so, dont mean to be morbid...

[flar7]

but does anybody read entrails anymore? Just curious......:eek:

[Flaire-FireStar]

:sick: Maybe if I could stomach it; I might try it.

[Flar's Freyja]

For those who don't know what Flar is talking about (I didn't!):

HEPATOSCOPY

Hepatoscopy is a form of divination using the entrails of animals.

In ancient times the liver was regarded as the focal point of life and of special occult importance.

The liver was divided into sections with each section representing a particular diety.

The markings in these zones were of great importance

From:http://www.paralumun.com/hepa.htm

Thus far I haven't found any info as to whether anyone still practices it.

[Flaire-FireStar]

Thus far I haven't found any info as to whether anyone still practices it.

I'd seriously doubt it.. I think hepatoscopy is like uromancy or tyromancy. ;) People would probably think you were crazy if you did it.

[Flar's Freyja]

And this sounds just as bad, if not worse :eek:

cephalonomancy
Divination by boiling the head of an ass.

[Flaire-FireStar]

ANTHROPOMANCY is the long-outlawed means of divination by human sacrifice. :ack:


CEPHALOMANCY refers to divination with the skull or head of a donkey or goat.


HIEROMANCY or HIERSCOPY is divination by observing object of ancient sacrifice.


OMPHALOMANCY IS counting the number of knots in the umbilical cord to predict how many more children the mother will have :ugh:

from http://www.angelfire.com/tx/afaceinacrowd/glossdiv.html

[Flar's Freyja]

That's right, Flar, start a morbid discussion in my forum and then just run off.......;)

[Wicce]

And how would you get the entrails? You'd have to kill some animal, or cough up some money at a butcher. Nooo thank you :) Frankly I would just barbeque the entrails, or something...and get a good scrying mirror :)

[Flar's Freyja]

:eek: I'm scared of you! ;):lol:

[Flaire-FireStar]

Go to a slaughter house and ask for them? :eyebrow:


I'd be kinda freaked out about getting an entrail reading anyway

[Flar's Freyja]

I've been frustrated by the lack of detailed info on some of these not so well known methods. Often, I can only find definitions and no info on which culture they're from or how they're done :mad:

[Flaire-FireStar]

I know what you mean! :flamer:

Should go consult the encyclopedias or something. grrr

[Flar's Freyja]

OMG :eek: The Encyclopedia! What a concept!

[Flaire-FireStar]

Have to go to the library today anyway

Might as well make it worthwhile. ;)

[Lavender]

I remember my grandmother telling me about fortune tellers in China that would read chicken entrails on a birth of a child. Sorry...she never told me the details.

[Rick]

Originally posted by Wicce
And how would you get the entrails? You'd have to kill some animal, or cough up some money at a butcher. Nooo thank you :) Frankly I would just barbeque the entrails, or something...and get a good scrying mirror :) Ya'll are obviously NOT from the South... ever hear of chitlins? 8O

Mmmmmmmm... BBQ'ed entrails...

Entrail reading is something for which I just don't have the guts... :T

[Witchy Cowgirl]

aaaaaahhhhhhh CHITLINS
smell 'em boilin now

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by Rick
Entrail reading is something for which I just don't have the guts... :T

I don't have the stomach for it either :ack:

Hey, Flaire ~ didya check out the encyclopedia?

[Flaire-FireStar]

:dis: Nothing yet. I'll keep looking though. ;)

[Flar's Freyja]

We used to have a set but I gave them away.

[Flaire-FireStar]

I checked out 2 of our sets; nothing. I have to dig out the other set though. *sigh* :)

[Flar's Freyja]

:eek: I didn't mean for you to really do it!

[Flaire-FireStar]

It's no problem; really. :)

[flar7]

also, with entrails..... sometimes they would use a partially matured egg. chicken egg. (I believe it would still be mostly yolk?) but some blood was required.....?

[Flar's Freyja]

Wanna share with us where you're getting this wealth of info, Honey?:smooch:

[Old Witch]

:sick:

[Flaire-FireStar]

Originally posted by Freyja
Wanna share with us where you're getting this wealth of info, Honey?:smooch:

That would be nice. :eyebrow: Might not have to tear apart the library. :lol:

[Phoenix Blue]

Quoth Freyja:
And this sounds just as bad, if not worse :eek:

cephalonomancy
Divination by boiling the head of an ass.
The head of a. . ? **Twists his mind into a pretzel** Oh!! A Congressman's head! I gotcha now! :bigredgri

[Flaire-FireStar]

Originally posted by Freyja


Hey, Flaire ~ didya check out the encyclopedia?

I did today. :dis: Still nothing. :rolleyes:

[flar7]

Originally posted by Freyja
Wanna share with us where you're getting this wealth of info, Honey?:smooch:


just stuff stuck in head.......dont remember where I learned it.

Incans and Aztecs used to read the human entrails after the heart
was removed in sacrifice.

[shnen]

should have a warning on the title of this thread... :sick:

not a first thing in the morning thread!;)

[Flar's Freyja]

Hmm, I actually found a little more on it:

The proper and careful examination of entrails can tell you a great deal, can answer your most profound questions, can lead you on paths of discovery and enlightenment. Some types of entrail-divination include: by sacrificial appearances, Aruspicy (or Haruspicy), Hieromancy, Hieroscopy; by the entrails of animals sacrificed, Extispicy; by the entrails of a human sacrifice, Anthropomancy; by the entrails of women & children, Antinopomancy; by the entrails of fishes, Ichthyomancy; by examining the liver of sacrificed animals, Hepatoscopy, Hepatomancy; by reading cut sections of a goat liver, Splanchnomancy. YOU can have an exciting career in the expanding field of entrail-divination! Here's how:

WHAT TO DO:


Sharpen your knives. Repeat until thin.
Utter preparatory prayers and incantations.
Take some living thing to an alter.
Cut it open whilst asking certain questions.
Examine the entrails for:
color
texture
shape
odor
taste
contents
Comparing the entrails to the descriptions and pictures on the attached card, determine the probable answers to your questions and inquiries.
Proclaim your findings.
Collect appropriate fees.
Shoo away all spectators.
Roast and devour the sacrifice.
Solicit further inquiries.
Goto #1.

http://www.sonic.net/~ric/go/vfaith2.htm#entr ;)

[Flaire-FireStar]

:sick: Not quite a good thread to read while you're eating.


Interesting though, I have to say

[Flar's Freyja]

And a bit tongue-in-cheek :lol:

[flar7]

Originally posted by Freyja
And a bit tongue-in-cheek :lol:

groan! was that a pun?:rolleyes: :D

[Flar's Freyja]

:huh:

*goes off to fix liver and onions*

[Silver Venus]

Yuck :sick: :T

What about placenta's? Has anyone heard of anyone trying to read there's? Let alone eat it? :p

[flar7]

:sick: ok, ya got me on that one:sick:

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by Silver Venus
Yuck :sick: :T

What about placenta's? Has anyone heard of anyone trying to read there's? Let alone eat it? :p

You guys are really making me work :dis:

No, I haven't heard of reading them, but I have heard that they should be buried and a tree planted over them as a little ritual of thanksgiving. These days the hospitals will not give them to you because they consider them a "biohazard." An acquaintance of mine is currently having a fit because she is having a hysterectomy and the hospital said she can't have her uterus to burn in ritual!

I had my doctor show me my middle son's placenta after the delivery because I wanted to see where my baby had lived. I was just grateful the first one and I were still alive after our ordeal and didn't think to ask that time :)

[Silver Venus]

Gosh, that sounds silly why they wont let you take it home, they let you take kidney stones and other stuff dont they.. maybe the rules are differnet over here as ~
In baby class last week, the mid-wife told us that she had only known of one lady who took her placenta home and fried it up with onions and such like liver :sick: she also reported back that it didnt taste very nice and was too chewy to really eat :sick:

:) I too want to see my placenta, and maybe feel it (depends on how I am feeling at the time :T) as its been the life source for my baby.. they look (from the tv) really interesting too, one side is all flat and the other all brainy like and veiny).
Thanks for the info Freyja :)

[flar7]

:sick: okay................stop...............please......:sick: no more!
I beg of you! :sick:............

[mol]

Originally posted by Wicce
And how would you get the entrails? You'd have to kill some animal, or cough up some money at a butcher. Nooo thank you :) Frankly I would just barbeque the entrails, or something...and get a good scrying mirror :)

Well, not to stir up any anti-meat or anti-hunter sentiment. But, if you hunted for your own food then...

Well...you know.

[mol]

Oh and I forgot to add...

You all are sick.

[Flar's Freyja]

Originally posted by flar7
:sick: okay................stop...............please......:sick: no more!
I beg of you! :sick:............

:eyebrow: This from he who started this thread? And he who thinks childbirth is all joy and rapture? :eyebrow:

:eek: Mol! Uh....good to see ya here.....

SV ~ I'd say that their posts add a little more validity to the view that WE are the stronger gender ;):lol:

[flar7]

True, I dont have the strength to eat any part of me that comes
out or drops off. I figure if that happens, I just wasnt meant to
have that specific part or thingy anymore!:p

[Flar's Freyja]

I'm not touching that one...........

[flar7]

Originally posted by flar7
True, I dont have the strength to eat any part of me that comes
out or drops off. I figure if that happens, I just wasnt meant to
have that specific part or thingy anymore!:p

hmmmm? the whole thing or a specific part? heheheh

[Old Witch]

Has anyone actually watched a dog or cat give birth?? They eat the placenta to keep down the scent of birth (to keep predators away), and because it is nourishing, they are kinda stuck with feeding their young.........maybe looooooooooong ago, we did too......but not me, no way..... not fried, barbequed, grilled....whatever.....................

[Silver Venus]

wow thats really interesting :) Not me either.. but thanks for the info. I got my cat doctored so she wont be having any kitts which is a little sad but I just couldnt bear to give them away and I would of ended up with a whole house full of cats!

[Flar's Freyja]

Bump

[Gwion]

"Happy enTrails to you, until we meat again..."

[flar7]

bump. cause valentines day is near, and the heart is an organ, and this is about organs...

[Bainidhe Dub]

Ok, definitely not a thread for the weak-stomached lol.. but very interesting.

Did anyone ever find what cultures some of these... practices... originated from?

[Mòrag Elasaid Ní Dhòmhnaill]

Actually some hospitals will let you take home the placenta. When I gave birth to my son, even though I had a midwife deliver him, it was at the hospital, and they did offer me the placenta should I have wanted it. I just let them take care of that. Not much of one for keeping that sort of thing.

[flar7]

where reading entrails originated? its as old as time and in many cultures.

[Rick]

Probably in Scotland, when someone was cookin' up a batch of haggas...

[flar7]

bump.

and lets kinda stay on topic. :stooges:

[Javyn]

I know this topic is OLLLDDDDD but hey better a late reply than none at all. The ancient Greeks and Romans commonly practiced extispicy on oxen they sacrificed to the gods. They believed an animal sacrificed to a god would provide that god with nourishment, hence creating a momentary link between them. So reading the spilled organs was a great way to see what was on the god's mind. :)

That and bird signs were the two big forms of divination for those cultures I believe.

[lil_suzie]

My dad does it somtimes but I dont know what hes looking for or
what it means and its usualy just somthing like "yeah its gonna be
tough as nail this month" and not anything real amazing or anything.
I always thought it was strange but he said people done it for along
time but I don't think he realy knows nothing about it realy, I think he
just does it to make me look at him funny. I'll ask him of it.