Rune Magic Learning

[manstranger]

I had discussed this earlier with one of the divination mods, and she and Rick decided that this was a better place for it :). So here it is. This is also for learning, which is why i wanted to place something like it in divination, but Rick and Freyja have spoken and I agree ;);).

Let me explain something first. A couple years ago, horror movies were an addiction for me. Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Scream, I Know What you Did Last Summer, Leperchaun, and Jason etc :). I watched them over and over and over again, and lately, before I goto bed, something about something in my room will remind me of them. I recently moved into my own room, so maybe its lacking another person that's doing this, or something, but whatever it is, I would like it to stop. I would just be reading and a snatch of the music from Halloween will come into my head, and then I'll think something (stupid) like, gee, I haven't seen that since i sold my nightmare on elm street vids, or something like that, and I'll end up thinking about each and ever villan i've ever come across in my movie watching experience. Lately, this has been leaking into my dreams (go figure).

What I've been doing to help with this is to visualise a circle around me, with whatever is bothering me on the outside, and myself inside. Then, if its music or something thats bothering me, I will visualise a radio and turn the volume all the way up. Jimmy Eats World is alot nicer than the music from halloween ;). If it's a visual thing, I draw the shades, or make tinted windows, or something.

Anyway, the full moon is coming up soon i think, or maybe the new, but either way, I plan on doing some sort of ritual to help. What I would like is to see what runic magic, if any, you would apply. If it was happening to you and you would do something different, please share. What i'm looking to learn about is what you would use to counter the problem. Maybe you wouldn't use runes at all, maybe you'd use 4 or 5 runes.

So, please share what you would do in a ritual :). I'll share my idea's after if there's any interest. What I'm looking for in particular is things like what aspect of the problem you would focus on, what deities you would invoke, and what runes you would use, if you didn't guess ;). So, start sharing!

Thanks :).

[Rick]

Envision a 'thorngarth' ("enclosure of thorns") around yourself... this is an octagon, with a Thurisaz Rune on each of the eight sides, point outward... it's like building a barbed wire fence around yourself to keep out what ever you don't want in (and if you want to contain something, envision the thorngarth around what you wish contained, with the thorns pointing inward)...

OK... I took the easy one... next? :T

[manstranger]

Because that's the easy way out, I haven't watched horror movies in a couple years, and I want to learn more about the runes, silly! The point of this was more learning than helping me. The problem I have isn't big enough that i'm afraid to exploit it ;).

Yes Rick, that is the easy one. ;).

Freyja, SV, Emy? Are you here?

I'll look over my runes before I suggest something.

[Silver Venus]

Ick, Im not good at combining runes with magick.. well havent much practice in it at all. But I can offer a little advice and a few links Ive found that may be of help :)

The first one is very clear and features Kenaz whivch immediatley came to my mind ~
http://www.thegodess.com/healing-runes.html
and these two are very good

http://www.teaser.fr/~lfontaine/nmh/charms.htm
http://www.pacificnet.net/~spectre/heal.html

For healing charms, as I would focus on your own self healing in this ritual as the horror movies have seemed to disturb your inner imagination and this has to be cared for again and healed.
I would also do this with the new moon (just gone) holding an amythest crystal for cleasning and use a orange candle for health and vitality, a green candle for cleasning and growth and a yellow for a new outlook and happiness.

:sunny:

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by Rick
Envision a 'thorngarth' ("enclosure of thorns") around yourself... this is an octagon, with a Thurisaz Rune on each of the eight sides, point outward... it's like building a barbed wire fence around yourself to keep out what ever you don't want in (and if you want to contain something, envision the thorngarth around what you wish contained, with the thorns pointing inward)...

OK... I took the easy one... next? :T

I'd have to agree with Rick. I have used Thurisaz for protection, especially when I am up against a difficult client or when I'm testifying in court.

Rick, would it work to make a garth with Nauthiz? I'm remembering when you taught me to use it for protection and I projected it onto the door of a building ~ and how well it worked!

[Rick]

...visualizing Nauthiz could help to overcome feelings of fear or worry, if one concentrates on the 'hopeful', positive aspect of this Rune. However, visualizing a garth of Nauthiz's could have an adverse effect... I'm afraid it could act to [/i]amplify[/i] exponentially (like, to the eighth power) any feelings of fear or trepidation...

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by Rick
...visualizing Nauthiz could help to overcome feelings of fear or worry, if one concentrates on the 'hopeful', positive aspect of this Rune. However, visualizing a garth of Nauthiz's could have an adverse effect... I'm afraid it could act to amplify exponentially (like, to the eighth power) any feelings of fear or trepidation...

So, you're saying that its negative aspects might actually cause more stress.....thanks. I was kind of visualizing the garth looking something like a barbed-wire fence.

[Rick]

Originally posted by Freyja
So, you're saying that its negative aspects might actually cause more stress.....thanks. I was kind of visualizing the garth looking something like a barbed-wire fence.
Yep...

[manstranger]

I agree with Thurisaz. It's deffinatly a rune that comes up when thinking of protection.

What I was thinking of was Mannaz and Laguz myself. Mannaz to symbolise what I aspire to be, as this rune to me means something along the lines of the 'alpha human'. What we aspire to be. Personally, i don't want anything as petty as movie monsters to hold me back from doing anything ;). So I was thinking of Mannaz surronded by Laguz. This to me would have the effect of cleansing whatever is blocking me from reaching my goal. Here are the runes I would use, in an octogonal patern like Rick suggested.

What does this mean to you?

[manstranger]

Originally posted by Rick
...visualizing Nauthiz could help to overcome feelings of fear or worry, if one concentrates on the 'hopeful', positive aspect of this Rune. However, visualizing a garth of Nauthiz's could have an adverse effect... I'm afraid it could act to amplify exponentially (like, to the eighth power) any feelings of fear or trepidation...

Yes. I would be hesitant to use Naudhiz for just that reason. I tryed to stay away from any rune that could do that, and because it has such a broud range, i wouldn't use it in a garth.

By itself, however, i think it would be effective. Like ... enough unisom to put you to asleep, but not enough to put you in a coma deal.

[Rick]

...I've been waiting for someone to offer a Runecharm or BindRune solution here... since no one has responded for a couple of days, I'll post one...

But first, a thought on the 'garths' that have been suggested here... let's think about what the suggested Runes to be used in a 'garth' protection symbolize... Thurisaz makes sense because we're using it to create a barrier of thorns to keep the fears out. Nauthiz represents a fire bow; while using a fire bow to spark a light to illuminate the dark corners of the mind would be beneficial, I don't think a barrier of Fire Bows would keep out the fears. Laguz symbolizes water; a barrier of Laguz's could also be called a moat :D ; should work.

All right, if you aren't already familiar with the Practical Rune Magic threads, check them out in the stuck thread at the top of this forum. #1 explains about using a votive candle, casting a circle, etc. For this particular problem, I would carve: East-Mannaz, for intellectual control; South-Nauthiz, to symbolize overcoming the fears; West-Laguz, for emotional control; North-Wunjo, achieving happiness. I would use a blue candle.

[manstranger]

I don't think any of us feel 'adept' enough to make bindrunes.

You add two or three together, and five or six pop up in the bindrune, i've noticed :bug:.

I like how you didn't use Thurisaz. You focused more on control and overcoming something than protection, which is what thurisaz screams to me.

[Rick]

...that would apply here would be Mannaz & Laguz (for the above-stated reasons). It would look something like this:

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|/\|
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[Rick]

that would apply here would be Mannaz & Laguz (for the above-stated reasons). It would look something like this:

|\/|\
|/\|
| .|

[manstranger]

Hmm .. when i look at that, I see..

|\/|\
|/\|
| .|

Mannaz
Ehwaz
Dagaz
Laguz
Wunjo
Gebo


see what I mean?

however, i could be reading it wrong. Is it only meant to be read left to right? And rune's power is only added to the mix when it's purposfully drawn there?

[Rick]

Originally posted by manstranger
Hmm .. when i look at that, I see..

|\/|\
|/\|
| .|

Mannaz
Ehwaz
Dagaz
Laguz
Wunjo
Gebo

see what I mean?

however, i could be reading it wrong. Is it only meant to be read left to right? And rune's power is only added to the mix when it's purposfully drawn there?
:) You can't make Mannaz without inferring Ehwaz, Dagaz, & Wunjo... um, & I think you missed Tiwaz & Kenaz &, um, Eihwaz, & maybe Uruz... & the ever popular Isa (which is inferred in all Runes)...

In this instance, we know the stated intent of the charm maker (moi :D )... so it's not really necessary to look for any 'hidden' Runes... in other discussions on the board (the ones in the Fertility Forum come to mind), where the intent of the charms, or the specific Runes used in the BindRune were not known, or clear, we had tried to 'dissect' the BindRunes to better understand cause & effect.

BindRunes, like all aspects of magic, simply take a little study, a little thought, & a little practice. While I personally prefer to use a Practical Rune Magic solution carved onto a votive, I don't avoid BindRunes just because unintended Runes might be found in the charm; rather I try to think the BindRune through to avoid unintended Runes, as far as is possible...

Hope this makes sense...

[Flar's Freyja]

Wow, Manstranger, you've really put Rick to work here ;)

I don't have any unusual situations to post a question about right now, but I'm wondering if Rick wouldn't mind posting a quick outline of the steps we should take when formulating our own rune charms?

[Rick]

Originally posted by Freyja
Wow, Manstranger, you've really put Rick to work here ;)

I don't have any unusual situations to post a question about right now, but I'm wondering if Rick wouldn't mind posting a quick outline of the steps we should take when formulating our own rune charms?
Hehehe... ya know, I pondered this question for 24 hours, & I still don't really have an answer... I can't say that I follow an outline when I'm trying to decide what to use in a particular Rune charm... I just think about which Rune (or Runes) best apply... for me, that comes from study (& a bit of trial & error :D )... sorry, but I really can't think of any other way to put it...

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by Rick

Hehehe... ya know, I pondered this question for 24 hours, & I still don't really have an answer... I can't say that I follow an outline when I'm trying to decide what to use in a particular Rune charm... I just think about which Rune (or Runes) best apply... for me, that comes from study (& a bit of trial & error :D )... sorry, but I really can't think of any other way to put it...

So ~ making a charm is different than making a bindrune in that you can choose the runes that best apply to the situation without having to worry that you'll create extra, unwanted runes, correct? Should we have any concerns that the runes we choose for rune charms may influence each other or the working negatively?

[Rick]

Originally posted by Freyja
So ~ making a charm is different than making a bindrune in that you can choose the runes that best apply to the situation without having to worry that you'll create extra, unwanted runes, correct?Correct... Should we have any concerns that the runes we choose for rune charms may influence each other or the working negatively?Um... I can't think of any reason why that would happen making a charm using the Practical Rune Magic method... I can think of reasons it might happen in a BindRune... some Runes compliment each other... Sowilo & Tiwaz come to mind; or Runes that correspond with the same element, such as Dagaz & Thurisaz (fire), or Ansuz & Gebo (air). Some Runes don't compliment each other so well, such as Sowilo (the Sun) & Isa (Ice); in a bind Rune they would act against each other, but I've used them both together in a weather charm...

[Russ Welch]

something you might try is what i call a nightmare hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
take ingwaz .... place it on top of ehwaz............
then inside of ingwaz palce elhaz
put eihwaz on its side crossing elhaz
.................................................................................................
what it all means. it is a hero riding a horse
careing a bow and a arrow of elk grass .......
the hero will ride around you and take out scarry stuff that invades your dreams
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
I made it for my my daughter when she had nighmares

[ANUR36]

All right, if you aren't already familiar with the Practical Rune Magic threads, check them out in the stuck thread at the top of this forum. #1 explains about using a votive candle, casting a circle, etc. For this particular problem, I would carve: East-Mannaz, for intellectual control; South-Nauthiz, to symbolize overcoming the fears; West-Laguz, for emotional control; North-Wunjo, achieving happiness. I would use a blue candle.


Maybe you could draw on a piece of paper what is ailing you and burn it with the flame of the candle....
I use alot of candle magick myself......

btw, what is a garth?

[Rick]

Originally posted by ANUR36
Maybe you could draw on a piece of paper what is ailing you and burn it with the flame of the candle....
I use alot of candle magick myself......
Should work...
btw, what is a garth?
'Garth' means 'enclosure', or 'enclosed area'... like a walled-in place...

[ANUR36]

Thank you My Mentor....

[Russ Welch]

Originally posted by ANUR36



btw, what is a garth?


no rik, hes a contry singer man

[Flar's Freyja]

Yep. Good to see you, Russ!

[Russ Welch]

its good to be seen

[Rick]

Originally posted by Russ Welch
no rik, hes a contry singer man
Yep, from your hometown, eh?