Xentor, what is Checkerism?

[BearDancing]

I was wondering if U could share the source of your named spiritual path....it is much along the lines that I believe...but would be interested with more in depth information on its origin...for me the questiion and answer forum is not all that informative as it is so back and forth...not even sure if this fits into checkerism

I am not sure why....yet when ever I do things I always pray...making supper thank all the veggies, meat etc (for just being and trusting in the process of life so that my family and I may be fed physically and spiritually) and all entities that are involved in the process "of my process" in preparing the meal...( do U know what a feed lot is??? it is where they box many cows in a small amount of space and they add chemicals to their food to make them gain weight ..I pass this place almosst every day and I pray for these animals letting them know they are loved and appreciated for their path even if it is not one that is natural....also giving them love and respect that some who consume them might not be aware of their sacrifice)( I live on a small acreage so I have access to organic and natural means of raising animals vegetables etc for food)....for a shower I give thanks fto the spirit of water and all entities involved in the luxury of hot and cold water...things like this...life is much prayer for me....what are some of the rituals or beliefs in checkerism...hopeing this is not too broad of a ?

[Tanya]

I guess I do't really get what you mean by 'checkerism'

but my xpressed path.. i guess could be called Hedgewitch.

I am a healer... and a poet, a teacher by trade, and a herbalist and gardener by inclination.

like you I own a small acreage and go organic.

I fear though I don't really understand your question

BB

[BearDancing]

I was in a different disscussion and the subject of checkerism came up...Xentor said it is the path that he follows...I was wondering what the path cherckerism is? as I have googled and have found no info...he said it was an ancient path yet I can find no info...I was hoping that he would share what checkerism is?

[Zephyrstorm]

There's a link in Xentor's signature to it - pretty interesting stuff, actually. :)

Voila! http://www.omegajunior.net/leven/faith/

[BearDancing]

Xentor being the Wise One? is checkerism his imagination? I thought it was ancient why no other references to Checkerism...or is the ancient path a different name? I agree that Xentor is interesting but is the path ancient?

[Zephyrstorm]

Does it matter if Xentor made it up?

Do paths only have validity through age?

[BearDancing]

definately does not matter to me if Xentor is the Wise One....only looking for more info if it is available...I was told it was an ancient path...

[Agaliha]

Xentor's The Dialogues on Checkerism (http://mysticwicks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=595) can be read in the The MysticWicks Library (http://mysticwicks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=272) as well. :)

As for the details for his path, that's for him to answer, not I.

Oh and I changed the thread's title to: "Xentor, what is Checkerism?" to make it more clear and to get his attention.

[Zephyrstorm]

definately does not matter to me if Xentor is the Wise One....only looking for more info if it is available...I was told it was an ancient path...

Ah. Gotcha! :) :thumbsup:

[BearDancing]

I did not know that no others followed the path of Checkerism...I thought maybe others here at MW may follow this path

[Agaliha]

I did not know that no others followed the path of Checkerism...I thought maybe others here at MW may follow this path

From what I understand this is Xentor's personal path & The Dialogues on Checkerism (http://mysticwicks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=595) are his own creation, written by him... though others if they wish to can follow it-- at least I've never seen him say no one else could.

That being said the only person on MW that can answer your questions about Checkerism is Xentor. ;)

! ETA:
Moving thread to General Paths.

[Xentor]

Message received. Let me read the thread before I start answering.

[Xentor]

Okay, here goes:

Is Checkerism ancient? - Checkerism was conceived about a quarter century ago, and is continuously being shaped by its followers.
Who are the followers of this path? - As far as I know, Kaylara and me are the only ones on this board who openly claim to follow this path. If there are others, they have not come forth to claim.
Who wrote the Dialogues? - I did. The inspiration comes from a combination of the teachings of the path, and the discussions I see or participate in, in various discussion boards and chatrooms on-line, as well as in real life.
Are there older sources? - There used to be 2 essays (one of them in English), both of which have been available on-line, but I don't know where they've gone. I think I have an older essay in my own language laying around somehwere.
Who is the Wise One in the Dialogues of Checkerism? - That is an imaginative figure, created specifically to answer the students' questions in the realm of the Dialogues. It isn't me, just like none of the characters in a book tend to be that book's author.
Can you sum up some basic tenets? - Reincarnation, Immanence, Pantheism + Polytheism, Creation + Evolution, Everything is Connected, All Life Matters. Within that, variations are possible. I for instance don't see the need to worship local deities, although the path itself defines an optional use for it.
Upon what are your ethics based? - On the tenet that All Life Matters. Checkerists happen to believe that Life is defined as anything containing or showing energy. Within that, we make a distinction between organic and non-organic life, and between corporeal and ethereal life. It's only dead when there's no energy left.
Do you worship? - Me personally? No. Kaylara does. But in accordance to my path, I am grateful to the objects I use and the food that I eat, as well as to those who made it so I can use or eat it. I am grateful to my wife for loving me and sacrificing a huge part of her life just to live with me. I am grateful to a great number of people, including my parents, relatives, teachers, and people that influence me from a distance, like the members of MW.
How do you worship? - Kaylara brings offerings to her gods and performs sabbatical rituals. Both of us extend our thoughts to the needy, say grace, meditate, learn, reminisce our ancestors, and teach.
Where did the name come from? - The name is based on the checkered pattern of f.i. a checker board. It depicts the manyfold of options presented to a soul in the limbo in-between incarnations, out of which they can choose their next incarnation. As such, the soul is held fully responsible for their choices in life... until such time that Deity takes control of the incarnation choices, something that won't happen for a long time, as far as I can tell.


Hope this helps! Feel free to ask more.

[BearDancing]

I was wondering if when U chat with others in regards to this path that I might be invited to learn and share...

I really appreciate U taking the time to explain all that U have...thanks

[BearDancing]

When I first came to MW after quite a few yrs...I had googled channelling energy to Mother Earth and I was lead to the thread that I first met U...I apologize if I was rude to U...I obviously did not know the edicate for MW or how different people choose to learn...

Do U channel energy to Mother Earth? I do as I said before....I am not sure if it makes a difference yet I feel very strongly that if it did not matter Spirit would never have lead me to do it...I never asked to do it it just started happening after I had grounded myself to Mother Earth....I was aware enough to reallise that Energy from other than myself... which I choose to call Divine...was moving through me into Mother Earth...and the feelings around it that I got were that Mother Earth too needs our love and support in all ways...I am thinking U beleive that we all have something to give and recieve form all that is...well that is what I give to Mother Earth...in my expereince when I have worked with animals, plants and rocks etc...they have given me great gifts and they also have reciecved from me...there is always an exchnage...I can not define what they get...yet I truly beleive when we exchange energies... both recieve and give on some level. What are your feelings around this

[Xentor]

I was wondering if when U chat with others in regards to this path that I might be invited to learn and share...

I really appreciate U taking the time to explain all that U have...thanks

You're always welcome to join in!


When I first came to MW after quite a few yrs...I had googled channelling energy to Mother Earth and I was lead to the thread that I first met U...I apologize if I was rude to U...I obviously did not know the edicate for MW or how different people choose to learn...

I never thought you were being rude to me. If I think you are, I will say so. I hope you do the same for me.


Do U channel energy to Mother Earth? I do as I said before....I am not sure if it makes a difference yet I feel very strongly that if it did not matter Spirit would never have lead me to do it...I never asked to do it it just started happening after I had grounded myself to Mother Earth....I was aware enough to reallise that Energy from other than myself... which I choose to call Divine...was moving through me into Mother Earth...and the feelings around it that I got were that Mother Earth too needs our love and support in all ways...I am thinking U beleive that we all have something to give and recieve form all that is...well that is what I give to Mother Earth...in my expereince when I have worked with animals, plants and rocks etc...they have given me great gifts and they also have reciecved from me...there is always an exchnage...I can not define what they get...yet I truly beleive when we exchange energies... both recieve and give on some level. What are your feelings around this

I haven't actively channelled energy to the Earth yet. I never felt a need. Channelling energy is not a Checkerist activity per se... though it does prove a useful tool in helping and healing. We employ this tool as such. Personally I tend to channel energy between the universe and people, animals and plants.

Checkerism defines that all life is connected and influences all other life, if not directly then indirectly. It's one of the pillars of the path; if we are connected and can influence each other, for social beings like humans it makes sense to try and do so. That connection is not limited to people: it also includes animals, plants, and non-organic beings like planets and mortar bricks, it also includes the communication between a deity and those who believe in that deity, it also includes you asking questions and me responding.

Not all of us are able to exchange feelings or memories through those connections... some of us are happy to be able to connect at all. Especially with non-organic beings like the Earth itself, that have no brain like ours and no nerve system like ours, it can prove difficult to experience a connection different from touch.

I agree with your feeling: if it wouldn't matter, you wouldn't be doing it. That is one of the Checkerist principles: everything happens for a purpose, even when that purpose remains hidden from our perception. Lots of paths share that idea.

[patch]

I have a question!

Would you say that checkerism is a path/religion unto itself, or more a philosophy that could be applicable to many paths?

[Xentor]

I have a question!

Would you say that checkerism is a path/religion unto itself, or more a philosophy that could be applicable to many paths?

I consider it a path/religion:
It defines ethics and thereby law (All Life Matters + Personal Responsibility)
It defines a purpose for our existence (to Learn and Experience)
It can be comforting in case of grief (Everything is Connected and Has Purpose)
It defines a start of our existence (Creation)
It defines an afterlife (Reincarnation)
It defines what it is that participants can achief by participating (personal improvement and indirectly improvement of everything)


Within the limits set by the path, several philosophical questions are answered and raised. The most recent one to spark an ethical conflict is this:

In case of Personal Responsibility, is a Victim personally responsible for being the victim? Should the Perpetrator be viewed as bad (for attacking) or as good (for enabling the Victim to achief their goal)? Should the Perpetrator be punished?

The attack in case was stated to be rape.

[BearDancing]

I feel they both have the same roles...perpetrator and victim.....perpetrator should be punished for their crime (that is their gift and karma)..... the victim...after dealing with the pain of the crime...may or may not be concsious enough to recieve the gift in this lifetime...their is a gift in ALL...yet does not take away the responsibility of the perpetrators for their violent actions....if the perpetrator was truly doing it for the purpose of giving the victim a gift it could be done with love and not violence..the perpetrator chose their method of giviing the gift....some forms of delivery are punishable

[Xentor]

I feel they both have the same roles...perpetrator and victim.....perpetrator should be punished for their crime (that is their gift and karma)..... the victim...after dealing with the pain of the crime...may or may not be concsious enough to recieve the gift in this lifetime...their is a gift in ALL...yet does not take away the responsibility of the perpetrators for their violent actions....if the perpetrator was truly doing it for the purpose of giving the victim a gift it could be done with love and not violence..the perpetrator chose their method of giviing the gift....some forms of delivery are punishable
If the Perpetrator is merely there to help the Victim experience an attack, should he then be punished at all?

[BearDancing]

If the Perpetrator is merely there to help the Victim experience an attack, should he then be punished at all?

In case of Personal Responsibility, is a Victim personally responsible for being the victim? Should the Perpetrator be viewed as bad (for attacking) or as good (for enabling the Victim to achief their goal)? Should the Perpetrator be punished?

The attack in case was stated to be rape.

Firstly...the only reason I feel that an attack would be a gift to a person is karmic...or that for some reason it would bring the other person to their highest good in this incarnation...

Are U saying that the attacker and the victim are both aware conciously that the victim is to experience an attack? and the reason for the attack is soley for the victims benifit? I feel that if they are both aware enough to know the attack would be a gift...karmic...then they are both conciious enough to know that the attack is no longer needed for atonement....being aware of the situation would make them both at a level of conciousness where the attack would no longer be needed .. that attonement would definately be done through acknowledgement, prayer and love. (non violence)...all is possible with love...if this attack was to lead them to their highest good...and again they are both aware...they would know what their hightest good was and they would be able to take action to proceed with that knowledge...again the attack not being a gift

If the attacker felt they were more concsious than the victim ... they would know that there are other ways of shariing the gift....When the attacker chooses violent acts they should be punished ... if not in this life...I beleive they will have some serious karma to attone to... especially if they were at a level of consiousness to know better....with higher levels of concsiousness come higher levels of responsiblily...

[BearDancing]

what are your thoughts on this Xentor

[Xentor]

We disagree about the idea that knowing the purpose of the action voids its execution. To gain the experience, the action must be executed.

As such, 2 tenets come to aid:

We hold all life precious. By damaging the victim, the victim's life becomes endangered, and possibly by proxy that of the victim's relatives and friends. Mental and physical damage will impair the victim in both personal and societal areas. If the attack is part of the victim's purpose, the damage done reaches far further than the victim, and thus should be revenged. If the attack was not part of the victim's purpose, the perpetrator violated the victim's life, which therefore should be revenged.
If the victim is responsible for their own actions, so is the perpetrator. Since we believe everything has a purpose, so does society, the judges, the jury, and the executioner. As such it doesn't matter whether or not karma will take its own revenge: the perpetrator has to accept being part of a society that disaproves of criminal behaviour, and wishes to take revenge in this life-time.


Concluding: yes, the perpetrator must be punished; the victim must be revenged.

[BearDancing]

Interesting concept.....I beleive the perpetrator should be held responsible for their actions....if there are laws broken....they are responsible to those laws....revenge???? what is revenge got to do with anything?

"We hold all life precious".....I find Your statement is contradicting....the life of the perpertrator is also precious...maybe through his/her action it will bring them to their highest GOOD....it is not for us to take away someone elses pain....as it could be that very pain that brings them to their highest Good...are we not all here to learn and grow...to bring us to our highest level of concsiiousness? What are we here for in your view?

"To gain the experience, the action must be executed." if it were only the experience that was needed I would agree with U...yet I beleive there is always something to be learned in an experiece....if U can learn what was intended without the experience...which I beleive is posssible through a higher level of concsiousness....it is the lesson learned that is of importance to me...no so much the "how" it is learned...there are many ways to learn the same lesson....I beleive that all is possible through Love...the understanding that violence can bring... can be reallised through many venues including gentle love....

The persons involved will only be imparied until they realise the higher purpose of the event...being in the mindset of revenge does not bring them to a higher level of concsiousness..the lesson is then not learned and the whole experrience will be repeated until the persons involved 'GET WHAT IT IS THEY ARE TO GET" spiritualy

I do beleive U said U beleive that ALL happens for a reason...all involved are involved for a reason so 'If the attack was not part of the victim's purpose," Is a contradicting statement...there are no mistakes...only missed opportunities to learn

I see that our views are quite different....we both own who we are...I respect U sharing yours

[Xentor]

Interesting concept.....I beleive the perpetrator should be held responsible for their actions....if there are laws broken....they are responsible to those laws....revenge???? what is revenge got to do with anything?
Revenge is there to even out the damage done to the victims. It serves a basic human urge for balance. An eye for an eye, and all that. Law is nothing but an extension to regulate revenge.


"We hold all life precious".....I find Your statement is contradicting....the life of the perpertrator is also precious...maybe through his/her action it will bring them to their highest GOOD....it is not for us to take away someone elses pain....as it could be that very pain that brings them to their highest Good...are we not all here to learn and grow...to bring us to our highest level of concsiiousness? What are we here for in your view?
Maybe... but we are here, we are a society, and we disapprove of violence. That too, we believe to serve a purpose.


"To gain the experience, the action must be executed." if it were only the experience that was needed I would agree with U...yet I beleive there is always something to be learned in an experiece....if U can learn what was intended without the experience...which I beleive is posssible through a higher level of concsiousness....it is the lesson learned that is of importance to me...no so much the "how" it is learned...there are many ways to learn the same lesson....I beleive that all is possible through Love...the understanding that violence can bring... can be reallised through many venues including gentle love....
I totally agree. Considering ways how to avoid the action probably will lead to a better understanding and avoidance of execution... however the hypothesis postulated included that the action already did take place.


The persons involved will only be imparied until they realise the higher purpose of the event...being in the mindset of revenge does not bring them to a higher level of concsiousness..the lesson is then not learned and the whole experrience will be repeated until the persons involved 'GET WHAT IT IS THEY ARE TO GET" spiritualy
Problem is, that the persons involved might not share our religious views, and may never realise their higher purpose, committing similar actions time and time again, increasing the damage done, until stopped. And maybe, their purpose is to be stopped. Society, law, and punishment exist for a reason, too.


I do beleive U said U beleive that ALL happens for a reason...all involved are involved for a reason so 'If the attack was not part of the victim's purpose," Is a contradicting statement...there are no mistakes...only missed opportunities to learn
And then... the action might not be taking place for the good of the victim... it might be taking place for the good of the perpetrator, with the victim just being that: a victim. It might be the perpetrators purpose to execute one final action, before getting caught, tried, and punished. Can you recognise divine purpose just by looking at the scientific evidence? If so, please teach me.


I see that our views are quite different....we both own who we are...I respect U sharing yours
You're welcome. I did mention this one hypothesis sparked a bit of an ethical conflict. :)

[BearDancing]

I agree with U on almost all... of the persons involved they do not seem to have a higher level of concsiousness...if they did...I stand behind my earlier posts...I beleive "no one" is a "random victim" all happens for a reason...

As for recognizing divine purpose I do beleive I can only for myself....not always but am getting better...for others I would venture to guess there are not many if any on our plane who can recognize divine purpose in others...I beleive it is a personal journey...

I enjoyed your posts

[BearDancing]

I was just thinking...can U smell the smoke....if one of my two daughters were violently raped....I am quite sure that I would want to gut the perpetrator like a dead animal....

After all I said in my posts....I am not so sure that my spirituality would be the first thing on my mind when I think of one of my daughters being hurt in such a cruel way...

These are my feelings now....I guess gutting a person would be called revenge eh? and I truely hold life precious....interesting...my reaction to the thought of my daughter being hurt....