David19
January 13th, 2008, 08:17 PM
This is a site I recently came across that was linked from Coffee, Cigarettes and Gnosis, a Gnostic radio site (which has a lot of cool info and cool interviews), and this site seems quite cool:
The Jesus Puzzle (http://www.jesuspuzzle.com/)
I think the author also has a book out with the same name, it's basic theme is that Jesus wasn't historical, and that actually the early Christians, including Paul, didn't envisage a historical Jesus at all, but rather, like all other Gods, saw Jesus as existing on another plane of existance (so he was still real, just not historical).
There's a lot of great info on the site and it really makes you think, which is always a good thing.
Here's one of the bits I really like that I learnt from the site
From here (http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/parttwo.htm):
Christ's self-sacrificing death was located "in times eternal," or "before the beginning of time" (pro chronon aionion). This is the second key phrase in 2 Timothy 1:9 and elsewhere. What is presently being revealed is something that had already taken place outside the normal realm of time and space. This could be envisioned as either in the primordial time of myth, or, as current Platonic philosophy would have put it, in the higher eternal world of ideas, of which this earthly world, with its ever-changing matter and evolving time, is only a transient, imperfect copy (more on this later). The benefits of Christ's redemptive act lay in the present, through God's revelation of it in the new missionary movement, but the act itself had taken place in a higher world of divine realities, in a timeless order, not on earth or in history. It had all happened in the sphere of God, it was all part of his "mystery." The blood sacrifice, even seeming biographical details like Romans 1:3-4, belong in this dimension
But the whole site is teeming with great info, that if it does nothing else, will at least, get you thinking, and is one of the better scholars of the Jesus wasn't historical school of thought.
Personally, even though I'm not a Christian, I think I like the Jesus Myth a lot better, especially as Earl Doherty
Here's a link for the book, 'The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ?: Challenging the Existence of an Historical Jesus' by Earl Doherty (http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Puzzle-Christianity-Mythical-Christ/dp/0968601405).
Anyway, I just wanted to post this info, if you've read the book or seen his site before, what do you think of it? or if you haven't, would you buy the book?. I know that I'm definantly going to get his book when I have the money.
The Jesus Puzzle (http://www.jesuspuzzle.com/)
I think the author also has a book out with the same name, it's basic theme is that Jesus wasn't historical, and that actually the early Christians, including Paul, didn't envisage a historical Jesus at all, but rather, like all other Gods, saw Jesus as existing on another plane of existance (so he was still real, just not historical).
There's a lot of great info on the site and it really makes you think, which is always a good thing.
Here's one of the bits I really like that I learnt from the site
From here (http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/parttwo.htm):
Christ's self-sacrificing death was located "in times eternal," or "before the beginning of time" (pro chronon aionion). This is the second key phrase in 2 Timothy 1:9 and elsewhere. What is presently being revealed is something that had already taken place outside the normal realm of time and space. This could be envisioned as either in the primordial time of myth, or, as current Platonic philosophy would have put it, in the higher eternal world of ideas, of which this earthly world, with its ever-changing matter and evolving time, is only a transient, imperfect copy (more on this later). The benefits of Christ's redemptive act lay in the present, through God's revelation of it in the new missionary movement, but the act itself had taken place in a higher world of divine realities, in a timeless order, not on earth or in history. It had all happened in the sphere of God, it was all part of his "mystery." The blood sacrifice, even seeming biographical details like Romans 1:3-4, belong in this dimension
But the whole site is teeming with great info, that if it does nothing else, will at least, get you thinking, and is one of the better scholars of the Jesus wasn't historical school of thought.
Personally, even though I'm not a Christian, I think I like the Jesus Myth a lot better, especially as Earl Doherty
Here's a link for the book, 'The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ?: Challenging the Existence of an Historical Jesus' by Earl Doherty (http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Puzzle-Christianity-Mythical-Christ/dp/0968601405).
Anyway, I just wanted to post this info, if you've read the book or seen his site before, what do you think of it? or if you haven't, would you buy the book?. I know that I'm definantly going to get his book when I have the money.