy when they live in a tiny apartment. I realize while I thought I knew everything as a teen it was because I never experienced some of the stuff I have to as an adult - bills, people, work, children, etc. If you haven't experienced it there's no way you can truly understand it.

Puma or Naillos may wish to expound on that but that's my understanding. I apologize if I'm off base ;)

[Old Witch]

Yes, please explain...............maybe It will help open my closed mind............I have asked for an explanation twice now.......maybe I'm not considered worthy............Please answer in the forum so we all can share....................

[Naillosotarrain]

This is Yvonne Naillosotarrain has stepped away from the computer for a few minutes to deal with our kids. He will be back in a bit and I will ask him to read the thread.

[manstranger]

. Respect of others paths is the only rule Mol has asked of us and here we have someone come to us and look how he is treated.

I'm sorry if what I said here was interpretted as disrespect. I only meant it to be interpretted as a questioning to the seriousness of the person, and the plausiblility of what he was saying.

However, if sceptisism is disrespect, I do apologise. I don't think it is, and I think that that is all anyone had ever meant to tell the author. A ... eh? with the eyebrow raised, so to speak.

After reading the last post, i have nothing left to say to darius. If that's disrespect, I apologise. But the contents offended me. If anyone wishes to discuss how i feel about it, or why I said what I did, feel free to pm me. But I still stand with everything I say, and I think that most people are the same.

In short ... i don't think there was any disrespect, and I apologise to anyone who felt this way, towards my posts or towards other's posts.

[Old Witch]

A "secret" that we "children" can't understand...........I feel disrespected now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BAH!!!!!!

[Myst]

I don't know why, Old.

I wouldn't presume to understand what you have to deal with day to day nor would you presume to understand my life, so why should this be any different?

That's like saying it's disrespectful for me to tell someone who has never experienced miscarriage that they simply can't fully understand what it's like for me. It's just reality, not meant to be alienating.

[Twig]

TIME OUT!!!!!

Ok, some clarifications are in order. It will be 2 hrs. as I just stepped in from work to check up on this thread.

Yes, the things being talked of are unknown to a LOT of people. I need time as the explanation will be lengthy.

I ask you ALL to wait until I can get the time to post.

Thanks,
Twig

[Old Witch]

Now my feelings of disrepect are invalid too??? well my feelings are hurt now also.....but I suppose that's my fault too??..Actually my husband pointed out it is my fault............so I'm outta this thread permantely..........It's for the best.........

[Myst]

Hm I don't recall even using the word invalid..? You're welcome to PM me if you want to discuss this, but I think we're getting a little too off topic for the thread :)

Twig : I look forward to what you have to say!!!

[*~*Chary*~*]

old witch ... no one is saying that ur feelings of disrespect are invalid ...

we are saying that we dont understand WHY you feel disrespected ...

i have not experienced what he has or claims to have and i do not feel disrespected by his comments

its like me saying to you:

you really have no idea how hard/easy my life is

quite simply ... you don't ... you have never lived my life and so cannot comment ...

hopefully u see what i'm getting at here ?

Chary

edited to fix typos

[Flaire-FireStar]

I re-read my post on this thread, and although I don't think it's offending in any way, it might be to some other people, and I'd like to appologise for it. I found what Darius had to say quite intriguing, but, alas, I have no knowledge on the subject.

But now... I think we've gone a bit off topic; I'll wait for what Twig has to say. Till then...

[Myst]

I think I'm going to pass out from all the suspense waiting for your response, Twig!!! :)

[*~*Chary*~*]

Till then Flaire

[Old Witch]

You know........maybe this is hittng some sort of chord with me and I'm supposed to be paying attention................ Frightening thought.............. C'mon Twig.................I really do make more sense when I've got my temper under control...............

[*~*Chary*~*]

lol don't worry about it OW ... if ur meant to know ... u'll know

As myst said :):):)

[Old Witch]

Oh no!! Don't tell me that..........I will march through Hell barefooted to find out something I am not supposed to know!!!!!

[Naillosotarrain]

Myst is right to an extent. Those who need to know know and those who don't don't. Some information can be given freely and some can't. And with this all I can say is, and I mean this in no disrespect to anyone at all whatsoever, "ignorance is bliss." I appologizing for not trying to explain what I am able to, but I have been taking the time to put it all together in a way to keep it short and understandable. Twig is supposed to post something about it or this topic, so I will wait for him to make that post and try to enlighten on anything I can. I do this out of respect for Twig since he is a druid, I have many fond memories of druids, and my first "instructor" was a druid, although she didn't really give me much instruction as she didn't know where to start with me, and only told me some facts.

[*~*Chary*~*]

As always Nailus you make a very good point ... but for the moment i think we should ALL take a breather and wait for twigs response ... and old witch ... i am the same in that aspect lmao

[Xander67]

well if what Twig is Referring to, is what I think it is, we will all need to come together as one and stand with each other,
putting aside our differences...

United we shall stand and survive... Divided we will fall...
and ....

I will wait untill I her from Twig to speak any further on this...

Blessings

[Myst]

Originally posted by Xander67
well if what Twig is Referring to, is what I think it is, we will all need to come together as one and stand with each other,
putting aside our differences...

United we shall stand and survive... Divided we will fall...
and ....

Just had to comment on this - we don't 'need' to come together with anyone, or unite for anything. I don't believe in saying that we should be obligated to do something.

While I do think we should respect others I don't believe in pledging allegiance to a cause we don't personally necessarily have any affinity for.

[Wind]

EXTREMLY well put myst

[Xander67]

Myst,

what I meant was, come together as a community, respecting each other and helping one another.. the strong helping the weak... the wise helping the ones just starting....

[*~*Chary*~*]

personally i was confused about that myself so

thankyou Myst for bringing it up
and thankyou xander for clarifying .

perhaps in future you could clarify and save ppl having to confront you

and speaking of clarification i dont mean that u were "confronting" him in any negative way ... i meant that you were stating your oppinion basewd on what you thought his post meant

[Myst]

I can understand that, but as far as that's concerned (and I mean no disrespect Twig) but whether Twig means what you think he does or does not we should *always* show respect and help those who need it here, or at least if we cannot refrain from showing disrespect.

Being members of MW demands the last, but nothing else.

[*~*Chary*~*]

very well put .... one rule:

Show respect for others and their path

and i take it u mean

demands the LEAST rather than Last hun ?!?!?!?!?!?

and i'll delete that once you see it lol

[Xander67]

I totally agree Myst..

sometimes I am not always good with conveying what I want to say... and one of the things I admire about you, is how you sometimes know what I am trying to say... I use analgy and metaphore sometimes becuase i dont know how to express it, I find it easier to illustrate it... but I am learning.

[*~*Chary*~*]

We are ALL learning ALL the time

and its good that you can admit these things ... thats the first step to fixing things !

[Xander67]

I hold no grudges ...

and I know I have much more to learn...

[Old Witch]

Maybe we should just wait for Twig.............Somehow I don't think it's gonna be that simple.......but I hope it is!!!

[Naillosotarrain]

Nothing is ever simple...:ugh:

[Old Witch]

That's a truth we all can agree on I hope.............But we're Pagans, so probably not.............TWIGGGGGGGGG

[Naillosotarrain]

Lights another cigarette in the wait

This is starting to get expensive...:smoke:

[Old Witch]

And in your case "could be dangerous to your health".

[*~*Chary*~*]

thats what i said OW but i promised not to lecture him ... maybe u could do it for me ***grins***

[Old Witch]

He knows.............lol

[PrincessHLHofMW]

I just read this whole thread and i guess im happy im not insane but scared i was right....but since im not completely sure....*sits and waits for Twig while biting my nails off*

[manstranger]

I look forward as well. If there are in fact fundies that are more fundy than most fundies :bigredgri, then I would like to hear about it.

[*~*Chary*~*]

manstranger what ARE u on about

[Naillosotarrain]

Fundies???

[manstranger]

I was joking, for the most part, but I thought that the Slayers, who this post was about, where proCristian. I assumed that meant fundie. But I can see now that it might not. I was refering to something the person that posted this had said earlier.

[Old Witch]

Oh!! Lets just let that one hang ....Please..........

[*~*Chary*~*]

fundie ... as in fundamentalist ?!?!?!?!

[Old Witch]

Everybody be calm.......he didn't say they were bad, just could have used a better word.........

[PrincessHLHofMW]

i agree with everyone before me and say we stay calm till Twig get here

[*~*Chary*~*]

no no no i dint think he was insulting i just was trying to work out hat he meant lol

[manstranger]

Oh, okay. Yeah, i meant fundamentalist. Like the people the bomb abortion centers.

[Old Witch]

Get him guys...............Just kidding......the people who bomb abortion clinics are criminals, plain and simple............I know plenty of Fun.......no! Will not go there .........no bashing or calling names..............

[*~*Chary*~*]

***ahem***

ladies and gentlemen

TWIG IS IN THE BUILDING

[Xander67]

*waits to see what Twig posts

[PrincessHLHofMW]

*phew* i had next to no nails left

[manstranger]

Originally posted by *~*Chary*~*
***ahem***

ladies and gentlemen

TWIG IS IN THE BUILDING

Is he on the right floor? (just talk)

In the right room? (here).

[Myst]

Guys. Getting off topic again. Why don't we all wait quietly for Twig to tell us.

[Twig]

Gods.... I smell like a sewer pipe.
WHERE are my books!!?

AIM- twigjones
YIM- twigjatmetacrawler

I NEED A JUST TALK MOD TO CONTACT ME!!

[*~*Chary*~*]

we ALL need to leave this thread with NO REPLIES till TWIG IS READY

twig needs to sort some things out and he will then post but at the moment

PLEASE JUST ASSUME THIS THREAD IS CLOSED FOR A LITTLE WHILE

[ChelleOfShadows]

I am not replying, just asking all who have involved themselves in this...... please meditate, do a cleansing of the mind, home and soul, I have seen over 100 crows today Twig. Discord among us will cause our end. I agree wait for Twig, but have your heart open and clean to hear. I am personally going to do a cleansing AND a banishment slightly unprepared but then I have not eaten for 24 hours now which until I read this post, I thought was the flu. Be wary my friends and be safe!!! BLESSED BE!!!!

[Sequoia]

to everybody -

I personally will have a very difficult time trying to explain my views of the world, in a more complete and concise and yet compact and easily-understood manner. . . . I applaud Twig for trying. Goodness, man! How are you going to manage this?

It's not condescending when I or someone else says "look. . . I would love to tell you, but you havn't been there, and you just willn't understand."

what's going to happen isn't for all to know, and it isn't for all to understand. . . a lot of people won't understand. They're too comfortable with this world, and this way of life, and I can completely empathize. Sometimes you won't understand something because you don't need to, sometimes you won't understand something because you don't want to, and sometimes you won't understand something simply because you cannot (whether prior knowlage is lacking, or you simply cannot grasp such a concept, or whatever).

It's not going to be some religious thing. It's not going to be some holy war. And whilst many are calling it a war, heck I myself have at times, it truely is not. It is more like. . . . a storm of change, a descent of chaos. This world is very, very different than it appears. And if you don't already see it. . . . no, there's not really a way I know of to prove it to you, other than to wait. And I can't give you dates - it really is unknown. And it runs by so many variables I doubt there is a way to predict it. But it is coming. And soon. And it is such a vague "it" for most people. . . . describing what will happen becomes like describing one part of the world one hour of one day of one year - it may be completely true, but if I said "well it's sunny here today, and there are children playing happily outside". . . that would not nessicarily be true for somewhere else in the world. I can only describe what I have seen in visions, and what I know in my gut. Beyond that. . . I don't know. I can't tell you who you are or what your place is in this. If you are meant to do something. . . you will do it. It's simple as that. Yes, I have an awefully lot of faith in fate, in the idea that something is guiding me. But my life experiences have taught me that. . . . and sometimes I do need that hope. I know what my truth is to me. I know what my reality is for me.

I cannot define, or explain, your reality to you. That is yours to know.

[Xander67]

Puma,

I think you have confirmed what I feared it was,,,
I have been getting the dreams... and I now know that what I expierenced in summer of 2000, was meant to help me prepare for this... I know what my role is... I am training for it now as we speak...

I dare not even attempt to describe what I went through in public, be it in metaphore or plain english... and the scary thing is, I cant even explain why..

[Phoenix Blue]

Quoth Myst:
For the most part, if you are not aware of their presence, you don't need to be worried about it. I think, as Darius said, some of these things only interact with certain trads or people.

In short, I think Puma gave some idea of how things may be changing and the storm that might be going on, but I also feel that this sort of thing is not common knowledge nor is it supposed to be. Those who have been called to it will know, and those of us who have not may never be able to understand. Honestly, I don't have a clue about all of that either, and I was skeptical too. But it occurred to me that when we are meant to understand we do/will.
Okay, here's where I stand on this whole thing. . .

First off, I'm skeptical. I'm always skeptical. But then I remember, during my first Pagan year, I went through some of the same experiences. . . feeling the call of "good vs. evil," knowing that the world around me was changing in inexplicable ways. Looking back at it now, I have to wonder. . . was it the world that changed around me? Or did I all of a sudden have a wider view of the world?

Storms have been raging across our world for as long as humans have been here to see it. Those storms are storms of change. . . the majickal web ebbs and grows and wanes, and it does this all in cycles. It changes constantly. It's as strong now as it was around the time of the 1996 Summer Solstice, when I first felt a "change" in the energy around me. **Ponders** Perhaps this is a natural thing; the Earth responds to they who remember how to speak with her, after all. She speaks in dreams, and in energy, and in intuition.

What do we do? As a race, as a religion? The answer is simple. We do the right thing, as we see it. **Shrugs** Do what is right, knowing that some will call you good and others may call you evil. Do what your heart instructs you to do, knowing that the very terms "good" and "evil" are nothing more than constructs of the human mind. In short, Darius, do what you have always done and trust that the strength of your message will express itself not through your words, but through your deeds.

I've had a lot of people say things such as these; unfortunately, most of the people I've heard say this have sought to manipulate others into cultish followership through such announcements. So I take anything someone says along these lines with an extra grain of salt, and try to stay uninvolved.

One more thing: I've been many things in many lifetimes. If I can make someone's life better by sharing any of what I've learned. . . **shrugs and smiles** just ask; and I'll do what I can do to help.

[Phoenix Blue]

As for dreams. . . **soft smile** Yeah, I've had a few. I've written down some of what I dreamt when I received the dreams. . . and drew from intuition what I could. I've put some of it on my website.

Xander, Puma, Darius, I dunno if it'll help you guys or not; but let me know if any of the information on this page (http://orius.home.mindspring.com/OldStation/NaTari.html) strikes you as remotely familiar?

[Xander67]

that is the first I heard of that one PB

no, what I am refering to , and what I think is refering to, is something that exists on a higher plane, and it reared its ugle head a few years ago....

do you recall back in the summer of 2000, people walking around mentioning things like, "the Fall" and "time is all we have" or mabey the skits on Saturday night live... playing at miror speak or useing Bardic skills.... or perhaps you noticed people walking around, afraid of thier own shadow because they felt the whole workd was one big plot to get them, and they were afraid to even watch TV....

i dont think i need to give anymore examples, but I can tell you this, it was real, and Part of what I have been doing is helping others to find thier way back... when I went to see my DR (after I was fortunate enough to regain my sanity) He asked if I would be willing to sit in on a few group sessions, and once I shared my story, others shared thiers, and we all saw how silly we were... but that did not make what happened any less real....

I think that what Puma is refering to , is something that not too many people will be able to deal with it, and it will be up to the ones who know, to help them

[Myst]

Odd. The summer of 2000 was the best in my life and in several others of my friends.

Maybe we're just weird.

[Xander67]

no, not at all,

I think that for me, being a tuarus, it affected me more...
and I feel that there was a reason the Goddess put me through it, perhaps it was to help prepare me for something yet to come..

You are not wierd Myst, You are Unique, and a very intellegent individual whom I respect a great deal.

[Twig]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

My friends. I have been talking with others and had enlightening discourse as to what this means. I for one take this seriously as I said.

( Gods, they are going to KILL me) I am too tired to try to explain this all tonight and my love is giving me "the look". So, tomorrow is a new day! I suggest you all meditate on what's been said and we will pick this up tomorrow in the pm.

Darian, if ANY of the folks you talk of approach you, DO NOT
speak to them!

Until then, all hate mail can be written to

mystictwig@kissmyass.com Yes it IS a real e-mail address. ;)

I Love you ALL.

Peace,
Twig
:ghost:

[Xander67]

I think that is a good idea,

Good night everyone.. :wave:

[Sequoia]

kyuu. . . . . *sighs, then chuckles* ah well! Time goes on. I sure hope there's a tommorrow for this. . . ;) :D

[*~*Chary*~*]

i agree twig ... i for one am worn out after our "discussion" lol

[Phoenix Blue]

Quoth Xander67:
do you recall back in the summer of 2000, people walking around mentioning things like, "the Fall" and "time is all we have" or mabey the skits on Saturday night live... playing at miror speak or useing Bardic skills.... or perhaps you noticed people walking around, afraid of thier own shadow because they felt the whole workd was one big plot to get them, and they were afraid to even watch TV....
Yeah, I figured this just tied into millenialism, though. Lots of people were afraid the world would end in a puff of theological smoke come 2000/2001 (depending on which you viewed as the actual beginning of the millenium).

I think that what Puma is refering to , is something that not too many people will be able to deal with it, and it will be up to the ones who know, to help them
**Sighs and ponders** I wasn't in on you guys' IRC conversation last night, so I can't know what went on. But whatever was discussed and discovered, pray keep your wits about you?

I've come to think of the "changes" I witnessed not as changes in the world, so much as changes in me. When you grow to see more of the world around you, it's sometimes a frightening place. But a bit of understanding and level-headedness can go a long way.

On a personal note, my summer of 2000 wasn't quite as exciting in the same respect. My ex was pregnant with Benjamin, and that occupied much of my time. . . though by that point, I was tired of being tied down to a crazy woman. It took me until February of last year, though, to overcome the fears associated with divorcing myself from her. **Smiles** I'm not sure how or if that helps. . . except that, having spent years living with my ex, nothing frightens me anymore. :T

[PrincessHLHofMW]

Summer of 2000...*thinks back* ahh yes it was horrible..as was that whole year....*shudders* though that was the year i foud this path...though it was not in a plesant way

[Sequoia]

ah, the summer of 2000. . . . the tail end of it is when I met my ex. . . the man who both gave me my first step into a much bigger world, and who also f*cked me over pretty badly :bad:

I remember finding out that summer, too, that my uncle's dog had died. . . but I also remember my uncle telling me I was really maturing, that he was shocked by how much I'd grown in a year, as far as my attitude and the way I viewed the world and stuff. . . . *chuckles* I guess you could say that summer was the beginning of my misadventure! :D

[Danustouch]

Summer of 2000 was pretty good for me. I moved here in April 2000, so it was my first summer with hubby. And I think we enjoyed our first summer together very much. I had to work alot, even on the weekends. But..other than that, I think we had a terriffic summer. I don't recall anything negative happening that summer. The Autumn of that year wasn't too good. My Cat got hit by a car and died, John's aunt died, he went through a long drawn out depression, But came out of it ok. I don't even remember any of my pagan friends from CT, saying there was anything "odd" in the air during that time. So far, 2002 seems to be the most odd year of my life, for me. With the Sept 11th thing, bush in the whitehouse, problems here, problems elsewhere, yadda yadda. But..these things go in cycles. I can also recall many summers/years past, when I thought it was a very strange year, a very strange sequence of events happening, etc. I'm not really into doomsday prophecies, or the idea of spiritual warfare, myself. So I just look at it somewhat like phoenix blue does. They were changes in myself, and how I viewed the world. They helped me grow, or change. As far as outside forces attacking me, or people like me...well...Paganism is a minority religion, much steeped in mystery for many members of more mainline religious paths. There will always be people who will misunderstand us, or bash us, whatever. However, the Constitution of this country is still in place. If a Pagan get's attacked/harmed by another human being in this country, he'll be protected by our legal system. If it's astral stuff you're talking about, well...I don't deal much with the astral. I have too much to handle on my plate right in front of me. Too many day to day problems, or issues I need to sort out. I certainly don't go looking for any more. I sincerely believe that everything happens in accordance with natures own plan. Whatever will be will be. What matters is how we live our life with the time we are given.

[*~*Chary*~*]

What matters is how we live our life with the time we are given.

You certainly make a very valid point here Danus. However, IMHO it never does anyharm to look forward or to prepare for what might hasppen ... as the saying goes

Better to be safe than sorry

[Phoenix Blue]

I don't quite agree, Chary: the term, "self-fulfilling prophecy" comes to mind. You can plan for the future, true; but you should base your plans for the future on concrete information, not on intuitions or suspicions.

And regardless how you choose to plan for the future, you live in the right-now. Plan as you please, but live like there is no tomorrow. :)

[PrincessHLHofMW]

I tendto pln for what i think is comming and what i know is comming that way im prepared for anything...almost

[Phoenix Blue]

Sometimes that works. . . sometimes not. :) Lots of thing in life, you simply cannot plan for. . .

[*~*Chary*~*]

yes i agree with that ... its really a matter of preparing with probability

for example if you live in Canada during tornado season ... it is probable to experience a tornado and so you should prepare against it

i amnt saying plan for things that will probably never happen and there is no evidence of it happening

You getting me ?

[Xander67]

sooo true....

especialy when the nature of what is being prpared for is unlike anything we have encountered.. and changes constantly, and is bound by cosmic laws we have never even heard of :)

[Phoenix Blue]

Quoth Xander67:
sooo true....

especialy when the nature of what is being prpared for is unlike anything we have encountered.. and changes constantly, and is bound by cosmic laws we have never even heard of :)
Ehh? :huh:

You're losing me, here. What precisely do you feel you're preparing for, here? And what makes you think it's bound by some unknown cosmic law, as opposed to cosmic laws which we full well know?

Again, color me skeptical. But frankly, I'd like to see a bit more rational thought than I'm seeing here. This started with Darius warning about Christian "witch-hunters" or somesuch. . . whose existence I must doubt. If such things existed, I would have encountered them here, in Alabama; and let me assure you, I have not.

Don't get me wrong; I'm willing to keep an open mind on this. But all this talk of phantom menaces (apologies to George Lucas) is wearing thin on me. If you're afraid of something in particular, name it, and claim power over it in the naming.

[Xander67]

in Amber K's book, True Magic,

she says that Magic is bound to obey the laws of nature and the universe, and when it appears not to , it is following laws we have not yet learned...

I get from that, there are other laws which we are not yet aware of, but that we will be ...

the thought of "revisiting the summer of 2000" is not as scarey knowing I am not alone this time :)

[mol]

*sigh*

What a painful thread to read.

unfolia nictua garamonna shienta

There is no discord. Discord is from within. Ive heard of what this person speaks of...everyone just needs to calm down. Period.

READ NOW:

1. Dont bash anyones beliefs people. WTH is wrong with you guys? You know this is not acceptable.

2. Darius Asgaroth, I have great respect for your noble cause, but 'I' know it to be in naught. I would ask you to REFRAIN from posting anything else pertaining to 'killing' anything, human being or not.

3. All others. Calm yourselves down. Have a Coke and a smile.

[Phoenix Blue]

. . .**ponders**. . .

Just saying, "Oh, it's just doing something we don't understand yet" is easy. It doesn't require any investigative work, nor does it require thinking through. You can simply say, "I don't understand it, so I must not be meant to." That mindset encourages ignorance; and it's one of the reasons I don't hold Amber K in very high regard.

Anyway, I suspect that aspect of the discussion is really neither here nor there, as it doesn't answer the question of what you feel you need to prepare for.

Chaos? Yeah--chaos happens. But, c'mon, you can't be afraid of the world just because there's a cold front on the horizon. If it's not something more specific than that, why fear it at all?

[mol]

Oh, I almost forgot. Thats a first and last warning. I will close this thread if I see anything further like I have read so far...

[*~*Chary*~*]

Thanx mol i think we all needed that ..... and yes i have heard of what darius speaks of as well which is why i was speaking to twig about it and "trying" to keep the peace here ... i did not mean to offend anyone or act "above my station" if you get what i'm saying

[Phoenix Blue]

Quoth mol:
1. Dont bash anyones beliefs people. WTH is wrong with you guys? You know this is not acceptable.

Actually, given the "incredibly lonely Wiccan" bit quoted earlier in this thread, I have to wonder: were these this kid's beliefs? Or was he just looking for attention?

Something to think about, maybe. . .

[Yvonne Belisle]

Even if they are not his beliefs persay there are others out there that feel that way. The fact that we don't know what goes on in anothers head doesn't make things any less real. I eagerly await Twig and his post.

[*~*Chary*~*]

Truthfully PB i think they WERE his beliefs and dont fault him for that ....

what he speaks of is too TRUTHFUL to be a wind up or an attention hunt

he states a lot of things here and when u add them all up it comes to tok about something not very well known but still ... known

i think we really need to wait for

a) what twig has to say tonight
b) till were all calmer

[PrincessHLHofMW]

i agree chary i tink that word from mol was much needed


Hail Mol,
Bless mol!
*throwsrose petals* i cant stand to watch mre catsbeing thrown :lol:

[Phoenix Blue]

Originally posted by *~*Chary*~*
what he speaks of is too TRUTHFUL to be a wind up or an attention hunt

he states a lot of things here and when u add them all up it comes to tok about something not very well known but still ... known
Chary, I went back through to the first couple posts in this thread and tried to make heads or tails of it. I couldn't. **Shakes head** I still can't.

What truth has Darius hit upon here? If you can't explain it, do you really know it?


i think we really need to wait for

a) what twig has to say tonight
b) till were all calmer
I think that will be enlightening, too. . . but perhaps not the same way you think.

[*~*Chary*~*]

PB i DO know what he's tokin about and i COULD explain but we agreed last night to let Twig explain he can put it in a way thats easier to understand better than me

trust me on this one

and i know it wont be the way some ppl think as i know what he has to say

[PrincessHLHofMW]

PB just because one cannot explain something does not mean one doen't know....it falls true for many thins including this....i cannot explain how a feel abut someone i love but i KNOW how i feel..is te samething here...sometimes you just cant find the correct words

[*~*Chary*~*]

yes thankyou tink

thats exactly the way it is although i think i could explain it ... but if I did then i'd probably make u more confuzzled

[Yvonne Belisle]

It is always hard to put feelings into words. Can we prove what we feel when we work with energy? How does that sound to someone who has never done it. Something as simple as how we feel when someone touches us is hard to explain sometimes because no two people feel the exact same way nor do we think or phrase things the exact same way. Lets just drop this till Twig has a chance then go at it from that fresh perspective.

[PrincessHLHofMW]

which was my piont...sure it could be explaned by probably a few people but the way they understand it is in their minds and hearts whih means its in...kind of a language only they understad...if you understand what im saying now

[*~*Chary*~*]

perfectly tink ... and yvonne you are right ! lets drop this ... for a time at least till twig can post

[PrincessHLHofMW]

I agree *zips lips and locks the keyboard...at least fromhis thread*

[Phoenix Blue]

Quoth Yvonne Thomas:
It is always hard to put feelings into words. Can we prove what we feel when we work with energy? How does that sound to someone who has never done it. Something as simple as how we feel when someone touches us is hard to explain sometimes because no two people feel the exact same way nor do we think or phrase things the exact same way. Lets just drop this till Twig has a chance then go at it from that fresh perspective.
Maybe you can't explain love perfectly. Maybe you can't explain exactly how it feels when someone you care for touches you.

But there's a world of difference between that, and saying what you folks seem to be saying here. Which is that something horrible is going to happen, but you can't explain what that something horrible is. And even that is worlds apart from what Darius actually said in the first place.

I can explain energy work. **Shrugs** I've done so before. Then again, I'm fairly gifted with the written word, so I try not to hold that against people who *can't* explain how they do what they do.

But this is not energy work or love we're talking about. This is someone who claims he's being stalked by "pro-Christian witch hunters." Making a statement like this, and failing to provide evidence to reinforce such a claim, is a slander against members of the Christian faith.

I've heard this before. I believe it's much ado over nothing, to be honest. The world is not going to end, nor will society as we know it. People have been fearing the apocalypse for two thousand years, and we have yet to see it actually occur.

**Shrugs** Chary, if you'd like to share with me, via PM, your insights into this, feel free. :) My mailbox is always open. That extends to anyone else who wants to continue the dialogue privately as well.

[*~*Chary*~*]

OK ... i am now PMING Phoenix Blue but everyone please take a break from this thread .. and let me quickly say

what i am talking about PB is not what is going to happen or what is happening i am speaking strictly on the content of darius posts.

[mol]

Originally posted by Phoenix_Blue

Actually, given the "incredibly lonely Wiccan" bit quoted earlier in this thread, I have to wonder: were these this kid's beliefs? Or was he just looking for attention?

Something to think about, maybe. . .

How about lending the benefit of the doubt, which I am sure a lot people have lent every one of us the same from time to time.

[mol]

Thats it, folks.

If Twig wants to 'explain' this, then he can do so in a seperate thread. Rest assured I will close that one too if it turns out like this one.

The birds are chirping, the sun is shining, rain is falling...the world is not going to be swallowed up into eternal blackness and MW is not going anywhere either.

This thread is now closed.