Game 6 - Who is it?

[RedRose]

Hi All,

Below is the horoscope of a famous man born in the 1800s. I am letting it out that this is a man to make it a bit easier.

Red Rose

[RedRose]

Oops, I meant to call this thread Game 4, not Game 6 - sigh! Just like this historic fellow to mess me up! Here is some of his basics from www.astrology-numerology.com:

Cancer Rising: Being extremely receptive, you may be somewhat psychic or at least extremely sensitive to your environment. Your moods are very strong and changeable, much like the tides. You are ruled by your strong emotions and intuition. You can change moods in a significant way, two or three times in any day. You respond to life through feelings and emotions, instead of from thinking. You can become easily upset, but never stay that way for any length of time. When you are in control of your emotions, you can be the most understanding person one could hope to find. You are compassionate and receptive, in touch with those around you. When you are not in control, you can be miserable; the victim of your moods and sensitivities.

Rule by Moon in Pisces with Sun in Libra:

The combination of your Sun sign and your Moon sign produces a personality with much breadth and scope. In your quiet, pensive way, you are always watching, staring, observing, and mulling over in your mind what you have seen. You are extremely sensitive, and there is much more to you than ever really meets the eye. Pisces is highly receptive and deep. You are quite timid for social Libra, and most will consider you one who stands off and is aloof or distant. As suggested, the Libra influence pulls against this tendency because it is the most sociable of signs. These contradictory pulls in your nature make you very difficult for others to understand. Reserve and shyness seem your main strengths. You are not a social hermit only because a core of strength within you that urges you to become involved in life instead of sitting on the sidelines. In group situations, unlike many Libra types, you don't overwhelm others with your polite charm and outgoing personality. Instead you express a quiet, reserved manner that seems to take no effort on your part no matter how much activity is going on around you. You have a genuine concern for others and you can convey this to them. You are a superb listener. You are an idea person, but not necessarily an idealist. You get along with moderate effort, relying on your good sense. Perhaps a sixth sense helps you in many of your endeavors as you can grasp abstractions and intricacies, both mentally and emotionally. You are good at guesses and always a good detective.

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What jumps out at you about this man's horoscope?

RR

[plumedsnake]

this person is in tune with the environment and probably finds it's easy to tune into the emotional state of the people around him. This is not only because he has cancer on the ascendant but also because the moon which rules this is in pisces which adds a lot of dreaminess to the character. The pisces influence may make the intuition less focused and more vague. If harsh reality is brought to bear too heavily on this subject then drugs, drink and other forms of escapism will probably be indulged in. But even without substances or drink this person will find it very easy to escape into their imagination.

There is probably a strong spiritual bent. IF the moon tells us about someone's immediate environment and the energies that surround him and the moon is in pisces then I imagine a religious (or rather spiritual) background and environment at home. Furthermore the moon in pisces suggests that the moon is strongly under the influence of Jupiter which is in Scorpio. There is therefore a strong need to control the energies in the environment. Possibly by involvement in the occult or by involvement in politics (behind the scenes rather than standing in office).

In fact, that behind-the-scenes-ness seems to be a strong trait of this character and also the source of much conflict. All the water signs are in effect in the chart and water is a reticent behind the scenes kinda influence. There is a need to be undercover. This person is probably shy or secretive. I see a lot of hermit like qualities. The conflict comes about from the influence of the air signs which are more communicative and outgoing and extrovert. The Libran Sun contradicts the Cancer ascendant. Perhaps this will make the subject a bit gauche in social interactions for a libran. I see the cancerian reticence winning out over the Libran outgoingness.

Also Saturn in Aquarius conflicts with the Jupiter and mercury in Scorpio. While Scorpio is secretive and occult Saturn in Aquarius will be very idealistic and will champion those ideals even to the point of preaching about them. Saturn in Aquarius suggest clubs, and groups of friends that share the same ideals. This person may be involved in associations and clubs but these will be a source of conflict for him. Perhaps the club involves him playing a public role and speaking out, while much in his nature would rather remain secret. I see a big conflict between exposure and secrecy.

Being so spiritual and having Saturn strongly placed in Aquarius suggests organised religion to me. Like a preacher in church who would rather not have the role.

[RedRose]

Plumedsnake,

That is all 100% accurate. With unaspected NorthNode on the Midheaven. This person got known for it all too.

How about Chiron conjunct Neptune in the 10th (opposite Sun/Venus conjunct in the 4th)? What kind of wound is this?

RedRose

[plumedsnake]

Plumedsnake,

That is all 100% accurate. With unaspected NorthNode on the Midheaven. This person got known for it all too.

How about Chiron conjunct Neptune in the 10th (opposite Sun/Venus conjunct in the 4th)? What kind of wound is this?

RedRose

I've never really used asteroids before or any of the planets beyond saturn. I'll give it a go though. I'll get to this after I've thought about it a little.

[plumedsnake]

okay, this might sound like rubbish but I'm gonna give it a try anyway. Neptune and chiron implies a connec tion between mysticism and his woundedness. Maybe matyred for his mysticism. His imagination was a source of woundedness, maybe distress. Maybe he was mad (or she was mad). opposite sun and venus would suggest that his/her relations with women (the opposite sex) suffered as a result. Being at the midheaven and the nadir suggests some kind of conflict between a very public life (public office? government?) and his/her private life.

[RedRose]

Hi Plumedsnake,

Right on. Your skills are true. This is a man. I decided to let that be known on this one upfront, because we are working with a 19th Century famous person, and that feels a bit harder to me. Maybe not!

Trying out new planets and asteroids is fun - see if they work - and easy. Just learn another symbol and compute. Like Vesta is our inner holy woman, the priestess, and Pallas Athena is our fierce feminist and career woman, Ceres is the Mama archetype, and Juno is the wife but can be quite like Kali. She wants peace on earth, equality, and to bring down the military-industrial complex, authoritarianism and patriarchy. So we can tell a lot about a woman by which ones show up strongest. In men we can snoop into their relationships with women. I will write about how our mystery man has all these asteroids/goddesses in Virgo in the 3rd House. Please join in, you and others too. What is the up amd down side of Virgo? What is the up and down side of the 3rd House?

But right now, back to Neptune/Chiron in the 10th House opposite Sun/Venus in the 4th House.

You wrote: "Neptune and chiron implies a connection between mysticism and his woundedness. Maybe matyred for his mysticism. His imagination was a source of woundedness, maybe distress. Maybe he was mad (or she was mad). opposite sun and venus would suggest that his relations with women suffered as a result. Being at the midheaven and the nadir suggests some kind of conflict between a very public life (public office? government?) and his private life."

Also Neptune in the 10th House in Taurus sounds a bit like a stubborn and jealous God (Neptune), conjunct Chiron in Aries (A Firery wound, warrior being tortured) in the 10th House of Papa. This is opposite a sensitive, artistic ego(Venus) child/ego (Sun) in the 4th House of Mother. His parents were strict (Papa), humorless, fearful (Mama) fundamentalist Christians.

See how this opposition is T Squared to Mars in the 6th in Capricorn? What's the up side and down side to Mars in Crappy-corn and the 6th House? What kind of child was he?

Now notice that he has a retrograde Saturn in the 8th in Aquarius (conjunct Part of Fortune - yes Shatril, he made money in 8th House futuristic pursuits). This counter-culture Saturn is in easy/fast aspects to that Neptune/ Chiron opposite Sun/Venus. Again, what kind of child was he?

RedRose

[plumedsnake]

He was one of those victorian people that liked to experiment with seances.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle?

[RedRose]

Plumedsnake,

Good guess, but no - not Arthur Conan Doyle (author of Sherlock Holmes stories and books on spiritualism).

RR

[RedRose]

Hi All,

Below are canned interpretations of the asteroid/goddesses in Virgo in the 3rd House. They all fit, except that with all of them in one place, with all that feminine action in Virgo, opposite such an dreamy Pisces Moon in the idealistic 9th House of Holiness - we have a man who idealizes women a great great deal. However, the Virgo/Pisces axis when it is stressed or twisted is known for getting pretty kinky too (see Jeff Green in his books on Pluto).

Also notice that all that Virgo/Virgin Goddess energy in the House of Sisters (3rd House) is Grand Earth Trined to this man's Victorian Pluto in Taurus and his Mars in Capricorn.

http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/asteroids.htm

Vesta in the Third:

Your area of devotion is communication, seeking new experiences and knowledge and disseminating what you have garnered thus far. There may be some challenge or sense of limitation in your ability to communicate, in order to pressure you into clarifying your thoughts.

Vesta in Virgo:

Devotion to service may become a compulsion here, making you too serious and driven. Your devotion and sense of duty are excellent, but you may be unaccepting of human frailties in yourself and others, or suppress (twist) your sexuality because of impossibly exacting standards. Learning to relax, laugh and play would be a good focus for you. You are a very capable and productive worker.

Juno in the Third:

Compatibility is based upon open communication for you. You may find that discussing things with your partner(s) is how you come to grips with or understand the issues and events in your life. Important relationships will develop within an environment of verbal expression or networking.

Juno in Virgo:

You have high expectations in terms of daily performance and fulfillment of tasks, your relationships will likely be organized, efficient and somewhat (very) ritualistic. You strive for perfection in all the details of life, and if the partner(s) fails to fulfill your expectations, you tend to be critical and nit-picking. You may be drawn to mate(s) who is(are) very efficient and task-oriented, or a crafts(wo)man.

Pallas Athene in the Third:

You are highly intuitive and communicative, and use language as your medium of healing and creativity. You could be a gifted and revolutionary educator or an environmental activist. You are very intelligent and eager to learn.

Pallas Athene in Virgo:

Your healing focus is health care, nutrition and exercise, and purification techniques. Artistically you promote fine craftsmanship, teaching skills and techniques that have practical usefulness. Your form of wisdom has to do with discrimination and elimination, seeing and preserving the essence of any experience or situation.

Ceres in the Third:

Your focus is on nourishing the mind, providing an education and exposure to a variety of experiences, teaching communication skills and creating a support network.


Ceres in Virgo:

Here the mothering (nurturing) experience is about fostering competence, self-discipline and discriminating perception. Teaching skills and techniques and valuing excellence are the ways you give nurturing.

[RedRose]

Hi All,

The other biggie in this chart is this man's Victorian era Pluto (in Taurus) in the 11th House, T Squaring his counter-cultural (Retrograde Saturn in Aquarius) and revolutionary Uranus in Leo in the Pagan Houses (2nd and 8th).

RR

[plumedsnake]

Aleister Crowley

[RedRose]

Yes, Aleister Crowley. The wickedest man in Victorian England - someone had to play this role. His parents literally thought he was the anti-Christ, mark of the beast, 666 and all that. Known as the perfect Libra - just as good as he was bad. Just as bad as he was good too.

RR