Help dealing with possession

[Javyn]

Hey all,

It's been a long while since I posted here, so likely no one remembers me, but I am back and in serious need of help.

My gf of almost 2 years is what most psychics have called, a haunted person. Her whole life she has seen and had to deal with 'shadow people', which she believes to be mothmen. I have seen these tall figures dart by from the corners of my eyes often when being around her.

These beings, for lack of a better term, often mimick our voices to try and confuse us it seems, and also start trouble between us and our relationship.

A medium has told her that the dominant shadow being (a tall, Nosferatu looking cloaked figure) is in fact a jealous lover that had killed her in a previous life, and has stuck with her through reincarnation.

Anyway, a few weeks ago she decided to smoke Salvia, and that has apparently opened up something inside her. She is now often terrified, and says she no longer sees the shadow beings as shadows, but now they have form, and often threaten and taunt her.

Also, while we sleep, I believe this shadow being is possessing her. For instance, last night at about 5 am, she started to convulse and shake in bed, then turned to me, and said in a gutteral voice, "I AM GOING TO KILL YOU". I have seen these possessions often in her, it is easy for me to tell, because I can tell it is not her speaking by the psychotic look in her eyes and low, gutteral voice.

It seems whenever something like this happens, the medium knows, and calls us about it. Oh, I forgot to mention, we have had mediums we don't even know and have never even spoken to contact us saying she is a haunted person. And most so called psychics she has gone to have predicted an early death for her, and refuse to speak about it further, many asking that we never contact them again.

I could really use any help or advice to deal with this, we are both at our wit's end here. Sorry for the convoluted, fragmented post, but I'm still more than a little freaked out over last night having my life threatened by a shadow person.

[)O( ~ Khara~ )O(]

I um, well now. It depends on your GF's personal beliefs as to what will work. So I can't really answer until I know what type of Path she follows.

[Lunacie]

I think the first step would be to try banishing these shadow figures. I can't believe no one has suggested this to your girlfriend. It might not get rid of all of them, some may need stronger measures, but just thinning the pack would give her some space to figure out what else needs to be done.

Banishing can be as simple as saying out loud, "Go away now. I don't want you here. Leave me alone." If you both do this together, visualizing the shadows going away, it would be even more effective. You can add burning sage or salt water or The Lesser Pentagram of Banishing, anything that helps to focus the intent of making these creatures leaving you alone.

I had this work once just by thinking at the shadow, "Oh go away!" But I had one spirit try to possess me many years ago and it took everyone in my group of four people to finally banish it for good.

[Javyn]

Thanks for the responses guys, herein lies the rub:

She's an atheist, and I'm not much of a believer either.

[~*Trinity Aura*~]

Hmm... i think the fact that she is an atheist may be the issue. Ok, I know that sounds pretty bad, but I didn't mean that in a judgemental way. I'm from a predominantly Christian family and when a person is possessed, a priest would have to do an exorcism. But from the other posts about trying banishing, I would try that. Did any of the mediums you talked to give any help on trying to get rid of them? If not, that's just plain ridiculous. If not, try doing a spell that deals with protection. That should help as well. Good luck in your quest to get rid of the spirit(s) wanting to possess your gf.

[Lunacie]

You don't have to have a belief in anything beyond what is happening. Belief in the Gods is not necessary. This comes down to you and the shadows and what you do to make them leave you alone.

[Darkest Eve]

You don't have to have a belief in anything beyond what is happening. Belief in the Gods is not necessary. This comes down to you and the shadows and what you do to make them leave you alone.

This was going to be my response. Faith (or lack thereof) doesn't really have an effect on these beings... they don't care if you are hindu, christian, pagan, agnostic, atheist... if you acknowledge them, it gives them power. Fear of them gives them even more.

Banishing is a good suggestion.

After banishing, warding your living quarters is a good idea.

Simple is always a good place to start. Once you've made an attempt at banishing, a simple: "No one, no thing shall enter here without my permission" at the various entrances to your home could quite easily and effectively do the trick.

You can get more complex if the need arises... but why make it difficult if you don't have to?

Some of this stuff sounds Hollywood-cheesy, but the fact of the matter is.... they work. ;)

[Javyn]

Thanks a lot guys. As I figured, the medium we talk to now just called, knowing everything that happened. Next Saturday he said he'd come cleanse our place, and told us not to show it fear.

I really appreciate the responses, but I'm not a Pagan, and I have no idea how to banish, or what warding is, etc.

This is all so very strange and new to me. My whole life I always wanted to believe in this sort of thing, now I do, and wish I hadn't experienced it heh.

[)O( ~ Khara~ )O(]

Has she seen a mental health specialist?

I ask because, I personally don't believe these "entities" can harm one who does not believe in nor aknowledge it.

I don't think you can banish something you don't believe in. AND if she does believe in them, then maybe she needs to re-think her belief stand and work on that.

[Javyn]

Well, that's not the case. At first, of course, I did not believe her. This thing DEMANDS acknowledgment. When we try to ignore it, it gets far worse, like there are people standing all around our apartment beating on the walls constantly.

edit: She said that with her ex boyfriend (also an atheist who doesn't believe in such things) would guffaw and refuse to acknowledge it, it pushed him down the stairs. It's also spoken through her to him as well.

As a matter of fact, the first experience I had with it was while we were watching a Richard Dawkins documentary. He called the supernatural and paranormal a bunch of hocus pocus nonsense, which caused me to laugh. Immediately, everything off my nightstand next to my bed (which I was sitting on) fell off, as if someone just pulled tablecloth off the stand. What's even stranger, is that everything landed on the floor right side up. Nothing spillable spilled.

[Darkest Eve]

....argh.

Ok, firstly... being an atheist does not automatically rule out the existence of spirits, etc. One does not necessarily relate to the other, just as being a pagan does not automatically equate to practicing magic, believing in ghosts, etc etc etc.

You keep implying this, and its driving me crazy, so I had to say something. :toofless:

Javyn, warding and banishing are not unique to Paganism. You can look up either term under many different doctrines and find information on both.

If you want assistance or guidance on either or both, I would recommend looking to the portion of the forum that contains the Empathic Bunker - both are things that empaths know how to deal with very well... maybe not in the exact same situation you're in, but they can share techniques and information on how to do both, as well as helping to guide you through practice and implementation.

Reading through the empathic bunker and the various threads in that particular area may also give you some ideas, because there are sheilding techniques there... which is the same thing as warding essentially, just on a smaller scale.

A medium should be able to communicate with whatever this entity is. As the name would imply, communication with these entities is a part of their job description, and they should be able to figure out who they are, what they want, and what will convince them to leave your gf alone. A medium is a channel - and having one that you are in communication with should be making things easier, not frustrating you further.

[Lunacie]

The business with the mediums is bothering me too. How much are they charging to come in and cleanse your place? Unscruptulous people could easily send psychic constructs to scare you into paying them to come in and chase them away. Since the medium always seems to know when you're having this problem, that seems to be a troubling possibility. Especially since they aren't offering anything else for dealing with the situation.

I am an Empath and my advice in the Empathy forum would be the same as it was here. Take control of the situation and tell the shadows to get out of your house and leave you alone, and never come back. Seriously, that's often all it takes. It doesn't take a belief in a higher power, a knowledge of magical banishing and warding. Just tell them to leave and to never return.

[Javyn]

1. Eve, I was asked what our beliefs were so I answered, I implied nothing, so get off your soapbox. No need to get frustrated over that, or the fact that I don't know what a ward is. Calm down. Obviously we both know these spirits are real regardless what our beliefs are.

2. The medium is charging nothing, and she has been dealing with shadow people since she was a child, well before we met this medium.

3. We have repeatedly asked and demanded that it leave to no avail. This entity (entities) is not attached to our apartment or house, but to my gf herself. It follows us wherever we move. Asking it to leave does nothing except making it more active and aggressive.

edit: By the way, throughout her life she has been contacted by mediums out of the blue, this is by no means the first, and has had her house cleansed, for free, many times. She said either it would A) make it go away for a month or two only to come back in full force, or B) make it worse

[Graelwyn]

1) I get a very uneasy feeling about this 'medium' you speak of, and I would not trust this person, myself. I find something there somewhat 'off balance'.

2) Fear feeds energies such as this. The more you fear them, the more they thrive. Although I can understand how difficult it might be to control the innate fear response. Also remember that thoughts can create forms and any negative energy could make this worse, if indeed it isn't actually your gf's energy creating a particularly strong thought form...is there anything particularly horrific in her past (in this lifetime?)

3) Burn sage. Take salt baths. Picture a circle of light around yourselves and your home. This requires no belief in anything other than your own strength and the power of your own thoughts.

4) If a person has any mental vulnerabilities to begin with, it can be much, much easier for negative entities to latch on, so anything like that needs to be worked on.

5) It has been scientifically proven that we all do indeed have an energy field and energy points, so if she hasn't already, learning to close the chakras and to protect her energy field would not do any harm.

[Javyn]

I don't know why you all have issues with this medium, he has actually been the most help we've ever had. He sees the entities that she constantly sees, and describes them to her without her saying anything first. I'll reserve judgment until he does his cleaning. He intends to bring sage, salt, the whole shibang.

Again, he is not charging us anything, and again, this didn't just start happening when we came into contact with this guy. She (and her family) have seen shadow people all the way back to the time she was in the crib. Apparently as a toddler she was frequently visited by the 'hat man'. What I have seen though wears no top hat, but is more like an 8 foot tall Nosferatu looking figure.

More than anyone she has known probably, I have stood up to this and feared it the least. Last night was the exception though, probably because it told me it was going to kill me.

My tactic up until now was to acknowledge it, but dismiss it at the same time, seeing it as a natural occurrence like the wind, etc. This worked to keep it away from me for a while, but apparently it really angers the entity, it says it quite plainly in the EVPs we record.

Her recent salvia divinorum trip really opened the floodgates though, and we can no longer just 'deal with it'. I'd like some other suggestions if any of you are offering.

Oh, and without going into detail, yes, there has been much horror and abuse in her past.

[Darkest Eve]

1. Eve, I was asked what our beliefs were so I answered, I implied nothing, so get off your soapbox. No need to get frustrated over that, or the fact that I don't know what a ward is. Calm down. Obviously we both know these spirits are real regardless what our beliefs are.



No soapbox, and you are asking for advice - it's been given... you keep saying you know nothing about what is being referenced.

Direction and where to find the information that you say you know nothing about has also been given.

If you really want to get rid of this thing - look into the advice. You don't have to take it, but don't ask for it if you are just going to ignore it.

People are questioning the validity of the medium because this individual does not seem to be helping, but just fanning the flames.

People here are concerned - and want what is best for you and your girlfriend. Getting defensive and/or leaving out integral parts of the story isn't going to help anyone help her or you.

[Lunacie]

1. Eve, I was asked what our beliefs were so I answered, I implied nothing, so get off your soapbox. No need to get frustrated over that, or the fact that I don't know what a ward is. Calm down. Obviously we both know these spirits are real regardless what our beliefs are.

2. The medium is charging nothing, and she has been dealing with shadow people since she was a child, well before we met this medium.

3. We have repeatedly asked and demanded that it leave to no avail. This entity (entities) is not attached to our apartment or house, but to my gf herself. It follows us wherever we move. Asking it to leave does nothing except making it more active and aggressive.

edit: By the way, throughout her life she has been contacted by mediums out of the blue, this is by no means the first, and has had her house cleansed, for free, many times. She said either it would A) make it go away for a month or two only to come back in full force, or B) make it worse

Asking the shadow entity to leave probably wouldn't do anything except piss it off. Telling it to leave, unequivocally, might work better. What I said earlier was to take control of the situation and tell the shadow entity to go away and never come back. Asking it to leave simply isn't going to be effective as you still give it a choice and allow it to control the situation.


Um . . . why would you bother to have the house cleansed by a medium several times if it doesn't do anything lasting or only makes the problem worse?

[Javyn]

Yes, we've tried demanding it to leave also, it doesn't take kindly to demands.

Another question, has anyone here actually dealt with shadow people before?

[Darkest Eve]

Yes.

If I remember correctly, Lunacie also specifically said in her original post that she had.

I made my recommendation based off of personal experience.

I think others may have as well, but Lunacie was the only one I could specifically remember off the top of my head.

[Lunacie]

Yep, it was me. If demanding that the shadow entity leave you (your girlfriend) alone doesn't work, she needs to determine whether she actually believes she has the right to be left alone. If so, she may need to contact someone who has had some experience banishing these entities. If not, she may need to see a therapist or psychologist.

PS, you didn't answer my question about why you would bother to have someone come in and cleanse the house or apartment if that has never been helpful in the past, and sometimes actually angers the entity?

[Infinite Grey]

Hey all,

It's been a long while since I posted here, so likely no one remembers me, but I am back and in serious need of help.

My gf of almost 2 years is what most psychics have called, a haunted person. Her whole life she has seen and had to deal with 'shadow people', which she believes to be mothmen. I have seen these tall figures dart by from the corners of my eyes often when being around her.

These beings, for lack of a better term, often mimick our voices to try and confuse us it seems, and also start trouble between us and our relationship.

A medium has told her that the dominant shadow being (a tall, Nosferatu looking cloaked figure) is in fact a jealous lover that had killed her in a previous life, and has stuck with her through reincarnation.

Anyway, a few weeks ago she decided to smoke Salvia, and that has apparently opened up something inside her. She is now often terrified, and says she no longer sees the shadow beings as shadows, but now they have form, and often threaten and taunt her.

Also, while we sleep, I believe this shadow being is possessing her. For instance, last night at about 5 am, she started to convulse and shake in bed, then turned to me, and said in a gutteral voice, "I AM GOING TO KILL YOU". I have seen these possessions often in her, it is easy for me to tell, because I can tell it is not her speaking by the psychotic look in her eyes and low, gutteral voice.

It seems whenever something like this happens, the medium knows, and calls us about it. Oh, I forgot to mention, we have had mediums we don't even know and have never even spoken to contact us saying she is a haunted person. And most so called psychics she has gone to have predicted an early death for her, and refuse to speak about it further, many asking that we never contact them again.

I could really use any help or advice to deal with this, we are both at our wit's end here. Sorry for the convoluted, fragmented post, but I'm still more than a little freaked out over last night having my life threatened by a shadow person.


Seen a therapist? Both of you? Or even better a psychiatric physician?

I think you should.

[Æon Flux]

Seen a therapist? Both of you? Or even better a psychiatric physician?

I think you should.

I'd have to agree that a meeting with a psychiatric doctor might be a good idea. I don't know how old she is, but paranoid schizofrenia might be an issue here, either way it's always better to be safe then sorry, always check with doctors first to eliminate serious psychological or physical problems before turning to magic and ritualistic cleansings.

I know that's what I do. *shrugs*

I hope things'll work out just right in the end.

[Lunacie]

I'd have to agree that a meeting with a psychiatric doctor might be a good idea. I don't know how old she is, but paranoid schizofrenia might be an issue here, either way it's always better to be safe then sorry, always check with doctors first to eliminate serious psychological or physical problems before turning to magic and ritualistic cleansings.

I know that's what I do. *shrugs*

I hope things'll work out just right in the end.

Isn't a shared psychosis somewhat rare?

[Javyn]

LOL, interesting, coming from a Pagan forum I'm getting suggestions to see a psychiatrist. Yes, she's apparently schizo and apparently it's contagious since after we started dating I am seeing the shadow men too.

I'm sure if I read any of your post histories, I could make the same suggestion to all of you for what you have claimed to have seen and what you have believed in general.

I figured Pagans, being discriminated and disbelieved by mainstream religion and society themselves, would be more open minded. I was obviously wrong.

Thanks for all the help everyone, no need to respond further, I'm done here, pricks.

[GEBS]

LOL, interesting, coming from a Pagan forum I'm getting suggestions to see a psychiatrist. Yes, she's apparently schizo and apparently it's contagious since after we started dating I am seeing the shadow men too.

I'm sure if I read any of your post histories, I could make the same suggestion to all of you.

Thanks for all the help everyone, no need to respond further, I'm done here, pricks.



Name calling is not allowed here. You asked for advice and you got it. Not liking the advice you got is not justification for violating the respect rule.

[BlackLili]

LOL, interesting, coming from a Pagan forum I'm getting suggestions to see a psychiatrist. Yes, she's apparently schizo and apparently it's contagious since after we started dating I am seeing the shadow men too.

I'm sure if I read any of your post histories, I could make the same suggestion to all of you for what you have claimed to have seen and what you have believed in general.

I figured Pagans, being discriminated and disbelieved by mainstream religion and society themselves, would be more open minded. I was obviously wrong.

Thanks for all the help everyone, no need to respond further, I'm done here, pricks.
You know, there's no need to call names.

Its a simple questions as to whether or not you have covered your "mundane" bases before looking for magic(k)al solutions.

We suggest that to almost anyone first off. Cover your bases. Even the real world ones, like seeing a psychiatrist.

And for the record, it is not unheard of for one person who has a condition which makes them hallucinate either optically or auditory to have their perceptions rub off on another person. It's similar to experiences that turn into mass hysteria - one person's perceptions ignite someone else's fears or imagination, who then in turn starts believing in the perceptions and expresses them to another, and another, and another, etc. So, yes, not only is it possible, its documented.

Wouldn't you feel just horrible if this was because a tumor was resting on a certain spot in your g/f's brain and no one noticed it because you were busy blessing the house to get rid of your shadow men? Or if this turned out to be an easily-diagnosed condition that, with just a little medical help, could vastly improve her quality of life - and nothing ever happened because you were casting a circle to protect yourselves? We're just encouraging you to think objectively about the situation.

Now, back to the question you never answered - Have either you or your g/f seen any psychiatric help since these experiences started?

[Javyn]

Yes, of course she has, and has received a clean bill. And if that's all the advice you can all give, I bid you good day.

[BlackLili]

Getting your panties in a bunch isn't always the fastest way to make friends in this world. Just a suggestion.

Since we've upset you so terribly, I can only wonder if you'll read this - but since you're still logged into this thread, I have my guesses. :devil:

Ground and center.
LBRP would help in this case (if you don't know what it is, google it.)
Smudge with sage.
Protective sigils around areas that are the hardest hit.
Once you've "vacuumed" the area of all extemporaneous energies, replace them with ones you prefer. Throw a party, do it like they do on the Discovery channel, whatever floats your boat.
Build protective walls with your circles at doorways, windows (basically all thresholds) and remember to aim one at your highest ceiling (like in the attic if you have one,) and your lowest floor (basement or likewise).

If you've done all this and they're still getting in - someone or something in that house is inviting them. Either a person being used as a gateway, or a tool. You can only get rid of them if the controlling entities in the household truly want them gone.

Here's a wiki for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people

Note that:

Scientific explanations include:

Pareidolia

Hypnagogia

Chemical agents

Electromagnetic fields

Neurological conditions, such as photosensitive complex partial seizures

Now, quit pouting.

[Darkest Eve]

If you've done all this and they're still getting in - someone or something in that house is inviting them. Either a person being used as a gateway, or a tool. You can only get rid of them if the controlling entities in the household truly want them gone.

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Bingo.

You have yet to say you have tried any of the advice given that you asked for.

If I were worried, fearful, and "at my wits end" I don't think I'd be griping at the people who are trying to help just because I don't like their answers and/or am too lazy to do the research to figure out how to follow up on their suggestions. I'd be out there doing something about these things that I claim to be fearful of, and the girlfriend I claim to be fearful for.

Good luck. Personally, I'm tired of wasting any time or effort on someone who refuses to listen.

[Graelwyn]

I would suggest that if she has a horrific past, that is connected to this. All that negative energy from this past, and the resulting issues, could easily be an attraction to negative entities etc. Did she dabble at all in the past? My ex had a similar issue, though not as severe, in that something had latched onto him when he experimented with telepathy and an ouija board at the age of 14 or 15. It was not pleasant, and it affected me as well while I was with him. Someone told me it was an elemental. Not a nature elemental...there is another type of elemental out there. Personally, to me, it seemed demonic. I was adamant he was just making things up to scare me in the beginning, but I experienced the terrible energy first hand. This thing was cloaked also, apparently (I had nightmares of some thing pulling my ex through a glass box at the time, quite horrific) and could create optical illusions, so to speak. In the end, it just...died off when I turned down my abilities. At the time I had just started exploring my abilities, and that seemed to interest whatever this was.

[Sequoia]

Wow. People give you decent advice covering both mundane and magical bases, and you throw a hissy fit? Saying you'll never return? Only to return and comment?

I'm beginning to wonder if someone isn't getting enough attention, and decided to come onto internet forums with a psychic sob story. :eyebrow:

If you actually have a problem, you've been given excellent advice. Normally I abhor the LBRP, but in your GF's supposed case, it might actually be helpful.

Getting upset and excited over this on YOUR part isn't going to help HER any, whether these are real "shadow people" or a twisting of her mind that you've become excited over and think you're experiencing too.

Try some different "banishing rituals", and have HER do them. Whether this is a figment of an overactive imagination, or an actual possession, nothing YOU do is going to help her overly much. She's going to have to pull out of this one herself. Salt circles, blessings, burning sage - all of these are good starters. Energy work doesn't require the belief in a divine... although in my not-so-humble opinion, the Divine helps.

***You also might want to advise her to lay off the drugs, natural or otherwise, until she has this whole mess sorted out. The fact that a psychoactive substance made her metaphysical problem worse suggests that it's probably not purely metaphysical. Experimenting with psychoactive substances isn't going to help her any.***

She doesn't believe in energy work and spirits, yet she believes in "shadow people" haunting/possessing her? Something's got to give here. If these are actual spirit beings giving her grief, she's going to have to acknowledge their existence. But given what you've said, that may be difficult. You can lead a horse to water...

[achmardi]

***You also might want to advise her to lay off the drugs, natural or otherwise, until she has this whole mess sorted out. The fact that a psychoactive substance made her metaphysical problem worse suggests that it's probably not purely metaphysical. Experimenting with psychoactive substances isn't going to help her any.***

That's what I was thinking. I'm a very logical and practical thinker, and look for a practical reason for occurrences first, in this case being, "She might have mental problems that could easily be fixed with an anti-psychotic."

But then I thought about how salvia is called "salvia divinorum", the Diviner's Sage, for a reason, often used in rituals to facilitate visions and attract the spirit world. It's very obvious, even to me, that these forms are not merely in her head, and can be described by others who do not know her history (and especially if she's been seeing them since she was a child).

I actually think it's very possible that this girl inadvertently activated the portion of her mind that accepts and even beckons the spirit world. Also, as another poster said, if banishings and sigils do not work to get rid of them, and since she has a bad past, a part of her (possibly and even probably subconsciously) doesn't want them to leave.

Because of what I'm guessing was abuse growing up, or whatever it was that could be considered a bad past, she may be self-destructive because of self-worth issues or the like, and if this is the way she harms herself, she is going to need psychological assistance before any amount of magic will ever work. The basis of magic is the will--and if your will TRULY isn't what is being performed, it will not work.

[Denikke]

I would definately agree with those who have said that her past has something to do with these beings.
I have dealt, minimally, with shadow creatures. Or at least one of them. He never did me any harm, caused any trouble, or anything of the like. But because I was younger, he scared me. I asked, begged and demanded that he leave me alone and nothing seemed to work for the longest time. I was frusterated and terrified by the time I finally came across something that helped.
I may also mention that during the time that this creature was around me, I was having horrific nightmares. I don't believe he caused them in anyway, now I believe he was more of a protector, but at the time.....
Anyways. On to what helped me. It was a simple chant that I found while browsing the internet one day. It's all about visualization and personal belief that it will work. Here's the basic rundown of it.

Take a candle. It's not necessary but I find it really helps, at least the first time, as a starting point. Light the candle and place it in front of you. You can sit in a chair at a table or on the floor, just as long as your comfortable.
Close your eyes and visualize. What you want to be seeing in your minds eye is a sphere of light. I visualize this as my own life force, as I feel this is the strongest thing against whatever I'm protecting against. For any who believe in elemental magic, this is a fire based ritual. So I feel that the *fire of life* is appropriate.
What you want to be seeing is a cleansing fire, a sphere of light around yourself. Basically, something that will *burn away* any negativity before it reaches you. The biggest thing to remember is that BELIEF is thing. You need to believe wholeheartedly that this sphere of light will protect you.
Now, the words aren't hugely important, at least I don't think so, but I find them comforting and good to use to just..cement everything together.
The words that I found, and that I use, are as follows:
Craft this spell in the fire
Craft it well, weave it higher
Craft it now of shining flame
None shall come to hurt or maim
None shall pass this fiery wall
None shall pass, no none at all.

It's a good reaffirmation when something frightens you, or you feel threatened in any way. I use this spell all the time when I wake up from a nightmare or even after watching a scary movie when I'm awake in the dark and afraid. A quick visualization and then I just repeat the words over and over until I feel better. You can use this whenever and where ever, and you can extend it to include your whole house if that's what you wish.

Even if this doesn't help you, perhaps it may help someone else. It's worked wonders for me and the few other people I know who have tried it. You may never get rid of the shadow creatures all together. That's a possibility you have to realize. But you can make things better and protect yourself as much as possible.
I wish you lots of luck with fixing your problem, but I would be very careful about household cleansings. You, yourself said that in the past it has made things worse. If the entities are connected with your gf, the cleansing will probably continue to make things worse. I would suggest something more personal and focus on the person instead of the space. Perhaps try personal wards (like a charm she can carry around) and a cleansing of her instead of the area. There are many different ways to do that, if you'd like some more info, I'll do what I can to scrounge some up, just send me a pm to let me know if your interested.

Many good wishes to you and your gf, and I hope you, and whomever else needs it, find some use out of the advice that's been given.

Denikke

[Infinite Grey]

LOL, interesting, coming from a Pagan forum I'm getting suggestions to see a psychiatrist. Yes, she's apparently schizo and apparently it's contagious since after we started dating I am seeing the shadow men too.

I'm sure if I read any of your post histories, I could make the same suggestion to all of you for what you have claimed to have seen and what you have believed in general.

I figured Pagans, being discriminated and disbelieved by mainstream religion and society themselves, would be more open minded. I was obviously wrong.

Thanks for all the help everyone, no need to respond further, I'm done here, pricks.

Disbelieved maybe - Discriminated against... well, perhaps my question holds a little more merit than I first thought; especially in light of your disproportionately sensitive response. Cheers :thumbsup:

[Phoenix Blue]

Wow. People give you decent advice covering both mundane and magical bases, and you throw a hissy fit? Saying you'll never return? Only to return and comment?

I'm beginning to wonder if someone isn't getting enough attention, and decided to come onto internet forums with a psychic sob story. :eyebrow:
That's called a flounce. ;) Hopefully someone's already passed this gem along to DPS.


Also, while we sleep, I believe this shadow being is possessing her. For instance, last night at about 5 am, she started to convulse and shake in bed, then turned to me, and said in a gutteral voice, "I AM GOING TO KILL YOU". I have seen these possessions often in her, it is easy for me to tell, because I can tell it is not her speaking by the psychotic look in her eyes and low, gutteral voice.
I'm going to add another possibility here: She's screwing with you. Intentionally.

[achmardi]

I'm going to add another possibility here: She's screwing with you. Intentionally.

I honestly hadn't considered that. Regardless, there are problems she needs to address that are non-spiritual, and the original poster doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that.

[Cat]

Well, the OP seems to have left the building, but I wanted to float an idea past the rest of you. I've never heard of these shadow people before, but in reading through everything it really sounded to me like the GF was unintentionally creating them. Does that sound plausible to those of you with experience in this area?

[Phoenix Blue]

Yes. :)

[Denikke]

definately sounds plausible to me. While it may not be the same thing, I believe that the entity I was dealing with was, at least in part, a manifestation that I had created. Sort of like my fears and anxieties taking on *physical* form. I've heard of many instances of this happening, some of them are considered *hauntings*. I believe the human psyche is a HUGELY powerful thing and can lend form to many hidden things.
This is exacty the reason why belief is so important in the ritual I recommended earlier.

*the below statement has no bearing on this case specifically, but in some similar occurances*

There are some people who believe they are sick. They show all the symptoms of any one, or a number of diseases, but there's nothing physically wrong with them. I'm not saying they're doing it for attention or they're lying, but they're sick because they BELIEVE that they are. People in cases like this can be given a placebo, told that it's the cure, and be cured of all these ailments. BUT if they're TOLD it's a placebo, it won't work because they can't BELIEVE that it will. They use belief and visualizations even in hospitals and such. For example, some of those fighting cancer are told to visualize the cancer being destroyed. Or to draw pictures of something fighting and defeating the cancer. From what I know and what I've heard, they have actually found that this increases recovery rates (although I may be wrong there, it does make sense).

Anyways, in general, yes, I believe that it's plausible to say that these shadow creatures are the creation of a tortured mind.

Denikke

[Cat]

While it may not be the same thing, I believe that the entity I was dealing with was, at least in part, a manifestation that I had created. Sort of like my fears and anxieties taking on *physical* form. I've heard of many instances of this happening, some of them are considered *hauntings*. I believe the human psyche is a HUGELY powerful thing and can lend form to many hidden things.

That's pretty much along the lines of what I was thinking, yeah.

[Jake_Reign]

Hey guys seriously this really isn’t cool to be blasting this guy like this. Say he goes to a psychiatrist and tells them everything what do you think is going to happen? They will throw them both in a nut house in an instant. Wouldn’t the same be said for ANYONE on this board? Remember in modern society magick does not exist; there are no evil spirits and anyone who believes differently is obviously crazy. How many of you remember past lives like me? We are crazy, you cant remember a past life because the modern egotistical Christian says so.

Is anyone really that upset that he got frustrated and said something mean? I know I probably would have said a whole lot worse if it was insinuated that I was insane when asking for help. Since he just stated he hasn’t been sleeping very well lets cut the guy a break and do what we can here. After all isn’t that what this board is about?

As for the problem at hand I would suggest a full cleansing. You need at least 4 people (including yourself) to represent the elements. Use a smudge stick for fire, blessed salt water (use sea salt, you can find it at any grocery store) for earth and water and a bell or chime of some kind for wind. Everyone walk in a line around ALL corners of the house (even back yard, attic, basement everything that’s on your property) wave the smudge stick splash the holy water and ring the bell. Pay extra (and I do mean EXTRA) attention to the windows and doorways. At the windows and doorways use the water and draw a pentacle this is to keep them out (make sure they are out first). After that put complete shields around your home and leave nothing unprotected. If you leave a hole they will find it.

Next you need to cleanse yourselves (actually you may wanna do this first). Let me know if you need instructions on how to do this.

As for the cause I can’t really tell you why this has happened since I don’t know you or your history. Stay away from Ouija boards, and any kind of summoning in your home. If you wanna be crazy and summon things don’t do it in your house. I would also suggest not doing any intense magick in your house for at least a year. Remember magick is like a beacon to the baddies lurking around. Don’t give them a reason to come check you out.

One last thing is that when you do everything you have to believe it’s going to work. If you dont then it wont. You should know that already though.

Let me know if you need any more help,

Cory
AKA Jake Reign
"This house...is clear... Haha couldn’t resist"

[Lunacie]

Well, the OP seems to have left the building, but I wanted to float an idea past the rest of you. I've never heard of these shadow people before, but in reading through everything it really sounded to me like the GF was unintentionally creating them. Does that sound plausible to those of you with experience in this area?

That's one possibility, somewhat like causing poltergeist activity unintentionally. However, I don't think that would account for all the reports of shadow activity. Check any ghost hunting book or website and you'll see that they're really pretty common.

[BlackLili]

/sniffs

Mmm...


/leans back on haunches and lets go a howl

I love the smell of Troll tracks in the morning. :devil:

[achmardi]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Hey guys seriously this really isn’t cool to be blasting this guy like this. Say he goes to a psychiatrist and tells them everything what do you think is going to happen? They will throw them both in a nut house in an instant. Wouldn’t the same be said for ANYONE on this board? Remember in modern society magick does not exist; there are no evil spirits and anyone who believes differently is obviously crazy. How many of you remember past lives like me? We are crazy, you cant remember a past life because the modern egotistical Christian says so.

I wasn't suggesting at all that she go to a psychiatrist and tell them everything that's happening. But I think it's very possible that problems that can't be helped by magic (or rather, are too strong to be helped entirely with it) need to be addressed before cleansings and such will work. The OP has mentioned that they performed many cleansings, and have worked with many different mediums, so they obviously aren't helping, and another route might need to be taken. Magic isn't always the answer to everything.

[Cat]

Interesting. Thanks, Lunacie, I may just do that.

[Denikke]

As for the cause I can’t really tell you why this has happened since I don’t know you or your history. Stay away from Ouija boards, and any kind of summoning in your home. If you wanna be crazy and summon things don’t do it in your house. I would also suggest not doing any intense magick in your house for at least a year. Remember magick is like a beacon to the baddies lurking around. Don’t give them a reason to come check you out.

One last thing is that when you do everything you have to believe it’s going to work. If you dont then it wont. You should know that already though.

Let me know if you need any more help,

Cory
AKA Jake Reign
"This house...is clear... Haha couldn’t resist"


I forgot to mention this in my posts. You mentioned doing EVPs. STOP!!! It's basically the same thing as using a ouija boards. You are INVITING entities, good AND bad, into your personal space and they can definately become...attached, to a person, place, or thing. This may have contributed to making things worse. Especially if someone already has negative entities around them, like attracts like.

***For ANYONE reading this. Be CAREFUL when communicating with spirits in ANY way. Do your research, KNOW what you're getting into. And if at ALL possible, work, at least for a while, with someone who's experienced and KNOWLEDGABLE in this sort of thing. Just because someone's *done it before*, doesn't mean they actually know what they're talking about. I can go and throw 2 dogs together and have them breed, but that doesn't mean I'm an experienced breeder. The same logic applies here.***

[Æon Flux]

LOL, interesting, coming from a Pagan forum I'm getting suggestions to see a psychiatrist. Yes, she's apparently schizo and apparently it's contagious since after we started dating I am seeing the shadow men too.

It was a simple suggestion. And yes, this is a pagan forum, and yes I'm a Pagan, but that does not mean I don't believe in psychology and such.
And I'm not saying that it's contagious... but it's easy to let your imagination get the better of you sometimes, especially during the night time, unless you're both seeing these during the daytime as well...


I'm sure if I read any of your post histories, I could make the same suggestion to all of you for what you have claimed to have seen and what you have believed in general. Hey, I'm in therapy already. Which is why I always try to suggest seeing a doctor of some kind before one goes all into magical explinations and solutions. If there was an underlying phsychological problem magic might just make it worse.


I figured Pagans, being discriminated and disbelieved by mainstream religion and society themselves, would be more open minded. I was obviously wrong. I'm open minded, but that doesn't mean I'm careless.


Thanks for all the help everyone, no need to respond further, I'm done here, pricks. You're wellcome.

[Elemental]

Advice on Possession. Well where can i start, I was possessed for about 3 months of my life at one point. After it (he) left me I've spent the last 12 months of my life trying to rebuild my life to it's former glory, sadly this ailment was not solved with western medicine (psychiatry) rather a white healer.

First thing I recommend is be mindful of sexual activity, touch is one way the spirit can jump from person to person, but sexual activity it's actually feeding off both your sexual energy. The more sex you have the stronger it gets.

Second, live the cleanest life you can, no drugs alcohol nothing, eat well and exercise. Drugs will blow a hole in your aura's allowing easy manipulation and access. Strengthen your aura by eating healthy foods.

Meditation is good but also has its problems, meditation is where i discovered that i was actually possessed. Whenever i visualized my aura i would see a blue/gray "bulb" attached to my right side, i tried to remove it but whenever i did the "thing" attached to me would resist. My head would lop about and i'd start screaming and follying about just like in those excorsim tapes on youtube. But mentally you need to STAY POSATIVE try to extinguish all negative thought, fear and such, all of that.

Lastly, stay regulrarly in contact with pyshicaltric professionals but also visit a healer or priest that can regulrarly peform cleansings and excorsisms. With a strong aura and a few cleansings it should leave you.

[Phoenix Blue]

Uh huh. :wtf: