Speculation on Change

[Shatril]

I have been doing a lot of work on my chart, and discovering all kinds of things about what makes Shatril tick. However, I was really wondering about the NN stuff, because it is our soul agenda.

So I have a couple of traits that constantly keep popping up in my chart. They are all over the place including in my NN. So I'm wondering if I will ever be able to change these things, if it is part of the agenda. I have tried many times to change these aspects of my life as they keep causing me trouble, but once the trouble passes, I'm right back to my old stuff again. Is it possible that because it is part of the agenda/karma even, that this will continue because I need this lesson to carry into my next life or eternity?

Just wanted to get others opinion of this.

Shatril

[Dark_Tezcatlipoca]

For a minute there I thought this was a Barrack Obama thread :lol:

[punxzen]

i think that there are aspects which are simply a part of who you are, and sometimes certain aspects will manifest themselves in ways that suck because you are ignorant of their purpose and therefore fail to use them to help you achieve your life purpose. they are like the punks and hippies of your soul. when you ignore the positive value that they can bring you then they seem to just totally suck. its not enough to try to minimize their influence or isolate them from your consciousness, these are aspects of your character that have the energy to manifest and they want to be respected for the unique values they have to offer. perhaps if you post your chart we can look for your punks and hippies and maybe figure out what they are there for.

[RainInanna]

You always have a great, interesting way to explain things, punxzen

[RedRose]

Blessings Shatril and Punxyen and RainInnana,

"Your punks and hippies"? Uh...I like punks and hippies, so that shows my opinion I guess.

Seems to me that our best traits and our worse traits are the same. Take a women lawyer who is very skilled and ambitious. She may also at times be a barracuda. Every sign of the zodiac has it's wonderful and not so wonderful tendencies. Our scopes show us where we need to work at balance, and/but you are never going to turn an Aries into a Pisces.

From where we sit, Shatril, you are an inspiring , wonderful and talented person, and a fine astrologer. You are really working on yourself, modeling for readers how deep and wide astrology can go. Your process feels Chironic; which is never easy but Chiron work pays off!

Since Chiron is in your 2nd House (Punxyen has a 2nd House Chiron too) the main lesson is deeply grokking that your worth is not reflected in your "net-worth", success for you is not about money, land and stuff. Success for Chiron in 2nd House folks is about real soul security.

Ken Ward says:

http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesChiron.htm#o2Taurus

Chiron in 2nd House:

You may think that you must accumulate and save money, or that you need to separate from wealth and possessions. In uniting the desire for wealth and the belief you should not be materialistic you use your unifying energy to seek the solution within both of the opposites. You may bring about healing for others through therapy such as massage, osteopathy, and similar practical arts, or you may be a teacher of these subjects.

Hope this helps,

RedRose

[Shatril]

Thanks RedRose for all those wonderful things you said :blushes: Of course my Leo appreciates that praise :hehehehe:

I guess I see what you mean. Can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. :rollingla I love when you tell me things that seem so obvious, and I just seem to miss seeing it.

Since Chiron is in your 2nd House (Punxyen has a 2nd House Chiron too) the main lesson is deeply grokking that your worth is not reflected in your "net-worth", success for you is not about money, land and stuff. Success for Chiron in 2nd House folks is about real soul security.

I have just been struggling with this my whole life, and here you come and tell me this at this late juncture in my life. Well see, I guess it was time for me to learn the lesson, and a hard one it has been. I have gone from I'm happy with a bed a table and chair, and a lawn chaise for my furniture; to owning so much stuff that it is suffocating me. I am having trouble keeping up with my belief that it isn't about the stuff. I still keep thinking that I am failing when I can't do everything I want to, to remodel the house. So there it is, the sad realization that I am putting so much pressure on myself that I am no longer having fun. <heavy sigh> I want to move to a convent. I just want some security right now.

:hugz: Shatril

Oh Punxzen here is my chart. I know it is here somewhere, but I couldn't find it. So here it is again.