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Rhianna813
June 11th, 2008, 05:42 PM
I just signed my 4.5 year old son into Spiral Scouts. Our Circle has been around for a couple of years and is quite large. It has 5 smaller groups called Hearths and a huge waiting list to get into a Hearth.

My Hearths leader is a good friend of mine and she does an amazing job thinking of creative ideas for badges and finding local resources for the kids to learn and have fun. Visiting farms, community gardens, bakeries, making maypoles, worm composting, etc… But we’ve both noticed how flakey our group is. There are 10 kids and only about 1/3 of families show up for meetings. And apparently this takes the leader to email and call people and then call again the day before to remind them. She feels like a nag, but sometimes we need to reserve things in advance. This lack of involvement and flakiness seems so uncool to me. Especially given there is a waiting list of kids and parents who might really love to join.

The only reason I got into the group is because so many scouts didn’t come to the meeting, so she decided to add more. I am not sure if the other Hearths have this problem, but we are the largest in “numbers”.

I guess the main issue is that people are just plain flakey – and our town has some of flakiest around for sure. I get that, I’m from here. But I also think it’s because the program is very affordable. It’s only like $15 to join the organization for the whole year. Our Hearth has $ 2-5 sliding scale monthly dues, which people also flake on. I wonder if people just do not take it as seriously as they would $200 gymnastic class. Ya know?

Anyway, I am looking for ideas to help motivate people to get more involved and be more responsible. The only thing I can think of is to assign roles to them, maybe on a rotating calendar. From past experience, people are less flakey if they know they *need* to be there because their part is needed. Right now, we assign snack duty to someone but that’s about it.

Or a better way to communicate so that the leader isn’t making so many phone calls, emails, etc. We have a forum for whole Circle with subforums for each Hearth. But only a few actively use it. Would a phone tree work? Or would crucial info be lost along the way.

Another radical idea, which I can not see going over well is to have a probationary period for families before they are officially joined to the Hearth. Or some kind of inactive status if they miss too many meetings. Maybe they’d be bumped back to the waiting list.

Got ideas? I could use em. Thanks!!

Rhianna

PS: SpiralScouts is a scouting program for boys and girls age 4 – 13 or beyond. It’s Pagan oriented and kids earn badges and learn about nature, community and personal growth.

_Mo_
June 11th, 2008, 05:57 PM
I think these words would best be uttered at a meeting. It might take a lot more nagging than usual, but it sounds like you need to get as many people together as possible and then talk to them about this matter. It's not right that there is a waiting list of people who would love to participate, but their spots are taken up by these flakers. This annoys me; I would love for there to be an active Circle in my area, and now I'm hearing of people who aren't taking advantage of theirs from sheer laziness. >:|

MonSno_LeeDra
June 11th, 2008, 06:09 PM
I hate to say it but your dealing with an age old problem. Over the years I was a Cub Scout Den Leader, A WEBLOS Den Leader, a Pack Leader, a Boy Scout Troop leader and coach for a number of little league sports.

On average I'd say we could get maybe 30 percent of the parents to assist and help us. Like your leader that also included news letters, phone calls, parents meetings, follow up phone calls, even door to door visists at times.

I will admit the little league had better averages as we assigned the parents to snack and drink rotating listings and duty in the snack bar at the fields. If they did not do it thier child did not paly was the league rules in most areas we were at.

One thing you might try is to get a parent to do a craft project with the children. We tried that for a bit and it worked pretty good until the list cycled over and the parents ran out of ideas.

Sorry I can't be of more help but I wish you luck.

Rhianna813
June 11th, 2008, 06:49 PM
Getting the parents to help is not a big problem when they show up. It's getting them to show up. Last time 3 families who said they would be there for sure.... didn't show.

What happens is, if we're working towards a badge, they have to make up the activity at home or we have to reschedule the event. The leader tries to keep a steady every other Sunday schedule, but things change has holidays come up (think Father's day) or opportunities that are not open on Sundays. Having to track people down and pull a yes or no out of them is no fun.

And yeah... I know SO many people who would be jealous to know that we have huge Pagan population and SpiralScout group in our area, when they don't have any. But I live in flakeytown central LOL

I took over leading the Full Moon group I am in, and things have been going really good. A little organization helped tremendously. But our Moon group opens each year to new members, which naturally changes things up and gives chance to overhaul it. And of course it's free. With Scouts you pay to join... maybe parents think that just releases them from all responsibility.

Anyway, the leader and I are GOOD friends so I am going to share any ideas I have to improve things. I just joined and am getting to know others, but already I agree with her about the flakiness.

Thanks for your feedback and support guys.

Ivy Artemisia
June 11th, 2008, 09:18 PM
One idea is first of all, have a parent meeting! Have the leader tell them how she feels and then put out a monthly newsletter. This newsletter can have the upcoming events, badges worked on, anything awesome one of the scouts accomplished, etc.

At the parent meeting, you can also mention the dues, and maybe offer to have them pay in advance if they want to. Lot of people won't write a check or have $5 lying around each month. If they can pay $20 over four months- it might help. Also, with such a low dues level... well, there is a percieved value about money- and what they get for it. Maybe change the dues level to $10-20 a month, or $5-$20 a month. You might get more people to participate.

The whole 'probationary period' probably wouldn't go over well... I'd pull my kids (if I had them) and join other scouting programs or activities.

brymble
July 16th, 2008, 04:34 PM
We live in the Hudson Valley. Scouting is popular here, but my son is a UU agnostic, takes "faith without certainty" seriously, and does not feel comfortable with the "God and country" aspect of Boy Scouts. So we talked about the possibility of forming a Spiral Scouts Circle or Hearth here. It seems like there would be strong interest in the area. But some parents seem to feel it's a threat to "regular" scouting.

How can we promote the group so as not to turn off the "traditional" scouting families?

Rhianna813
July 18th, 2008, 06:45 PM
We live in the Hudson Valley. Scouting is popular here, but my son is a UU agnostic, takes "faith without certainty" seriously, and does not feel comfortable with the "God and country" aspect of Boy Scouts. So we talked about the possibility of forming a Spiral Scouts Circle or Hearth here. It seems like there would be strong interest in the area. But some parents seem to feel it's a threat to "regular" scouting.

How can we promote the group so as not to turn off the "traditional" scouting families?

I think you can easily play down the Pagan/spiritual aspects of it when advertising. And play up the gender equal leadership, co gender hearths, that you’re open to ALL belief systems and all orientations and most importantly – teaching kids respect for themselves, others and the earth. You may well attract families who are looking to learn about ecology, conservation and the environment.

Our circle has jewish and budhist families too. Each hearth sets the tone for how Pagan it wants to be… I am in a definitely Pagan one. We talk about the Goddess, magic, celebrate all the Sabbats, etc. Others focus more on the elements, sustainability, volunteerism, or using Scouts along side homeschooling.

I think you can have a successful group at any spiritual level that suits your community. Of course traditional scouts uses all kinds of borrowed and pseudo Native American stuff to add a sense of spirit to their teachings. So parents are probably expecting some kind of “spirit of the land” aspect anyway. Spiral Scouts just tends to be more open about traditions this comes from and it’s infused into more than just camping.

Keep me posted!

PandoraHealer
July 18th, 2008, 06:57 PM
This is very interesting--- I'm getting together with 3 of the parents interested in spiral scouts tonight--- we're going to have our first meeting next week-- yay.

I am definatly putting this on the list of things to be addressed!

I'll update and let you know what the other parents say...

~PH


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